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Kurd
02-24-2015, 02:29 AM
Have you wandered how much your total admixture overlaps or is similar to other populations. I was, so I put together a program to calculate the member's total overlap with various populations reference zombies.

Some tend to focus on only 1 admixture component when comparing with other population. For example, a European with 0% S. Asian may assume that he has no similarity with a S. Asian. We tend to forget that we have to add the overlaps from all admixture components to get an idea of similarity, and not just focus on the component that we typically associate with a particular population. My graphs will show that the total overlap between Europeans and S. Asians is about 20 %, and with Iranians/kurds it is around 60%.

The steps taken to arrive at the results are as follows:

1- I created reference zombies from the means of the various components for a population. For example the S. Asian zombie's admixture is the mean of the components for Sein, Sapporo, Varun, etc. The Iranian/Kurd zombie's admixture is the mean of the components for myself, DMXX, Jesus, etc.

2- Each member's components were individually compared with the reference zombie's for overlap

3- The component overlaps were totalled for each member

4- The resulting spreadsheet was sorted and graphed.

Here are the resuts for Eurogenes k9. Moving forward, I intend to incorporate this data into my community plots:

Observations on SC Asian: Iranian/Kurds had about 70% overlap, and Europeans had about 25%

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20SC%20%20ASIAN_z psrxyqpiqx.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20SC%20%20ASIAN_z psrxyqpiqx.jpg.html)

Observations on S. Asian: Iranian/Kurds ~60% overlap. Europeans ~20%

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20S%20ASIAN_zpssc y4kwkl.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20S%20ASIAN_zpssc y4kwkl.jpg.html)

Kurd
02-24-2015, 02:32 AM
Europeans had about a 25% overlap with Iranian/Kurd reference;

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20IRANIAN_zpsmt2g lrq4.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20IRANIAN_zpsmt2g lrq4.jpg.html)

Kurd
02-24-2015, 04:41 AM
This one shows a steep gradient from Europe to the Middle East and S. Asia. Not much difference between the Middle East and S. Asia. Both regions show only about a 25% overlap with European admixture.

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20EUROPEAN_zpscj0 9hthh.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20EUROPEAN_zpscj0 9hthh.jpg.html)

Kurd
02-24-2015, 11:19 AM
This graph shows the percent admixture overlap/similarity of the members to the Mediterranean zombie:

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20MEDITERRANEAN_z psshp5bxvb.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20MEDITERRANEAN_z psshp5bxvb.jpg.html)

Chad Rohlfsen
02-24-2015, 01:21 PM
Kurd,
Looks great! Any chance you could throw me on too?

Kurd
02-24-2015, 04:00 PM
Kurd,
Looks great! Any chance you could throw me on too?

You can go ahead and post your data here. I had to do another run of this anyway, since I wanted to add Zeph, Icebreaker, and a couple of others. I was a little short on Turks, and some other Middle Eastern ethnic groups.

I would also like to take a moment and remind everyone that the accuracy of the zombies to a certain limit increases with greater number of participants. Although I had plenty of European participants, some of the references such as SC Asia, and Mediterranean where based on 2 members.

This is not a problem when I start plotting calculators that have posted an adequate number of references in their population spreadsheets.

It would be interesting to see whether the similarity graphs change substantially depending on the calculator used. I don't expect that to happen by much, however, I can take the similarity data from some of those calculators, and do similarity graphs based on averaging all of them.

Bulut
02-24-2015, 05:05 PM
Population
South Asian 5.30%
Caucasus 40.11%
Southwest Asian 11.36%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.42%
Siberian 6.69%
Mediterranean 18.75%
East Asian 2.84%
West African 0.24%
North European 14.30%

DMXX
02-24-2015, 06:15 PM
Very interesting stuff.

What you could do is take a GEDmatch calculator where the population averages are public (e.g. Dodecad K12b (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJDEoCgzRKedEY4Y3lTUVBaaFp0bC1zZlBDcTZEY lE&hl=en_US#gid=0)) and ask us to submit our results to you in a thread.

