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J Man
01-29-2015, 08:56 PM
23andme has released a new tool that reports peoples' results for certain genes that seem to be associated with blonde hair. First a description of these results.

Blond Hair and Your Genes
Table 1: Blond Hair in 23andMe Customers
Genetic Result Customers Reporting Blond Hair (N=73,628)
5-6 variants 52.9%
3-4 variants 28.2%
1-2 variants 10.4%
0 variants 0.5%
There are two types of melanin: a brown-black form known as eumelanin and a yellow-red form known as pheomelanin. The amount of eumelanin and pheomelanin you produce has important consequences on the way you look. In most people, eumelanin levels dominate, leading to variation in brown-black pigmentation. People with higher levels of eumelanin have darker hair and those with lower levels of eumelanin have lighter hair that may be considered blond. A small subset of the world's population has high levels of pheomelanin, leading to red hair and light skin color. One marker (rs12821256) that affects pigmentation is near a gene called KITLG. The KITLG gene is believed to affect pigmentation by controlling the movement, survival, and growth of melanin-producing cells called melanocytes. A second marker (rs1667394) we report on is located near the OCA2 gene, which codes for a protein located in melanocytes.

Not everyone with these variants reports having blond hair. Table 1 shows the percentage of 23andMe customers that report having blond hair, broken down by their genetic result.

About twenty percent of 23andMe customers report having blond hair, though this number varies greatly based on ethnic background. Blond hair is most common in Northern European populations, with hair color going from light to dark as you move from Northern to Southern Europe. Blond hair is also occasionally found in non-European populations, but the genetics underlying blond hair in such groups is unique. For instance, roughly five to ten percent of Solomon Islanders have blond hair that is caused by a single genetic variant in a gene called TYRP1.


And here are my own results below. I have dark brown hair but I was blonde as a small child. I seem to have some blonde hair genes but I must also have dark hair genes that dominate the blonde ones?

23andMe Name Other Name(s) DNA Change Genotype Result
rs12896399 G to T GT Has 3-4 variants associated with blond hair in people with European ancestry. Approximately 28% of 23andMe customers with this result report having blond hair.
rs1667394 C to T CT
rs12821256 T to C CT

Stephen1986
01-29-2015, 09:12 PM
Both my brother and myself have the same variant (rs1667394 TT). Most of our family are dark haired - there is at least red headed relative a few generations back on my mother's side - and blonde hair is pretty much restricted only to children, for example my four month old nephew is blond as his father (my sister is the baby's mother) was as a child, but his father has medium brown hair. My siblings were born with white blonde hair that darkened to various shades of dark or medium brown whilst my hair was black when I was born and has lightened to dark brown. My mother had black hair and my father used to have dark brown hair that become more grey.

DMXX
01-29-2015, 09:20 PM
I have a single G->T base pair mutation at rs12896399, putting me in the 10% chance bracket.

Head hair is very dark brown (chestnut as child, lightens slightly in summer). Beard hair is mostly black, but something like 10-15% is either blonde or auburn/red (hard to tell). So the single mutation makes sense; there's some subtle blondism, but the overall phenotype is dark brown-black hair.

There's also a new red hair report if anyone's interested, which appears to be completely focused on MC1R.

jesus
01-29-2015, 09:35 PM
My hair color is dark brown, but it was lighter when I was younger. My beard has some Blonde and Red hair.

http://i.imgur.com/QYqV8UK.png

bored
01-29-2015, 10:08 PM
28 % chance of having blonde hair

http://i.imgur.com/ER8uLWY.png

bored
01-29-2015, 10:15 PM
I had brown hair as a kid but now it's pretty much black.

Krefter
01-29-2015, 10:18 PM
My hair color is dark brown, but it was lighter when I was younger. My beard has some Blonde and Red hair.

http://i.imgur.com/QYqV8UK.png

You being from west Asia, confirms blonde hair there is caused(For at least some) by the same markers as in Europe. I know you don't have blonde hair, but you have ancestors who did(carrier, via rs12821256 C allele). I don't know of any academic studies which studied blonde hair in west Asia, so I was always skeptical whether or not it was from the same source.

bored
01-29-2015, 10:20 PM
You being from west Asia, confirms blonde hair there is caused(For at least some) by the same markers as in Europe. I know you don't have blonde hair, but you have ancestors who did(carrier, via rs12821256 C allele). I don't know of any academic studies which studied blonde hair in west Asia, so I was always skeptical whether or not it was from the same source.

The daughter of our family friends is South Asian and has blonde hair. I'm from Northwest India.

Krefter
01-29-2015, 10:21 PM
I have a single G->T base pair mutation at rs12896399, putting me in the 10% chance bracket.

Head hair is very dark brown (chestnut as child, lightens slightly in summer). Beard hair is mostly black, but something like 10-15% is either blonde or auburn/red (hard to tell). So the single mutation makes sense; there's some subtle blondism, but the overall phenotype is dark brown-black hair.

There's also a new red hair report if anyone's interested, which appears to be completely focused on MC1R.

How do you get results from these reports?

icebreaker
01-29-2015, 10:38 PM
http://i.imgur.com/HDZl2EF.jpg

There are some blonde people in our family.. I'm not one of them though.

AJL
01-29-2015, 11:03 PM
28% chance. My grandfather had blond hair, as have various family members. When I was young my hair was quite light, but not really blond.

DMXX
01-29-2015, 11:30 PM
Krefter, go into the report and look for a link near the middle of the page from memory which mentions viewing your genotype for that trait.

everest59
01-29-2015, 11:47 PM
10% probability. GT at rs12896399, and CT at rs1667394. I have black hair. Although, I had brown hair as a kid. My armpit hair is still brown if that counts...

Longbowman
01-30-2015, 12:08 AM
10%. I suppose that's actually 10.4%. Black hair, but blonde/red beard. Brothers have lighter hair than I do too.

J Man
01-30-2015, 12:29 AM
I have a single G->T base pair mutation at rs12896399, putting me in the 10% chance bracket.

Head hair is very dark brown (chestnut as child, lightens slightly in summer). Beard hair is mostly black, but something like 10-15% is either blonde or auburn/red (hard to tell). So the single mutation makes sense; there's some subtle blondism, but the overall phenotype is dark brown-black hair.

There's also a new red hair report if anyone's interested, which appears to be completely focused on MC1R.

I see that when it comes to Europeans and probably West Eurasians in general one of the main genes that is related to blonde hair is the KITLG gene represented here by the rs12821256 SNP. I have CT at rs12821256 and so does my mother who I appear to have inherited my C allele from as my father is TT. So C is the allele here that is associated with blonde hair when it comes to the KITLG gene. So since I am CT at rs12821256 even though I have dark brown hair that means that genetically I carry one copy of the main blonde hair mutation associated with Europeans/West Eurasians correct?

