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Kurd
02-13-2015, 04:41 AM
With a three day weekend coming up, I will have a little time to do a couple of plots for members posting their data.

I decided to focus on a low k admix calculator, so that I can cover much admixture with just 2 two dimensional plots. Although high k calculators narrow an individual’s ancestry down to a sub-regional level, they are too time consuming to plot, since many plots are needed to cover an individual’s sampled genome. In addition to being too time consuming to plot, one has to scan numerous charts, and add all the distances to compare 2 or more individuals.

I chose the MDLP k5 (Gedmatch) because it allows a West and East Eurasian comparison, and I can cover much of a member’s admixture with just 2 plots;

1. West Eurasia vs East Eurasia
2. Caucasian vs. S. Asian

If anyone wishes to be included in the plots, please have your data posted by Saturday evening, since I anticipate doing the plots on Sunday.

The plots will be most informative if members from various ethnic backgrounds (Europeans, W Asians, S Asians, etc.) post their data.

To get the ball rolling, here is my data:

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/MDLP%20K5%20Admix_zpsbeofastw.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/MDLP%20K5%20Admix_zpsbeofastw.jpg.html)

EDIT: I would not get too hung up on the definitions of the components, but from cross checking my results against results from other calculators, and comparing them to some members that have posted, it appears that W Asian & perhaps something else is lumped into Caucasian. South Asian seems to encompass "W/SW Indian" + ?. E Eurasian maybe ASE + E Asian + NE Asian. W Eurasian may cover E/NE European. Some of the European members may be able to shed light on Paleo Mediterranean by cross checking it with results they get from other calcluators.

2nd EDIT: Paleo Mediterranean ~EEF?

BalkanKiwi
02-13-2015, 05:45 AM
Here is mine. I don't mind my kit number being shown. I doubt anyone is going to use it for criminal purposes.

http://i.imgur.com/4nQTBxF.png (http://imgur.com/4nQTBxF)

Varun R
02-13-2015, 05:48 AM
3775

I see why this is meant to be used for Europeans only...

Humanist
02-13-2015, 06:27 AM
http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/dok101035/k5.jpg

Wulf Warrior
02-13-2015, 09:29 AM
3776


Population
East_Eurasian 1.40%
West_Eurasian 45.93%
Caucasian 13.06%
South_Asian 1.71%
Paleo_mediterranean 37.90%

Sorry it's so small...

BalkanKiwi
02-13-2015, 09:44 AM
3776


Population
East_Eurasian 1.40%
West_Eurasian 45.93%
Caucasian 13.06%
South_Asian 1.71%
Paleo_mediterranean 37.90%

Sorry it's so small...

Your Paleo_mediterranean value is quite interesting compared to your ancestry :)

Salkin
02-13-2015, 09:56 AM
I, too, seem to get a lot of Paleo_Mediterranean.

http://i.imgur.com/Iqj0VaZ.png

Wulf Warrior
02-13-2015, 10:28 AM
Your Paleo_mediterranean value is quite interesting compared to your ancestry :)

What does Paleo-Mediterranean represent?

My Grandfather,

Population
East_Eurasian 1.31%
West_Eurasian 47.05%
Caucasian 10.90%
South_Asian 2.12%
Paleo_mediterranean 38.61%

My Mother,

Population
East_Eurasian 1.36%
West_Eurasian 48.89%
Caucasian 11.28%
South_Asian 2.24%
Paleo_mediterranean 36.24%

Father,
Population
East_Eurasian 1.17%
West_Eurasian 45.99%
Caucasian 13.25%
South_Asian 1.17%
Paleo_mediterranean 38.42%

BalkanKiwi
02-13-2015, 10:40 AM
What does Paleo-Mediterranean represent?

My Grandfather,

Population
East_Eurasian 1.31%
West_Eurasian 47.05%
Caucasian 10.90%
South_Asian 2.12%
Paleo_mediterranean 38.61%

My Mother,

Population
East_Eurasian 1.36%
West_Eurasian 48.89%
Caucasian 11.28%
South_Asian 2.24%
Paleo_mediterranean 36.24%

Father,
Population
East_Eurasian 1.17%
West_Eurasian 45.99%
Caucasian 13.25%
South_Asian 1.17%
Paleo_mediterranean 38.42%

I came across this, http://thehelicaltree.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/mdlp-k5-admixture.html

Paleo-Mediterranean:

One of the sub-races in Caucasian and Europian, the others being Alpine (Celtic), Dinaric, and Nordic.

