red beard

[bradly88]

I was wondering about red beards. I have a red beard. Does having a red beard mean that I carry the gene for red hair? I heard that red hair and the haplogroup R1b are connected. Any comments would be most welcome.

[The Barnacle]

Yes bro!! Beard gang!! Lol although my beard isn't exactly ginger but when I go outside, the light hits my beard and it's pretty much ginger/brown. In the sunlight it's completey ginger/brown. Quite a few family members have ginger beards too. Sadly I havevt had the chance to take a genetic test.

[randwulf]

My beard used to look mostly brown from a distance, but had individual brown, black, red, and blond in it. I am R1b. Other than that, I don't know the correlations. Now, it just looks gray/white with some brown (getting old!).

[rms2]

I was wondering about red beards. I have a red beard. Does having a red beard mean that I carry the gene for red hair? I heard that red hair and the haplogroup R1b are connected. Any comments would be most welcome.

We have a thread on red hair variants here (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3631-Britain-s-DNA-Red-Head-Test-Results-Post-Them-Here-Please), but this is a topic that I find fascinating for some reason, so I'm willing to talk about it anywhere.

Yes, I suspect that you probably carry one of the red hair variants, but probably just one copy, which is why it shows up in your beard but not your head hair. Since red hair is a recessive trait, you generally have to have two copies of a variant to actually have red hair on your head.

I carry the red hair variant Arg160Trp (aka R160W, rs1805008), which has been confirmed by both my Family Finder results from FTDNA and the Red Head Test from BritainsDNA.

If you have Family Finder results, download the raw data, open them with 7Zip (available for free online), and use the "Find & Select" function in the upper right of the spreadsheet to check for the red hair variants that are included in Family Finder. They are on the red hair variants table I am including in this post (use the RefSNP or "rs" number to hunt for the variants in the spreadsheet).

23andMe tests for a few of the variants, too, so if you have 23andMe results, you can check for them, as well.

I had a lot of red facial hair when I was young, too, before my beard started going white. Here is a bad photo of me when I was 18 taken from an old university ID. It shows my red moustache.

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Here's my red hair variants table. There are more variants than just these, but these are the ones I have been able to find out about thus far (I believe they are the most common ones, as well).

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[randwulf]

Yes, I suspect that you probably carry one of the red hair variants, but probably just one copy, which is why it shows up in your beard but not your head hair. Since red hair is a recessive trait, you generally have to have two copies of a variant to actually have red hair on your head.



Interesting....I do have one "A" at rs2228479. I guess that explains the red beard hairs.

[Agamemnon]

My beard used to look mostly brown from a distance, but had individual brown, black, red, and blond in it.

Same here, and I look like my maternal grandfather (who was R1b-U152).

[Gray Fox]

My beard is very light in color and what I guess you would call "Blonde". If I get to looking at it, it has a lot of copper hairs mixed in as well. It seems to get darker as I age turning to more of an auburn/brown color.

I don't typically grow mine out though. Its light in a few spots and practically bald in a spot just below my chin. My fathers beard growing ability was definitely passed onto me. Its weird because some of my uncles can grow thick "Ned Flanders" type mustaches and some of them can't grow anything worth keeping. My Grandfather had a very light colored, full beard. Its interesting what you pick up and don't.

[DMXX]

I have the same rainbow beard status as randwulf and Agamemnon. From afar it's basically dark. Up close, neck, cheek, sideburn and chin region's mostly black with random red hairs (10-15% I'd approximate). Moustache is various brown shades. Underlip hair's mostly blonde. Like The Barnacle, the non-dark colouring's really fleshed out in sunlight.

Growing my first big beard two years back was a fun experience as all this additional hidden colouring was basically scraped off my face since my adult years (only needed to shave from 19 onwards; the full-beard-from-13 stereotype occasionally given to West Asians didn't apply with me).

I feel for guys it's a unique way of discovering phenotypic aspects of your appearance that might be taken for granted. It's also nice seeing rms2's picture; he looked quite good with the solo moustache. Not everyone can pull it off, even when it was more fashionable.

I'm regrowing the beard out, so will report back here in 6-10 weeks with a couple pictures.