Krefter
01-30-2015, 01:07 AM
Krefter, go into the report and look for a link near the middle of the page from memory which mentions viewing your genotype for that trait.

What report are you talking about?

leonardo
01-30-2015, 01:21 AM
GG at rs12896399 and and TT at rs1667394. I had medium to dark brown hair when I was younger. My parents both had blonde hair in their early years, then both turned dark. My one brother had a hair color like mine. The other had what I call a "dirty blonde" look.

surbakhunWeesste
01-30-2015, 03:05 AM
3643
<1% chance of red hair. I am a natural red head!!!

Krefter
01-30-2015, 03:24 AM
3643
<1% chance of red hair. I am a natural red head!!!

The markers in the link below are associated with red hair. I'm sure you have at least one of them.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3593&d=1422218186

rms2 is thinking about making a red hair variants project at FTDNA. You should join when he does.

J Man
01-30-2015, 03:47 AM
What report are you talking about?

I got an email about it with a link to the report.

Sapporo
01-30-2015, 04:50 AM
rs12896399 G to T GG
rs1667394 C to T TT
rs12821256 T to C TT

Has 1-2 variants associated with blond hair in people with European ancestry. Approximately 10% of 23andMe customers with this result report having blond hair.

s1805007 R151C C to T CC
rs1805008 R160W C to T CC
i3002507 D294H G to C GG

Does not have any of the variants in the MC1R gene tested by 23andMe. Less than 1% of 23andMe customers with this result report having red hair.

kenji.aryan
01-30-2015, 05:07 AM
Surprisingly i have No variant considering i have red hair on my beard and my sister born with light brown hair which is now brown in colour and have many relatives from father side of family with brown hair (all shades) and nephew with dirty blonde hair which is getting darker with age.

Krefter
01-30-2015, 05:09 AM
Surprisingly i have No variant considering i have red hair on my beard and my sister born with light brown hair which is now brown in colour and have many relatives from father side of family with brown hair (all shades) and nephew with dirty blonde hair which is getting darker with age.

None of those markers listed for blonde hair are very associated with red hair. You might have one of these red hair variants.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3593&d=1422218186

There's light-brown to blonde hair and a lot of red hair in my family, and I have none of those variants. Hirisplex is a much better hair color predictor, which will probably show your family does have some allele combinations associated with brown and blonde hair, which are not the same as the red hair ones.

kenji.aryan
01-30-2015, 05:11 AM
None of those markers listed for blonde hair are very associated with red hair. You might have one of these red hair variants.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3593&d=1422218186

I don't have that one either.

Krefter
01-30-2015, 05:11 AM
I don't have that one either.

None of them, there are 8? That's interesting. Are you sure you have red hair in your beard?

kenji.aryan
01-30-2015, 05:15 AM
None of them, there are 8? That's interesting. Are you sure you have red hair in your beard?

I mean on 23andme its saying " Does not have any of the variants in the MC1R gene" and yes i'm sure.



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Krefter
01-30-2015, 05:18 AM
I mean on 23andme its saying " Does not have any of the variants in the MC1R gene."

23andme has the three main ones. That's very surprising. You might have one of the other 5.

kenji.aryan
01-30-2015, 05:25 AM
23andme has the three main ones. That's very surprising. You might have one of the other 5.

maybe......

surbakhunWeesste
01-30-2015, 05:57 AM
The markers in the link below are associated with red hair. I'm sure you have at least one of them.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3593&d=1422218186

rms2 is thinking about making a red hair variants project at FTDNA. You should join when he does.

thanks for the link and yes I do have those variants :)

AlmostFamous
01-30-2015, 07:18 AM
http://i.imgur.com/Bgw788R.png


I'm about 60%sa/40%euro.

Sapporo
01-30-2015, 07:46 AM
None of those markers listed for blonde hair are very associated with red hair. You might have one of these red hair variants.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3593&d=1422218186

There's light-brown to blonde hair and a lot of red hair in my family, and I have none of those variants. Hirisplex is a much better hair color predictor, which will probably show your family does have some allele combinations associated with brown and blonde hair, which are not the same as the red hair ones.

Unless, I'm reading my results wrong, I have two of those ?


s1805007 R151C C to T CC
rs1805008 R160W C to T CC
i3002507 D294H G to C GG

R160W & R151c?

I occasionally get random ginger hair in my beard if I grow it out but I think that is due to exposure to sunlight.

Salkin
01-30-2015, 08:13 AM
I was blonde as a kid, but darkened to about medium brown in my teens.

rs12896399 GG
rs1667394 TT
rs12821256 TT

As for red-hair variants, BritainsDNA says I have Arg163Gln, heterozygous.

kenji.aryan
01-30-2015, 09:00 AM
........................

surbakhunWeesste
01-30-2015, 09:10 AM
Unless, I'm reading my results wrong, I have two of those ?


s1805007 R151C C to T CC
rs1805008 R160W C to T CC
i3002507 D294H G to C GG

R160W & R151c?

I occasionally get random ginger hair in my beard if I grow it out but I think that is due to exposure to sunlight.


You test negative for the risk alleles on those SNPs.

Tolan
01-30-2015, 09:10 AM
Blond Hair:
rs12896399 G to T GG
rs1667394 C to T CT
rs12821256 T to C CT
Has 2 variants associated with blond hair in people with European ancestry. Approximately 10% of 23andMe customers with this result report having blond hair.

Red Hair:
rs1805007 R151C C to T CT
rs1805008 R160W C to T CC
i3002507 D294H G to C GG
Has one variant in the MC1R gene associated with red hair. People with this result are known as carriers and do not typically have red hair, but may have children with red hair if their partner is also a carrier. Only 5% of 23andMe customers with this result report having red hair.
Variants detected: R151C

I was blond when I was a little boy, brown now, (and maybe gray/white soon!:fear: )

kenji.aryan
01-30-2015, 09:20 AM
Is there any chances you inherit these variants entirely from one parent?

Sapporo
01-30-2015, 09:39 AM
You test negative for the risk alleles on those SNPs.

I see. Thought something didn't make sense.

surbakhunWeesste
01-30-2015, 10:10 AM
Is there any chances you inherit these variants entirely from one parent?

I don't think so!!!
However;
Snips are genetic variation; that means it can get coded for 'T' instead of 'C' even when the variation is not present in either parent.

kenji.aryan
01-30-2015, 10:19 AM
I don't think so!!!
However;
Snips are genetic variation; that means it can get coded for 'T' instead of 'C' even when the variation is not present in either parent.

So does it mean it is not very reliable or That how genetics work?

and what if variation is present in both parents but because of snipping it get coded for 'C' instead of 'T'.

surbakhunWeesste
01-30-2015, 10:30 AM
So does it mean it is not very reliable or That how genetics work?

and what if variation is present in both parents but because of snipping it get coded for 'C' instead of 'T'.

