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Afshar
02-23-2015, 02:01 PM
38363835hi,
im a new member, always been interested in this stuff but started testing in january.
Got my FF results back (no matches yet). As you can see in my nick, saying goes our family has some afshar ancestry.
Im new to this stuff and hope somebody can enlighten me more

Hanna
02-23-2015, 02:11 PM
Where in Turkey are you from?
Upload your raw data onto gedmatch for better analysis on your results.
This is the site:

www.gedmatch.com

Kurd
02-23-2015, 02:30 PM
3834hi,

im a new member, always been interested in this stuff but started testing in january.
Got my FF results back (no matches yet). As you can see in my nick, saying goes our family has some afshar ancestry.
Im new to this stuff and hope somebody can enlighten me more

Welcome to the forum :)

If you are interested, I may be starting a thread under Autosomal next Saturday to make a Community plot of members' Myorigins results.

Edit: it seems that FTDNA is doing a good job of breaking down Middle East admixture into Asia Minor vs E. Middle East

Hanna
02-23-2015, 02:33 PM
Welcome to the forum :)
Can you post another Myorigins map showing a breakdown of your "middle east" admixture (Asia Minor vs. Eastern Middle East).
Also, if you are interested, I may be starting a thread under Autosomal next Saturday to make a Community plot of members' Myorigins results.
Could you add me and my grandparent's as well?

Afshar
02-23-2015, 02:38 PM
Where in Turkey are you from?
Upload your raw data onto gedmatch for better analysis on your results.
This is the site:

www.gedmatch.com
Central Anatolia


Welcome to the forum :)

If you are interested, I may be starting a thread under Autosomal next Saturday to make a Community plot of members' Myorigins results.
Thankyou,
First i want to figure out my own :)

Kurd
02-23-2015, 02:38 PM
Could you add me and my grandparent's as well?

Sure, just look for the thread I will be starting around next Sat under Autosomal, and post your map

Hanna
02-23-2015, 02:40 PM
Which city are you from specifically?

Afshar
02-23-2015, 02:43 PM
Im from Kayseri

Hanna
02-23-2015, 02:45 PM
Im from Kayseri

Your results seem normal for Kayseri.

Afshar
02-23-2015, 02:45 PM
I understand all shown origins more or less except for the central european thing, I have no known ancestry from Europe, maybe somebody can explain ?

Hanna
02-23-2015, 02:50 PM
I understand all shown origins more or less except for the central european thing, I have no known ancestry from Europe, maybe somebody can explain ?

Anatolian Turks and other West Asians do score some European percentages, this is not abnormal. Anatolian Turks usually score a bit higher European percentages than their neighboring West Asians, could be due to Central Asian influence.

Afshar
02-23-2015, 03:07 PM
Your results seem normal for Kayseri.
Can you explain further?

Caspian
02-23-2015, 04:36 PM
Welcome to the forum. What is your haplogroup? And are your paternal and maternal lineage belong to Afshar tribe? Do you have any Northern Caucasian ancestor? You have a little Turkic mixture.

You should upload your autosomal file to gedmatch for meaningful results.

John Doe
02-23-2015, 04:38 PM
38363835hi,
im a new member, always been interested in this stuff but started testing in january.
Got my FF results back (no matches yet). As you can see in my nick, saying goes our family has some afshar ancestry.
Im new to this stuff and hope somebody can enlighten me more

Mine are:
96% Jewish diaspora-Ashkenazi
4% European-Scandinavian.

Afshar
02-23-2015, 04:56 PM
Welcome to the forum. What is your haplogroup? And are your paternal and maternal lineage belong to Afshar tribe? Do you have any Northern Caucasian ancestor? You have a little Turkic mixture. But very little.

You should upload your autosomal file to gedmatch for meaningful results.
I have a y37 thats still running. My paternal line, but thats not confirmed fully. Maternal side could be very well anatolian indigenous.

Caspian
02-23-2015, 04:58 PM
Your Northern European mixture seems like the North Caucasus heritage, but I don't sure.

Gedmatch is best option to learn about autosomal genetic history.

You can see some gedmatch results in that topic.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3527-Post-your-Eurogenes-V2-K15-results

This is my ftdna results.

3837

This is my mom's.

3838

Frankly, FTDNA results aren't useful without the gedmatch.

Afshar
02-23-2015, 05:45 PM
Yes but it takes a long time i see now>:(
Which of those clusters are considered Turkic

Caspian
02-23-2015, 06:10 PM
There is no special component for Turkic peoples in the Gedmatch; however, all of Turkic people have East Eurasian components in the Gedmatch. That components are Siberian, Southeast Asian, East Asian, Amerindian, Arctic etc. Siberian component, especially, may have been Proto-Turkic/Altaic. Even so, Turkic peoples of steppe also have West Eurasian components (Caucasus, Gedrosia, Medterranean, North European etc.) at different frequencies because of Turkification in the steppe in early times.

For example;

Yakuts have 90-95% East Eurasian + 5-10% West Eurasian
Kazakhs have 60-65% East Eurasian + 35-40% West Eurasian
Kyrgyzs have 70% East Eurasian + 30% West Eurasian
Uyghurs and Hazara have 50% East Eurasian + 50% West Eurasian
Uzbeks have 40% East Eurasian + 60% East Eurasian
Turkmens from Afghanistan have 35% East Eurasian + 65% West Eurasian
Nogais have 25% East Eurasian + 75% West Eurasian
Turkmens from Turkmenistan have 17% East Eurasian + 83% West Eurasian
Azeris have 7% East Eurasian + 93% West Eurasian
Turks have 7% East Eurasian + 93% West Eurasian admixture in the Gedmatch calculators. Of course, these values are average.

icebreaker
02-23-2015, 06:22 PM
Hosgeldin!

I'd like to see your gedmatch results. You don't have any match because not many Turks from central anatolia have been tested. I have only one match, and that's because my 1/8 eastern black sea connection. I have waited more than a year for that single match. While a (4 grandparents) balkan turk or turk from northeastern anatolia has lots of matches (minimum 10).

My results
http://i.imgur.com/2Zq8TT7.jpg

I'm 7/8 Afyon'lu, 1/8 Trabzon'lu

Afshar
02-23-2015, 06:35 PM
Caspian thanks for the answer.

Hosbulduk icebreaker.

Seeing both your results i wonder whats with mine new world and finland origin. Most Turks seem to have central and northeast asia, while i have no central asia. Am curious for the gedmatch result but loading takes ages

icebreaker
02-23-2015, 06:45 PM
New world = amerindian/native american=> proto-turkic (?)
I have seen many turkish results, finland/northern siberia is not very aytpical for turks. If i remember correct a person from afyon and another from kayseri/mersin had also finland/northern siberia. Anyway, gedmatch will provide you more information about your ancestry.

Caspian
02-23-2015, 06:45 PM
^ Probably, Pashtun, Burusho and Balochi are reference populations for Central Asian/Eurasian Heartland component at FTDNA and Gedmatch calculators.

Shaikorth
02-23-2015, 06:54 PM
There is no special component for Turkic peoples in the Gedmatch; however, all of Turkic people have East Eurasian components in the Gedmatch. That components are Siberian, Southeast Asian, East Asian, Amerindian, Arctic etc. Siberian component, especially, may have been Proto-Turkic/Altaic. Even so, Turkic peoples of steppe also have West Eurasian components (Caucasus, Gedrosia, Medterranean, North European etc.) at different frequencies because of Turkification in the steppe in early times.


According to Yunusbayev et al. preprint "The Genetic Legacy of the Expansion of Turkic-Speaking Nomads Across Eurasia", it is possible to create components that can be track Turkic expansions using ADMIXTURE but one has to be aware of the software's limits.

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2014/08/13/005850.DC2/005850-1.pdf

Most turkic speakers have the yellow component that appears at K=4 but this is not accurate enough since it's maximized in South China region and is not present in Chuvash.
The component maximized in Yakuts at K=8 is another good indicator and excludes many non-turkic populations.
The orange component that appears at K=9 and is maximized in Tuvans, Buryats and Mongols is probably the best and also appears in Chuvash. However it excludes Yakuts who get their own component, probably due to bottlenecks and mixing with paleo-siberian and tungusic speakers separating them from other turkics.

DMXX
02-23-2015, 06:56 PM
Two thoughts to consider when approaching this issue;

1) Different Turkish groups probably had their own unique genetic signatures, in keeping with their seemingly inclusive and diffusal expansion pattern. For instance, the Oghuz likely had quite a bit more West Asian and/or Gedrosian compared to Kypchak groups, who probably had quite a bit of North Euro by the time they were historically documented by outsiders. Another example is as Shaikorth mentioned (Yakuts), whom we know (from the linguistic evidence) mixed extensively with indigenous Siberian groups (which should dissuade anyone from considering them a surrogate for what the proto-Turks would have looked genetically).

2) In West Asia, it's pretty clear that several waves of Turkish speakers arrived at different points in time. In Iran, for instance, it appears (based on the linguistic data) that the speakers of Khalaj (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalaj_language_%28Turkic%29) arrived in the Iranian plateau before the Oghuz had. Connecting this point with the above, it's therefore likely (in my opinion) that each wave also possessed differences.

We (people with Turkish speaking heritage) therefore have to employ a bit of flexibility in interpreting these components until some ancient DNA from relevant remains are retrieved. What does seem intuitive is considering any East Eurasian related admixture among Turks, Azeris, Iranians (Turkic-speaking or otherwise) and other populations in the region (I'm sure some Armenians will register a few percent of this) as the primary signal of Turkish admixture.

Afshar
02-24-2015, 07:51 AM
Does anybody know which reference population is used for Anatolia?

Shaikorth
02-24-2015, 08:22 AM
Does anybody know which reference population is used for Anatolia?

Armenians.

Afshar
02-24-2015, 08:53 AM
Aah that makes some sense.

vettor
02-24-2015, 09:49 AM
I still cannot understand how I went 100% european in the old system to
myOrigins numbers of:
European 78%
Western and Central Europe 47%
Southern Europe 22%
Eastern Europe 9%

Anatolian 22%

Unless the old system had Anatolian marked as European for the calculated year 0BC

BalkanKiwi
02-24-2015, 10:54 AM
I still cannot understand how I went 100% european in the old system to
myOrigins numbers of:
European 78%
Western and Central Europe 47%
Southern Europe 22%
Eastern Europe 9%

Anatolian 22%

Unless the old system had Anatolian marked as European for the calculated year 0BC

At least you get some Southern Europe unlike myself. I still have no idea why but I get the impression MyOrigins isn't accurate (within reason) for a few people.

Out of interest:

87% European

British Isles 31%
Scandinavia 28%
Western and Central Europe 25%
Eastern European 3%

Middle Eastern 8%
Asia Minor 8%

Jewish Diaspora 6%

Shaikorth
02-24-2015, 11:08 AM
I still cannot understand how I went 100% european in the old system to
myOrigins numbers of:
European 78%
Western and Central Europe 47%
Southern Europe 22%
Eastern Europe 9%

Anatolian 22%

Unless the old system had Anatolian marked as European for the calculated year 0BC

The old Population Finder had different reference populations for Europe and no references from Anatolia. The current South European is based on Italian and Spanish references but I have no idea where in Italy the Italian reference is from. They took out Tuscans and Romanians, replaced Orcadians with more regular British, Scots and Irish, and added Scandinavians, Lithuanians and various Slavic populations. If you had lots of Tuscan and/or Romanian previously, it's possible that you're more West Asian-shifted that can be covered by MyOrigins European references and Armenians are a better proxy for that part of your ancestry.

Kurd
02-24-2015, 11:23 AM
I still cannot understand how I went 100% european in the old system to
myOrigins numbers of:
European 78%
Western and Central Europe 47%
Southern Europe 22%
Eastern Europe 9%

Anatolian 22%

Unless the old system had Anatolian marked as European for the calculated year 0BC

I assume that by Anatolia you mean Asian Minor. Razib Khan, who wrote the article on FTDNA MyOrigins states the following:

"The Asia Minor group is present from South Asia, Turkey, the Caucasus, and along the shores of the Mediterranean Sea. It was home to early
hunter-gatherers and farmers. It has a deep history and connects to many lineages. It is the mark of those who moved east to west, and back again,
along what would become the Silk Road. The Asia Minor group is connected to the oldest groups of modern humans. As early humans left Africa,
they settled in this area. The hunter-gatherers were eventually replaced by the first farmers.

Early recorded history confirms several cultures lived in this area and left their mark, such as the Phrygians, the Hurrians, the Hittites, the Hatti, and
the Armenians. Later, the Turks swept down from Asia and brought people from the Asian Northeast group. Likewise, the Arab expansion brought
members of the Eastern Eastern Middle East group to the southern borders of the Asia Minor. We find that it is the strongest in Turks from the Fertile
Crescent and people from the Caucasus. Closed social groups, such as the Druze and Assyrians, also have clear signatures of the Asia Minor group,
suggesting that their genes are native to the region."

evon
02-24-2015, 02:52 PM
https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/family-finder-pages/myorigins-methodology/


6 Table of reference populations

Population N Population N
Armenian 46 Lithuanian 6
Ashkenazi 60 Masai 140
British 39 Mbuti 15
Burmese 8 Moroccan 7
Cambodian 26 Mozabite 24
Danish 13 Norwegian 17
Filipino 20 Pashtun 33
Finnish 49 Polish 35
French 17 Portuguese 25
German 17 Russian 41
Gujarati 31 Saudi 19
Iraqi 12 Scottish 43
Irish 45 Slovakian 12
Italian 30 Spanish 124
Japanese 147 Surui 21
Karitiana 23 Swedish 33
Korean 15 Ukrainian 10
Kuwaiti 14 Yoruba 136

Afshar
02-24-2015, 04:53 PM
Just received the matches. All 5th cousins. Two armenian ones with 25 cm, one ukrainian of 33cm and three People in between with english surnames. How serious should i take these matches?