[Gray Fox]

If I can find the pics, I'll post some of my beard growing attempts. I think it would look just fine if I could get past that awkward stage.

[Gray Fox]

Found 'em

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[Krefter]

Anyone have any ideas why hair gets darker after childhood, and why beard hair is often a different color from head hair? There must be an answer in DNA.

[randwulf]

Me with the family before it all turned gray:

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Older son who says his beard is just like mine (brown, black, red, blond):

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Younger son who says his doesn't have any red, but I am not sure he is paying attention:

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[randwulf]

Anyone have any ideas why hair gets darker after childhood, and why beard hair is often a different color from head hair? There must be an answer in DNA.

There must be. Mine was blond as a child and turned brown (then gray).

[surbakhunWeesste]

Anyone have any ideas why hair gets darker after childhood, and why beard hair is often a different color from head hair? There must be an answer in DNA.

Possibly due to increase of melanin as you age. Since the amount of genes expressing the physical traits such like hair color are not constant throughout your life, the shift will make changes (regulation of gene expression) in color... Possibly it also depends on the amount of eumelanin or pheomelanin.

[rms2]

Found 'em

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That beard looks good, brother!

And I would describe that as reddish blond. Do you know if you carry any of the red hair variants?

[Gray Fox]

That beard looks good, brother!

And I would describe that as reddish blond. Do you know if you carry any of the red hair variants?

Well thank ya! No, I don't know if I carry any variants.. I am borrowing a friends laptop at the moment and they don't have excel or spreadsheet software. :(

I'd have to guess that I do though. I am also able to ingest lactose without it bothering me, so I'm assuming I carry that variant as well.

[SwampThing27]

My beard is pretty dark but my mustache is actually a lot lighter. Almost blonde in the right lighting even.

http://i57.tinypic.com/117h5i8.jpg

[rms2]

Interesting....I do have one "A" at rs2228479. I guess that explains the red beard hairs.

So, you are a carrier of the variant Val92Met.

Here (http://browser.1000genomes.org/Homo_sapiens/Variation/Population?db=core;r=16:89985440-89986440;v=rs2228479;vdb=variation;vf=1805366) is the 1000 Genomes Project's page on Val92Met. If you click on "Sub-populations" below each region's pie chart, you will get a breakdown of the frequency of Val92Met among each of 1000 Genome's sub-populations for that region.

For example, Val92Met has a frequency of 7% in 1000 Genome's European sample population, but 29% in its Asian sample population. In Europe, it is most frequent in the GBR (British in England and Scotland) sub-population, at 12%.

[ADW_1981]

Anyone have any ideas why hair gets darker after childhood, and why beard hair is often a different color from head hair? There must be an answer in DNA.

I'm guessing here...but it may because we only have single copies of a mutation.
For instance, I carry a single copy of xxx07 and xxx08. (don't feel like looking the numbers up), but my hair went from carrot top as a 6 year old to dark red-brown as a teen and adult. I also have very few freckles.
My beard and sideburns are still full red though. I still consider myself a redhead even though others do not notice it immediately.

[bradly88]

Here is my pic of my hair: http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2015/033/9/1/12_13_2014_by_bradly66-d8ggjzq.jpg. Could any one tell me what color my hair in the photo is?

[SwampThing27]

Cant tell from that pic

[surbakhunWeesste]

Here is my pic of my hair: http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2015/033/9/1/12_13_2014_by_bradly66-d8ggjzq.jpg. Could any one tell me what color my hair in the photo is?

salt n' pepper

[rms2]

Here is my pic of my hair: http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2015/033/9/1/12_13_2014_by_bradly66-d8ggjzq.jpg. Could any one tell me what color my hair in the photo is?

Honestly, I could hardly tell what was actually depicted in that photo. Maybe you could take one of your head in a well-lit room or outside in reasonable sunlight.

[bradly88]

This is a photo of me last year: http://bradly66.deviantart.com/art/11-21-2014-511579599/.

[rms2]

In that photo, both your head hair and beard look red to me.

Have you done the Family Finder test or 23andMe's test?

[bradly88]

I just ordered the family finder test on Jan. 31, 2015. I hope to find out my results in 3 to 4 weeks. My hair is dark blonde and my beard is red. My moustache is light blonde.