That way, you'll get a lot more sample coverage for your zombies. You could also better define the zombies further at your discretion. There's a lot of fun tinkering around to be had with this idea and I'm certain you'll produce something informative either way!

Kurd
02-25-2015, 03:19 AM
Here is the updated S. Asian Overlap/Similarity graph with Zeph, Icebreaker, Misspissi, Salkin, and Jtom added. I will be uploading the remaining graphs a little later

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20S%20ASIAN_zpsm9 nvudzp.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20S%20ASIAN_zpsm9 nvudzp.jpg.html)

EDIT: Revised AdamYZ's data

Hanna
02-25-2015, 04:19 AM
Me
Population
South Asian 2.55%
Caucasus 55.10%
Southwest Asian 12.06%
North Amerindian + Arctic -
Siberian 2.89%
Mediterranean 18.03%
East Asian 2.23%
West African 0.20%
North European 6.93%

Hanna
02-25-2015, 04:26 AM
My aunt

Population
South Asian 3.77%
Caucasus 60.47%
Southwest Asian 14.43%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.59%
Siberian 0.14%
Mediterranean 17.34%
East Asian -
West African -
North European 3.25%

Kurd
02-25-2015, 04:45 AM
Here is the updated graph including Icebreaker, Misspissi, Zeph, Salkin, and jtom. The remaining graphs will be uploaded tomorrow.


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20SC%20%20ASIAN_z psos5cgdeu.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20SC%20%20ASIAN_z psos5cgdeu.jpg.html)

Kurd
02-25-2015, 05:16 AM
Here is an updated graph that includes Hanna and my daughter:


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20SC%20%20ASIAN_z ps2wmwm7bk.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20SC%20%20ASIAN_z ps2wmwm7bk.jpg.html)

Kurd
02-25-2015, 05:37 AM
Here is the updated graph with Hanna, my daughter, and other community members added:


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20S%20ASIAN_zpsjy xrud40.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20S%20ASIAN_zpsjy xrud40.jpg.html)

Varun R
02-25-2015, 07:49 AM
Kurd,

Here are the K9 results from gedmatch kit (M121305)- the one Kenji posted ANE K7 results for on a previous thread. He appears to be a Gounder from Tamil Nadu. His results should alter your S Asia zombie somewhat, as he is uber S Indian. =)

South Asian 88.59%
Caucasus 4.94%
Southwest Asian -
North Amerindian + Arctic -
Siberian -
Mediterranean -
East Asian 5.21%
West African 1.26%
North European -

Kurd
02-25-2015, 11:59 AM
The following graphs have been updated to include a S. Indian Tamil individual. Since he was incorporated into the S. Asian references, everyone's percentages changed on this graph. Everyone's SC Asian percentages have not been affected. It is interesting to see that his overlap with SC Asian admixture is only about 35%.

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20S%20ASIAN_zps9p mgmazk.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20S%20ASIAN_zps9p mgmazk.jpg.html)


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20SC%20%20ASIAN_z psuf1bkpev.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20SC%20%20ASIAN_z psuf1bkpev.jpg.html)

Afshar
02-25-2015, 01:19 PM
Mine
Population
South Asian 4.94%
Caucasus 47.17%
Southwest Asian 14.00%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.95%
Siberian 4.18%
Mediterranean 17.15%
East Asian 2.70%
West African -
North European 8.91%

Caspian
02-25-2015, 05:28 PM
Mine
Population
South Asian 6.01%
Caucasus 48.91%
Southwest Asian 13.10%
North Amerindian + Arctic 1.00%
Siberian 3.70%
Mediterranean 15.84%
East Asian 6.22%
West African -
North European 5.22%

My Mom's
South Asian 6.58%
Caucasus 50.22%
Southwest Asian 15.00%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.97%
Siberian 1.99%
Mediterranean 13.25%
East Asian 3.92%
West African -
North European 8.06%

SwampThing27
02-25-2015, 10:57 PM
The following graphs have been updated to include a S. Indian Tamil individual. Since he was incorporated into the S. Asian references, everyone's percentages changed on this graph. Everyone's SC Asian percentages have not been affected. It is interesting to see that his overlap with SC Asian admixture is only about 35%.