Mediterranean race is defined by dark hair and eyes, aquiline nose, swarthy or olive complexion, moderate to short stature, moderate to long skull and was prevalent in Southern Europe, North Africa, Horn of Africa, Western Asia, South Asia, Eastern Europe, portions of England, Wales, Ireland, and Scotland.

Mediterranean includes: Gracile, Ibero-Insular, West Mediterranean, Atlantid,/Atlanto Mediterranean, Pontic/East Mediterranean, Berberid, Orientalid (also refering to Arabid and Iranid races).

Seems quite broad. I thought mine was large due to my Croatian ancestry but apparently it has quite a bit included.

Salkin
02-13-2015, 10:48 AM
And my mother's.

http://i.imgur.com/YeUXIXr.png

I suspect Paleo-Mediterranean is a component most Europeans, even northerners like us, have a good helping of.

Kaido
02-13-2015, 11:22 AM
http://i.imgur.com/VYixpWx.png?1

jesus
02-13-2015, 11:30 AM
It seems like an outdated calculator, and It's mainly made for Europeans and people of Uralic/Altaic ancestry. The Paleo_mediterranean component is probably related to the near eastern component in West Eurasia K8.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 52.66
2 Paleo_mediterranean 17.29
3 South_Asian 13.07
4 East_Eurasian 11.88
5 West_Eurasian 5.10

Rick
02-13-2015, 11:43 AM
EE 0.19%
WE 43.88%
Cauc. 16.02%
SA 1.50%
PM 38.41%


Ancestry roughly 3/4 English, 1/8 Scottish, 1/8 German

Kurd
02-13-2015, 11:59 AM
It seems like an outdated calculator, and It's mainly made for Europeans and people of Uralic/Altaic ancestry. The Paleo_mediterranean component is probably related to the near eastern component in West Eurasia K8.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 52.66
2 Paleo_mediterranean 17.29
3 South_Asian 13.07
4 East_Eurasian 11.88
5 West_Eurasian 5.10

I agree. A low number of reference populations may be a contributing factor. I meant for this to be more of a fun exercise than anything :)

SwampThing27
02-13-2015, 04:09 PM
British, French, German, Dutch ancestry:

Population
East_Eurasian 2.92%
West_Eurasian 40.41%
Caucasian 13.20%
South_Asian 2.20%
Paleo_mediterranean 41.28%

Táltos
02-13-2015, 04:25 PM
Here are my results.
1 West_Eurasian 43.48
2 Paleo_mediterranean 30.94
3 Caucasian 23.44
4 South_Asian 1.64
5 East_Eurasian 0.51

And my mom.
1 Paleo_mediterranean 38.1
2 Caucasian 31.12
3 West_Eurasian 27.07
4 South_Asian 3.72

Gray Fox
02-13-2015, 04:33 PM
Mine:

Population
East_Eurasian 0.48%
West_Eurasian 42.57%
Caucasian 14.14%
South_Asian 3.48%
Paleo_mediterranean 39.33%

SwampThing27
02-13-2015, 04:36 PM
Mine:

Population
East_Eurasian 0.48%
West_Eurasian 42.57%
Caucasian 14.14%
South_Asian 3.48%
Paleo_mediterranean 39.33%

Pretty high South Asian for you in this one Sam. My East Eurasian is higher in this one than I would expect.

Gray Fox
02-13-2015, 04:39 PM
Pretty high South Asian for you in this one Sam. My East Eurasian is higher in this one than I would expect.

The inexplicable South Asian strikes again!

vettor
02-13-2015, 04:41 PM
myself below

Population
East_Eurasian -
West_Eurasian 27.39%
Caucasian 26.80%
South_Asian 4.37%
Paleo_mediterranean 41.44%


my son below

Population
East_Eurasian 0.33%
West_Eurasian 31.11%
Caucasian 25.54%
South_Asian 2.61%
Paleo_mediterranean 40.41%



and my wife, below

Population
East_Eurasian 0.80%
West_Eurasian 30.40%
Caucasian 25.28%
South_Asian 1.67%
Paleo_mediterranean 41.85%

Kurd
02-13-2015, 04:47 PM
Going over some of the posts, it seems that S. Asian, in addition to containing Indian, may be serving as a surrogate for some Middle Eastern component as well.