[bradly88]

Here is an interesting article from eupedia.com about the correlation between red hair and R1b: http://www.eupedia.com/genetics/origins_of_red_hair.shtml/.

[bradly88]

I got my family finder results. I carry the trait, Arg160Trp, in my MCR1 gene. That means that I'm a carrier for the red hair gene. My T/C genotype is TC.

[bradly88]

Here is my red hair gene certificate: http://bradly66.deviantart.com/art/My-Red-Hair-Gene-Certificate-518158844/.

This certificate indicates that I am a carrier of red hair.

[Koshur_Sam]

I have red bits all over my beard and on my head, not loads but they are noticeable.
However according to 23andme i dont carry any red hair traits

[kenji.aryan]

I have red bits all over my beard and on my head, not loads but they are noticeable.
However according to 23andme i dont carry any red hair traits

Its same for me but i don't have red on my hair but i do have some red in my beard. According to 23andme i don't carry any red-hair variant but 23andme only test you for few SNP's and not for all SNP's related to red-hair.

I'm positive for 1 red-hair variant which is known as VAL92MET(rs2228479).

You can check below mentioned SNP's on 23andme raw data section and you need "Derived" (i made them bold below) allele to be positive for red-hair and "Ancestral means you are negative for red-hair variant.


MC1R loci Ancestral/Derived
rs1805007 C/T
Y152OCH C/A
rs111400 T/C
rs1805009 G/C
rs2228479 G/A
N29insA C/A
rs885479 C/T
rs1805005 G/T
rs11547464 G/A
rs1805008 C/T
rs1805006 C/A



http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3768-Red-Hair-Genotype-Data-(23andMe-derived)&p=66891#post66891

[bradly88]

I have discovered that I have the red hair variant D294H aka rs1805009 (C;G).

[coffeeprince]

Legend has it that my Ashkenazi ancestors had red hair/beards until the 1900s but since I don't seem to carry any of the T/A/etc variants on the genes that FTDNA has tested, I guess this may be false.

[Aha]

I have like a few dozens red coloured hairs on my beard. My bro has too. Otherwise the rest of the beard is brown.
Hair colour is dark blonde.

My great grandpa is a redhead.

[bradly88]

I have the SNP: Rs1805009, which is (A;G). That is my red beard gene. I finally traced my ancestor to Helgi O'Bjolin. His father was a Viking by the name of Kendrik Flatnose Bjornssen. His mother was an Irish princess named Heather MacNamera. Kendrik was the king of Mann and Hebrides.

[lukaszM]

My beard used to look mostly brown from a distance, but had individual brown, black, red, and blond in it. I am R1b. Other than that, I don't know the correlations. Now, it just looks gray/white with some brown (getting old!).

Like me, I have in the same time nearly black, brown and dark blond hair (but not red) in beard. Now it's greying. My head hair are dark blond / light brown.

[Helgenes50]

Like me, I have in the same time nearly black, brown and dark blond hair (but not red) in beard. Now it's greying. My head hair are dark blond / light brown.

My Norman beard is very similar

[Sangarius]

I had a lot of red facial hair when I was young, too, before my beard started going white. Here is a bad photo of me when I was 18 taken from an old university ID. It shows my red moustache.


Here's my red hair variants table. There are more variants than just these, but these are the ones I have been able to find out about thus far (I believe they are the most common ones, as well).

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Well, if that isn't Steve Murphy from Narcos B)

http://www.theperfectman.me/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Murphy-800x560.jpg




My hair is dark, but my beard has lighter influences. It can look quite reddish in the right conditions.
This is a crop from an older photo, I don't usually let it grow that long as it looks rather scruffy:

https://abload.de/img/redbeardq7pmk.jpg

Don't seem to have much of the derived SNPs, though.

rs1805005 - 1/2
rs885479 - 1/2
rs2228479 - 0/2
rs1805006 - 0/2
rs1110400 - 0/2
rs1805009 - 0/2
rs1805007 - 0/2
rs34474212 - --

[Cellachán]

Reddish beard here (when at least a little good light hits it) and R1a.