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20S%20ASIAN_zps9p mgmazk.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20S%20ASIAN_zps9p mgmazk.jpg.html)


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20SC%20%20ASIAN_z psuf1bkpev.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20SC%20%20ASIAN_z psuf1bkpev.jpg.html)

It is interesting! According to the graph, Agamemnon, who is Med, overlaps more with SC Asians more than the Tamil individual.

Kurd
02-26-2015, 04:34 AM
Here is the updated graph containing additional members:


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20IRANIAN_zpsbljr 9zdi.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20IRANIAN_zpsbljr 9zdi.jpg.html)

vettor
02-26-2015, 05:20 AM
It is interesting! According to the graph, Agamemnon, who is Med, overlaps more with SC Asians more than the Tamil individual.

me too

Tamils are South Asians from southern India

maybe why I have 3.3 David... %

Varun R
02-26-2015, 08:49 AM
Hazara- M683104

South Asian 13.61%
Caucasus 24.61%
Southwest Asian 1.19%
North Amerindian + Arctic 1.11%
Siberian 18.51%
Mediterranean 1.46%
East Asian 27.50%
West African 0.07%
North European 11.93%

Kurd
02-26-2015, 02:11 PM
Hazara- M683104

South Asian 13.61%
Caucasus 24.61%
Southwest Asian 1.19%
North Amerindian + Arctic 1.11%
Siberian 18.51%
Mediterranean 1.46%
East Asian 27.50%
West African 0.07%
North European 11.93%

Varun,

Is most of your known ancestry from either maharashtra, orissa, andhra pradesh, karnataka, tamil nadu, or kerala?

Since the Tamil individual that you posted does not seem to be fitting in very well in the S Asian group, I am thinking of splitting that group into N India and S India.

If your ancestry is from any of those states, I will make you and him references for S Indian, which will increase both of your percentages for this category. This will also simultaneously increase percentages for Sapporo, Sein, etc. in the N Indian category and enable comparison of the community to N Ndian vs S Indian

Edit: If you have a couple of individuals from S India, I can make them references for S Indian

fil
02-26-2015, 02:53 PM
Here is mine (South Indian, Kerala)

Population
South Asian 67.54%
Caucasus 24.95%
Southwest Asian 1.83%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.34%
Siberian 0.47%
Mediterranean 1.42%
East Asian 2.28%
West African 0.53%
North European 0.64%

soulblighter
02-26-2015, 11:33 PM
And here is mine(South Indian, Tamil Iyer):

South Asian 69.46%
Caucasus 18.37%
Southwest Asian 0.67%
North Amerindian + Arctic -
Siberian 0.48%
Mediterranean -
East Asian 2.24%
West African 0.75%
North European 8.04%

soulblighter
02-26-2015, 11:43 PM
Varun,

Is most of your known ancestry from either maharashtra, orissa, andhra pradesh, karnataka, tamil nadu, or kerala?

Since the Tamil individual that you posted does not seem to be fitting in very well in the S Asian group, I am thinking of splitting that group into N India and S India.

If your ancestry is from any of those states, I will make you and him references for S Indian, which will increase both of your percentages for this category. This will also simultaneously increase percentages for Sapporo, Sein, etc. in the N Indian category and enable comparison of the community to N Ndian vs S Indian

Edit: If you have a couple of individuals from S India, I can make them references for S Indian

Many indian populations are very endogamous, and this is more so in the south. I would guess Varun and I have similar background and have ancestry originating in the south for atleast the past 1000 years. But we are definitely not representative of all southerners, because each group seems to be drifting in different ways.

parasar
02-27-2015, 03:41 AM
Eastern India. Should not skew your South Asian much since most of the changes are further north (Nepal), north-east (Sikkim, Bhutan, etc.), and south (Jharkhand) of my location.