J1 DYS388=13
02-24-2015, 05:15 PM
As you see, you definitely share some DNA with them, but the relationship is very distant.

What's the Ukrainian surname?

Afshar
02-24-2015, 05:31 PM
Its Glad, but hé is also from.Belarus..interrsting

J1 DYS388=13
02-24-2015, 05:50 PM
And what are the English surnames?

Afshar
02-24-2015, 06:12 PM
Ackermann (german) anderson and collier

J1 DYS388=13
02-24-2015, 06:45 PM
A mystery.

Is there any reason foreigners might have been in Kayseri in the 18th or 19th century?

Afshar
02-24-2015, 07:22 PM
I think its rather some ancient celtic thing

J1 DYS388=13
02-24-2015, 07:34 PM
I believe Family Finder can't read any matches beyond about 7 generations.

Afshar
02-24-2015, 10:53 PM
Thats odd then, i also can pair some of these matches because we share the same segments?

Afshar
02-25-2015, 11:56 AM
Finally got along with gedmatch

MDLP K23b Admixture Proportions

Population
Amerindian 1.80%
Ancestral_Altaic 3.70%
South_Central_Asian 15.64%
Arctic -
South_Indian 2.81%
Australoid 0.21%
Austronesian 1.04%
Caucasian 40.19%
Archaic_Human 0.06%
East_African -
East_Siberian 0.87%
European_Early_Farmers 8.27%
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African -
Near_East 12.68%
North_African 1.91%
Paleo_Siberian -
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic 4.85%
European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.97%

Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions

Population
North_Atlantic 4.37%
Baltic 6.34%
West_Med 10.95%
West_Asian 33.29%
East_Med 26.77%
Red_Sea 5.76%
South_Asian 3.97%
East_Asian 2.55%
Siberian 4.10%
Amerindian 1.68%
Oceanian 0.21%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad V3 Admixture Proportions

Population
East_European 3.52%
West_European 9.31%
Mediterranean 24.49%
Neo_African -
West_Asian 36.86%
South_Asian 5.49%
Northeast_Asian 3.61%
Southeast_Asian 4.25%
East_African 0.79%
Southwest_Asian 11.55%
Northwest_African -
Palaeo_African 0.13%

HarappaWorld Admixture Proportions

Population
S-Indian 1.95%
Baloch 16.19%
Caucasian 41.87%
NE-Euro 9.55%
SE-Asian 0.58%
Siberian 3.53%
NE-Asian 2.99%
Papuan 0.30%
American 1.16%
Beringian 0.30%
Mediterranean 8.85%
SW-Asian 12.52%
San -
E-African -
Pygmy 0.20%
W-African

I hope someone can clear this up for me, because I am still novice with this stuff

Afshar
02-25-2015, 12:42 PM
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 33.29
2 East_Med 26.77
3 West_Med 10.95
4 Baltic 6.34
5 Red_Sea 5.76
6 North_Atlantic 4.37
7 Siberian 4.1
8 South_Asian 3.97
9 East_Asian 2.55
10 Amerindian 1.68
11 Oceanian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 4.59
2 Azeri 5.65
3 Kurdish 9.93
4 Georgian_Jewish 11.16
5 Armenian 11.19
6 Iranian 11.2
7 Kumyk 12.94
8 Assyrian 13.04
9 Turkmen 14.71
10 Iranian_Jewish 15.97
11 Kurdish_Jewish 16.02
12 Balkar 16.31
13 Adygei 16.44
14 Lebanese_Muslim 16.86
15 Kabardin 17.47
16 Georgian 17.67
17 Syrian 17.72
18 Ossetian 18.13
19 North_Ossetian 18.62
20 Abhkasian 19.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.7% Georgian_Jewish + 33.3% Nogay @ 2.91
2 78.6% Turkish + 21.4% Kumyk @ 3.06
3 83.5% Turkish + 16.5% Kabardin @ 3.09
4 82.6% Turkish + 17.4% Adygei @ 3.09
5 84.4% Turkish + 15.6% North_Ossetian @ 3.09
6 82.7% Turkish + 17.3% Balkar @ 3.16
7 59.8% Balkar + 40.2% Samaritan @ 3.31
8 50.9% Balkar + 49.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.36
9 52.2% Balkar + 47.8% Syrian @ 3.37
10 86.7% Turkish + 13.3% Chechen @ 3.41
11 85.4% Turkish + 14.6% Ossetian @ 3.45
12 63.2% Assyrian + 36.8% Nogay @ 3.46
13 59.2% Balkar + 40.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.51
14 87.6% Turkish + 12.4% Lezgin @ 3.54
15 85.5% Turkish + 14.5% Georgian @ 3.54
16 86.8% Turkish + 13.2% Abhkasian @ 3.55
17 57.4% Kabardin + 42.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.57
18 83.1% Armenian + 16.9% Mari @ 3.65
19 65.7% Kumyk + 34.3% Samaritan @ 3.68
20 89.3% Turkish + 10.7% Tabassaran @ 3.69

Afshar
02-25-2015, 12:46 PM
Dodecad K12b Admixture Proportions

Population
Gedrosia 15.37%
Siberian 3.86%
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.96%
Atlantic_Med 11.11%
North_European 9.09%
South_Asian 2.23%
East_African 0.39%
Southwest_Asian 13.30%
East_Asian 3.25%
Caucasus 40.44%
Sub_Saharan -

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 40.44
2 Gedrosia 15.37
3 Southwest_Asian 13.3
4 Atlantic_Med 11.11
5 North_European 9.09
6 Siberian 3.86
7 East_Asian 3.25
8 South_Asian 2.23
9 Southeast_Asian 0.96
10 East_African 0.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turks (Behar) 5.96
2 Turkish (Dodecad) 6.82
3 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 10.84
4 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 13.79
5 Lebanese (Behar) 13.87
6 Kurd (Dodecad) 14.02
7 Iranian (Dodecad) 14.13
8 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 14.42
9 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 14.99
10 Assyrian (Dodecad) 15.36
11 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 15.91
12 Armenian (Dodecad) 15.95
13 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 16.3
14 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 16.43
15 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 16.52
16 Iranians (Behar) 16.77
17 Druze (HGDP) 16.82
18 Syrians (Behar) 16.86
19 Cypriots (Behar) 17
20 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 18.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.7% Cypriots (Behar) + 47.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.16
2 77.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 22.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.36
3 88.8% Turks (Behar) + 11.2% Yemenese (Behar) @ 4.42
4 93.5% Turks (Behar) + 6.5% Saudis (Behar) @ 4.47
5 91.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 8.7% Makrani (HGDP) @ 4.55
6 94.5% Turks (Behar) + 5.5% Khasi (Chaubey) @ 4.58
7 92.5% Turkish (Dodecad) + 7.5% Brahui (HGDP) @ 4.6
8 89.8% Turks (Behar) + 10.2% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 4.6
9 91.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 8.2% Balochi (HGDP) @ 4.63
10 65% Cypriots (Behar) + 35% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.64
11 93.6% Turks (Behar) + 6.4% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 4.66
12 81.4% Turks (Behar) + 18.6% Syrians (Behar) @ 4.68
13 86.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 13.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.76
14 91.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 8.2% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 4.77
15 76.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 23.2% Iranians (Behar) @ 4.77
16 94.1% Turks (Behar) + 5.9% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 4.77
17 94.7% Turks (Behar) + 5.3% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 4.78
18 90.6% Turkish (Dodecad) + 9.4% Burusho (HGDP) @ 4.81
19 95% Turks (Behar) + 5% Burmanese (Chaubey) @ 4.81
20 89.2% Turks (Behar) + 10.8% Egyptans (Behar) @ 4.81

icebreaker
02-25-2015, 02:26 PM
Your Southwest_Asian is a bit higher than the Turkish average. Other than that it looks textbook central anatolian.

Afshar
02-25-2015, 02:56 PM
When speaking of Southwest asian, which population is referred to?

icebreaker
02-25-2015, 03:04 PM
You should compare your results with turks and other people around us(armenians,assyrians,greeks,georgians etc). Take a look at the population averages. I can't find them now, but i'm sure someone will provide the link.

I think armenians and iranics have higher soutwest_asian than turks/greeks. I'm not sure though. I can't check it right now.

Afshar
02-27-2015, 09:49 AM
Seems I have 2 matches with same segments, one is from Belarus/Ukraine, and the other from the US (with all known ancestors to 1850s from the US except for some Swedish). I know I have some amount of Armenian input on maternal lines, could these matches be connected somehow (armenians emigrating from Turkey in the war?). And what is the timespan if FF says 5th to remote cousin, 1800-1900?

Afshar
03-02-2015, 04:49 PM
Yesterday I found a gedmatch match of about 9cM, of both a Turkish mother and daughter, with a more fair amount of Siberian and east asian input. But the thing is they dont match on ftdna. Can i take this seriously?

dp
03-02-2015, 05:52 PM
Yesterday I found a gedmatch match of about 9cM, of both a Turkish mother and daughter, with a more fair amount of Siberian and east asian input. But the thing is they dont match on ftdna. Can i take this seriously?
Dear Afshar,
If the sharing is from multiple segments is could be that the length of the longest segment was too low to get through the FTDNA minimums.
If I read the latest IBD stats correctly, there's only a 53% chance of being a genetic match at 9cM.
dp :-)
PS: have you run the matching kit through the one-to-one comparison util?

Afshar
03-02-2015, 06:03 PM
Dear Afshar,
If the sharing is from multiple segments is could be that the length of the longest segment was too low to get through the FTDNA minimums.
If I read the latest IBD stats correctly, there's only a 53% chance of being a genetic match at 9cM.
dp :-)
PS: have you run the matching kit through the one-to-one comparison util?
Yes I did and both match, mother some more than the daughter, and the father nothing at all. Geographically the match could be, both central anatolia but different provinces. Its the only Turkish match i have :)

Afshar
03-22-2015, 01:42 PM
Got my ydna results today as Q m242.
Guess the oral stories about my ancestry were correct.
Somebody know which snps may be interesting for further testing?

DMXX
03-22-2015, 01:54 PM
Congratulations! Though I should caution against interpreting every form of Y-DNA Q in Turkey as inextricably linked to the Oghuz. This (conflation of any uniparental marker more frequently observed east of Turkey with the Turkish migrations) is a common pitfall in both genetic genealogy circles and even in academia. For example, Gokcumen et al. observed a high frequency of Y-DNA L in one central Anatolian village and inferred it was related to the Afshars (if I remember correctly). After checking out the haplotypes, it was readily apparent the high frequency was the result of a founder effect and belonged to an L1b haplotype that broadly paired with Armenian samples. L1b is in itself, going by modern distributions, quite West Asian in character. Thus, the inference it originates from Central Asia is patently false.

I blogged about West Asian Y-DNA Q some years back (http://vaedhya.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/west-asian-y-dna-haplogroup-q-turkish.html). Certain aspects of the entry are no doubt outdated now, but I'm fairly confident the summary is still applicable. Have been planning on revisiting the Y-DNA Q topic for a while now.

I'd be happy to look over your STR's and compare with the phylogenetic clusters showcased in that entry. I concluded based on the evidence at my disposal in 2012 the following:



In summary, Y-DNA Haplogroup Q1a-MEH2 (likely Q1a2-M25 based on anecdotal SNP evidence) is a convincing Medieval Central Asian Turkish genetic marker based specifically on its' ability to form multi-ethnic clusters in regions with a historical Turkish connection. Q1b-M378, on the other hand, generally displays enough regionalisation and cluster depth to make such an association doubtful at best, with the sole exception being those who belong to the a genetic group highlighted in this entry (Cluster C) with DYS385a=14 and DYS448=20.

Táltos
03-22-2015, 05:31 PM
Got my ydna results today as Q m242.
Guess the oral stories about my ancestry were correct.
Somebody know which snps may be interesting for further testing?

Afshar,
Congrats on being a Q! :) If you haven't already done so please join FTDNA's Haplogroup Q project. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/y-dna-q/about/background

One of the knowledgeable administrators can look at your haplotype and recommend which SNPs for you. You can also ask questions on the activity feed for the group. DMXX is very knowledgeable too for him to look at your markers.

Afshar
03-22-2015, 05:37 PM
Thanks both.
I did already join a couple of groups to see where i fit in best.
Sad thing is on ftdna and even ysearch no matches at all.

Táltos
03-22-2015, 05:38 PM
Thanks both.
I did already join a couple of groups to see where i fit in best.
Sad thing is on ftdna and even ysearch no matches at all.

You must have a rare haplotype! I wonder if Big Y will be suggested for you?

lgmayka
03-22-2015, 05:54 PM
Sad thing is on ftdna and even ysearch no matches at all.
Can you give us your kit number (if you are on any project's public spreadsheet) and/or Ysearch ID?

Afshar
03-23-2015, 12:57 PM
Got an extra paper trail today (Aziziye Kayseri), known as an Afshar village, but also inhabited by many Circassians.
I even think its the same village Gokcumen et al has investigated in his paper.

Caspian
03-23-2015, 02:37 PM
Got my ydna results today as Q m242.
Guess the oral stories about my ancestry were correct.
Somebody know which snps may be interesting for further testing?