NK19191
02-13-2015, 05:00 PM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 56.75
2 Paleo_mediterranean 17.40
3 East_Eurasian 10.01
4 South_Asian 8.12
5 West_Eurasian 7.72

randwulf
02-13-2015, 05:08 PM
These are very similar to my Geno 2.0 results of 41% Mediterranean, 40% Northern European, 17% SW Asian and 2% NE Asian (if you add the K5 Caucasian and South Asian components).

Population
East_Eurasian 1.34%
West_Eurasian 38.61%
Caucasian 15.86%
South_Asian 1.32%
Paleo_mediterranean 42.87%

I mentioned on another post that this one produced Oracle4 midpoint plots closer to my actual known ancestry than any other calculator. Maybe the bigger crayon approach eliminates enough noise to pick locations better? Or, maybe it just worked for my situation better.

Kurd
02-13-2015, 05:40 PM
These are very similar to my Geno 2.0 results of 41% Mediterranean, 40% Northern European, 17% SW Asian and 2% NE Asian (if you add the K5 Caucasian and South Asian components).

I mentioned on another post that this one produced midpoint plots closer to my actual known ancestry than any other calculator. Maybe the bigger crayon approach eliminates enough noise to pick locations better? Or, maybe it just worked for my situation better.

Thanks for including this info!

Humanist
02-14-2015, 05:08 AM
Iraqi Mandaean 1

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/dok101038/Iq_Mand_1.jpg


Iraqi Mandaean 2

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/dok101038/Iq_Mand_2.jpg

Jessie
02-14-2015, 05:22 AM
Here's mine

# Population Percent
1 West_Eurasian 47.15
2 Paleo_mediterranean 37.04
3 Caucasian 13.69
4 South_Asian 1.71
5 East_Eurasian 0.42

Mother

Population
East_Eurasian 1.25%
West_Eurasian 44.87%
Caucasian 14.64%
South_Asian 0.92%
Paleo_mediterranean 38.31%

surbakhunWeesste
02-14-2015, 06:23 PM
My father's:

Population
East_Eurasian 20.20%
West_Eurasian 15.22%
Caucasian 46.63%
South_Asian 13.38%
Paleo_mediterranean 4.56%

Mine:

Population
East_Eurasian 18.29%
West_Eurasian 17.28%
Caucasian 45.41%
South_Asian 11.22%
Paleo_mediterranean 7.79%

Calamus
02-14-2015, 07:25 PM
Mine:
Population
East_Eurasian 2.89%
West_Eurasian 52.19%
Caucasian 7.14%
South_Asian 2.29%
Paleo_mediterranean 35.49%

My father:
Population
East_Eurasian 2.81%
West_Eurasian 51.75%
Caucasian 7.38%
South_Asian 2.25%
Paleo_mediterranean 35.81%

My mother:
Population
East_Eurasian 2.56%
West_Eurasian 53.20%
Caucasian 8.58%
South_Asian 1.38%
Paleo_mediterranean 34.28%

Kurd
02-14-2015, 07:54 PM
Here is a plot of MDLP K5 E. vs. W. Eurasian. I was not able to include relatives as the chart became hard to read, due to some of the relatives percentages being very similar to either the member, or other members' percentages. I was only able to plot 1 Iraqi Mandean, as the other interfered with the visibility of some nearby icons. I posted the charts a little earlier than announced, due to a change in my personal schedule.

Hopefully, the publishing of some recent papers may trigger some new low k calculators on gedmatch. I guess we will have to wait and see.


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/MDLP%20K5%20E%20VS%20W%20EURASIAN%20Plot_zpsqzdhou wu.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/MDLP%20K5%20E%20VS%20W%20EURASIAN%20Plot_zpsqzdhou wu.jpg.html)


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/MDLP%20K5%20S%20ASIAN%20%20Plot_zpsdfxjhpsh.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/MDLP%20K5%20S%20ASIAN%20%20Plot_zpsdfxjhpsh.jpg.ht ml)

vettor
02-14-2015, 08:20 PM
Here is a plot of MDLP K5 E. vs. W. Eurasian. I was not able to include relatives as the chart became hard to read, due to some of the relatives percentages being very similar to either the member, or other members' percentages. I was only able to plot 1 Iraqi Mandean, as the other interfered with the visibility of some nearby icons. I posted the charts a little earlier than announced, due to a change in my personal schedule.

Hopefully, the publishing of some recent papers may trigger some new low k calculators on gedmatch. I guess we will have to wait and see.


