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Kurd
02-27-2015, 10:03 PM
As promised, I will be doing spreadsheets, charts, and graphs of FTDNA Myorigins this weekend. Razib Khan wrote a good article for FTDNA on the population references used for MyOrigins. You can find it at https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/ftdna/myorigins-population-clusters/. I recommend everone take a look at it to become familiar with the references.

It would help me if you can post your MyOrigins graphic under this thread, so that I don't have to fish for it under various old threads. The plots and graphs are best suited for less than 40 members. As such, I will most likely not be able to include relatives. The charts will be most informative if I get adequate members from various ethnic backgrounds. It would be best if I can get at least 5 members from various west asian and south asian groups.

To get started here are my results:

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/MyOrigins_zps0jwd1d9b.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/MyOrigins_zps0jwd1d9b.jpg.html)

SwampThing27
02-27-2015, 10:14 PM
Well, mine is pretty simple so I wont post the whole page, but to start off the North European results:
100% European

66% West and Central Europe
26% British Isles
8% Scandinavia

Anglecynn
02-27-2015, 10:21 PM
49% British Isles
35% Scandinavia
5% Eastern Europe
2% Southern Europe

9% Jewish Diaspora (A bit of an anomaly as none of my other family members have it, but i assume it is standing in for a pull towards the near east not covered by the European results)

Bulut
02-27-2015, 10:22 PM
I posted my results yesterday so i won't put the pic again.

-53% Asia Minor
-3% E. Middle East
-19% S. Europe
-7% E. Europe
-9% N.E. Asia
-8% C. Asia

Wulf Warrior
02-27-2015, 10:25 PM
3863

Hopefully you can see the image.

Gray Fox
02-27-2015, 10:38 PM
Here be mine:

45% British Isles
39% West and Central Europe
6% Finland and Northern Siberia
6% Southern Europe
4% Eastern Middle East

Kaido
02-27-2015, 10:38 PM
Here are my results.

3866

Humanist
02-27-2015, 11:03 PM
As promised, I will be doing spreadsheets, charts, and graphs of FTDNA Myorigins this weekend. Based on what I have seen, it seems that their analysis is based on good research.


The problem with myOrigins for us West Asians is that the reference populations are extremely limited. That is why Assyrians, Kurds, Iranians, Iraqi Mandaeans, Druze, etc. appear to be predominantly "Anatolian/Caucasus." See this thread (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2398-New-Population-Finder-Update-Finally) for more discussion.

Here are a couple of posts of mine from that particular thread on the subject of the FTDNA myOrigins analysis:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2398-New-Population-Finder-Update-Finally&p=39709&viewfull=1#post39709

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2398-New-Population-Finder-Update-Finally&p=39836&viewfull=1#post39836

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2398-New-Population-Finder-Update-Finally&p=39372&viewfull=1#post39372

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2398-New-Population-Finder-Update-Finally&p=48822&viewfull=1#post48822

Dr_McNinja
02-27-2015, 11:14 PM
Here's a bunch of South Asians:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE#gid=14

jesus
02-27-2015, 11:20 PM
My results + Sein's and his persian relative

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3725-My-Origin-results&p=65258&viewfull=1#post65258

Some North African results

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2398-New-Population-Finder-Update-Finally&p=71377#post71377

Dr_McNinja
02-27-2015, 11:34 PM
Here's a bunch of South Asians:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE#gid=14

You can use my father and mother instead of me (I'm HRP0349 and my mother is HRP0374). Or just my mother if you'd like.

CelticGerman
02-27-2015, 11:37 PM
North German3867

vettor
02-28-2015, 12:15 AM
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/myorigins_zpsdtuhxhmj.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/myorigins_zpsdtuhxhmj.jpg.html)

North Italian

Kurd
02-28-2015, 12:16 AM
The problem with myOrigins for us West Asians is that the reference populations are extremely limited. That is why Assyrians, Kurds, Iranians, Iraqi Mandaeans, Druze, etc. appear to be predominantly "Anatolian/Caucasus." See this thread (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2398-New-Population-Finder-Update-Finally) for more discussion.