Population
South Asian 60.13%
Caucasus 20.98%
Southwest Asian -
North Amerindian + Arctic 1.81%
Siberian -
Mediterranean 0.57%
East Asian 1.56%
West African -
North European 14.92%

Alanson
02-27-2015, 05:07 AM
My K9
South Asian 5.98
Caucasus 45.46
southwest Asian 25.36
North Amerindian+Arctic 0.65
Siberian 1.03
East Asian
Med 15.27
West African 2.91
North European 3.33

Kurd
02-27-2015, 05:15 AM
Here are the graphs showing the new categories of South and North India. References used for S. Indian all had S. Asian scores >60%. I defined N. Indian by references having S. Asian scores between 39% & 60%. Sein and AdamYZ fell into this category. I suppose most individuals from N. India and from Pakistan would fall into this group, based on their S. Asian scores.

Parasar, Soulblighter, and Fil , and the Hazara individual have been added to the charts.

Due to the number of participants, some of the Europeans with overlaps less than about 12% with S. Indian, and less than about 22% with N. Indian fell off the charts. While my overlap with N. Indians was at 64%, it fell to about 44% with S. Indian. Zahra & Rukha were at about 54% vs. S. Indian.

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20S%20INDIANS_zps mxbcf0dg.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20S%20INDIANS_zps mxbcf0dg.jpg.html)

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20N%20%20INDIANS_ zpsrmsmvtuh.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20N%20%20INDIANS_ zpsrmsmvtuh.jpg.html)

EDIT: Somehow Afshar and Iraqain did not plot. I'll make sure that they are in the next plots, with Alanson who just posted his data.

Helgenes50
02-27-2015, 06:37 AM
Once more thanks, your work is very interesting.

When I look at my results, about 5% don't overlap the European zomby.
For you, what is the origin of this difference ?

If I take the case of Roaring who is Russian, the difference certainly is siberian or East Asian, like most of Russians ( I suppose, I don't know him), it's just an example.

But in my case, Western European, Norman ie almost English genetically speaking ( not for my english) I don't see, African? maybe ! or something else

Kurd
02-27-2015, 11:50 AM
When I look at my results, about 5% don't overlap the European zomby.
For you, what is the origin of this difference ?


I assume that you mean that your overlap with the European zombie is +/- 5% of your "European" component. Keep in mind that those are 2 separate things. The European zombie's component values are based on the AVERAGE of the component values for ALL European references, of which your were a part (refer to my methodology under 1st post under this thread). The program compares the overlap of EACH of your component values with the European zombie's component values, and adds all the overlaps. Total overlap = overlap comp1 + overlap comp2+..........+overlap comp9.

Hope this helps.

Kurd
02-27-2015, 09:44 PM
Here are the graphs showing the new categories of South and North India. References used for S. Indian all had S. Asian scores >60%. I defined N. Indian by references having S. Asian scores between 39% & 60%. Sein and AdamYZ fell into this category. I suppose most individuals from N. India and from Pakistan would fall into this group, based on their S. Asian scores.

Parasar, Soulblighter, and Fil , and the Hazara individual have been added to the charts.

Due to the number of participants, some of the Europeans with overlaps less than about 12% with S. Indian, and less than about 22% with N. Indian fell off the charts. While my overlap with N. Indians was at 64%, it fell to about 44% with S. Indian. Zahra & Rukha were at about 54% vs. S. Indian.

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20S%20INDIANS_zps mxbcf0dg.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20S%20INDIANS_zps mxbcf0dg.jpg.html)

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20N%20%20INDIANS_ zpsrmsmvtuh.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20N%20%20INDIANS_ zpsrmsmvtuh.jpg.html)

EDIT: Somehow Afshar and Iraqain did not plot. I'll make sure that they are in the next plots, with Alanson who just posted his data.