Is it Q1a or Q1b? What is your str haplotypes?

If it is Q1b, I think it isn't a Turkic-Siberian branch. It seems as native and founder haplogroup in West and South Asia.
If it is Q1a, it can be Hunnic branch.

Afshar
03-23-2015, 05:54 PM
Thanks to Dmx I know its Q1a.
Also after joining the q project I see now they placed me in the q m25 list.

lgmayka
03-23-2015, 06:30 PM
Also after joining the q project I see now they placed me in the q m25 list.
Just for clarification: The Q Project (https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/y-dna-q/dna-results) is a closed project--nonmembers cannot even see the Y-STR results, much less the Y-SNP results. Shockingly, there is no open project for members of Y-DNA Q--I am surprised that FTDNA has not yet commissioned one.

Thus, forum members are still unable to comment on your results, because we cannot see them.

However, three subsets of haplogroup Q have open projects:
Q Nordic (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/qnordic?iframe=yresults)
Q1a3a1 Amerindian (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Amerind%20Y/default.aspx?section=yresults)
Q-L712 (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/ydna-q-l712/default.aspx?section=yresults)

Note that Q-L712 is a subclade of Q-M25 (http://yfull.com/tree/Q-M25/). YFull lists one M25+ L712- from Northern Ireland, and will soon list a second, of Swedish patrilineage.

Afshar
03-24-2015, 11:04 AM
There are not much Turks in that group (except for Armenian Turks), and also not much "Turkic" people, but maybe in the future it will increase.
I ordered a M25 SNP test today and will keep this topic updated then.

Afshar
03-26-2015, 07:38 AM
Will it be useful to upgrade to 67 markers (altough I have no matches now), or just take the SNP test to verify the subclade?

Kaido
03-26-2015, 08:37 AM
Will it be useful to upgrade to 67 markers (altough I have no matches now), or just take the SNP test to verify the subclade?

No point upgrading if you have no matches I guess, I'd go with the SNP test.

lgmayka
03-26-2015, 08:54 AM
Will it be useful to upgrade to 67 markers (altough I have no matches now), or just take the SNP test to verify the subclade?
If you have no matches, you may want to save up your money for an eventual Big Y during a discount sale. (There are $100-off coupons floating around right now.)

Afshar
03-31-2015, 12:21 PM
Looks like I did something stupid when using Ysearch. Have some hits now, top one is 16markers compared GD of 6. Can I take this seriously or is the comparation too weak.

Hanna
03-31-2015, 05:45 PM
Afshar, would you share your Gedmatch ID for comparison?

Afshar
04-15-2015, 08:11 AM
My snp test came in yesterday as positive for m25. It states that its found in populations in Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Pakistan.

Afshar
04-20-2015, 12:12 PM
Funny that my Eurogenes K13 results give a lot of Balkar percentage, and it happens I see a big cluster of Balkar people that are positive for m25.

halildemirezen
04-28-2015, 09:55 PM
Hello from Turkey, I am E-M84 on Y-SNP with CTS1096 ordered recently. I have MyOrigins completed today.

I am %72 asia minor, %2 north africa, %20 european (%12 scandaniava, %4 central europe %4 east europe) and %5 for east asia.

I am a bit surprised with %20 european especially %12 scandinavia presence...

halildemirezen
04-28-2015, 09:57 PM
Here is my eurogenes K13 results,

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 26.66
2 East_Med 26.4
3 West_Med 11.88
4 Baltic 10.11
5 North_Atlantic 7.8
6 Siberian 6.16
7 Red_Sea 4.31
8 South_Asian 2.52
9 East_Asian 2.36
10 Northeast_African 1.17
11 Sub-Saharan 0.33
12 Amerindian 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 7.45
2 Azeri 11.39
3 Turkmen 15.97
4 Kumyk 16.08
5 Georgian_Jewish 16.62
6 Kurdish 16.69
7 Central_Greek 16.89
8 Assyrian 17.09
9 Lebanese_Muslim 17.15
10 Armenian 17.2


I am a newbie for GedMatch, but why is there so many tests and why do the test give minor differences? my gedmatch kit is F353539

icebreaker
04-28-2015, 10:07 PM
Welcome!

Where in Turkey are you from?

Anabasis
04-28-2015, 10:12 PM
Halil, you seems from western Turkey, with some balkanic roots. am i right?

halildemirezen
04-28-2015, 10:12 PM
Currently Istanbul, mother is from Aydin, father is from Beysehir, Konya. I grew up in Izmir.

halildemirezen
04-28-2015, 10:15 PM
I do not remember ones. But, My grandad's mom from father side was blonde. And also my grandad from mother side was also blonde. I believe those
blondeness came from proably balkanic slavic.. But believe me our family does not remember a balkanic origin directly.

Anabasis
04-28-2015, 10:24 PM
I do not remember ones. But, My grandad's mom from father side was blonde. And also my grandad from mother side was also blonde. I believe those
blondeness came from proably balkanic slavic.. But believe me our family does not remember a balkanic origin directly.

There are many blonde people in central anatolia. thus it might be not related with balkans that your father side grand mother is blonde.

halildemirezen
04-28-2015, 10:26 PM
http://www.demirezen.net/photos/myorigins.jpg

halildemirezen
04-28-2015, 10:28 PM
There are many blonde people in central anatolia. thus it might be not related with balkans that your father side grand mother is blonde.

probably. But yes it is right that I am from western Turkey besides Aydin, Beysehir is also in closer to western turkey.

basmaci
04-28-2015, 10:31 PM
hello people :)
http://i.hizliresim.com/EYl2l8.jpg
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 24.97
2 East_Med 24.4
3 West_Med 11.34
4 North_Atlantic 10.73
5 Baltic 9.23
6 Siberian 6.11
7 East_Asian 4.58
8 South_Asian 3.2
9 Red_Sea 2.52
10 Amerindian 1.36
11 Oceanian 1.02
12 Northeast_African 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 9.55
2 Azeri 13.18
3 Turkmen 14.74
4 Central_Greek 16.4
5 Kumyk 16.82
6 East_Sicilian 17.32
7 Italian_Abruzzo 17.77
8 Nogay 17.99
9 South_Italian 18.09
10 Ashkenazi 18.79
11 Greek_Thessaly 18.82
12 Kurdish 18.85
13 Iranian 19.55
14 Lebanese_Muslim 19.57
15 Armenian 19.82
16 Georgian_Jewish 19.83
17 Assyrian 20.03
18 Balkar 20.05
19 West_Sicilian 20.46
20 Syrian 20.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.8% Turkmen + 47.2% Central_Greek @ 3.32
2 54.3% Turkmen + 45.7% East_Sicilian @ 3.86
3 79.2% Turkish + 20.8% Tatar @ 3.86
4 85.5% Turkish + 14.5% La_Brana-1 @ 4.21
5 85.5% Turkish + 14.5% East_Finnish @ 4.49
6 53.6% Nogay + 46.4% Cyprian @ 4.49
7 55.5% Turkmen + 44.5% South_Italian @ 4.5
8 83.3% Turkish + 16.7% Chuvash @ 4.52
9 85.4% Turkish + 14.6% Finnish @ 4.52
10 56.6% Turkmen + 43.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.61
11 85.2% Turkish + 14.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.64
12 55.7% Nogay + 44.3% Italian_Jewish @ 4.64
13 56.6% Turkmen + 43.4% Ashkenazi @ 4.67
14 55.1% Turkmen + 44.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.69
15 53.9% Nogay + 46.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.73
16 84.5% Turkish + 15.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.76
17 58.8% Turkmen + 41.2% West_Sicilian @ 4.78
18 84.5% Turkish + 15.5% Mari @ 4.79
19 56.4% Nogay + 43.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.85
20 86% Turkish + 14% Estonian @ 4.87

Anabasis
04-28-2015, 10:31 PM
Its very interesting that you have %2 North African . African components has been found in South West Anatolia. In Cinnioğlu 2004 there were some several YDNA haplogroup A in Aegean Region.

Anabasis
04-28-2015, 10:34 PM
Basmaci. Do you have some Yoruk roots? Or Turkmen may be?

Anabasis
04-28-2015, 10:36 PM
Here is mine btw.

4436

basmaci
04-28-2015, 10:37 PM
Basmaci. Do you have some Yoruk roots? Or Turkmen may be?
i'm from Bolu west Blacksea. yes my most distant ancestor is Türkmen

halildemirezen
04-28-2015, 10:38 PM
Its very interesting that you have %2 North African . African components has been found in South West Anatolia. In Cinnioğlu 2004 there were some several YDNA haplogroup A in Aegean Region.

Yes really, Probably during the empires period, some mixture happened.

halildemirezen
04-28-2015, 10:41 PM
i'm from Bolu west Blacksea. yes my most distant ancestor is Türkmen

Turkmens statistically have more european mixture compared to the local turks. Because there became a mixture between mongoloids with europoids before turkic migration.

Anabasis
04-28-2015, 10:42 PM
i'm from Bolu west Blacksea. yes my most distant ancestor is Türkmen

Have you tested YDNA Basmacı?

halildemirezen
04-28-2015, 10:42 PM
Here is mine btw.

4436

Anabasis you are totally son of this land :)

basmaci
04-28-2015, 10:44 PM
Have you tested YDNA Basmacı?
i'm in batch 614, sadly i whait still for that :(

Magnetic
04-28-2015, 10:49 PM
muh origins :p

Anabasis
04-28-2015, 10:49 PM
Turkmens statistically have more european mixture compared to the local turks. Because there became a mixture between mongoloids with europoids before turkic migration.

Actually there were 2 type of turkic migration. One is from east by turkmen and Yoruks the other one is from west like Pecheneg, Tatar and gagauz like balkanic Turkic tribes. Eastern ones carried South Central Asian (Iranic) components with them, second wave carried some Eastern European components. What i see in basmaci is South Central Asian components are more dominant then european ones. European side of basmaci might not related with turkic components as far as Eastern European effect is so low, but southern european is much more higher.

basmaci
04-28-2015, 10:56 PM
Actually there were 2 type of turkic migration. One is from east by turkmen and Yoruks the other one is from west like Pecheneg, Tatar and gagauz like balkanic Turkic tribes. Eastern ones carried South Central Asian (Iranic) components with them, second wave carried some Eastern European components. What i see in basmaci is South Central Asian components are more dominant then european ones. European side of basmaci might not related with turkic components as far as Eastern European effect is so low, but southern european is much more higher.
must be a connection between Turkics and Uralics, cause the only euro element what i get from gedmatch are the finnics

Ashina
04-28-2015, 10:59 PM
I don't remember exactly who's raw data I uploaded to ftDNA so this is either mine, or my grandmother's results. But our results are very similar anyway:

http://i.imgur.com/FSaRGbb.png

We are Turks from Northern Adana.

Anabasis
04-28-2015, 11:02 PM
I don't remember exactly who's raw data I uploaded to ftDNA so this is either mine, or my grandmother's results. But our results are very similar anyway:

http://i.imgur.com/FSaRGbb.png

We are Turks from Northern Adana.

Great results. Let me guess. Are your grandmother Kozan?

halildemirezen
04-28-2015, 11:03 PM
I don't remember exactly who's raw data I uploaded to ftDNA so this is either mine, or my grandmother's results. But our results are very similar anyway:

http://i.imgur.com/FSaRGbb.png

We are Turks from Northern Adana.


Anabasis, what am I ? Mine is a bit different from those friends (Ashina and basmaci) :)

Ashina
04-28-2015, 11:03 PM
Great results. Let me guess. Are your grandmother Kozan?
Yeah, we are all from Kozan (originally from the Feke-Saimbeyli region tho). How did you know? Do I know you from 23andme perhaps?

Magnetic
04-28-2015, 11:06 PM
Ashina whats the Name of that test ?

Anabasis
04-28-2015, 11:07 PM
Yeah, we are all from Kozan (originally from the Feke-Saimbeyli region tho). How did you know? Do I know you from 23andme perhaps?

Lol . You dont know me. But i know the stats. I just guessed it. You said north of the Adana. I just guess it. While you have high Eastern Asian you have absent in Eastern European. It shows much more eastern shift of Turkic tribes which fits with Kozan like people.

icebreaker
04-28-2015, 11:08 PM
My results
http://i.imgur.com/2Zq8TT7.jpg

halildemirezen
04-28-2015, 11:08 PM
what i spot here is that both basmaci and Ashina has South / Central Asian, which I lack...

Ashina
04-28-2015, 11:11 PM
Lol . You dont know me. But i know the stats. I just guessed it. You said north of the Adana. I just guess it. While you have high Eastern Asian you have absent in Eastern European. It shows much more eastern shift of Turkic tribes which fits with Kozan like people.

I guess my Eastern European is showing up as Scandinavian. I doubt I have actual Scando ancestry.

Do you know of other Kozanli people on ftDNA, gedmatch etc? So far I've only seen one so I am quite curious.

Anabasis
04-28-2015, 11:12 PM
Halil as i said you, i thought you might have some Balkan roots but i am not sure so far. You have much more native Anatolian or native Aegean roots then basmacı and ashina.

Ashina
04-28-2015, 11:14 PM
Ashina whats the Name of that test ?

My origins. 23andme'den ftDNA'ya raw data'mi aktardim.

halildemirezen
04-28-2015, 11:15 PM
Halil as i said you, i thought you might have some Balkan roots but i am not sure so far. You have much more native Anatolian or native Aegean roots then basmacı and ashina.