Adenine(A)- Thymine(T)
Guanine(G)- Cytosine(C)
^ thats the basic rule of base pairing. SNP is a particular kind of mutation SNP(Single nucleotide variation). Translocation,duplication, deletion of these nucleobases... can occur.

Mutation is the answer to your question :) . Then, once new alleles arise, meiosis and sexual reproduction combine different alleles to increase genetic variation.

DMXX
01-30-2015, 10:41 AM
What report are you talking about?

If you log in to your 23andMe account, click on the Traits section, go to the relevant hair colour link (flashing "New" icon next to it, 23andMe calls these reports, this isn't my terminology), then go to the middle of the generated page, you'll see another link inviting you to look at your specific genotype for the SNPs they're presenting.

kenji.aryan
01-30-2015, 11:02 AM
The markers in the link below are associated with red hair. I'm sure you have at least one of them.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3593&d=1422218186

rms2 is thinking about making a red hair variants project at FTDNA. You should join when he does.

what we need to be positive for red hair in above mentioned link.

exp: for rs1805008 risk allele T(C>T)

so does it mean we need T to be positive?

Krefter
01-30-2015, 11:04 AM
what we need to be positive for red hair in above mentioned link.

exp: for rs1805008 risk allele T(C>T)

so does it mean we need T to be positive?

Yes, If you have the alleles listed next to SNPs, in those SNPs, you have a red hair variant.

kenji.aryan
01-30-2015, 11:08 AM
............................

kenji.aryan
01-30-2015, 11:08 AM
Yes, If you have the alleles listed next to SNPs, in those SNPs, you have a red hair variant.

Then, I'm only positive for rs2228479 AG.

DMXX
01-30-2015, 11:11 AM
I don't carry any of those risk alleles for red hair. Quite surprised. When I'm not jetsetting for a while and growing my beard back out, I'll get a reasonable definition photo to share.

Humanist
01-30-2015, 12:52 PM
23andme has released a new tool that reports peoples' results for certain genes that seem to be associated with blonde hair. First a description of these results.

Blond Hair and Your Genes
Table 1: Blond Hair in 23andMe Customers
Genetic Result Customers Reporting Blond Hair (N=73,628)
5-6 variants 52.9%
3-4 variants 28.2%
1-2 variants 10.4%
0 variants 0.5%

I am in the 1-2 variants (10.4%) category. I had blond hair as a child. I have light brown hair as an adult, along with blond eyebrows and mixed blond/brown facial hair.

My grandmother is in the 3-4 variants (28.2%) category. She has black hair.

Roaring
01-30-2015, 01:03 PM
Guys, i bought my kit too late, can somebody tell me, how much "variants" do i have?

rs12896399 TT
rs1667394 CT
rs12821256 TT

leonardo
01-30-2015, 02:59 PM
If you log in to your 23andMe account, click on the Traits section, go to the relevant hair colour link (flashing "New" icon next to it, 23andMe calls these reports, this isn't my terminology), then go to the middle of the generated page, you'll see another link inviting you to look at your specific genotype for the SNPs they're presenting.

Thanks for this update DMXX.According to this tool, I have a 10% chance of having blond hair and less than 1% for red hair. I have German ancestry on my mother's side, but it seems to be southern German. My father's side appears to have Polish ancestry from Kashubia, along with some German influence. So, brown is probably more likely under these conditions than blonde hair.

jesus
01-30-2015, 05:42 PM
You being from west Asia, confirms blonde hair there is caused(For at least some) by the same markers as in Europe. I know you don't have blonde hair, but you have ancestors who did(carrier, via rs12821256 C allele). I don't know of any academic studies which studied blonde hair in west Asia, so I was always skeptical whether or not it was from the same source.

All West asians/South Asians who posted here and in an another forum are Rs12821256 TT. It seems like it's most common in Central europeans and it's completely absent among non West Eurasians (Like the Japanese, Chinese and Nigerians).
CEU = Central European
GIH = Gujarati indians
TSI = Tuscan Italian
MEX = Mexican
ASW = African American Southwest (who most likely have some european ancestry)
(C;T) Green
(T;T) Blue
http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=bhs&chd=t:0.9,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0, 0.0,0.1|27.4,0.0,0.0,0.0,1.8,0.0,0.0,4.0,0.0,3.4,0 .0,7.8,4.9333333333333|71.7,100.0,100.0,100.0,98.2 ,100.0,0.0,96.0,0.0,96.6,0.0,92.2,94.966666666667&chs=275x228&chbh=8,5&chxl=0:|1:|AVG|TSI|MKK|MEX|LWK|GIH|CHD|CHB|ASW|YRI |JPT|HCB|CEU||&chxt=x,y&chco=CD853F,30FF30,0000FF,FF00FF&chls=1,1,0|1,1,0|1,1,0|1,1,0

http://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Rs12821256

kenji.aryan
01-31-2015, 02:16 AM
28 % chance of having blonde hair

http://i.imgur.com/ER8uLWY.png

You scored very high in blonde hair variant among all south asians and thats interesing :) .

mandy
02-02-2015, 05:12 AM
Hi everyone, first time poster here. I was wondering if anyone might have insight about my blond hair gene results:

23andMe Name Other Name(s) DNA Change Genotype Result
rs12896399 G to T GG Has 1-2 variants associated with blond hair in people with European ancestry. Approximately 10% of 23andMe customers with this result report having blond hair.
rs1667394 C to T CT
rs12821256 T to C TT

The thing is, I'm 99.9% East Asian and 0.1% unassigned (which I'd assume is probably also East Asian). My hair is a brown to dark brown with reddish highlights. I do not have the red hair (MC1R) variant. Does anyone know about the origins of the variant at rs1667394? At least in my case, I would think it very likely doesn't have a European origin. Is it simply a variant that people all over the world can possess, but it only manifests itself as blond hair in Europeans (although it can cause lighter-than-normal hair in non-Europeans)?

Thank you!

Tolan
02-02-2015, 06:43 AM
Hi everyone, first time poster here. I was wondering if anyone might have insight about my blond hair gene results:

23andMe Name Other Name(s) DNA Change Genotype Result
rs12896399 G to T GG Has 1-2 variants associated with blond hair in people with European ancestry. Approximately 10% of 23andMe customers with this result report having blond hair.
rs1667394 C to T CT
rs12821256 T to C TT

The thing is, I'm 99.9% East Asian and 0.1% unassigned (which I'd assume is probably also East Asian). My hair is a brown to dark brown with reddish highlights. I do not have the red hair (MC1R) variant. Does anyone know about the origins of the variant at rs1667394? At least in my case, I would think it very likely doesn't have a European origin. Is it simply a variant that people all over the world can possess, but it only manifests itself as blond hair in Europeans (although it can cause lighter-than-normal hair in non-Europeans)?

Thank you!

Hi!
See here: http://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Rs1667394

Yes, it is a variant can have all the peoples of the planet.
We must have several variants associated to be blond ...

