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Tolan
02-27-2015, 05:11 AM
No calculator make the distinction between the North Atlantic and South Atlantic.
None, except perhaps one: Eurogenes K36
I noticed that by adding North Atlantic and Iberian, we find approximately the Atlantic component in Eurogenes K15.
There is no average per country for Eurogenes K36, so I got different results on different forums, with, if possible, un-mixed people.

Atlantic (K15)
Iberian+North_Atlantic (K36)

Basque/Spanish
45
46,8 (N=1)

Spanish
33
38,7 (N=7)

Northwestern French
33
32,1 (N=5)

Portuguese
27
31,5 (N=1)

British
30
30,3 (N=9)

Lille
27
25,8 (N=3)

North-German
27
25,6 (N=1)

Norwegian
23
22,5 (N=2)

Central European
20
18,2 (N=3)

Italian
20
16,1 (N=1)

Ukrainian
14
16 (N=1)

Albanian/Kosovo
15
13,6 (N=3)

Polish
19
13,1 (N=1)

Greek
13
11,5 (N=2)

Russian
15
11,1 (N=1)

Algerian
9
10,3 (N=1)

Finnish
17
2 (N=2)

Turkish
7
1,8 (N=3)

Proportion Iberian/North_Atlantique in Eurogenes K36:
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If there is a correlation between the Atlantic component in Eurogenes K15 and components North Atlantic and Iberian in Eurogene K36, then we can extrapolate our results for Eurogenes K15:
North_Atlantic (K36) + Iberian (K36) = Atlantic (K36)
North_Atlantic (K36) / Atlantic (K36) = A
A * Atlantic (K15) = North_Atlantic (K15)
Atlantic (K15) - North_Atlantic (K15) = South_Atlantic (K15)

My new results for Eurogenes K15 are: South-Atlantic: 16,38%; North_Atlantique: 14,78%

Helgenes50
02-27-2015, 01:47 PM
Let us not forget that the K15 Atlantic has two origins WHG and Neolithic, in K8, this component which peaks among the Basques is composed of 45 % WHG and 43 of NE., without forgetting 12 % of ANE

These results are confirmed with the ancient genomes in K36
The North Atlantic is present in the WHG and not in the Neolithics and the Iberian only among the farmers

The Iberian seems to be related to the Megalithic culture, like in the case of Gokhem who is rich of this component
Btw she clusters next to the Basques

It's certainly what we see in your results

SwampThing27
02-27-2015, 04:20 PM
N. Atlantic = 15.97
S. Atlantic = 14.13

Stephen1986
02-27-2015, 06:56 PM
My North Atlantic = 18.72%
My South Atlantic = 14.06%

My brother's North Atlantic = 16.98%
My brother's South Atlantic = 13.49%

Anglecynn
02-27-2015, 07:24 PM
Atlantic (K15): 24.73%

North Atlantic (K36): 14.58%
Iberian (K36): 8.78%

Atlantic (K36): 23.36%

14.58/23.36 = 0.624

0.624*24.73 = 15.43

North Atlantic K15: 15.43%
South Atlantic K15: 9.3%

vettor
02-27-2015, 07:50 PM
mine

North Atlantic : 11.618%

South Atlantic : 13.161%

randwulf
02-28-2015, 04:14 AM
North Atlantic - 13.17
South Atlantic - 12.21

vettor
02-28-2015, 06:04 AM
North Atlantic - 13.17
South Atlantic - 12.21

hmmm...i get a lot of french=basque as a marker...........your number are close to mine but more NA....you must have North west france ( Brittany )

Gray Fox
02-28-2015, 06:13 AM
North Atlantic: 12.73%
South Atlantic: 7.42%

Helgenes50
02-28-2015, 06:27 AM
hmmm...i get a lot of french=basque as a marker...........your number are close to mine but more NA....you must have North west france ( Brittany )

The NW French average on the graphic is composed of Bretons and Normans ( Cotentin)

Tolan
02-28-2015, 09:16 AM
The study of K36 for ancient DNA is very interesting (idea of Helgenes50 ;)).
It shows very clearly a difference of origin between "Iberian" and "North Atlantic".
Neolithic: mostly Iberian
Hunters-gatherers: mostly North-Atlantic

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Helgenes50
02-28-2015, 09:33 AM
With the ancient genomes, the difference is very clear

Anglecynn
02-28-2015, 12:00 PM
Very interesting. My Grandmother has quite high Iberian on K36...and also lower ANE on the K8 (About 12.5% iirc), but her WHG and EEF are slightly above average as well, so i guess her family retained more of the Neolithic ancestry than other parts of my family.

Anglecynn
02-28-2015, 12:05 PM
Are there any other K36 components that have such a clear correlation as well?