Thanks in advance. I am logging off ppl. Too late for tonite. See you all tomorrow. You middle-easteners :)

Magnetic
04-28-2015, 11:17 PM
My origins. 23andme'den ftDNA'ya raw data'mi aktardim.

ben hic anlamiyorum bu seylerden acikcasi

bende testler yapmak istiyorum

muh origins

Ashina
04-28-2015, 11:17 PM
I am Horasanli, dude. Not your average MENA. B)

Iyi geceler.

Ashina
04-28-2015, 11:19 PM
ben hic anlamiyorum bu seylerden acikcasi

bende testler yapmak istiyorum

muh origins

23andme yaptirsana. You are from Germany you should have done it already!

Magnetic
04-28-2015, 11:19 PM
I am also partially from Horasan :) thats what my moms uncle told her and she told me ^_^

Ashina
04-28-2015, 11:20 PM
I am also partially from Horasan :) thats what my moms uncle told her and she told me ^_^

I know, hemso! ;)

jesus
04-29-2015, 01:16 AM
what i spot here is that both basmaci and Ashina has South / Central Asian, which I lack...

The central asian component in FTDNA is based on Pashtun results, including the member Sein as far as I remember.

Afshar
04-29-2015, 06:40 AM
Nice, boost of Turkish members! The more the better

Afshar
04-29-2015, 07:33 AM
what i spot here is that both basmaci and Ashina has South / Central Asian, which I lack...

You are not the only one, I also got nothing. It just means you are not matching their reference population for South/Central Asia.

I don't remember exactly who's raw data I uploaded to ftDNA so this is either mine, or my grandmother's results. But our results are very similar anyway:

http://i.imgur.com/FSaRGbb.png

We are Turks from Northern Adana.

Can you share some gedmatch results with us?

Ashina
04-29-2015, 01:54 PM
Can you share some gedmatch results with us?

MDLP k23b

Grandmother

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.58
2 South_Central_Asian 12.35
3 European_Early_Farmers 9.92
4 Near_East 9.46
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 6.94
6 Tungus-Altaic 6.70
7 East_Siberian 5.54
8 Ancestral_Altaic 4.33
9 South_Indian 4.04
10 Austronesian 1.13


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Aydin @ 7.591205
2 Turk @ 9.458851
3 Turk_Balikesir @ 9.705758
4 Turk_Istanbul @ 10.065597
5 Turk_Kayseri @ 10.941742
6 Turk_Adana @ 10.948390
7 Georgian_Jew @ 14.641994
8 Azov_Greek @ 14.714152
9 Nogai @ 15.205794
10 Azeri @ 15.456046
11 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 15.922905
12 Cirkassian @ 16.160828
13 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 16.179829
14 Kurd_North @ 16.225662
15 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 16.395628
16 Syrian_Jew @ 16.922066
17 Assyrian_Iraqi @ 17.026976
18 Cretan @ 17.050903
19 Iraki @ 17.130402
20 Iraqi_Chaldean @ 17.263571

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriot +50% Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 6.786924

Me

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.04
2 South_Central_Asian 11.82
3 European_Early_Farmers 10.95
4 Near_East 9.72
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 7.99
6 Tungus-Altaic 7.60
7 East_Siberian 4.02
8 Ancestral_Altaic 3.13
9 South_East_Asian 2.11
10 South_Indian 2.03
11 North_African 1.59
12 Paleo_Siberian 1.36
13 Australoid 1.12


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Aydin @ 6.328804
2 Turk_Balikesir @ 8.178854
3 Turk @ 9.872170
4 Turk_Istanbul @ 10.138259
5 Turk_Adana @ 11.072295
6 Turk_Kayseri @ 11.693690
7 Azov_Greek @ 14.173787
8 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 14.715053
9 Nogai @ 14.783901
10 Georgian_Jew @ 15.184583
11 Cretan @ 15.798978
12 Syrian_Jew @ 16.157681
13 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 16.376711
14 Azeri @ 16.500019
15 Greek_Smyrna @ 16.895416
16 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 17.190754
17 Kurd_North @ 17.203077
18 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 17.428041
19 Iraki @ 17.502832
20 Lebanese_Muslim @ 17.539635

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Islands +50% Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 4.509966


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Jew_Tat +25% Kazakh +25% Kosovar @ 2.436479

halildemirezen
04-29-2015, 09:22 PM
Do the percentages of "Ethnic Makeup" change as the time passes and more people get their autosomal chromosomes included?

Afshar
04-30-2015, 06:28 AM
I think it only changes if they change the reference populations, or add more reference populations (which equals more tested individuals).

Mellow
04-30-2015, 10:57 AM
http://i62.tinypic.com/5ueoo2.png
http://i58.tinypic.com/fof9tk.png

basmaci
04-30-2015, 12:57 PM
http://i62.tinypic.com/5ueoo2.png
http://i58.tinypic.com/fof9tk.png
congrats ,true Ilirian-Roman Empire result :thumb:

Mellow
04-30-2015, 02:02 PM
congrats ,true Ilirian-Roman Empire result :thumb:

Thank you :thumb:

Bulut
04-30-2015, 03:41 PM
Dad's results :)
http://s28.postimg.org/gbgcotvct/myorigins.png

Reith
04-30-2015, 04:07 PM
Mine..4450

Caspian
05-01-2015, 10:10 PM
I got a Turkish 5th cousin who is from Mediterranean region in the morning. Also, she is my mom's 4th cousine and has got 1/2 Mersin and 1/2 Antalya Turkish heritages as far as I understand. Turkish members, do you know her?

Caspian
05-03-2015, 06:52 PM
I've just met her and learned her ancestral story. She has Iranian Afshar, Azeri and Khorasani roots from her maternal lineage and has Egyptian, Jordanian and Jewish roots from paternal. She also has Jewish surname. Probably, she is my mom's 4th cousin via her Iranian roots. She looks like a typical Turkish with mixed origin. Not surprised.

Moderator
05-03-2015, 07:22 PM
[MOD]: Thread moved to our new Turkish section after reviewing a hefty number of Turkish language posts in prior pages. The rest of the forum is intended for English-only discussions as dictated by section 3.6 of our Terms of Service (ToS):



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Feel free to discuss as before, ladies and gents. :)

Anabasis
05-08-2015, 10:25 AM
Aha bizi buraya govdular. :)

Afshar
05-08-2015, 11:18 AM
Yok, artik kendi bayragimizin altinda tartisacagiz.B)

Ejder
05-17-2015, 04:10 PM
Why is there only 1 thread in this section?

Afshar
05-17-2015, 04:34 PM
Oda istemeden yerlestirdiler buraya:).

Ashina
05-18-2015, 12:49 AM
lol..

Afshar
05-20-2015, 12:35 PM
L712 snp came back positive today. Will test for l713 next and maybe upgrade the str to 67. L713 will differentiate between Balkars and other North caucasians and Turkmen/Hungarian/Polish/Arab on the other side. Based on the str data my nearest match is from arabia. Too bad there are no Turkmen Qs on ftdna. Also weird that based on str data and 713 snp Balkars seem branched off m25 very early.

Afshar
05-21-2015, 01:49 PM
I just made a simple phylogenetic tree of Q-M25 individuals with 37 markers used, and my nearest match there is not from Arabia but from India. Does anybody know if we can contact people via their kit numbers?

Táltos
05-21-2015, 07:43 PM
I just made a simple phylogenetic tree of Q-M25 individuals with 37 markers used, and my nearest match there is not from Arabia but from India. Does anybody know if we can contact people via their kit numbers?

No you can't contact by kit numbers. If they match you at FTDNA there should be an email listed. Whether or not that it's a valid email, or if they will answer you is another story...

vettor
05-21-2015, 08:01 PM
No you can't contact by kit numbers. If they match you at FTDNA there should be an email listed. Whether or not that it's a valid email, or if they will answer you is another story...

a problem I encounter with myOrigins and FF matches is that no kit numbers are given out/shown..........IMO, a major flaw in the system

Afshar
05-22-2015, 06:10 AM
Long live ysearch :)

DMXX
05-26-2015, 05:21 PM
[ADMIN]: Tangent regarding the Afghan Qizilbash split to here (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?4574-Split-Origins-of-the-Afghan-Qizilbash). (Just to make Ejder happier with double the threads)



Why is there only 1 thread in this section?


The International Area was launched only several weeks ago. If any other threads containing Turkic language-containing posts are picked up, please let a member of staff know.

(I'll spare myself the embarrassment of posting mishmash Anadolu Turkce-Azeri sentences here for the time being, no need to malignantly stir our old ancestors' graves with dishonour by mutilating our mother/fathertongues, eh? ;) )

Afshar
05-31-2015, 11:02 AM
Today my Y67 upgrade came in, still no matches. Except, If I use the advanced search function I get two YDNA12 matches (cannot see how I match but they show up), both are from India, but cant see any detailed information.

Afshar
05-31-2015, 11:23 AM
Also received Myorigins from 2 family members.
46734674

icebreaker
05-31-2015, 12:25 PM
More Turkish results, cool! Don't forget to upload their raw dna to gedmatch. Because gedmatch results are more accurate. Based on my origins results, first person looks plain anatolian turkish, second person is a bit different. He has definitely Turkish ancestry, but there is also something else.

Afshar
05-31-2015, 12:31 PM
GEDmatch isnt cooperating atm i will try in a few days. Second one is my father, first is my niece

Afshar
05-31-2015, 05:48 PM
Niece

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 40.87
2 South_Central_Asian 14.50
3 Near_East 9.72
4 European_Early_Farmers 7.68
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 7.10
6 North_African 3.91
7 Tungus-Altaic 3.88
8 East_Siberian 2.59
9 South_Indian 1.97
10 Ancestral_Altaic 1.86
11 Arctic 1.55
12 East_African 1.12
13 Australoid 1.04


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk @ 4.172371
2 Turk_Kayseri @ 6.400983
3 Turk_Adana @ 6.538938
4 Turk_Istanbul @ 7.086665
5 Turk_Aydin @ 7.341991
6 Georgian_Jew @ 8.356050
7 Turk_Balikesir @ 9.710838
8 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 11.108705
9 Azeri @ 11.435397
10 Kurd_North @ 11.892857
11 Azov_Greek @ 12.112962
12 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 12.161492
13 Assyrian_Iraqi @ 12.401860
14 Cirkassian @ 12.821791
15 Iraqi_Chaldean @ 13.043326
16 Jew_Tat @ 13.063288
17 Kurd_Jew @ 13.736563
18 Lebanese_Muslim @ 13.963152
19 Armenian @ 13.973666
20 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 14.039272

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Turk_Balikesir +50% Uzbek_Tashkent @ 4.023233

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.08
2 West_Asian 29.53
3 West_Med 9.96
4 Baltic 6.61
5 Siberian 6.05
6 North_Atlantic 4.80
7 Red_Sea 4.71
8 South_Asian 3.86
9 East_Asian 1.87
10 Oceanian 1.19


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkish @ 4.992203
2 Azeri @ 8.107601
3 Georgian_Jewish @ 12.959738
4 Assyrian @ 13.567205
5 Kurdish @ 13.741706
6 Armenian @ 14.001295
7 Iranian @ 14.207490
8 Iranian_Jewish @ 15.988047
9 Lebanese_Muslim @ 16.116251
10 Kurdish_Jewish @ 16.446062
11 Turkmen @ 16.971987
12 Syrian @ 17.224928
13 Kumyk @ 18.814037
14 Cyprian @ 19.485874
15 Jordanian @ 21.682617
16 Lebanese_Druze @ 22.447197
17 Balkar @ 23.071480
18 Central_Greek @ 23.287775
19 Adygei @ 23.343811
20 Lebanese_Christian @ 23.657602

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Turkish +50% Turkish @ 4.992203


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Azeri +25% Lebanese_Christian +25% Nogay @ 3.388462


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Afghan_Turkmen + Cyprian + Georgian + Lebanese_Druze @ 2.361572
2 Abhkasian + Afghan_Turkmen + Cyprian + Lebanese_Druze @ 2.372052
3 Afghan_Turkmen + Georgian + Lebanese_Druze + Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.504040
4 Afghan_Turkmen + Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish + Kurdish @ 2.597196
5 Afghan_Turkmen + Assyrian + Cyprian + Kurdish @ 2.644512
6 Abhkasian + Afghan_Turkmen + Lebanese_Druze + Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.664916
7 Azeri + Cyprian + Iranian_Jewish + Nogay @ 2.778080
8 Assyrian + Azeri + Cyprian + Nogay @ 2.781109
9 Adygei + Afghan_Turkmen + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Druze @ 2.929482
10 Cyprian + Kabardin + Lebanese_Druze + Turkmen @ 2.943906
11 Afghan_Turkmen + Armenian + Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish @ 2.968521
12 Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Nogay + Turkish @ 2.988693
13 Afghan_Turkmen + Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish @ 3.020574
14 Iranian_Jewish + Kumyk + Lebanese_Christian + Nogay @ 3.022069
15 Assyrian + Cyprian + Iranian + Nogay @ 3.034869
16 Azeri + Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish + Nogay @ 3.038983
17 Afghan_Turkmen + Azeri + Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish @ 3.058077
18 Iranian_Jewish + Kumyk + Nogay + Samaritan @ 3.074454
19 Azeri + Cyprian + Kurdish_Jewish + Nogay @ 3.085110
20 Azeri + Lebanese_Christian + Nogay + Turkish @ 3.087259

Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.38
2 Gedrosia 15.40
3 Southwest_Asian 11.73
4 Atlantic_Med 10.39
5 North_European 10.01
6 Siberian 5.69
7 South_Asian 2.51
8 East_Asian 2.14