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/MDLP%20K5%20E%20VS%20W%20EURASIAN%20Plot_zpsqzdhou wu.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/MDLP%20K5%20E%20VS%20W%20EURASIAN%20Plot_zpsqzdhou wu.jpg.html)


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/MDLP%20K5%20S%20ASIAN%20%20Plot_zpsdfxjhpsh.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/MDLP%20K5%20S%20ASIAN%20%20Plot_zpsdfxjhpsh.jpg.ht ml)

interesting, I presume I am the south european............it would be a first time that I am noted as south european in these types of admixture tests

vettor
02-14-2015, 08:31 PM
myself below

Population
East_Eurasian -
West_Eurasian 27.39%
Caucasian 26.80%
South_Asian 4.37%
Paleo_mediterranean 41.44%


my son below

Population
East_Eurasian 0.33%
West_Eurasian 31.11%
Caucasian 25.54%
South_Asian 2.61%
Paleo_mediterranean 40.41%



and my wife, below

Population
East_Eurasian 0.80%
West_Eurasian 30.40%
Caucasian 25.28%
South_Asian 1.67%
Paleo_mediterranean 41.85%


above is my 23andme v3 results for me

below is my ftdna ones ..............why the discrepency....anyone else find this issue of discrepency between 23andme and ftdna in these types of programs?
Population
East_Eurasian -
West_Eurasian 31.29%
Caucasian 26.11%
South_Asian 4.03%
Paleo_mediterranean 38.56%


and the top 3 ethnicities are ( not in any order ) basque, bosnian and N-italian

Wulf Warrior
02-14-2015, 08:38 PM
above is my 23andme v3 results for me

below is my ftdna ones ..............why the discrepency....anyone else find this issue of discrepency between 23andme and ftdna in these types of programs?
Population
East_Eurasian -
West_Eurasian 31.29%
Caucasian 26.11%
South_Asian 4.03%
Paleo_mediterranean 38.56%


and the top 3 ethnicities are ( not in any order ) basque, bosnian and N-italian

My FTDNA and 23AndMe Are almost the same,

FTDNA

Population
East_Eurasian 1.34%
West_Eurasian 46.14%
Caucasian 13.05%
South_Asian 1.67%
Paleo_mediterranean 37.80%

23andMe

Population
East_Eurasian 1.40%
West_Eurasian 45.93%
Caucasian 13.06%
South_Asian 1.71%
Paleo_mediterranean 37.90%

Salkin
02-14-2015, 08:39 PM
My FTDNA vs. 23andMe results are also very similar. It's very curious that yours are not, vettor.

FTDNA vs. 23andMe

East_Eurasian 1.77% / 1.89%
West_Eurasian 50.29% / 49.91%
Caucasian 10.48% / 10.45%
South_Asian 0.84% / 0.67%
Paleo_mediterranean 36.61% / 37.07%

Táltos
02-14-2015, 08:45 PM
My 23andme was pretty similar for this one too. So I only listed my FTDNA one.

BalkanKiwi
02-14-2015, 09:20 PM
Here is a plot of MDLP K5 E. vs. W. Eurasian. I was not able to include relatives as the chart became hard to read, due to some of the relatives percentages being very similar to either the member, or other members' percentages. I was only able to plot 1 Iraqi Mandean, as the other interfered with the visibility of some nearby icons. I posted the charts a little earlier than announced, due to a change in my personal schedule.

Hopefully, the publishing of some recent papers may trigger some new low k calculators on gedmatch. I guess we will have to wait and see.


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/MDLP%20K5%20E%20VS%20W%20EURASIAN%20Plot_zpsqzdhou wu.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/MDLP%20K5%20E%20VS%20W%20EURASIAN%20Plot_zpsqzdhou wu.jpg.html)


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/MDLP%20K5%20S%20ASIAN%20%20Plot_zpsdfxjhpsh.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/MDLP%20K5%20S%20ASIAN%20%20Plot_zpsdfxjhpsh.jpg.ht ml)

I seem to be quite alone out on the East vs West Euroasian plot and I have no idea why. :biggrin1:

SwampThing27
02-14-2015, 09:41 PM
I seem to be quite alone out on the East vs West Euroasian plot and I have no idea why. :biggrin1:

I think that is Randwulf who is out there below. Yours looks to be in the cluster of four.