Helgenes50
02-28-2015, 12:19 PM
Are there any other K36 components that have such a clear correlation as well?

Yes, Eastern Euro, East central Euro, Fennoscandian and North sea are related to the WHG
Italian, West Med, East Med are related to the Neolithics...for K36

Shaikorth
02-28-2015, 12:29 PM
There's a very clear separation with Basque alone providing some overlap as Stuttgart doesn't have it but NE1 does.

WHG K36 results:
Basque 8.26-10.85%
East_Central_Euro 20.37-20.39%
Eastern_Euro 10.18-11.01%
Fennoscandian 33.58-38.97%
North_Atlantic 8.12-8.96%
North_Sea 13.24-16.07%

EEF K36 results:

Arabian 1.62-4.53%
Armenian 0-0.56%
Basque 0-3.45%
East_Balkan 2.65-5.07%
East_Med 13.67-14.94%
Iberian 13.97-16.26%
Italian 32.60-34.83%
Near_Eastern 0.42-1.58%
North_African 0.83-2.44%
West_Med 23.75-26.83%

Helgenes50
02-28-2015, 12:38 PM
There's a very clear separation with Basque alone providing some overlap as Stuttgart doesn't have it but NE1 does.

WHG K36 results:
Basque 8.26-10.85%
East_Central_Euro 20.37-20.39%
Eastern_Euro 10.18-11.01%
Fennoscandian 33.58-38.97%
North_Atlantic 8.12-8.96%
North_Sea 13.24-16.07%

EEF K36 results:

Arabian 1.62-4.53%
Armenian 0-0.56%
Basque 0-3.45%
East_Balkan 2.65-5.07%
East_Med 13.67-14.94%
Iberian 13.97-16.26%
Italian 32.60-34.83%
Near_Eastern 0.42-1.58%
North_African 0.83-2.44%
West_Med 23.75-26.83%

The Basque component in K36, is not so clear, this one is present in the Neolithics and the first Europeans, but for the other components like North Atlantic or Iberian, it's a real pleasure! we understand better where each part of our Ancestry is from.

Roaring
02-28-2015, 12:58 PM
Doesn't work for me: Atlantic-13, NA-8, Iberian-0.8, also does anybody knows what French stands for in K36?

Shaikorth
02-28-2015, 01:15 PM
Doesn't work for me: Atlantic-13, NA-8, Iberian-0.8, also does anybody knows what French stands for in K36?

You aren't Near Eastern enough, WHG's also get decent Atlantic in K15 but only North Atlantic and zero Iberian in K36.

French appears in Ajv58 but not in pure WHG's or EEF's. If it peaks in France it might represent ANE-shifted Basque or perhaps Yamnaya-shifted Basque in which case it also has more West Asian.

Tolan
02-28-2015, 01:38 PM
I asked myself the same question as you, and I made this graph by components, with the average of 4 groups of ancient DNA.
We can be classified into 4 groups:
Hunter-Gatherers: East-Central-Euro; Eastern-Euro; Fennoscandian, North-Sea, North-Atlantic
Neolithic: East-Balkan; East-Med; Iberian; Italian; West-Med
HG + Neolithic: Basque
Particularly after Neolithic: Central-Euro; French; North-Caucasian

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Anglecynn
02-28-2015, 02:50 PM
Just used rough estimates of those proportions and applied them to my own results, got this:

Bronze and Iron Age: 38.66%
Hunter-Gatherer: 30.79%
Neolithic: 17.49%
Palaeolithic: 9.44%
Other/Unknown: 3.63%

Completely artificial, but i was bored. xD

Some of them look like they should be combined to make sense, like i wouldn't know where the Palaeolithic would go, and the Neolithic is too low.

02-28-2015, 03:00 PM
I wouldn't read into it too much. Even CO1 gets a good amount of "Iberian".

Anglecynn
02-28-2015, 03:03 PM
I wouldn't read into it too much. Even CO1 gets a good amount of "Iberian".

Well yes, and that changes significantly with BR2 and IR1, and modern Hungarians.

randwulf
02-28-2015, 06:53 PM
hmmm...i get a lot of french=basque as a marker...........your number are close to mine but more NA....you must have North west france ( Brittany )

Yes, I was noticing that our numbers are similar. The calculators often plot me in Northern France, either east or west. Also, sometimes Belgium. My actual known ancestry is about seven parts West, slightly southerly, German (make a circle around Alsace, Saarland, Southern Hesse, NW Bavaria, Northern Baden-Wurttemberg) and add three parts English and you get almost all of it. Spice it with some unknown American mix. So, that mix pulls me slightly out of Germany into France, I guess, but a pretty good match I think.

Dalluin
07-17-2019, 09:24 PM
15,94 % North Atlantic
12,73 % South Atlantic