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turks @ 7.648172
2 Turkish @ 8.663218
3 Uzbekistan_Jews @ 13.301421
4 Iranian @ 15.421174
5 Kurds @ 15.484670
6 Kurd @ 15.586746
7 Lebanese @ 16.263378
8 Kumyks @ 16.793119
9 Georgia_Jews @ 17.590895
10 Azerbaijan_Jews @ 18.283817
11 Iranians @ 18.331526
12 Assyrian @ 18.771202
13 Armenians_15 @ 19.142660
14 Turkmens @ 19.283426
15 Armenian @ 19.309292
16 Syrians @ 19.445595
17 Iranian_Jews @ 19.477654
18 Iraq_Jews @ 19.691322
19 Cypriots @ 20.153093
20 Druze @ 20.173103

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriots +50% Turkmens @ 4.851614


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Druze +25% Nogais +25% Tajiks @ 3.845345


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Ashkenazy_Jews + Iranians + Nogais + Uzbekistan_Jews @ 3.141271
2 Ashkenazi + Iranian + Nogais + Uzbekistan_Jews @ 3.143778
3 Ashkenazi + Iranians + Nogais + Uzbekistan_Jews @ 3.154060
4 Ashkenazy_Jews + Iranian + Nogais + Uzbekistan_Jews @ 3.221814
5 Cypriots + Lebanese + Nogais + Turkmens @ 3.342465
6 Ashkenazy_Jews + Iranian_Jews + Iranians + Nogais @ 3.371598
7 Iranian + Nogais + Sephardic_Jews + Uzbekistan_Jews @ 3.372094
8 Ashkenazy_Jews + Iranian + Iraq_Jews + Nogais @ 3.438168
9 Ashkenazi + Iranian_Jews + Iranians + Nogais @ 3.445353
10 Ashkenazy_Jews + Iranians + Iraq_Jews + Nogais @ 3.451113
11 Ashkenazi + Iranian + Iranian_Jews + Nogais @ 3.467660
12 Ashkenazy_Jews + Iranian + Iranian_Jews + Nogais @ 3.469136
13 Ashkenazi + Kurd + Nogais + Uzbekistan_Jews @ 3.496661
14 Cypriots + Druze + Nogais + Tajiks @ 3.499676
15 Ashkenazy_Jews + Kurd + Nogais + Uzbekistan_Jews @ 3.507167
16 Georgia_Jews + Nogais + Sephardic_Jews + Turkmens @ 3.520798
17 Iranians + Nogais + Sephardic_Jews + Turks @ 3.531218
18 Cypriots + Nogais + Syrians + Turkmens @ 3.538451
19 Ashkenazi + Iranian + Iraq_Jews + Nogais @ 3.552496
20 Ashkenazi + Georgia_Jews + Iranians +

Afshar
05-31-2015, 05:56 PM
Father
Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracl
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.82
2 Gedrosia 18.29
3 Southwest_Asian 13.87
4 Atlantic_Med 10.92
5 North_European 7.01
6 East_Asian 4.58
7 Siberian 2.80
8 South_Asian 1.87


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turks @ 8.165585
2 Turkish @ 9.766566
3 Uzbekistan_Jews @ 10.009962
4 Kurds @ 12.279251
5 Kurd @ 12.285227
6 Iranian @ 12.745048
7 Lebanese @ 14.789756
8 Iranians @ 15.162248
9 Georgia_Jews @ 15.317791
10 Azerbaijan_Jews @ 15.392323
11 Assyrian @ 15.798540
12 Iranian_Jews @ 16.212528
13 Iraq_Jews @ 16.423744
14 Armenians_15 @ 17.342125
15 Syrians @ 17.472744
16 Armenian @ 17.551516
17 Druze @ 18.574753
18 Turkmens @ 18.874760
19 Kumyks @ 19.000673
20 Cypriots @ 19.882580

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriots +50% Turkmens @ 3.225889


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriots +25% Turkmens +25% Turkmens @ 3.225889


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cypriots + Druze + Turkmens + Turkmens @ 2.062750
2 Syrians + Turkish + Turkmens + Turks @ 2.292289
3 Cypriots + Iraq_Jews + Tajiks + Turks @ 2.337620
4 Syrians + Turkmens + Turks + Turks @ 2.409709
5 Cypriots + Iranian_Jews + Tajiks + Turks @ 2.485161
6 Assyrian + Cypriots + Kurds + Uzbeks @ 2.486298
7 Syrians + Turkish + Turkish + Turkmens @ 2.487424
8 Cypriots + Iranian_Jews + Tajiks + Turkish @ 2.595547
9 Azerbaijan_Jews + Cypriots + Kurds + Uzbeks @ 2.625885
10 Cypriots + Iraq_Jews + Tajiks + Turkish @ 2.664384
11 Cypriots + Iraq_Jews + Turkmens + Turkmens @ 2.728194
12 Assyrian + Cypriots + Turkmens + Turkmens @ 2.817220
13 Assyrian + Cypriots + Kurd + Uzbeks @ 2.835001
14 Armenian + Syrians + Tajiks + Turkish @ 2.860893
15 Jordanians + Turkish + Turkmens + Turks @ 2.876535
16 Cypriots + Georgia_Jews + Turkmens + Turkmens @ 2.878321
17 Assyrian + Lebanese + Tajiks + Turkish @ 2.884444
18 Cypriots + Kurd + Turkish + Turkmens @ 2.889565
19 Lebanese + Turkish + Turkmens + Turks @ 2.903349
20 Assyrian + Druze + Tajiks +

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 33.11
2 East_Med 27.96
3 West_Med 10.65
4 North_Atlantic 6.27
5 Red_Sea 6.02
6 Siberian 3.98
7 South_Asian 3.84
8 East_Asian 3.78
9 Baltic 3.55


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkish @ 3.517845
2 Azeri @ 5.821941
3 Kurdish @ 10.998343
4 Armenian @ 11.543787
5 Georgian_Jewish @ 12.133289
6 Iranian @ 12.603358
7 Assyrian @ 13.818933
8 Turkmen @ 16.266144
9 Kumyk @ 16.753120
10 Kurdish_Jewish @ 16.998468
11 Iranian_Jewish @ 17.015141
12 Lebanese_Muslim @ 17.790619
13 Syrian @ 18.738079
14 Balkar @ 20.409060
15 Adygei @ 20.692524
16 Georgian @ 21.103193
17 Cyprian @ 21.576216
18 Ossetian @ 21.972197
19 Kabardin @ 22.077515
20 North_Ossetian @ 23.108416

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Azeri +50% Turkish @ 3.071027


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Muslim +25% Ossetian +25% Turkmen @ 2.523683


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lebanese_Christian + Ossetian + Turkish + Turkmen @ 2.008781
2 Ossetian + Samaritan + Turkish + Turkmen @ 2.154449
3 Georgian_Jewish + Ossetian + Tunisian_Jewish + Turkmen @ 2.193673
4 Cyprian + Kurdish_Jewish + Ossetian + Turkmen @ 2.249041
5 Abhkasian + Tunisian_Jewish + Turkish + Turkmen @ 2.287595
6 Armenian + Kurdish_Jewish + Nogay + Turkish @ 2.361736
7 Assyrian + Cyprian + Ossetian + Turkmen @ 2.365765
8 Georgian_Jewish + Libyan_Jewish + Ossetian + Turkmen @ 2.475668
9 Georgian + Samaritan + Turkish + Turkmen @ 2.510179
10 Georgian + Georgian_Jewish + Sephardic_Jewish + Turkmen @ 2.517046
11 Lebanese_Muslim + Lebanese_Muslim + Ossetian + Turkmen @ 2.523683
12 Abhkasian + Libyan_Jewish + Turkish + Turkmen @ 2.531492
13 Armenian + Azeri + Lebanese_Muslim + Nogay @ 2.540614
14 Assyrian + Ossetian + Tunisian_Jewish + Turkmen @ 2.545602
15 Abhkasian + Georgian_Jewish + Sephardic_Jewish + Turkmen @ 2.558452
16 Armenian + Iranian_Jewish + Nogay + Turkish @ 2.588411
17 Armenian + Kurdish + Lebanese_Muslim + Nogay @ 2.604413
18 Armenian + Assyrian + Nogay + Turkish @ 2.606387
19 Cyprian + Georgian + Turkish + Turkmen @ 2.609237
20 Armenian + Ossetian + Tunisian_Jewish + Turkmen @ 2.611932

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.55
2 South_Central_Asian 18.65
3 Near_East 13.50
4 European_Early_Farmers 9.33
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 4.54
6 Tungus-Altaic 3.95
7 North_African 3.13
8 Austronesian 3.01
9 South_Indian 1.40
10 Arctic 1.17


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Adana @ 4.110062
2 Turk_Kayseri @ 6.869445
3 Georgian_Jew @ 8.023574
4 Turk @ 8.031590
5 Kurd_North @ 8.347363
6 Azeri @ 8.646196
7 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 8.885623
8 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 9.001030
9 Iraqi_Chaldean @ 9.262325
10 Assyrian_Iraqi @ 9.528567
11 Kurd_Jew @ 10.224734
12 Kurd_South @ 10.252898
13 Iraqi_Mandean @ 10.530294
14 Iranian_Jew @ 11.152943
15 Kurd_East @ 11.252140
16 Iraki @ 11.549338
17 Kurd @ 11.671613
18 Jew_Tat @ 11.718572
19 Turk_Istanbul @ 11.914720
20 Turk_Aydin @ 11.947263

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Turk_Adana +50% Turk_Adana @ 4.110062


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Turk_Adana +25% Turk_Adana +25% Uzbek_Tashkent @ 3.809333

icebreaker
05-31-2015, 06:48 PM
Gedmatch ftw <3

Afshar
05-31-2015, 07:08 PM
Cokmu seviyorsun

icebreaker
05-31-2015, 07:14 PM
My origins'e gore çok daha bilgilendirici

Ve 'nerde beles oraya yerles' demisler, gedmatch bedava kaldigi surece hep sevecegim.. :D

Afshar
05-31-2015, 07:17 PM
Orasi dogru. Myoriginse guvenim kalmadi, babamla aramizda daglar kadar fark var. Ama bukadar calculatorda adamin kafasini karistiriyor.

Afshar
06-06-2015, 07:10 AM
Ql713 came back negative??

Crimean
08-05-2015, 09:35 AM
5508

crimean tatar my origins

Afshar
08-05-2015, 09:25 PM
Interestin results. Did you also test ydna?

Crimean
08-06-2015, 07:38 AM
not yet

Afshar
08-06-2015, 09:51 AM
Are you fully tatar or do you have some other ancestry as well?

Crimean
08-06-2015, 10:58 AM
fully crimean tatar

Theodore Gavras
09-01-2015, 11:22 AM
MyOrigins'e bakmanıza gerek yok, Gedmatch kalkütörlerini her zaman tercih ediniz.

GailT
09-02-2015, 04:07 AM
I still cannot understand how I went 100% european in the old system to
myOrigins numbers of:
European 78%
Western and Central Europe 47%
Southern Europe 22%
Eastern Europe 9%

Anatolian 22%

Unless the old system had Anatolian marked as European for the calculated year 0BC

I just checked a friend's results who tests as 9% "Middle East - Asia Minor" which seems unlikely. She has very deep colonial US ancestry with just a few lines that immigrated from Germany and Ireland in the 19th century. I'm wondering if the MyOrigins analysis might be unreliable in this case.

ArmandoR1b
09-02-2015, 04:29 PM
I just checked a friend's results who tests as 9% "Middle East - Asia Minor" which seems unlikely. She has very deep colonial US ancestry with just a few lines that immigrated from Germany and Ireland in the 19th century. I'm wondering if the MyOrigins analysis might be unreliable in this case.

I have experienced the same thing with myOrigins with one of my kits getting 10% "Middle East - Asia Minor" when there is only Irish and German ancestry. I have read about other people getting "Middle East - Asia Minor" when neither of their parents get it. It is definitely unreliable and this is one of the many reasons that myOrigins is the worst calculator for western Europeans. I have also read about people getting other ethnicities that the parents don't get with myOrigins.

Anabasis
09-04-2015, 08:50 AM
I have experienced the same thing with myOrigins with one of my kits getting 10% "Middle East - Asia Minor" when there is only Irish and German ancestry. I have read about other people getting "Middle East - Asia Minor" when neither of their parents get it. It is definitely unreliable and this is one of the many reasons that myOrigins is the worst calculator for western Europeans. I have also read about people getting other ethnicities that the parents don't get with myOrigins.

I dont think so. If there is an Asia Minor admix in your results your should check your matches firstly if there are any Anatolian, Turk, Armenian, Caucasian, Levant or Southern Europe matches on your list both in Gedmatch and FTDNA. Secondly asia minor seems the combination of EEF + Caucasia + MEdeterennian components in many calculator in Gedmatch which is found in Western European population. That might create such a results in myOrigins.

ArmandoR1b
09-04-2015, 12:52 PM
I dont think so. If there is an Asia Minor admix in your results your should check your matches firstly if there are any Anatolian, Turk, Armenian, Caucasian, Levant or Southern Europe matches on your list both in Gedmatch and FTDNA. Secondly asia minor seems the combination of EEF + Caucasia + MEdeterennian components in many calculator in Gedmatch which is found in Western European population. That might create such a results in myOrigins.

How little faith. I had already checked matches many times over. There are no Anatolian, Turk, Armenian, Caucasian, Levant or Southern Europe matches in Gedmatch or FTDNA for the kit in question. All of the matches have ancestry from the expected regions. This kit isn't the only one in this situation. FTDNA myOrigins is more unreliable than 23andme for western Europeans. There is no question about it.