BalkanKiwi
02-14-2015, 09:49 PM
I think that is Randwulf who is out there below. Yours looks to be in the cluster of four.

I see now. My bad. I had to squint because I don't have my glasses on. Makes more sense :)

Salkin
02-14-2015, 11:26 PM
Looking out for the western Eurasians above 50% --- Ffffreeedooommm! *shakes fist*

*ahem* No, seriously - interesting that that component is higher the more northern one is, at least going by the samples included. I guess the Norwegians didn't come by in time, but it'd be interesting to see their results, and other Nordics.

vettor
02-14-2015, 11:39 PM
My FTDNA vs. 23andMe results are also very similar. It's very curious that yours are not, vettor.

FTDNA vs. 23andMe

East_Eurasian 1.77% / 1.89%
West_Eurasian 50.29% / 49.91%
Caucasian 10.48% / 10.45%
South_Asian 0.84% / 0.67%
Paleo_mediterranean 36.61% / 37.07%

thanks

would my sons 23andme v4 phasing on gedmatch have altered by original 23andme gedmatch data?

I deffinetly know the phasing ( split view I think they call it ) in 23andme when my son joined altered my admixture about 5%- 9%..........my german/french went from 20% to 11% as an example

I do have this at bottom of my admixture
"my name" Ancestry Composition results were updated on December 21, 2014.
Results reflect phasing against one child.

Roaring
02-15-2015, 12:31 AM
East_Eurasian 5.20%
West_Eurasian 59.65%
Caucasian 13.61%
South_Asian 2.72%
Paleo_mediterranean 18.81%

SwampThing27
02-15-2015, 01:20 AM
East_Eurasian 5.20%
West_Eurasian 59.65%
Caucasian 13.61%
South_Asian 2.72%
Paleo_mediterranean 18.81%

Now that's some West Eurasian!

randwulf
02-15-2015, 01:26 AM
Here is a plot of MDLP K5 E. vs. W. Eurasian. I was not able to include relatives as the chart became hard to read, due to some of the relatives percentages being very similar to either the member, or other members' percentages. I was only able to plot 1 Iraqi Mandean, as the other interfered with the visibility of some nearby icons. I posted the charts a little earlier than announced, due to a change in my personal schedule.

Hopefully, the publishing of some recent papers may trigger some new low k calculators on gedmatch. I guess we will have to wait and see.


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/MDLP%20K5%20E%20VS%20W%20EURASIAN%20Plot_zpsqzdhou wu.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/MDLP%20K5%20E%20VS%20W%20EURASIAN%20Plot_zpsqzdhou wu.jpg.html)


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/MDLP%20K5%20S%20ASIAN%20%20Plot_zpsdfxjhpsh.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/MDLP%20K5%20S%20ASIAN%20%20Plot_zpsdfxjhpsh.jpg.ht ml)

My Paleo-Mediterranean is 42.87%. It seems like I should be further to the right on the second plot.

DMXX
02-15-2015, 03:07 AM
I realise I'm too late, but here's my data anyway in case these plots are updated at any point in the future.



East_Eurasian 10.86%
West_Eurasian 8.61%
Caucasian 52.69%
South_Asian 9.93%
Paleo_mediterranean 17.90%


Apparently more East Eurasian than West. Somewhat surprised by that. I tend to have around 4-4.5% total East Eurasian admixture on ADMIXTURE runs with higher K's (e.g. combination of all Siberian, SE Asian, E Asian etc. scores). 23andMe also pins me as around 2.1% East Eurasian.

Kurd
02-15-2015, 04:52 AM
Here are the revised plots with a couple of corrections, and with the addition of DMXX, Calamus, and Roaring. One of the limitations with this calculator is the lack of sufficient reference populations, especially from outside Europe. Hopefully the recent papers will motivate some to add more accurate low k calculators to Gedmatch.


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/MDLP%20K5%20E%20VS%20W%20EURASIAN%20Plot_zpslu1310 vh.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/MDLP%20K5%20E%20VS%20W%20EURASIAN%20Plot_zpslu1310 vh.jpg.html)

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/MDLP%20K5%20S%20ASIAN%20%20Plot_zpsnd8svols.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/MDLP%20K5%20S%20ASIAN%20%20Plot_zpsnd8svols.jpg.ht ml)

Roaring
02-15-2015, 08:21 AM
Now that's some West Eurasian!

Lithianian wrom my matches score 70.

Shaikorth
02-15-2015, 09:03 AM
Lithianian wrom my matches score 70.