Hanna
02-03-2015, 01:59 PM
rs12896399 G to T GG
rs1667394 C to T CT
rs12821256 T to C TT

Has 1-2 variants associated with blond hair in people with European ancestry.
Approximately 10% of 23andMe customers with this result report having blond hair

Isidro
02-03-2015, 02:25 PM
Thanks for posting.
My results show 1-2 variants 10% chance. Always had pretty much dark hair.
Gene Snp Alleles
SLC24A4 rs12896399 (https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs12896399) GG
HERC2 rs1667394 (https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs1667394) CT
KITLG rs12821256 (https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs12821256) TT

Anglecynn
02-03-2015, 02:32 PM
All of my family have 1-2 variants (10%) with my grandfather having 3-4 variants (28%). Normally we are blond in childhood and then darken to medium-dark brown in late childhood or adolescence.

Krefter
02-03-2015, 09:48 PM
All of my family have 1-2 variants (10%) with my grandfather having 3-4 variants (28%). Normally we are blond in childhood and then darken to medium-dark brown in late childhood or adolescence.

Same with my family. It doesn't appear we have many markers associated with blonde hair, but most are blonde in childhood and become dark later in life.

DMXX
02-20-2015, 07:13 PM
I have a single G->T base pair mutation at rs12896399, putting me in the 10% chance bracket.
.

Decided to revisit my result and see what the distribution pattern is from S Walsh's DNA Phenotyping: The prediction of human pigmentation traits from genetic data.

Was expecting to see the T risk variant had a reasonable distribution in the Near-East (<25%)... Instead, it seems to peak in Europe, then the North Caucasus, with a bigger presence in South-Central Asia and among the Uyghurs than any of the Near-Eastern groups. Hard to tell from the chart unless you zoom in, but the only homozygous (TT) were picked up in the North Caucasus and South-Central Asia. Looks pretty "Indo-European" to me in terms of distribution.

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SwampThing27
02-20-2015, 08:28 PM
I have the same results as the original poster. Blonde as a young child but dark brown now.

Pfeifer
02-21-2015, 04:29 PM
One doubt: I recently purchased my kit, so I cannot see these results for blond hair...only people who bought it before November 2013 can see it?

Roaring
02-21-2015, 09:13 PM
One doubt: I recently purchased my kit, so I cannot see these results for blond hair...only people who bought it before November 2013 can see it?

I bought it in spring of 2014 so there another reason propably

Pfeifer
02-23-2015, 03:52 AM
I bought it in spring of 2014 so there another reason propably

I can only see the Mandel family results...do u have any idea whats going on?

giovanni carli
03-05-2015, 04:23 PM
rs12821256 C or T TT
rs1667394 C or T CT
rs12821256 C or T TT

John Doe
03-05-2015, 04:44 PM
Ethnicity: Ashkenazi Jewish

rs12896399-GG
rs1667394-TT
rs12821256-TT

Had blonde hair until around the age of 3, then dark blonde hair until around 8, light brown ever since with some blonde at the roots.
Father had dark blonde hair, don't know what he had as a kid, mother has dark brown hair.

I don't seem to have access to these reports, can anyone tell me what are my variants according to my SNPs?

Mellow
04-19-2015, 09:26 AM
3-4 variants 28.2%

VelvetNono
02-12-2016, 03:43 AM
My results:

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12743812_1237847649576921_9174034021070719579_n.jp g?oh=c8d9d4c5ea871a8af7d9e305a0539830&oe=573718E8

drobbah
02-12-2016, 05:03 AM
I got 10.4% along with another Somali

rs12896399-GT
rs1667394 -CC
rs12821256-TT

Claymore2
04-03-2016, 03:38 AM
399 - GG, 394 - TT, 256 - TT .. Sorry for the shorter hand, iPad is old & worst junk box. I have 10.4 percent of blonde hair; 1-2 variants.

My hair was white at birth, like dad whose hair is now black. My hair is now, as an adult, sandy blonde to light blonde that gets paler obviously with the sun. Blonde hair is very uncommon in my family, as is curly hair - I have both. Hangs in ringlets when wet. Most of my relatives are red haired with light wavy texture to their hair, others are either brunette or black haired and straight as a pin as the saying goes.

WilliamAllan
04-04-2016, 02:25 PM
rs12896399 G to T TT
rs1667394 C to T TT
rs12821256 T to C CT

"Has 5 or more variants associated with blond hair in people with European ancestry. Approximately 53% of 23andMe customers with this result report having blond hair."

I was quite blond as a youngster, darkening to a dark blond/light brown by my early 20s. Strangely enough, as I've gotten older (almost 46 now) my hair has actually gotten lighter again. Some of it is turning silvery with age which makes it look lighter but my blonds have gotten more pronounced again for some reason.

My hair readily lightens up in the sun too. I spend a significant amount of time outside (work/play) and the more that I do, the lighter my hair gets.

J Man
03-03-2018, 05:29 PM
I don't think so!!!
However;
Snips are genetic variation; that means it can get coded for 'T' instead of 'C' even when the variation is not present in either parent.

You mean a mutation in the child that neither of the parents has?

geebee
03-03-2018, 07:49 PM
My hair color -- before it started turning white -- was so dark brown as to almost be considered black. Yet 23andMe's prediction is for "lighter" color. Lighter than what?

Actually, of the five categories -- light blond, dark blond, light brown, brown, dark brown, and black -- the largest percentage (43.96%) is for dark brown. Only when you sum all the colors lighter than dark brown do you end up with "lighter" hair. Even then, you only get 53.91% for light brown or lighter, versus 46.09% for dark brown or black. That isn't really that far from being close to an even split.

Here's what's really funny, though. My father's hair was always darker than mine. No one would use "almost" with his hair; they'd just say black. But 23andMe also predicts "lighter" hair, with only 37% odds of dark brown and 1% odds of black. Well, I guess someone has to be in the 1%.

Batroun
03-04-2018, 04:07 PM
I had very light blonde hair till I was about 5 or 6. Then it gradually turned into a dark brown. Where can i find the variants on the 23andMe light or dark hair section?

davit
01-03-2021, 12:42 AM
Do we know or have any idea where the derived variants of these SNPs occurred?

pmokeefe
01-03-2021, 02:36 AM
I had very light blonde hair till I was about 5 or 6. Then it gradually turned into a dark brown. Where can i find the variants on the 23andMe light or dark hair section?
If you have purchased the Health Upgrade, it's under the Health&Traits tab at the top, then select Traits in the drop-down menu.
If you did not purchase the Health Upgrade it's under Ancestry&Traits.

FionnSneachta
01-03-2021, 07:45 PM
My breakdown is 38% chance of light brown hair, 35% chance of dark brown hair, 22% chance of dark blond hair, 4% chance of light blond hair and 1% chance of black hair.
When I go into my report, it says the combination of your genetics and other factors make you more likely to have lighter hair. I suppose that this makes sense if light brown hair is included in the lighter category.