Here are a couple of posts of mine from that particular thread on the subject of the FTDNA myOrigins analysis:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2398-New-Population-Finder-Update-Finally&p=39709&viewfull=1#post39709

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2398-New-Population-Finder-Update-Finally&p=39836&viewfull=1#post39836

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2398-New-Population-Finder-Update-Finally&p=39372&viewfull=1#post39372

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2398-New-Population-Finder-Update-Finally&p=48822&viewfull=1#post48822

I see your point. I will check with them next week to see if they have updated their references at all. Based on the reference link you provided, I agree that a Kurd, Iranian, or Assyrian's admixture would have to be analyzed for Asia Minor (Armenian, perhaps some Mediterranean references), E. Middle East (Iraqi, Kuwaiti, Saudi), Central Asian (Pashtun), and S. Asian (presumably Gujrati) overlap or specific markers, and subsequently assigned percentages.

I have noticed that all the large commercial companies like AncestryDNA, 23andMe, Geno tend to take a very conservative & over simplistic (perhaps in their view safe) approach, and lump individuals into broad geographic areas. In fact, the companies I mentioned tend to group into even broader regions than FTDNA. They may do this thinking that they will have less customers calling and complaining about being assigned wrong ethnic groups. This makes their analysis less informative, however, because many kurds or Assyrians don't learn much by being simply informed that they are Middle Eastern.

Tolan
02-28-2015, 12:27 AM
Mine:

99% European:

47% British Isles
35% Southern Europe
9% Eastern Europe
8% Western and Central Europe

1% North Africa

SwampThing27
02-28-2015, 12:30 AM
This calculator is like the opposite of 23andme for myself, but it's actually not totally unreasonable going by paper.

Humanist
02-28-2015, 12:34 AM
I see your point. I will check with them next week to see if they have updated their references at all. Based on the reference link you provided, I agree that a Kurd, Iranian, or Assyrian's admixture would have to be analyzed for Asia Minor (Armenian, perhaps some Mediterranean references), E. Middle East (Iraqi, Kuwaiti, Saudi), Central Asian (Pashtun), and S. Asian (presumably Gujrati) overlap, and subsequently assigned percentages.

I have noticed that all the large commercial companies like AncestryDNA, 23andMe, Geno tend to take a very conservative & over simplistic (perhaps in their view safe) approach, and lump individuals into broad geographic areas. In fact, the companies I mentioned tend to group into even broader regions than FTDNA. They may do this thinking that they will have less customers calling and complaining about being assigned wrong ethnic groups. This makes their analysis less informative, however, because many kurds or Assyrians don't learn much by being simply informed that they are Middle Eastern.


My results:

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/dok101041/humanist_myorigins.jpg


Iraqi Mandaean 1:

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/dok101041/Iraqi_Mandaean_1_myOrigins.jpg


Iraqi Mandaean 2:

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/dok101041/Iraqi_Mandaean_2_myOrigins.jpg

jesus
02-28-2015, 12:54 AM
My results:

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/dok101041/humanist_myorigins.jpg


Iraqi Mandaean 1:

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/dok101041/Iraqi_Mandaean_1_myOrigins.jpg


Iraqi Mandaean 2:

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/dok101041/Iraqi_Mandaean_2_myOrigins.jpg

Iraqi Mandaean 1&2 and you usually score higher Southwest asian than me but I still have more eastern middle east than both of you. Iraqi Mandaean 2 has interesting results, he has way higher eastern middle east and central asian. Does he usually get more different results in other calculators ?


Ahaddad's father who's Lebanese has similar results to you guys.

Middle East-98%
Anatolian Crossoards-75%
Eastern Afroasiatic-21%
North African-1%

Central Asia Eurasian Heartland-2%

What's interesting is that the Eastern middle east peaks Peaks in a Khorasani persian (over 80%) which makes me think that the Iraqis/Kuwaitis who were used in forming the eastern middle east component are not of full or real tribal Arab ancestry.

They named the component eastern middle east + they wrote about how " important " it was in creating Mesopotamian and Persian civilizations but they shaded they areas around Israel and Egypt instead of Iraq/Iran :crazy:

Humanist
02-28-2015, 01:04 AM
Ahaddad's father who's Lebanese has similar results to you guys.

Middle East-98%
Anatolian Crossoards-75%
Eastern Afroasiatic-21%
North African-1%

Central Asia Eurasian Heartland-2%

Ahaddad's father is a predominantly Chaldean Catholic originally from N Iraq. So, that probably explains his similarity to Assyrians and Iraqi Mandaeans.

Yes. The second Iraqi Mandaean is always a bit different than Iraqi Mandaean 1 and I. He usually registers a few percentage points of "African." However, overall, he is similar to both of us. His FTDNA myOrigins are atypical in that respect.