At the request of a community "friend", I will be posting over the next day or so community overlap graphs with "Caucasus" population. Specifically, the Caucasus reference will be comprised of about 6 Armenians and 3 Georgians.Although informative to all, it may be more so for west asians, especially Iranians and Kurds, since it will allow them to compare their overlaps with Armenians/Georgians vs. SC Asians (Pashtuns, Afghan Tajiks,....), and thus see which way they lean more towards.

With this said, I need a couple more Afghan Pashtun or Afghan Tajiks to strengthen my SC Asian reference.

Kurd
02-28-2015, 01:55 PM
At the request of a community friend, I prepared the to show genetic admixture overlap for the community for SC Asian vs Caucasus. The Caucasus reference is comprised of 5 Armenians & 2 Georgians.

I have also plotted net shift of the community of SC Asian vs. Caucasus. This is basically = SC Asian overlap - Caucasus overlap. The members plotting in blue have a net SC Asian shift, and the ones in red are Caucasus net shifted, with the degree of shift shown on the vertical axis in %. It appears that according to the Eurogenes K9 calculator, Iranians/Kurds are genetically about midway between Caucasus & SC Asian, with other Western Asian/ Middle Eastern groups being noticeably more Caucasus shifted. It remains to be seen how much of this will be corroborated with some of the other calculators. I guess I will find out when I start analyzing them.

Due to the number of participants (57), I was not able to fit everyone on the same graph. The graphs containing the European members will be posted by tomorrow.

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20CAUCASUS%20ASIA NS_zpshgbna5m1.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20CAUCASUS%20ASIA NS_zpshgbna5m1.jpg.html)

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20COMMUNITY%20SC%20ASIAN%20VS%20CAU CASUS%20SHIFT_zpsqtaqqavr.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20COMMUNITY%20SC%20ASIAN%20VS%20CAU CASUS%20SHIFT_zpsqtaqqavr.jpg.html)

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20SC%20%20ASIAN%2 01_zpshk4craof.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20SC%20%20ASIAN%2 01_zpshk4craof.jpg.html)

Kurd
03-01-2015, 02:56 PM
Here are some charts/graphs that show the community's admixture overlap with S Indians & N Europeans using Eurogenes K9. I chose those 2 components because they have a large FST spread, and thus represent 2 ends of a wide spectrum.

The European references consisted of numerous Europeans members, with N European scores of about 65%+. The S Indian references consisted of Indians with S Indian scores >=60%.

The center chart shows the net admixture overlap shift, which is basically = S Indian overlap - N European overlap.

Turks, Assyrians, and Iraqi Mandeans plotted roughly midway between the 2 components. Another observation is that the community overlap with N Europeans takes a steep nose dive as we transition from Europeans to W Asian groups


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20NORTH%20EUROPEA NS_zpsill57cmy.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20NORTH%20EUROPEA NS_zpsill57cmy.jpg.html)

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20COMMUNITY%20S%20INDIAN%20VS%20N%2 0EUROPEAN%20NET%20SHIFT_zpstn6te2yi.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20COMMUNITY%20S%20INDIAN%20VS%20N%2 0EUROPEAN%20NET%20SHIFT_zpstn6te2yi.jpg.html)

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20SC%20%20ASIAN%2 02_zpsvx932gtb.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20SC%20%20ASIAN%2 02_zpsvx932gtb.jpg.html)

EDIT: There is a typo on the S.Asia chart. S. Asian should read S.Indians

MitchellSince1893
03-01-2015, 03:24 PM
On the top chart I was the most N. European, but on the bottom I moved 9 positions closer to South Asian. What are your thoughts as to what that means?

Kurd
03-01-2015, 03:39 PM
On the top chart I was the most N. European, but on the bottom I moved 9 positions closer to South Asian. What are your thoughts as to what that means?

The easiest way for me to explain this is, think of the N European and S. Indian clusters as 2 circles seperated from each other. Think of the N. European zombie or reference of which you were a part of at the center of the N European cluster or circle. You happened to be closest to the zombie who is located at the center of the circle based on you being nearest to the median/average of all N European references.

The center of the European cluster/circle is not the farthest point from the center of the S. Indian cluster/circle.