I briefly had blonde hair when I was a toddler. Now I have brown hair but do still have some golden strands that are noticeable when caught in the sunlight. I remember comparing my hair to hair that had been dyed in a pharmacy before. My hair was identical to that brand's dye product called dark golden brown hair (I made sure to remember the name in case I ever needed it in the future). My hair would be something like this:
https://marronspharmacy.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/garnier-4.3-2.png

lana6765
01-03-2021, 08:46 PM
My breakdown is 38% chance of light brown hair, 35% chance of dark brown hair, 22% chance of dark blond hair, 4% chance of light blond hair and 1% chance of black hair.
When I go into my report, it says the combination of your genetics and other factors make you more likely to have lighter hair. I suppose that this makes sense if light brown hair is included in the lighter category.

I briefly had blonde hair when I was a toddler. Now I have brown hair but do still have some golden strands that are noticeable when caught in the sunlight. I remember comparing my hair to hair that had been dyed in a pharmacy before. My hair was identical to that brand's dye product called dark golden brown hair (I made sure to remember the name in case I ever needed it in the future). My hair would be something like this:
https://marronspharmacy.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/garnier-4.3-2.png

This sounds very like my natural hair colour.

Here are my results:

4% have light blond hair.

21% have dark blond hair.

37% have light brown hair.

37% have dark brown hair.

1% have black hair.

95% do not have red hair.

5% have red hair.

FionnSneachta
01-03-2021, 10:09 PM
This sounds very like my natural hair colour.

Here are my results:

4% have light blond hair.

21% have dark blond hair.

37% have light brown hair.

37% have dark brown hair.

1% have black hair.

95% do not have red hair.

5% have red hair.

Regarding red hair, I have a 99% chance that I do not have red hair and a 1% chance that I have red hair,

lana6765
01-03-2021, 10:32 PM
Regarding red hair, I have a 99% chance that I do not have red hair and a 1% chance that I have red hair,

Maybe I can attribute the 5% to my grandad who had red hair! My cousins also have red hair. :)

I'd be intrigued to find out if I have a red haired gene but it's getting dominated by a brown haired gene.

cvolt
01-03-2021, 10:38 PM
I was born with a lot of white hair and now I have medium blonde hair that gets light blonde in the summer.. on 23andme it says I have 27% chance of dark blonde and 5% chance of light blonde.

CyrylBojarski
01-03-2021, 10:41 PM
Is it possible to have 87,5% of ancestors with blue eyes and have chance 1% to have light eyes?

1% black hair, my 2 grandparents had this color


Light or Dark Hair
Cyryl, your genetics predict

40%
chance of dark brown hair

36%
chance of light brown hair

19%
chance of dark blond hair

4%
chance of light blond hair

1%
chance of black hair

FionnSneachta
01-03-2021, 10:49 PM
Maybe I can attribute the 5% to my grandad who had red hair! My cousins also have red hair. :)

I'd be intrigued to find out if I have a red haired gene but it's getting dominated by a brown haired gene.

My paternal grandfather actually had red hair too. My uncle and two of his children have red hair. None of my other cousins, aunts or uncles have red hair though. Back to my grandparents' generation, red hair was only among my paternal grandfather's siblings.

pmokeefe
01-03-2021, 10:51 PM
Is it possible to have 87,5% of ancestors with blue eyes and have chance 1% to have light eyes?


"Eye color is not an example of a simple genetic trait, and blue eyes are not determined by a recessive allele at one gene. Instead, eye color is determined by variation at several different genes and the interactions between them, and this makes it possible for two blue-eyed parents to have brown-eyed children."
https://udel.edu/~mcdonald/mytheyecolor.html
https://genetics.thetech.org/how-blue-eyed-parents-can-have-brown-eyed-children

lana6765
01-03-2021, 10:52 PM
Is it possible to have 87,5% of ancestors with blue eyes and have chance 1% to have light eyes?

1% black hair, why my 2 grandparents had it


Light or Dark Hair
Cyryl, your genetics predict

40%
chance of dark brown hair

36%
chance of light brown hair

19%
chance of dark blond hair

4%
chance of light blond hair

1%
chance of black hair

Maybe it depends on which genes you inherited.

Many people in my family have dark brown hair and my father has black hair. I only have 1% chance of black hair.

But black hair is dominant and doesn't blend well, so I probably didn't inherit black haired genes.

FionnSneachta
01-03-2021, 11:48 PM
My brother, parents and I all have blue eyes. My mum and I have fair skin. My brother tans and my dad has a permanent tan from from farming. He had quite a red face in his youth though but that lessened as the years went by. I think that all my grandparents were blue-eyed as well.

I'm surprsied by the way that my great grandfather's (the father of my red-headed grandfather) siblings were described. It's not really what I was expecting. From migration records, his sister aged 15 was described as having a dark complexion, brown hair, and brown eyes. His brother aged 23 was described as having a dark complexion, brown hair and black eyes. Another brother aged 21 was described as having a dark complexion, black hair and brown eyes. Another sister had the appearance that I was expecting of fair complexion, dark hair and blue eyes.

rms2
01-04-2021, 12:00 AM
rs12896399 GT
rs1667394 TT
rs12821256 TT

Guess I have the blond variant in the first two but not in the third.

I had blond hair when I was a kid, but it started darkening bit by bit in high school. By the time I was in my late twenties, my hair was dark brown with what other people told me were "red highlights". My moustache and beard had a lot of blond and red hair in them, and I carry the Arg160Trp (R160W) red hair variant.

alan
01-04-2021, 12:26 AM
My hair got progressively darker from blond up to age 7 to mid-dark brown around late teens. But it actually lightened a bit to a lighter mid brown from my early 20s and kind of stayed that way till my 40s when it turned mid-dark brown. I have a friend too whose hair was almost black as a child but in his teens it sort of depigmented a bit and lightened into a mid-light red-brown. His mum was a redhead. Another guy I know had mousey hair as a kid but in his teens it got flecked through with significant numbers of red hairs. Again his mum was a redhead. So, there are some oddities.

alan
01-04-2021, 12:32 AM
rs12896399 GT
rs1667394 TT
rs12821256 TT

Guess I have the blond variant in the first two but not in the third.

I had blond hair when I was a kid, but it started darkening bit by bit in high school. By the time I was in my late twenties, my hair was dark brown with what other people told me were "red highlights". My moustache and beard had a lot of blond and red hair in them, and I carry the Arg160Trp (R160W) red hair variant.