Táltos
09-05-2015, 04:06 PM
I have experienced the same thing with myOrigins with one of my kits getting 10% "Middle East - Asia Minor" when there is only Irish and German ancestry. I have read about other people getting "Middle East - Asia Minor" when neither of their parents get it. It is definitely unreliable and this is one of the many reasons that myOrigins is the worst calculator for western Europeans. I have also read about people getting other ethnicities that the parents don't get with myOrigins.

Just curious, have any of these kits also tested at 23andme? Something that I noticed for my mom's kit and mine between the two companies. It involves 23andme's conservative. Which is my least favorite mode over at 23andme.

My mom's kit at FTDNA is assigned 23% all Asia Minor. At 23andme she has 20.7% Unassigned. I have 12% Middle Eastern with 11% being Asia Minor. Over at 23andme I have 11.3% Unassigned in Conservative mode. With each mode our broadly Southern European, Italian, and Balkan increases, as does some of the Northern European categories. Really only Eastern European seems to be really good for me in Conservative, but even that increases with each mode. I only mention that just to show the differences in the regions of Europe, with how the modes pick them up.

My mom and I do have matches to people from Turkey, as well as countries in the Balkans, Italy, Greece and so on. Her father was Italian/Albanian so that does make sense to get matches from those areas.

ArmandoR1b
09-05-2015, 06:40 PM
Just curious, have any of these kits also tested at 23andme? Something that I noticed for my mom's kit and mine between the two companies. It involves 23andme's conservative. Which is my least favorite mode over at 23andme.

My mom's kit at FTDNA is assigned 23% all Asia Minor. At 23andme she has 20.7% Unassigned. I have 12% Middle Eastern with 11% being Asia Minor. Over at 23andme I have 11.3% Unassigned in Conservative mode. With each mode our broadly Southern European, Italian, and Balkan increases, as does some of the Northern European categories. Really only Eastern European seems to be really good for me in Conservative, but even that increases with each mode. I only mention that just to show the differences in the regions of Europe, with how the modes pick them up.

My mom and I do have matches to people from Turkey, as well as countries in the Balkans, Italy, Greece and so on. Her father was Italian/Albanian so that does make sense to get matches from those areas.

The person wasn't able to test with 23andme but a relative of that person was and none of the matches on that side of the family that only have Irish and German ancestry don't get anything in Ancestry Composition to suggest any other ancestry. I only use speculative and always have since I first did comparisons with several kits with known ancestry. In myOrigins there are other people, that are matches to the person in question, that only have Irish, British, or German ancestry in their family trees and they also have Middle Eastern at 10% or less. This is a legitimate problem with myOrigins.

Your case is very different with known Italian/Albanian ancestry and you have the matches to go along with that so that is real although the actual amount is somewhere between FTDNA myOrigins and 23andme speculative.

Do you remember the case of the person that was trying to determine if her father was Greek or not? It wasn't until that person tested at 23andme that she saw she didn't have Greek ancestry. FTDNA was of no help because it can give incorrect or vague results.

Asimakidis
09-12-2015, 08:49 AM
5872
5873

My father's and mine My origins.

Táltos
09-13-2015, 04:08 AM
5872
5873

My father's and mine My origins.

Well that's a whole lotta of Asia Minor for the both of you! The second pic is yours? You are supposed to be half Swedish?!

Anabasis
09-13-2015, 04:13 PM
Well that's a whole lotta of Asia Minor for the both of you! The second pic is yours? You are supposed to be half Swedish?!

He is not half Swedish. His Mathernal side is pontic greek.

Táltos
09-13-2015, 04:15 PM
He is not half Swedish. His Mathernal side is pontic greek.

Thanks, I was just looking at his flags! So I really wasn't sure.

Asimakidis
09-13-2015, 04:15 PM
He is not half Swedish. His Mathernal side is pontic greek.

Just living in Sweden :D

Anabasis
09-13-2015, 04:29 PM
Some European people complaining about the minor asian stats of thier myorigins. I think Minor asia component in myorigins is much more ancient then supposed which shows the ancestral roots in last more then 1000 years. 23andme and Ancestry shows much more recent ancestry rather then so old. thats why myOrigns shows much more minor Asian then other commercial results. Thats my idea.

I match 2 people in FTDNA. When i contact with them one of them he denied that he have match in Middle East and said that his ancestry comes from british islands, germany and scotland only. I matched with him in gedmatch either. The other one was oke. She said e that they were curious where that %6 asia minor comes. Those both person was match with each other either.

ArmandoR1b
09-13-2015, 07:03 PM
Some European people complaining about the minor asian stats of thier myorigins. I think Minor asia component in myorigins is much more ancient then supposed which shows the ancestral roots in last more then 1000 years. 23andme and Ancestry shows much more recent ancestry rather then so old. thats why myOrigns shows much more minor Asian then other commercial results. Thats my idea. I agree that myOrigins is reporting much more ancient ancestry than 23andme and Ancestry. However, I don't think it is done purposely that it really due to a limitation of the calculator. Most people aren't looking for ancestry that distant.


I match 2 people in FTDNA. When i contact with them one of them he denied that he have match in Middle East and said that his ancestry comes from british islands, germany and scotland only. I matched with him in gedmatch either. The other one was oke. She said e that they were curious where that %6 asia minor comes. Those both person was match with each other either.

There are situations where there are false positives and they need to be ruled. There was a recent ISOGG post about that and Ann Turner wrote about it at http://www.jogg.info/72/files/Turner.htm. Do they both match you and each other on the same segment? Do your or the matches have older generations to test to determine if the matches hold up?

Anabasis
09-13-2015, 07:40 PM
I agree that myOrigins is reporting much more ancient ancestry than 23andme and Ancestry. However, I don't think it is done purposely that it really due to a limitation of the calculator. Most people aren't looking for ancestry that distant.



There are situations where there are false positives and they need to be ruled. There was a recent ISOGG post about that and Ann Turner wrote about it at http://www.jogg.info/72/files/Turner.htm. Do they both match you and each other on the same segment? Do your or the matches have older generations to test to determine if the matches hold up?

Yes they match with each other in same segment and some more segments as well. Tree of us have same segments in 4th chromosome. But they have also other segment shares which i dont have. Probably there were a common ancestry of them who had common ancestry with me in much more generation. If you are an USA citizen and you are sure that your ancestry from british island, scotland irish or germany, you might not know what was the ethnic make up of your german or irish ancestry when they were in europe. An italian or greek grandmother of your german ancestry might link you to Anatolia!!!

ArmandoR1b
09-13-2015, 08:17 PM
Yes they match with each other in same segment and some more segments as well. Tree of us have same segments in 4th chromosome.
Are the segments in the 4th chromosome shared by your parents or their parents? You still need to rule out false matches.


But they have also other segment shares which i dont have. Probably there were a common ancestry of them who had common ancestry with me in much more generation. I expected that to happen.


If you are an USA citizen and you are sure that your ancestry from british island, scotland irish or germany, you might not know what was the ethnic make up of your german or irish ancestry when they were in europe. An italian or greek grandmother of your german ancestry might link you to Anatolia!!!
In the case of your matches that might be true. Every case is different and if there are good genealogical records with no ancestry from Anatolia and no matches from Anatolia then it is much less likely. As stated earlier the common ancestry is much more ancient in those cases.

icebreaker
10-09-2015, 01:28 PM
Annem (4/4 Afyon)
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2yxqkjq.jpg

Babam (1/4 Trabzon, 3/4 Afyon)
http://oi62.tinypic.com/fcr4ub.jpg

wmehar
11-03-2015, 09:22 PM
6520

Mom's side:
Maternal grandfather from Larnaca, Cyprus
Maternal grandmother had father from Tsesme (modern Cesme) and mother from Hagia Paraskevi/Athens, Greece

Dad's side:
Punjabi Arrain, His father's mother was from Jalandhar, the other from Amritsar, they emigrated to Lahore, Pakistan. So essentially Punjabi.

XooR
11-04-2015, 04:20 PM
Below are FTDNA, DNALand and Ancestry results.
I have Laz origin, most of matches are Laz from Georgia.
Can anyone explain why FTDNA doesnt show any european results meanwhile the others have some.
Thank you.

wmehar
11-04-2015, 06:28 PM
Below are FTDNA, DNALand and Ancestry results.
I have Laz origin, most of matches are Laz from Georgia.
Can anyone explain why FTDNA doesnt show any european results meanwhile the others have some.
Thank you.

There are large number of widely varying factors that could be a reason you have different results across DNA testing companies.

I'll try to explain, but I don't know if it's quite right, I'll need someone to back me up. From what I know, FTDNA has a population database of roughly 750,000 (as of 11/2015), while Ancestry had 400,000 ( as of 2014)... DNALand has just around 9000+ and climbing.

Each of these companies have their own methodology in studying genes from different populations. Accuracy is based on how much effort they've put in developing accurate analysis as they gain member base.

I believe 23andme has by the largest member base and most detailed analysis of autosome origins (It is also more expensive, $199). FTDNA is rather on the slow-end in terms of products/GUI updates in general.

DNALand is rather new, you should read their website and see they're still trying to improve their data-imputation source. So they're anticipating gaining a large member base and then developing their stuff further.

I'm still surprised that FTDNA showed absolutely no variance in geographical origins... Myself included and many other Turkish fellahs had some kind of South European component in their MyOrigins for the most part..... The same is for most main lander Greeks, they have a significant Anatolian/Turkish presence.

*shrug*

You should upload your results to Gedmatch.com!

Afshar
11-04-2015, 08:12 PM
Below are FTDNA, DNALand and Ancestry results.
I have Laz origin, most of matches are Laz from Georgia.
Can anyone explain why FTDNA doesnt show any european results meanwhile the others have some.
Thank you.
Karadeniz bolgesinde az rastlaniyor, ama myoriginse pek guvenme gedmatch daha saglam.

Tsakhur
03-12-2016, 06:34 AM
There is no special component for Turkic peoples in the Gedmatch; however, all of Turkic people have East Eurasian components in the Gedmatch. That components are Siberian, Southeast Asian, East Asian, Amerindian, Arctic etc. Siberian component, especially, may have been Proto-Turkic/Altaic. Even so, Turkic peoples of steppe also have West Eurasian components (Caucasus, Gedrosia, Medterranean, North European etc.) at different frequencies because of Turkification in the steppe in early times.

For example;

Yakuts have 90-95% East Eurasian + 5-10% West Eurasian
Kazakhs have 60-65% East Eurasian + 35-40% West Eurasian
Kyrgyzs have 70% East Eurasian + 30% West Eurasian
Uyghurs and Hazara have 50% East Eurasian + 50% West Eurasian
Uzbeks have 40% East Eurasian + 60% East Eurasian
Turkmens from Afghanistan have 35% East Eurasian + 65% West Eurasian
Nogais have 25% East Eurasian + 75% West Eurasian
Turkmens from Turkmenistan have 17% East Eurasian + 83% West Eurasian
Azeris have 7% East Eurasian + 93% West Eurasian
Turks have 7% East Eurasian + 93% West Eurasian admixture in the Gedmatch calculators. Of course, these values are average.

Thank you very much. Do you how much East and West Eurasian are Altaians, Tuvans, Mongolians, Buryats, Evenks, Oroqens (even though they are not Turkic linguistically) are on average?

DMXX
03-19-2016, 09:00 PM
Within the Turkic-speaking world, the West-East Eurasian admixture patterns strictly align with geography. Therefore, Altaians are less West Eurasian than Kazakhs, but more so than Mongolians (though not Turkic speakers, they do appear to subscribe with the Turkish trend).

Caspian's compilation seems sound, though the difference between Uyghurs and Uzbeks versus Kazakhs, which contradicts the geographical distribution somewhat, likely has something to do with the prior population densities in the Kazakh steppe and South-Central Asia before the Turkish expansions took place.

Of course, we should also bear in mind that these are averages. Some Republic Turks, Republic Azeris and Iranian Azeris have East Eurasian admixture levels equivalent to the Turkmen average.

Tsakhur
05-19-2016, 12:40 PM
Within the Turkic-speaking world, the West-East Eurasian admixture patterns strictly align with geography. Therefore, Altaians are less West Eurasian than Kazakhs, but more so than Mongolians (though not Turkic speakers, they do appear to subscribe with the Turkish trend).

Caspian's compilation seems sound, though the difference between Uyghurs and Uzbeks versus Kazakhs, which contradicts the geographical distribution somewhat, likely has something to do with the prior population densities in the Kazakh steppe and South-Central Asia before the Turkish expansions took place.

Of course, we should also bear in mind that these are averages. Some Republic Turks, Republic Azeris and Iranian Azeris have East Eurasian admixture levels equivalent to the Turkmen average.

Thank you very much for the explanation! Would most Mongolians and Buryats be similar to Yakuts in terms of East vs West Eurasian percentage?

Also I notice that Mongols seem to have many different group genetically such as Mongola in China who seem to have a lot more East Asian ancestry, Mongol Khalkha and Mongolian (probably samples from Western Mongolia) who seem to be genetically similar to Tuvans, but with more West Eurasian. I also made a thread regarding Mongol groups genetic difference which you probably have seen it before: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5876-Are-there-are-actually-two-different-Mongol-groups-genetically-in-terms-of-aDNA

Tsakhur
05-21-2016, 10:43 AM
Can anyone answer my question please?

