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Asparuk
02-09-2015, 07:43 AM
23andme proves South Ossetians are a homogenous group and have not mixed with Kartvelians.

100% South Ossetian:

http://i.imgur.com/wd0pQnY.png

100% North Ossetian:

http://i.imgur.com/v4bwRVy.png

Ancestry Composition:

South Ossetian:

http://i.imgur.com/oJbNzHP.png

North Ossetian:

http://i.imgur.com/FSRmnRm.png

J1 DYS388=13
02-09-2015, 10:06 AM
Don't you have a contrasting plot for Kartvelians?

RCO
02-09-2015, 01:18 PM
My father is sharing 6cM with an Ossetian (Dimitrius Wandalorum et Alanorum). Probably it's an old IBD segment.

ADW_1981
02-09-2015, 03:24 PM
23andme proves South Ossetians are a homogenous group and have not mixed with Kartvelians.



Nah, it doesn't show that as all. This sounds like a political post. The fact 80+% of the ancestry is shared with other Caucasians groups like Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis within the "Middle-East" subgrouping shows the opposite.

Asparuk
02-09-2015, 06:07 PM
Nah, it doesn't show that as all.

Put on your glasses.


This sounds like a political post.

Even if it was, I still have a stronger case than you.
Georgian for comparison:

http://i.imgur.com/nqn3yL2.png


The fact 80+% of the ancestry is shared with other Caucasians groups like Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis within the "Middle-East" subgrouping shows the opposite.

Why don't you provide a source for this "fact". Hmmm? I'd like to see full autosomal results not assumptions made from y-dna or mtdna.

dp
02-09-2015, 06:47 PM
Put on your glasses.
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dp :-)

J1 DYS388=13
02-09-2015, 07:55 PM
Have you posted the right plot for South Ossetian? I'm sharing with a Georgian whose green marker is right on top of that one.

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Asparuk
02-10-2015, 12:14 AM
Have you posted the right plot for South Ossetian? I'm sharing with a Georgian whose green marker is right on top of that one.

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Yes I have double checked the PCA's. Your Georgian appears to be an outlier (partly Russian ancestry) but even then he's still below the South Ossetian cluster. I have marked the other 3 Georgians:

http://i.imgur.com/jwvFE0y.png

DMXX
02-10-2015, 01:04 AM
Asparuk's point is that Ossetian populations cluster in a different position on PCA's from Georgians and the differences within Ossetians aren't pronounced and perhaps what one would expect from an isolated mountain group (only ~3% autosomal component difference). The divide between Ossetians and Georgians (indicated by above) certainly appears larger than between the North and East European clusters.

Just to corroborate your inference with numerical data (more helpful and less liable to misinterpretation), do you have the GEDmatch IDs of Ossetian individuals, Asparuk? You should run them through an up-to-date calculator and share the top 20 genetic distance (GD). As a comparison, you could also find an Armenian ID and display that.

ADW_1981
02-10-2015, 02:04 AM
Put on your glasses.



Even if it was, I still have a stronger case than you.
Georgian for comparison:

http://i.imgur.com/nqn3yL2.png



Why don't you provide a source for this "fact". Hmmm? I'd like to see full autosomal results not assumptions made from y-dna or mtdna.

You do have autosomal results, it's called Ancestry Composition. Hell, it's not perfect but it does the trick. I don't see how this doesn't make you have Kartvelian ancestry.

J1 DYS388=13
02-10-2015, 09:33 AM
If you would plot all the Georgians and all the Ossetians on one diagram, I suspect you would see that they are basically all one cluster, with Ossetians at the top merging into Georgians at the bottom.

Anyway, I don't think "eyeballing" this data is going to prove your point. DMXX is right, you should switch to mathematics and show any real difference between the two datasets that way.

Asparuk
02-11-2015, 06:34 PM
Yet another pure South Ossetian's ancestry composition:

http://i.imgur.com/jFcNLPp.png



Just to corroborate your inference with numerical data (more helpful and less liable to misinterpretation), do you have the GEDmatch IDs of Ossetian individuals, Asparuk? You should run them through an up-to-date calculator and share the top 20 genetic distance (GD). As a comparison, you could also find an Armenian ID and display that.

I'm trying to get a hold of both their GED match ID's. Will report back in a few days with that.