Ive seen a couple of people with a kind of glossy very dark brown hair (almost black) that when caught in bright sunlight looks totally red like some sort of weird x-ray effect has revealed a bright red layer below the dark.

rms2
01-04-2021, 12:43 AM
Now my hair is well on its way to white, but at least it hasn't fallen out.

subzero85
01-09-2021, 01:30 AM
rs12896399 GT
rs1667394 CC
rs12821256 TT

Xeon
01-09-2021, 02:15 AM
rs12896399 GT
rs1667394 TT
rs12821256 TT

Guess I have the blond variant in the first two but not in the third.

I had blond hair when I was a kid, but it started darkening bit by bit in high school. By the time I was in my late twenties, my hair was dark brown with what other people told me were "red highlights". My moustache and beard had a lot of blond and red hair in them, and I carry the Arg160Trp (R160W) red hair variant.

I have the same alleles as you although, my hair had a reddish colour to it while I was very young but darkened over time. My hair right now is medium brown but my beard has a lighter tint, with some patches being red even.

drobbah
01-09-2021, 06:11 AM
rs12896399- GT
rs12821256- TT
rs1667394-CC

My hair has always been black but I've met a few Horners with brown hair.Perhaps the brown haired Horners are completely derived on the first snp, if the Eurasian ancestry of Horners is predominantly Levant_BA/BedouinB-like then it makes sense why we have it.

ADW_1981
01-09-2021, 06:44 AM
rs12896399 - TT
rs12821256 - TT
rs1667394 - TT

Blonde and red hair is rampant in the family, but without the freckles.

Deftextra
01-09-2021, 06:57 AM
I was born with brownish hair but got darker as I got older. This not uncommon in my family, I have seen it happen with my brothers and sisters and other family members.

drobbah
01-09-2021, 07:38 AM
I was born with brownish hair but got darker as I got older. This not uncommon in my family, I have seen it happen with my brothers and sisters and other family members.
My father was also born with brown hair and got darker as he got older.There's a decent amount of ethnic Somalis with brown hair and even light brown eyes.I think anything lighter than brown in hair or eyes clearly has foreign admixture.Are there Benadiris with green eyes or red hair?

alejandromb92
01-09-2021, 08:16 AM
rs12896399 / GG
rs1667394 / TT
rs12821256 / CT

lana6765
01-09-2021, 10:15 AM
rs12896399 GT
rs1667394 TT
rs12821256 TT

Guess I have the blond variant in the first two but not in the third.

I had blond hair when I was a kid, but it started darkening bit by bit in high school. By the time I was in my late twenties, my hair was dark brown with what other people told me were "red highlights". My moustache and beard had a lot of blond and red hair in them, and I carry the Arg160Trp (R160W) red hair variant.

I have the same as you.

Blonde as a kid, light brown as an adult. No red hair though.

lana6765
01-09-2021, 10:31 AM
.....

JFWinstone
01-09-2021, 12:14 PM
rs12896399 - G/G
rs1667394 - T/T
rs12821256 - T/T

I had blonde hair until I was about 7 then it changed to dark brown. It has been very dark brown/black since my early 30s though.

JJJ
01-09-2021, 12:43 PM
rs12896399 / TT
rs1667394 / CT
rs12821256 / TT

lana6765
01-09-2021, 01:45 PM
http://i.imgur.com/HDZl2EF.jpg

There are some blonde people in our family.. I'm not one of them though.

Yay another one!

No one in my family is blonde. I probably have the lightest hair that isn't red and it's a sort of gold-brown.

Stefanie
01-09-2021, 02:21 PM
They got my brother’s hair predictions pretty accurate. He has straight, very dark brown hair. I always said if they ever did a composite from my dna on a wanted poster or something, they’d never find me. Lol. Got my eye color right. We’re all blue eyed, well, my mom, dad, brother and me. And all of us have very dark brown hair. It was never any other color.

Disclaimer- “read everything as before we all went gray headed.” :biggrin1:

About the only thing they got right on my hair traits predictions is that it is not red.

rs12896399 - TT
rs12821256 -TT
rs1667394 - TT

45%
chance of dark blond hair
25%
chance of light brown hair
17%
chance of light blond hair
13%
chance of dark brown hair
<1%
chance of black hair

Brother

rs12896399 - GT
rs12821256 - TT
rs1667394 - TT

61%
chance of dark brown hair
25%
chance of light brown hair
7%
chance of black hair
6%
chance of dark blond hair
1%
chance of light blond hair

FionnSneachta
01-09-2021, 05:18 PM
My breakdown is 38% chance of light brown hair, 35% chance of dark brown hair, 22% chance of dark blond hair, 4% chance of light blond hair and 1% chance of black hair.
When I go into my report, it says the combination of your genetics and other factors make you more likely to have lighter hair. I suppose that this makes sense if light brown hair is included in the lighter category.

I briefly had blonde hair when I was a toddler. Now I have brown hair but do still have some golden strands that are noticeable when caught in the sunlight. I remember comparing my hair to hair that had been dyed in a pharmacy before. My hair was identical to that brand's dye product called dark golden brown hair (I made sure to remember the name in case I ever needed it in the future).

Just to add to this, these are my SNP reads:
rs12896399 TT (Lighter hair color & blue eyes more likely)
rs12821256 TT (no increased chance of blonde hair)
rs1667394 TT (blond hair & blue eyes is 4x more likely)

The blue eyes are correct anyway. My brother had blond hair longer than me up until he was about 8, maybe longer, but now has light brown hair.

Jokli
01-09-2021, 06:56 PM
I was born with brownish hair but got darker as I got older. This not uncommon in my family, I have seen it happen with my brothers and sisters and other family members.


In my extended family most men who were blonde as kids later on have dark brown or black hair (like my dad). I was darker haired than him as a child but ended up with lighter hair.

Deftextra
01-11-2021, 07:46 PM
My father was also born with brown hair and got darker as he got older.There's a decent amount of ethnic Somalis with brown hair and even light brown eyes.I think anything lighter than brown in hair or eyes clearly has foreign admixture.Are there Benadiris with green eyes or red hair?

Yeah, I personally met a few Somalis who retained their brownish colour. As I get older however, my beard started to show brown/red patches.

Although very rare, one my aunts children who has one full Somali grandparent, has dark blondish hair. I have no Idea from which ancestry he got that from, but he reminded me allot of the Melanesian people who independently developed the mutation for blonde hair. Most likely will turn dark as he gets older.

Jokli
01-12-2021, 01:19 PM
Yeah, I personally met a few Somalis who retained their brownish colour. As I get older however, my beard started to show brown/red patches.

Although very rare, one my aunts children who has one full Somali grandparent, has dark blondish hair. I have no Idea from which ancestry he got that from, but he reminded me allot of the Melanesian people who independently developed the mutation for blonde hair. Most likely will turn dark as he gets older.

I have read that occasionally some Hmong kids from Southeast Asia have blonde hair too.