Afshar
05-27-2016, 03:42 PM
My mothers ff results
http://i.hizliresim.com/v4m0D4.png (http://hizliresim.com/v4m0D4)

dp
05-27-2016, 09:43 PM
My mothers ff results
http://i.hizliresim.com/v4m0D4.png (http://hizliresim.com/v4m0D4)
I need to go check out my families results. I've never seen the New World category before. Oh well I checked out a kit that's 99% European. Still have no idea what the other 1% is.
dp :-)

Afshar
05-27-2016, 10:06 PM
I need to go check out my families results. I've never seen the New World category before. Oh well I checked out a kit that's 99% European. Still have no idea what the other 1% is.
dp :-)

Mine is 2%. Also on gedmatch i usually score the same on amerindian components

Abd.H
06-03-2016, 11:38 PM
Hi ,I am a new member here
I got my ff results few days ago and my Y-Haplogroup according to my y67 results is J1-Z1828
I am from Syria and my Origins shows 60 % Asian Minor .
I think this high Asian Minor percentage because I have the [Anatolian/Caucasian] branch of Y-Haplogroup J19608

Afshar
06-04-2016, 07:10 PM
Hi ,I am a new member here
I got my ff results few days ago and my Y-Haplogroup according to my y67 results is J1-Z1828
I am from Syria and my Origins shows 60 % Asian Minor .
I think this high Asian Minor percentage because I have the [Anatolian/Caucasian] branch of Y-Haplogroup J19608
Welcome
Did you upload your raw autosomal data to gedmatch?

Abd.H
06-04-2016, 07:45 PM
Welcome
Did you upload your raw autosomal data to gedmatch?

Thanks.
Yes I uploaded my raw autosomal data to gedmatch
,but there are many projects and they give different percentages .

Anabasis
06-05-2016, 07:30 AM
Hi ,I am a new member here
I got my ff results few days ago and my Y-Haplogroup according to my y67 results is J1-Z1828
I am from Syria and my Origins shows 60 % Asian Minor .
I think this high Asian Minor percentage because I have the [Anatolian/Caucasian] branch of Y-Haplogroup J19608

Hello,

Wellcome to forum,

Firstly Asia Minor component of myOrigins represent regional effect rather then your personal herritage. This component also seen in Cyprus, Greece, Italy and Middle East. It may not mean that you have recent ancestry from Anatolia. You have to consider that population average of Syria. I guess that most of the Syrians have Asian Minor component between %50-%70. Thats why you should not take those ethnic make up results personal.

Secondly Z1828 formed 18.000 years ago. In this period it spread over Europe and Caucasia. There are some subbranches of Z1828 which unique to specific regions. probably your Subbrach (we may not know what it is as far as you dont have BIG Y or another full sequence test result)

For instance Z18463 subbranch of Z1828 is Central European branch and it split from Caucaisan-Middle Eastern branch (Z1842) 6700 years ago.
One of my friends from central Anatolia is also Z1828 and it seems that he is closer to Central European branch via 12 marker test results.

May i ask if you have any matches in Y-Str results? And where are they from?

Abd.H
06-05-2016, 10:38 AM
Hello,

Wellcome to forum,

Firstly Asia Minor component of myOrigins represent regional effect rather then your personal herritage. This component also seen in Cyprus, Greece, Italy and Middle East. It may not mean that you have recent ancestry from Anatolia. You have to consider that population average of Syria. I guess that most of the Syrians have Asian Minor component between %50-%70. Thats why you should not take those ethnic make up results personal.

Secondly Z1828 formed 18.000 years ago. In this period it spread over Europe and Caucasia. There are some subbranches of Z1828 which unique to specific regions. probably your Subbrach (we may not know what it is as far as you dont have BIG Y or another full sequence test result)

For instance Z18463 subbranch of Z1828 is Central European branch and it split from Caucaisan-Middle Eastern branch (Z1842) 6700 years ago.
One of my friends from central Anatolia is also Z1828 and it seems that he is closer to Central European branch via 12 marker test results.

May i ask if you have any matches in Y-Str results? And where are they from?

Thanks , I have joined to the J1 project ,and the project administrator classified me under CTS1460 subclade .
I have problem with my matches in my ftdna account and I don't receive my matches yet , I sent an email to the company ,they told me that there is a bug in my account and they will fix the problem.
Any way i compared my results with people who have CTS1460 and the nearest results to mine are from Chechnya and Dagestan .
and here is an image show the position of CTS1460 in J1 tree 9640
9643

Leper
08-21-2016, 04:03 PM
Are there any Greek members who had shared their results?

Asimakidis
08-22-2016, 04:48 PM
Are there any Greek members who had shared their results?

Quite a few. Both mainland Greeks and diaspora. Also Sikeliot has quite a few he has shared. Check autosomal thread.

Leper
08-22-2016, 07:53 PM
Quite a few. Both mainland Greeks and diaspora. Also Sikeliot has quite a few he has shared. Check autosomal thread.

Can you provide any link?

Asimakidis
08-23-2016, 12:52 PM
Can you provide any link?

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?7762-New-Greek-results-PuntDNA-L-and-Dodecad-K12!

Rest you have to search. :)
But there has been posts.

dp
08-23-2016, 02:47 PM
Are there any Greek members who had shared their results?
Posted results from ANE K13 thread.
11146
The leftmost number is that of the post within the thread.
dp :-)

Leper
08-31-2016, 03:31 AM
Great results. Let me guess. Are your grandmother Kozan?


My results
http://i.imgur.com/2Zq8TT7.jpg


http://www.demirezen.net/photos/myorigins.jpg


hello people :)
http://i.hizliresim.com/EYl2l8.jpg


Selam, FF sonuçlarında kaç tane match'iniz var FTDNA'da ve bunların kaçı Avrupalı ya da yabancı? Testi yapan arkadaşlar belirtirse sevinirim. Türklerin fazla kişi ile dna eşleşmesi çıkmıyor dedikleri doğru mu?

Anabasis
08-31-2016, 06:24 AM
Selam, FF sonuçlarında kaç tane match'iniz var FTDNA'da ve bunların kaçı Avrupalı ya da yabancı? Testi yapan arkadaşlar belirtirse sevinirim. Türklerin fazla kişi ile dna eşleşmesi çıkmıyor dedikleri doğru mu?

Bende 17 eşleşme var. Bunların 3 ü amerikalı 1 i meksikalı (babası türk) diğerleri ise doğrudan anadolu menşeli insanlar. Matchlerimin çoğu benim memleketim ve çevresinden gelen insanlardan oluşuyor. Çok fazla matchin olmamasının temel sebebi test yaptıran türklerin sayısının azlığı. Türkiye'de de özellikle batıya gittikçe testlerin yoğun olarak yapıldığı avrupa ve amerikadan matchlerin sayısı artıyor. Türkiyeden ve Doğu ülkelerinden (özellikle iran, ırak ve suriye) de benzer yoğunlukta test yaptıran olursa match sayılarının artacağını düşünüyorum.

Fakat yine de özellikle doğu illerinde yerleşim yerlerinin izolasyonu çok olduğundan yani bölgeler arası etkileşimin az olmasından ve muhtemelen de Anadolu menşeeli SNP lerin pek fazla test edilmiyor olma ihhtimali de düşünülürse eşleşme oranları düşüyor olabilir. Fakat bu durumu ıspatlayabileceğimiz yeterli kanıtlar elimizde yok. Yani bu son kurduğum iddia tam olarak varsayımsal.

Leper
08-31-2016, 12:52 PM
Bende 17 eşleşme var. Bunların 3 ü amerikalı 1 i meksikalı (babası türk) diğerleri ise doğrudan anadolu menşeli insanlar. Matchlerimin çoğu benim memleketim ve çevresinden gelen insanlardan oluşuyor. Çok fazla matchin olmamasının temel sebebi test yaptıran türklerin sayısının azlığı. Türkiye'de de özellikle batıya gittikçe testlerin yoğun olarak yapıldığı avrupa ve amerikadan matchlerin sayısı artıyor. Türkiyeden ve Doğu ülkelerinden (özellikle iran, ırak ve suriye) de benzer yoğunlukta test yaptıran olursa match sayılarının artacağını düşünüyorum.

Fakat yine de özellikle doğu illerinde yerleşim yerlerinin izolasyonu çok olduğundan yani bölgeler arası etkileşimin az olmasından ve muhtemelen de Anadolu menşeeli SNP lerin pek fazla test edilmiyor olma ihhtimali de düşünülürse eşleşme oranları düşüyor olabilir. Fakat bu durumu ıspatlayabileceğimiz yeterli kanıtlar elimizde yok. Yani bu son kurduğum iddia tam olarak varsayımsal.

Bende sadece FF'de 80'den fazla kişi var ve her ay 2-3 kişi artıyor. Başkalarında az ya da zar zor match çıktığını okuyunca şaşırdım açıkçası.

XooR
08-31-2016, 01:56 PM
Bende sadece FF'de 80'den fazla kişi var ve her ay 2-3 kişi artıyor. Başkalarında az ya da zar zor match çıktığını okuyunca şaşırdım açıkçası.

Sadece karsilastirma amacli benim FF de 30 tane eslesme var, annemin 27 eslesmesi babamin ise 22 eslesmesi var. (Eslesmelerin buyuk cogunlugu Laz ve dogu karadenizliler) Ote yandan esimin (Alman-Irlanda-Ingiltere kokenli) 1769 eslesmesi var. Tamamen matematik, cografi bolgendeki genetigi tasiyip, test yaptiranlar arttikca eslesmeler otomatikman artiyor, eger cok test yaptirilan bolgelerle eslesen bir segmentin varsa daha cok ve daha sik eslesme alma olasiligin yuksek.

Anabasis
08-31-2016, 03:39 PM
Bende sadece FF'de 80'den fazla kişi var ve her ay 2-3 kişi artıyor. Başkalarında az ya da zar zor match çıktığını okuyunca şaşırdım açıkçası.

Nereliydin ki sen? Balkan menşein varsa match sayında artış olabilir.

Anabasis
08-31-2016, 03:47 PM
Sadece karsilastirma amacli benim FF de 30 tane eslesme var, annemin 27 eslesmesi babamin ise 22 eslesmesi var. (Eslesmelerin buyuk cogunlugu Laz ve dogu karadenizliler) Ote yandan esimin (Alman-Irlanda-Ingiltere kokenli) 1769 eslesmesi var. Tamamen matematik, cografi bolgendeki genetigi tasiyip, test yaptiranlar arttikca eslesmeler otomatikman artiyor, eger cok test yaptirilan bolgelerle eslesen bir segmentin varsa daha cok ve daha sik eslesme alma olasiligin yuksek.


Test yaptıran Trabzonluların sayısı daha fazla olmasına rağmen sende bana göre daha fazla match olması ilginç olmuş. Diğer trabzonlularda da match sayısı 30-40 aralığında. Bende bir tırtlık var galiba.

XooR
08-31-2016, 04:38 PM
Test yaptıran Trabzonluların sayısı daha fazla olmasına rağmen sende bana göre daha fazla match olması ilginç olmuş. Diğer trabzonlularda da match sayısı 30-40 aralığında. Bende bir tırtlık var galiba.

Eger diger Trabzonlularin eslesmeleri 30-40 araliginda ve seninki 17 ise bireysel olarak bakmak lazim. Sebep olarak mantik yurutebiliriz, 1) eger anne ile baba arasinda akrabalik varsa otomatikman eslesme sayisi daralacaktir. 2) Goreli olarak izole yasamis/yasayan bir gruptan geliniyorsa eslesme sayisi yine duser.
Bana gore benim eslesmeleri arttiran faktor Camlihemsin / Pazarhemsin de cok uzun sureler Lazlar ve Hemsinlilerin bir arada yasamasi dolayisiyla olusan genetik etkilesim.. Hemsinlilerden test yaptiranlarin sayisi nispeten yorenin diger insanlarina nazaran fazla oldugundan benim eslesme sayisi yukselmis. Daha doguda Artvin/Hopa Lazlarindan Bora beyin de 17 eslesmesi var.

Dipnot: Gedmatch de otomatik 7cM esik degeri uzerinden eslesmelerde senin toplam 1407 eslesmen benim toplam 1262 eslesmem var, cM bazinda esik degeri dusunce (FTDNA nin ki daha yuksek ve algoritmasi farkli) aradaki fark kayboluyor.

basmaci
09-02-2016, 06:55 AM
Bana bir yılı aşkın eşleşme gelmedi, son güncellemelerinden sonra üç tane 5th kuzen geldi, biri Türk, ikisi Amerikalı. Türk olanın mtdna ilginç D4j6, Tayvan subclade, bir zamanların Çinli prenses modasının hatırası sanırım haha

Leper
09-02-2016, 10:44 AM
Bana bir yılı aşkın eşleşme gelmedi, son güncellemelerinden sonra üç tane 5th kuzen geldi, biri Türk, ikisi Amerikalı. Türk olanın mtdna ilginç D4j6, Tayvan subclade, bir zamanların Çinli prenses modasının hatırası sanırım haha

Y-Dna'da eşleme var mı?

Anabasis
09-02-2016, 10:51 AM
Y-Dna'da eşleme var mı?

Evet aldığın marker sayısına göre diğer YDNA testi alanlar arasında karşılaştırma yapılıp eşleşmeler gerçekleşiyor. Fakat YDNA eşleşmeleri binlerce yıllık olabilir. ne kadar fazla marker alırsan eşleştiğin kişilerle ne kadar yakın yada uzak akraba olduğunu anlayabilirsin.