That's where it peaks. The West Eurasian component in K=5 is a bit misleadingly named as it's actually "Balto-Slavic" and based on Lithuanian samples. So the closer to Lithuanians you are, the higher it is and more it absorbs other components. MDLP calculators with higher K's give more detailed breakdowns, but most of the components are really "West Eurasian".

edit.

Ancient genomes have interesting breakdowns

Kostenki14

East_Eurasian 23.00%
West_Eurasian 29.37%
Caucasian 15.39%
South_Asian 12.09%
Paleo_mediterranean 20.15%

Mal'ta

East_Eurasian 31.13%
West_Eurasian 60.76%
Caucasian -
South_Asian 8.11%
Paleo_mediterranean -

Kurd
02-15-2015, 02:46 PM
That's where it peaks. The West Eurasian component in K=5 is a bit misleadingly named as it's actually "Balto-Slavic" and based on Lithuanian samples. So the closer to Lithuanians you are, the higher it is and more it absorbs other components. MDLP calculators with higher K's give more detailed breakdowns, but most of the components are really "West Eurasian".

edit.

Ancient genomes have interesting breakdowns

Kostenki14

East_Eurasian 23.00%
West_Eurasian 29.37%
Caucasian 15.39%
South_Asian 12.09%
Paleo_mediterranean 20.15%

Mal'ta

East_Eurasian 31.13%
West_Eurasian 60.76%
Caucasian -
South_Asian 8.11%
Paleo_mediterranean -

This clearly shows the calculator's limitations for ANE or Ancient Altaic heavy admixture. The Malta example may also give us a clue to the calculator's assignment algorithm. It may look something like E. Eurasian -> S Asian -> Caucasian -> Paleo Mediterranean -> W Eurasian. Unassigned admixture being dumped into W Eurasian.

I had suspected that the E Eurasian component may be heavier ASE, then E Asian, then NE Asian. I was assigned >12% E. Eurasian, probably due to my higher ASE level. By contrast, an individual with higher ANE or NE Asian than me would probably getting less E. Eurasian than me with this calculator.

Malta shows the following using ANE K7

ANE 49.08%
ASE 11.22%
WHG-UHG 33.58%
East_Eurasian 1.54%
West_African -
East_African 4.58%
ENF -

MDLP K23 assigns 83% Ancestral Altaic to Malta.

Kotenki14, who was discovered in European Russia, and is dated at 33ky, shows the following using ANE k7:

Population
ANE 15.81%
ASE 9.27%
WHG-UHG 37.58%
East_Eurasian 6.97%
West_African 2.21%
East_African 7.44%
ENF 20.73%

Kotenki14 is assigned 8% Ancestral Altaic by MDLP k23

The other problem is the lack of NE Asian reference populations. This is clearly shown with Malta's Oracle showing Sami as his surrogate. Although mine was not accurate either, as I was assigned Turk, but apparently not as bad as Malta.

Ust Ishim's E. Eurasian assignment seems a little more accurate than Malta's, possibly due to Ust Ishim's lower ANE and higher ASE than Malta.

ANE K7

ANE 13.76%
ASE 20.60%
WHG-UHG 9.69%
East_Eurasian 17.78%
West_African 3.02%
East_African 14.90%
ENF 20.26%

MDLP k5

East_Eurasian 49.20%
West_Eurasian 4.88%
Caucasian 17.24%
South_Asian 19.27%
Paleo_mediterranean 9.41%

Also, I believe Ust Ishim fared a little better than Malta on MDLP k5, because the program had Uzbek references, which were used as surrogates for Ust Ishim. Relatively speaking, more accurate than Malta's Sami surrogates

Sapporo
02-17-2015, 07:16 PM
East_Eurasian 25.29%
West_Eurasian 17.53%
Caucasian 39.05%
South_Asian 18.11%
Paleo_mediterranean -

Not a fan of this calculator because of the East Eurasian & South Asian components seem so confusing. Also, West Eurasian peaks in NE Europe? I presume East Eurasian is soaking up some ANE for sure and South Asian some West Eurasian ancestry. Caucasian is some type of Gedrosia + Caucasus component or something to that extent?