Hope this helps

MitchellSince1893
03-01-2015, 05:00 PM
Yes it does...thank you.

MonkeyDLuffy
03-04-2015, 07:06 AM
Which data I have to post here? Can you add me up there too? :)

Kurd
03-04-2015, 12:43 PM
Which data I have to post here? Can you add me up there too? :)

You can post your Eurogenes k9 here. I wiill try to do another run by this weekend.

MonkeyDLuffy
03-04-2015, 12:47 PM
My K9 results, thanks :)

South Asian 54.86%
Caucasus 26.17%
Southwest Asian -
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.94%
Siberian 2.06%
Mediterranean -
East Asian -
West African -
North European 15.98%

dp
03-04-2015, 10:38 PM
Very interesting stuff.

What you could do is take a GEDmatch calculator where the population averages are public (e.g. Dodecad K12b (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJDEoCgzRKedEY4Y3lTUVBaaFp0bC1zZlBDcTZEY lE&hl=en_US#gid=0)) and ask us to submit our results to you in a thread.

That way, you'll get a lot more sample coverage for your zombies. You could also better define the zombies further at your discretion. There's a lot of fun tinkering around to be had with this idea and I'm certain you'll produce something informative either way!

Great idea. I looked over the revisions, which now show clustering. I seem to be around the mean for Europeans.
dp :-)

Koshur_Sam
03-06-2015, 09:56 PM
My K9 Results as promised bro :)

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss152/SDotR_2009/931458c2-58ec-412d-a38e-bb3ca877e2e6.png (http://s571.photobucket.com/user/SDotR_2009/media/931458c2-58ec-412d-a38e-bb3ca877e2e6.png.html)

Sapporo
03-07-2015, 01:14 AM
My results are already part of the comparison but never posted them.

Population
South Asian 50.10%
Caucasus 31.26%
Southwest Asian -
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.74%
Siberian 1.61%
Mediterranean -
East Asian -
West African -
North European 16.28%

Kurd
03-08-2015, 05:20 AM
This one is revised to include Alanson, MonkeyDLuffy, and Koshur Sam. The European members whose overlap was<~35% did not fit into the graph.


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20COMMUNITY%20OVERLAP%20SC%20ASIANS _zps1eeqymm1.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20COMMUNITY%20OVERLAP%20SC%20ASIANS _zps1eeqymm1.jpg.html)

Kurd
03-08-2015, 06:04 AM
The revised graph includes Alanson, MonkeyDLuffy, and Koshur Sam. In the interest of preserving legibility, I did not include any members whose overlap was less than about 13%.

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20S%20INDIANS_zps cykmpyzt.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20SIMILARITY%20TO%20S%20INDIANS_zps cykmpyzt.jpg.html)

Kurd
03-08-2015, 02:35 PM
This graph shows whether the net admixture overlap is greater with SC Asian or Caucasus. Members near 0 on the vertical axis have show negligible net shift. Revision includes addition of Alanson, MonkeyKLuffy, and Koshur Sam.

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/EUROGENES%20K9%20COMMUNITY%20SC%20ASIAN%20VS%20CAU CASUS%20SHIFT_zps4djaa2gj.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/EUROGENES%20K9%20COMMUNITY%20SC%20ASIAN%20VS%20CAU CASUS%20SHIFT_zps4djaa2gj.jpg.html)

ViktorL1
03-11-2015, 07:03 PM
At the request of a community "friend", I will be posting over the next day or so community overlap graphs with "Caucasus" population. Specifically, the Caucasus reference will be comprised of about 6 Armenians and 3 Georgians.Although informative to all, it may be more so for west asians, especially Iranians and Kurds, since it will allow them to compare their overlaps with Armenians/Georgians vs. SC Asians (Pashtuns, Afghan Tajiks,....), and thus see which way they lean more towards.

With this said, I need a couple more Afghan Pashtun or Afghan Tajiks to strengthen my SC Asian reference.

You could add me. If you need a Central Asian reference.