örneğin: 12 makerlık test aldın ve bu markerların STR değerleri ile birebir örtüşen 10-15 tane match çıktı. Bu kişilerle belki de 4-5 bin yıllık ortak dedeye sahipsin yada biriyle çok daha yakın. Eğer 67 markerlık test alırsan 12 markerda sana match görünen bir çok kişi sende 67 markerda match görünmeyecektir. Çünkü 67 markerda eşleşme olabilmesi için çok daha yakın akraba olman gerekir. Ama sen bu genetik konularında çok ileri gitmek istiyorsan sana tavsiyem 12 markerlık test al önce. Sonra BIG Y testi alıp çıkan sonucu yfull.com gibi yerlerde analiz ettir. Yfull sana senin BIG Y sonucunda göre 300-400 e yakın FTDNA da olmayan markerların sonucunu dahi verecektir. Hem BIG Y gibi full sequence testlerle SNP analiziyle ortak dede yaşını da bulabilirsin.

Leper
09-02-2016, 10:56 AM
Evet aldığın marker sayısına göre diğer YDNA testi alanlar arasında karşılaştırma yapılıp eşleşmeler gerçekleşiyor. Fakat YDNA eşleşmeleri binlerce yıllık olabilir. ne kadar fazla marker alırsan eşleştiğin kişilerle ne kadar yakın yada uzak akraba olduğunu anlayabilirsin.

örneğin: 12 makerlık test aldın ve bu markerların STR değerleri ile birebir örtüşen 10-15 tane match çıktı. Bu kişilerle belki de 4-5 bin yıllık ortak dedeye sahipsin yada biriyle çok daha yakın. Eğer 67 markerlık test alırsan 12 markerda sana match görünen bir çok kişi sende 67 markerda match görünmeyecektir. Çünkü 67 markerda eşleşme olabilmesi için çok daha yakın akraba olman gerekir. Ama sen bu genetik konularında çok ileri gitmek istiyorsan sana tavsiyem 12 markerlık test al önce. Sonra BIG Y testi alıp çıkan sonucu yfull.com gibi yerlerde analiz ettir. Yfull sana senin BIG Y sonucunda göre 300-400 e yakın FTDNA da olmayan markerların sonucunu dahi verecektir. Hem BIG Y gibi full sequence testlerle SNP analiziyle ortak dede yaşını da bulabilirsin.

Biliyorum, Y-12 yaptırdım zaten, aynen 10-15 tane eşleşme var. Aynı şekilde Mtdna'da 3-4 kişi var. Çok da bir şey ifade etmiyorlar açıkçası, ikisinde de yakından bir akrabam olduğunu sanmıyorum. BIG-Y de para israfı gibi gözüküyor.

Anabasis
09-02-2016, 11:55 AM
Biliyorum, Y-12 yaptırdım zaten, aynen 10-15 tane eşleşme var. Aynı şekilde Mtdna'da 3-4 kişi var. Çok da bir şey ifade etmiyorlar açıkçası, ikisinde de yakından bir akrabam olduğunu sanmıyorum. BIG-Y de para israfı gibi gözüküyor.

YDNA ne çıktı? Bu arada pahallı olsa da BIG Y kesinlikle para israfı değil. STR marker testleri para israfı. Bugün YDNA ya ait ne varsa SNP ler üzerinden değerlendirilmeli.

Leper
09-02-2016, 12:50 PM
YDNA ne çıktı? Bu arada pahallı olsa da BIG Y kesinlikle para israfı değil. STR marker testleri para israfı. Bugün YDNA ya ait ne varsa SNP ler üzerinden değerlendirilmeli.

Öyle de, Y-DNA konusunun -en azından benim için- çok da önem arz ettiğini düşünmüyorum. Autosomal seviyede admix'e etkisi etkisi çok az, haplogruplar v.s de ha keza öyle. Bilimsel araştırmalara katkısı dışında kişiye çok bir katkısı yok.

sgdavies@hotmail.com
09-02-2016, 12:57 PM
I understand all shown origins more or less except for the central european thing, I have no known ancestry from Europe, maybe somebody can explain ?

Galatians? or remnants of Byzantines who emigrated east? or Varangian guard ancestors? or medieval Crusaders, or Janissaries from the Balkans. So could be lots of things.

Leper
09-02-2016, 01:02 PM
Galatians? or remnants of Byzantines who emigrated east? or Varangian guard ancestors? or medieval Crusaders, or Janissaries from the Balkans. So could be lots of things.

Janissaries had no ethnic/genetic impact on Turks like the most people assume. Byzantines were moslty Anotalians themselves too, (except for the ones in Balkans and etc) so they are not genetically more European than modern Turks either, Crusaders didn't stay too long in everywhere in Anatolia, it's unlikely they're the sole reason of it. Not sure about the Galatians. Many Turks score some Central/West/British Isles on DNA tests.

sgdavies@hotmail.com
09-02-2016, 01:04 PM
Janissaries had no ethnic/genetic impact on Turks like the most people assume. Byzantines were moslty Anotalians themselves too, (except for the ones in Balkans and etc) so they are not genetically more European than modern Turks either, Crusaders didn't stay too long in everywhere in Anatolia, it's unlikely they're the sole reason of it. Not sure about the Galatians. Many Turks score some Central/West/British Isles on DNA tests.

So could be the Galatians then. I know they were still about during St Pauls letter to them.

XooR
09-02-2016, 01:05 PM
Öyle de, Y-DNA konusunun -en azından benim için- çok da önem arz ettiğini düşünmüyorum. Autosomal seviyede admix'e etkisi etkisi çok az, haplogruplar v.s de ha keza öyle. Bilimsel araştırmalara katkısı dışında kişiye çok bir katkısı yok.

Eger amacin otozomal duzeyde ilerlemekse, ailenden/yakinlarindan baska kisileride test ettirebilirsin. Ayni zamanda GEdmatch.com daki toollarinda cok yarari olur. Kesin olarak amacinin ne oldugunu soylersen daha saglikli bir sekilde yardimci olmaya calisiriz.

Leper
09-02-2016, 01:06 PM
Eger amacin otozomal duzeyde ilerlemekse, ailenden/yakinlarindan baska kisileride test ettirebilirsin. Ayni zamanda GEdmatch.com daki toollarinda cok yarari olur. Kesin olarak amacinin ne oldugunu soylersen daha saglikli bir sekilde yardimci olmaya calisiriz.

Hayır sadece karşılaştırmak amaçlı soruyorum. Herhangi bir özel bir amacım veya aklıma takılan bir sorun olduğundan değil.

Leper
09-02-2016, 01:09 PM
So could be the Galatians then. I know they were still about during St Pauls letter to them.

Could be, we know they ethnically remained in Central Anatolia for centuries (up until the 7th century AD I guess) although, as far as I know there is no genetic study about them so we can't be sure about it.

basmaci
09-04-2016, 06:46 AM
Y-Dna'da eşleme var mı?
Y. Dna da baya var, y12de 20 tane, Türk tatar Selkup şekel Macar kazak. Ama sonunda big-y aldım, orda kazan tatarı eşleşme var, 1200 yıl uzak bana, yani Anadolu göçü öncesi ayrıldığımız akrabam

Afshar
09-04-2016, 01:06 PM
Galatians? or remnants of Byzantines who emigrated east? or Varangian guard ancestors? or medieval Crusaders, or Janissaries from the Balkans. So could be lots of things.

I think its rathere an anatolian thing than the populations you mentioned. Offcourse they contributed to the genepool but on a more local level.

Caspian
09-04-2016, 06:19 PM
Y. Dna da baya var, y12de 20 tane, Türk tatar Selkup şekel Macar kazak. Ama sonunda big-y aldım, orda kazan tatarı eşleşme var, 1200 yıl uzak bana, yani Anadolu göçü öncesi ayrıldığımız akrabam

Merhaba. Acaba o Tatar mı "Tatarlaşmış Oğuz kökenli" yoksa senin ataların mı "Oğuzlaşmış Kıpçak kökenli" oluyor acaba. N1b Oğuzlarda boylarında yaygın bir haplogroup (benim mensup olduğum boyda da çok var). İlk ihtimal daha güçlü sanki? Fakat 100 yıl hata payı versek 1300 yıl öncesi Göktürkler dönemine denk geliyor. Oğuz ve Kıpçak uluslarının oluşumunun daha tamamlanmadığı bir dönemde yaşadı belki de atanız.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_Khaganate

basmaci
09-05-2016, 12:26 PM
Merhaba. Acaba o Tatar mı "Tatarlaşmış Oğuz kökenli" yoksa senin ataların mı "Oğuzlaşmış Kıpçak kökenli" oluyor acaba. N1b Oğuzlarda boylarında yaygın bir haplogroup (benim mensup olduğum boyda da çok var). İlk ihtimal daha güçlü sanki? Fakat 100 yıl hata payı versek 1300 yıl öncesi Göktürkler dönemine denk geliyor. Oğuz ve Kıpçak uluslarının oluşumunun daha tamamlanmadığı bir dönemde yaşadı belki de atanız.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_Khaganate
https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-VL73/ F06440 olan benim, diğeri Kazan Tatarı. evet Oğuz-Kıpçak durumunu bende düşündüm ama sanırım senin dediğin gibi onun Oğuz, daha doğrusu "Ogur"-Bulgar yani kuzeye yönelen Oğuzlardan olma olasılığı daha fazla, Kazan Bulgar hanlığının başkenti idi. Oğuz-Ogur farkı Türkçe'deki r-z ses değişiminden kaynaklanıyor. Şimdilerde Kazan Bulgarlarına Tatar diyorlar https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarlar evet Kıpçak Oğuz boyları o dönemde ayrışmış olabilir

Leper
09-05-2016, 03:07 PM
https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-VL73/ F06440 olan benim, diğeri Kazan Tatarı. evet Oğuz-Kıpçak durumunu bende düşündüm ama sanırım senin dediğin gibi onun Oğuz, daha doğrusu "Ogur"-Bulgar yani kuzeye yönelen Oğuzlardan olma olasılığı daha fazla, Kazan Bulgar hanlığının başkenti idi. Oğuz-Ogur farkı Türkçe'deki r-z ses değişiminden kaynaklanıyor. Şimdilerde Kazan Bulgarlarına Tatar diyorlar https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarlar evet Kıpçak Oğuz boyları o dönemde ayrışmış olabilir

Ogur lehçesi konuşan Türk boyları bizim bildiğimiz Oğuzlar'dan çok önce, Asya Hunları döneminde ortaya çıkıp genel Türkçe'yi konuşan gruplardan ayrıldılar. Oğuzlar ve Ogurlar birbirleri ile bağlantılı değiller yani. Gur/Guz Türkçede boy/kabile anlamına geliyor, o kafa karıştırıyor. Ogur boyları da Kutrigur, Altıgur, Onogur gibi sayılarla ifade ediliyordu, aynı Dokuz Oğuz, Üç Oğuz v.s. de olduğu gibi. Bunun dışında 1200 yıl öncesindeki bir eşleşme için böyle kesin ifadelerin kullanılması da yanlış. Birçok sebebi olabilir. Bunlar göçebeydi, iç ve dış hareketlilik çok fazlaydı her şey olabilir yani.

icebreaker
10-12-2016, 04:14 AM
Selam, FF sonuçlarında kaç tane match'iniz var FTDNA'da ve bunların kaçı Avrupalı ya da yabancı? Testi yapan arkadaşlar belirtirse sevinirim. Türklerin fazla kişi ile dna eşleşmesi çıkmıyor dedikleri doğru mu?

Mesajini yeni gördüm. Bende toplam 7 match var. 5'i yerli, 2'si yabanci. Yabancilarin birinde ortadogu tarzinda isim (arap?acem?) var, öbürü ise fransa'dan. Annemin de yedi matchi var. dördü yerli, üçü yabanci. Bir bulgar (babasi türk), ingiliz ve ismi ermeni soyismi kirgizlarda bolca rastlanan adli sahis var. Babamin da yedi matchi var ve hepsi anadolu'dan. Bu matchlardan üçü kesin trabzon'lu, bir tanesi de büyük ihtimalle dogu karadeniz'den(trabzon?rize?). Kalan üç matchden ikisi afyon'lu biri kayseri'li.

Tomris
11-08-2016, 03:00 PM
I've posted my results before. I thought I should post here too. :) ...with other Turkish results...
(Balkan Turk)

12512 12513

Afshar
11-08-2016, 06:20 PM
Hosgeldin Tomris

alhan
04-11-2017, 02:00 PM
For a while I've been reading and trying to understand the details of haplogroups, origins etc. More I read, more I'm confused.

For the moment, single question is which test would be best for me.

I am more interested for the recent history, I can not care less if my 34th grandfather was a farmer or hunter.

I'm from Malatya/Turkey from a village that is also my surname Alhanusagi.

The story told is that my ancestors came from Caucasia and they have Adygei origin.
This info is very recent 200 years tops.

My maternal is Turkish.

I have read all the posts here, several more in many other places.

I am guessing I will have high Asia Minor percentages if I tested with myOrigins.

There goes my question, would any of the tests like FamilyTreeDNA, 23andMe, livingDNA help me differ the ethnicity between Turkish, Adygei, Chechen or something else.

Which one of these tests have more sampling rate in Caucasia region?

Alkaevli
08-17-2017, 02:37 PM
Babamın Family Finder sonuçları geldi.

16 match var şu an: 7 Türk, 2 Amerikalı, 1 Sırp, 1 Kürt, 1 İranlı, 1 Ermeni, 1 İrlandalı, 2 belirsiz

Alkaevli
08-17-2017, 03:06 PM
I'm not able to post pics/links yet, so I will share my share my results later.