Ruderico
01-13-2021, 02:10 PM
Mine

rs12896399 GT
rs1667394 TT
rs12821256 CT


Missus'

rs12896399 GT
rs1667394 TT
rs12821256 TT


Both of us have dark brown hair, she has blue-grey eyes whereas mine are light-brown/hazel. I used to have ash-blonde hair has a baby although it darkened very quickly, but I still have some hair with that colour on my moustache which is noticeable with sunlight, but otherwise not really.


Here's their trait report. The missus' is similar, but her blond extends over the brunette because of larger other factors. I don't know what factors they have in mind, I suppose it's related to epigenetics.

https://i.postimg.cc/25393Jrd/haircolour.png

JJJ
01-14-2021, 11:48 PM
Mine

rs12896399 GT
rs1667394 TT
rs12821256 CT


Missus'

rs12896399 GT
rs1667394 TT
rs12821256 TT


Both of us have dark brown hair, she has blue-grey eyes whereas mine are light-brown/hazel. I used to have ash-blonde hair has a baby although it darkened very quickly, but I still have some hair with that colour on my moustache which is noticeable with sunlight, but otherwise not really.


Here's their trait report. The missus' is similar, but her blond extends over the brunette because of larger other factors. I don't know what factors they have in mind, I suppose it's related to epigenetics.

https://i.postimg.cc/25393Jrd/haircolour.png

I think the same thing happens to me as your girlfriend, they tell me that I have blonde hair but due to "other factors" I can't have it.

https://i.imgur.com/5QhbRdC.png
https://i.imgur.com/cRPrG4G.png

altvred
01-17-2021, 07:14 PM
rs12896399 GT

rs1667394 CT

rs12821256 TT


https://i.imgur.com/VsMuUol.png

https://i.imgur.com/eIXVCB9.png

Pretty much everyone in my family, including myself, has very dark brown hair, so 23andme and got that right. I do wonder what exactly those "other factors" are supposed to be?

lana6765
01-17-2021, 08:05 PM
Am surprised so many people with GTTTTT have dark brown hair! Light and dark brown hair were both equally likely in my report.

But I think my hair photo bleaches very easily. The roots are darker but it grows out light brown. I had a 71% chance of photobleaching in the reports. Or maybe there are other factors.

Finn
02-08-2021, 08:14 PM
The one on sequencing was pretty accurat!!!

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?22949-DNA-Selfie-Appearance-Predictor-results&p=745871#post745871

peloponnesian
02-11-2021, 05:18 PM
They got my hair (dark brown) right.

https://i.imgur.com/VsyszCu.png

And they also got my eyes right, although it seems they group blue, grey and green eyes together, which means they don't consider green eyes to be intermediate between blue and brown.

https://i.imgur.com/rz7hdoB.png

What's more interesting is that there's a large percentage of self-reported African-American and Middle Eastern customers of 23andMe who carry at least one G on rs12913832:

https://i.imgur.com/iUkn9KJ.png

Is that mostly due to the customers being mixed and having a European parent or grandparent? Anecdotally, a lot of people in Southern Europe carry AA on the SNP so these percentages don't make sense for unadmixed individuals.

Finn
02-11-2021, 05:30 PM
They got my hair (dark brown) right.

https://i.imgur.com/VsyszCu.png

And they also got my eyes right, although it seems they group blue, grey and green eyes together, which means they don't consider green eyes to be intermediate between blue and brown.

https://i.imgur.com/rz7hdoB.png

What's more interesting is that there's a large percentage of self-reported African-American and Middle Eastern customers of 23andMe who carry at least one G on rs12913832:

https://i.imgur.com/iUkn9KJ.png

Is that mostly due to the customers being mixed and having a European parent or grandparent? Anecdotally, a lot of people in Southern Europe carry AA on the SNP so these percentages don't make sense for unadmixed individuals.

Speaking about the peloponnese.....

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19952-1-of-the-7-beauties-blond-and-brown-eyes-or-dark-and-blue-gray-eyes!&p=747038#post747038

Ruderico
02-11-2021, 05:30 PM
What's more interesting is that there's a large percentage of self-reported African-American and Middle Eastern customers of 23andMe who carry at least one G on rs12913832:

https://i.imgur.com/iUkn9KJ.png

Is that mostly due to the customers being mixed and having a European parent or grandparent? Anecdotally, a lot of people in Southern Europe carry AA on the SNP so these percentages don't make sense for unadmixed individuals.

https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Rs12913832

At least one G is by far the most common even in TSI (Tuscany, Italy)

Finn
02-11-2021, 07:14 PM
YourDNAportal

Eye colour, likelihood of having green, hazel, brown or black coloured eyes
rs1800407GG

People with your genotype are more likely to have blue or grey eyes, if not carrying other markers for green, hazel, brown or black eye colour. Eye colour is affected by multiple markers, some are more dominant than others.


Blue eyes
rs1129038AG

People with your genotype carry one recessive copy of this marker for blue eyes.

rs4778241AC

People with your genotype carry one recessive copy of this marker for blue eyes.

rs12593929AA

People with your genotype have two copies of this marker and are more likely to have blue eyes. Eye colour is affected by multiple markers and resulting eye colour depends on which recessive or dominant markers you carry.

rs7183877AC

People with your genotype carry one recessive copy of this marker for blue eyes.


rs3935591CT

People with your genotype carry one recessive copy of this marker for blue eyes.


rs8028689TT

People with your genotype have two copies of this marker and are more likely to have blue eyes. Eye colour is affected by multiple markers and resulting eye colour depends on which recessive or dominant markers you carry.

rs2240203TT

People with your genotype have two copies of this marker and are more likely to have blue eyes. Eye colour is affected by multiple markers and resulting eye colour depends on which recessive or dominant markers you carry.


Lighter toned eyes
rs3794604CC

People with your genotype often have lighter toned eyes, you have two copies of this marker which blocks some melanin in the eye. Blocks some melanin. Often gives light colored eyes.

rs7174027AG

People with your genotype do not have lighter toned eyes, you have one copy of this marker which blocks some melanin in the eye.

rs9782955CT

People with your genotype do not have lighter toned eyes. You have one copy of this marker, which blocks some melanin in the eye.


Eye Tone
rs11636232CT

People with your genotype are more likely to have medium toned eyes, although you carry one recessive variant for lighter eyes.

Result:
https://i.postimg.cc/CMGy06MH/Schermafbeelding-2021-02-11-om-20-10-22.png (https://postimg.cc/qgvDXw3z)

msmarjoribanks
02-14-2021, 11:29 AM
Of 23andMe research participants with genetics like yours:

52% have blue eyes.

21% have greenish blue eyes.

17% have green eyes. [Note: I have green eyes.]

8% have light hazel eyes.

2% have dark hazel eyes.

< 1% have light brown eyes.

< 1% have dark brown eyes.