Kurd
02-17-2015, 10:39 PM
East_Eurasian 25.29%
West_Eurasian 17.53%
Caucasian 39.05%
South_Asian 18.11%
Paleo_mediterranean -

Not a fan of this calculator because of the East Eurasian & South Asian components seem so confusing. Also, West Eurasian peaks in NE Europe? I presume East Eurasian is soaking up some ANE for sure and South Asian some West Eurasian ancestry. Caucasian is some type of Gedrosia + Caucasus component or something to that extent?

I agree. I suppose that the components could have been named differently. Also, the admixture assignment algorithm does not work well for Asians. However, the calculator cons affect the various populations in a similar fashion, more or less (more for the Asians, and less for the Europeans). Thus, some may find the plot group clustering, and distance between clusters informative to some degree. It would be nice if someone puts together a low k calculator with good Asian references and admixture assignment, preferably with some Asian genomes for us Asians :)

sweuro
02-17-2015, 11:41 PM
Me :

Population
East_Eurasian -
West_Eurasian 27.62%
Caucasian 21.54%
South_Asian 3.68%
Paleo_mediterranean 47.17%

tamilgangster
02-18-2015, 03:03 AM
It is possible that the East african component showing up in south asian populations is due to excess ANE,

vettor
02-18-2015, 05:27 AM
I agree. I suppose that the components could have been named differently. Also, the admixture assignment algorithm does not work well for Asians. However, the calculator cons affect the various populations in a similar fashion, more or less (more for the Asians, and less for the Europeans). Thus, some may find the plot group clustering, and distance between clusters informative to some degree. It would be nice if someone puts together a low k calculator with good Asian references and admixture assignment, preferably with some Asian genomes for us Asians :)

The question should be ....are we trying to find simplicity in these admixture programs ...like this one below

Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 35.50
2 Mediterranean 33.55
3 West_Asian 13.97
4 East_European 9.92
5 Southwest_Asian 5.30
6 Northwest_African 1.50


Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan @ 9.735290
2 Tuscan @ 9.917777
3 TSI @ 10.214822
4 N_Italian @ 12.499412
5 O_Italian @ 15.460661
6 Slovenian @ 17.446304
7 North_Italian @ 18.061283
8 Tuscan @ 18.669254
9 Portuguese @ 18.750456
10 Romanians_14 @ 19.140285
11 French @ 19.232992
12 French @ 19.284773
13 Hungarians @ 19.781872
14 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 20.513977
15 IBS @ 20.769533
16 C_Italian @ 21.189825
17 Spaniards @ 21.200132
18 Balkans @ 21.401640
19 Spanish @ 21.459267
20 CEU @ 21.645653

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% C_Italian +50% German @ 1.841635

BTW ...the 2 pop matches natgeno for me

OR

What maciano from Eupedia stated today that K12b seems the logic one for yamna IIRC

Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 35.91
2 North_European 28.10
3 Caucasus 20.99
4 Gedrosia 6.78
5 Southwest_Asian 6.19
6 Northwest_African 1.43


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 N_Italian @ 7.232117
2 O_Italian @ 10.282262
3 North_Italian @ 10.633726
4 TSI30 @ 12.199794
5 Tuscan @ 13.774434
6 C_Italian @ 16.037565
7 Romanians @ 16.207996
8 Baleares @ 16.422617
9 Galicia @ 17.024021
10 Bulgarian @ 17.031006
11 Bulgarians @ 17.044376
12 French @ 17.857988
13 Extremadura @ 17.871466
14 French @ 18.030190
15 Portuguese @ 18.389446
16 Murcia @ 20.184507
17 Castilla_Y_Leon @ 20.427336
18 Cataluna @ 20.448206
19 Greek @ 20.558107
20 Spaniards @ 20.774961


or the middle-east, near east weighted
HarappaWorld 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

23 April 2013 - Oracle reference population percentages revised.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 32.49
2 NE-Euro 32.28
3 Caucasian 20.13
4 Baloch 8.21
5 SW-Asian 5.89


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 italian @ 6.817736
2 romanian-a @ 11.724042
3 tuscan @ 11.845555
4 tuscan @ 12.231710
5 tuscan @ 12.757281
6 bulgarian @ 13.483592
7 spaniard @ 15.001562
8 serbian @ 15.199749
9 french @ 15.544718
10 spaniard @ 16.260679
11 hungarian @ 19.697365
12 slovenian @ 21.887278

Rukha
02-18-2015, 10:14 AM
1 Caucasian 44.35
2 East_Eurasian 21.24
3 West_Eurasian 17.69
4 South_Asian 13.34
5 Paleo_mediterranean 3.38