They asked me if I had blue or green eyes and I said yes, so they marked this accurate. Shrug, guess we can't really tell blue and green eyes apart yet. My mom had bluish green eyes and my dad and sister both have blue eyes.

msmarjoribanks
02-14-2021, 11:35 AM
Of 23andMe research participants with results like yours:

24% have straight hair. [As do I.]

45% have slightly wavy hair.

20% have wavy hair.

7% have big curls.

3% have small curls.

1% have very tight curls.

I have very straight hair, this also counted as a success according to 23andMe.

And to the color!

Of 23andMe research participants with results like yours:

2% have light blond hair.

13% have dark blond hair.

31% have light brown hair. [As do I.]

51% have dark brown hair. [As did both my parents before going grey, weirdly my sister has dark blond hair (which was very light blond as a kid) and I had blond hair as a kid which gradually darkened. But then I lived at that time in a hot climate and am also supposed to have hair that lightens from the sun.]

3% have black hair.

msmarjoribanks
02-14-2021, 11:41 AM
Finally:

Of people with results like yours:

75% experience hair photobleaching. [Yes]

25% do not experience hair photobleaching.

And might as well:

Of 23andMe research participants with genetics like yours:

39% have very fair skin. [Yes, annoyingly so.]

32% have moderately fair skin.

25% have light beige skin.

3% have olive skin.

1% have light brown skin.

< 1% have dark brown skin.

Of 23andMe research participants with results like yours:

63% have lots of freckles.

37% have few, if any, freckles. [Me, although I used to get them from the sun. Since I also burn easily I have avoided that for years.]

lana6765
02-14-2021, 01:08 PM
Other 23andme appearance stats and how right they are:

Eyes

51% have blue eyes.
21% have greenish blue eyes.
17% have green eyes.
9% have light hazel eyes.
2% have dark hazel eyes.
< 1% have light brown eyes.
< 1% have dark brown eyes.

Actual colour: greenish blue

Hair texture

19% have straight hair.
42% have slightly wavy hair.
24% have wavy hair.
9% have big curls.
5% have small curls.
1% have very tight curls.

Actual hair texture: Either very wavy or big curls, but it frizzes easily. :)

peloponnesian
02-14-2021, 01:18 PM
Speaking about the peloponnese.....

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19952-1-of-the-7-beauties-blond-and-brown-eyes-or-dark-and-blue-gray-eyes!&p=747038#post747038

Interesting. There've been so many populations settling in the Peloponnese since the Neolithic times, I'd guess most of the lighter phenotypic traits exhibited today are due to Slavic/Balkan settlement but who knows.


https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Rs12913832

At least one G is by far the most common even in TSI (Tuscany, Italy)

Maybe it's between 30-50% in Greece? I'd guess that makes sense given the 10-15% frequency of light eyes in the country.

Johnny ola
02-14-2021, 01:24 PM
Interesting. There've been so many populations settling in the Peloponnese since the Neolithic times, I'd guess most of the lighter phenotypic traits exhibited today are due to Slavic/Balkan settlement but who knows.



Maybe it's between 30-50% in Greece? I'd guess that makes sense given the 10-15% frequency of light eyes in the country.

Anatolian N farmers had also light eyes.So it is not specificially associated with Slavs or northern people.But lighter hair and complexion might be indeed.

Finn
02-14-2021, 01:33 PM
Interesting. There've been so many populations settling in the Peloponnese since the Neolithic times, I'd guess most of the lighter phenotypic traits exhibited today are due to Slavic/Balkan settlement but who knows.



Maybe it's between 30-50% in Greece? I'd guess that makes sense given the 10-15% frequency of light eyes in the country.

I guess these blondism is not connected with Slavic but with the ENF, Neolithic Farmers....

alexfritz
02-14-2021, 01:59 PM
Interesting. There've been so many populations settling in the Peloponnese since the Neolithic times, I'd guess most of the lighter phenotypic traits exhibited today are due to Slavic/Balkan settlement but who knows.



Maybe it's between 30-50% in Greece? I'd guess that makes sense given the 10-15% frequency of light eyes in the country.

Greece or a Greek pop. is not featured (http://grch37.ensembl.org/Homo_sapiens/Variation/Population?db=core;r=15:28365118-28366118;v=rs12913832;vdb=variation;vf=321015724) but it should not be dissimilar to Italians or Jews
TSI (Tuscans) n107 G allele 90/214 42.1% G/G genotype 17/107 15.9%
asj (Ashkenazi Jews) n145 G allele 159/290 54.8% G/G genotype n.d.

lana6765
02-18-2021, 10:27 PM
Of 23andMe research participants with genetics like yours:

52% have blue eyes.

21% have greenish blue eyes.

17% have green eyes. [Note: I have green eyes.]

8% have light hazel eyes.

2% have dark hazel eyes.

< 1% have light brown eyes.

< 1% have dark brown eyes.

They asked me if I had blue or green eyes and I said yes, so they marked this accurate. Shrug, guess we can't really tell blue and green eyes apart yet. My mom had bluish green eyes and my dad and sister both have blue eyes.

I have always said that I have green eyes, but the inclusion of greenish blue made me reconsider :)

I looked up the definition. I have a kind of central heterochromia where the inner part of my eyes is amber, and the outer part is dark blue.

https://kids.kiddle.co/images/a/ad/Hazel_Eyes_Iris_closeup%2C_Caucasian_male%2C_age_2 3.jpg

Note: Not my eyes but very similar.

Green eyes, I think, tend to be more green + brown rather than blue, but they share the amber pigment.

Edit: now I’m second guessing myself. These eye colours are confusing.

Can’t we have blue, brown, all intermediates :D

Finn
02-19-2021, 07:25 AM
I have always said that I have green eyes, but the inclusion of greenish blue made me reconsider :)

I looked up the definition. I have a kind of central heterochromia where the inner part of my eyes is amber, and the outer part is dark blue.

https://kids.kiddle.co/images/a/ad/Hazel_Eyes_Iris_closeup%2C_Caucasian_male%2C_age_2 3.jpg



https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19952-1-of-the-7-beauties-blond-and-brown-eyes-or-dark-and-blue-gray-eyes!&p=748774&viewfull=1#post748774

Note: Not my eyes but very similar.

Green eyes, I think, tend to be more green + brown rather than blue, but they share the amber pigment.

Edit: now I’m second guessing myself. These eye colours are confusing.

Can’t we have blue, brown, all intermediates :D

Nr 5 on the (French) chart?
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19952-1-of-the-7-beauties-blond-and-brown-eyes-or-dark-and-blue-gray-eyes!&p=748774&viewfull=1#post748774

lana6765
02-19-2021, 07:35 AM
Nr 5 on the (French) chart?
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19952-1-of-the-7-beauties-blond-and-brown-eyes-or-dark-and-blue-gray-eyes!&p=748774&viewfull=1#post748774

Yes, sounds correct :)

FionnSneachta
02-20-2021, 11:21 AM
My eyes would be 2b on that chart since they're dark blue.