They named the component eastern middle east + they wrote about how " important " it was in creating Mesopotamian and Persian civilizations but they shaded they areas around Israel and Egypt instead of Iraq/Iran :crazy:

Yeah. Does not make much sense.

MitchellSince1893
02-28-2015, 01:34 AM
Mine below

3870

Táltos
02-28-2015, 02:24 AM
My results.
3871

randwulf
02-28-2015, 03:53 AM
100% European

42% Scandinavia
38% Southern Europe
20% Western and Central Europe

Jessie
02-28-2015, 05:48 AM
Mine is 100% British Isles.

http://i61.tinypic.com/10i8ih3.png

BalkanKiwi
02-28-2015, 06:03 AM
http://i.imgur.com/V3DjMY9.png (http://imgur.com/V3DjMY9)

BalkanKiwi
02-28-2015, 06:09 AM
Possibly a silly question, but may I ask what Western and Central Europe is meant to represent? Looking at other peoples results here, there are quite a few Western Europeans who don't even score any Western and Central Europe and who are more European than me.

rod
02-28-2015, 06:27 AM
3874
101% European
85% Western and Central Europe
11% British Isles
5% Scandinavian

Afshar
02-28-2015, 07:09 AM
Mine

Middle eastern
Anatolian 87%
European
Western and central 5%
Finland siberia 4%
Northeast asia 2%
Native american 2%

Helgenes50
02-28-2015, 07:33 AM
Mine

99 % Europe

33% Southern Europe
22 % Scandinavia
21 % British Isles
20 % Western Europe
2 % Finland, Siberie
1 % Eastern Europe

Shaikorth
02-28-2015, 09:30 AM
Possibly a silly question, but may I ask what Western and Central Europe is meant to represent? Looking at other peoples results here, there are quite a few Western Europeans who don't even score any Western and Central Europe and who are more European than me.

I've seen a 100% W&C Euro result, a French Canadian person got it. The cluster's genetically between British Isles and Southern Europe, probably somewhat closer to British Isles.

Some results that might be of interest:

BR2: 51% South Euro, 31% East Euro, 18% Scandi
Loschbour: 64% East Euro, 36% Finland
Stuttgart: 97% South Euro 3% North Africa
NE1: 87% South Euro 12% Jewish Diaspora 1% North Africa
Anzick1: 68% Native American 20% Northeast Asian 11% Finland 1% Central Asia

Razib has showed a Treemix run on the clusters:
https://dnaexplained.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/relatedness-of-clusters.jpg

BalkanKiwi
02-28-2015, 09:38 AM
I've seen a 100% W&C Euro result, a French Canadian person got it. The cluster's genetically between British Isles and Southern Europe, probably somewhat closer to British Isles.

Some results that might be of interest:

BR2: 51% South Euro, 31% East Euro, 18% Scandi
Loschbour: 64% East Euro, 36% Finland
Stuttgart: 97% South Euro 3% North Africa
NE1: 87% South Euro 12% Jewish Diaspora 1% North Africa
Anzick1: 68% Native American 20% Northeast Asian 11% Finland 1% Central Asia

Razib has showed a Treemix run on the clusters:
https://dnaexplained.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/relatedness-of-clusters.jpg

I've always thought my Western Europe represents my Croatian/Southern European ancestry in some way since I get no Southern Europe. Its the only way I can justify it being as high as it is. I don't know the population references to know if that's a realistic interpretation though.

Shaikorth
02-28-2015, 09:47 AM
I've always thought my Western Europe represents my Croatian/Southern European ancestry in some way since I get no Southern Europe. Its the only way I can justify it being as high as it is. I don't know the population references to know if that's a realistic interpretation though.

I suppose that's possible. The South European cluster is based on Italian and Iberian references so it might not show up for you. At the same time Balkans are more southeastern than the populations where British Isles and West-Central Euro is maximized, and the difference would manifest as some Anatolian.

BalkanKiwi
02-28-2015, 09:50 AM
I suppose that's possible. The South European cluster is based on Italian and Iberian references so it might not show up for you. At the same time Balkans are more southeastern than the populations where British Isles and West-Central Euro is maximized, and the difference would manifest as some Anatolian.

On paper I'm 1/4 Croatian which is why I was surprised when I first saw my results that Southern Europe wasn't represented. Because of this I haven't paid too much attention to MyOrigins. I assume my Asia Minor is probably connected to that line anyway.

Kurd
02-28-2015, 10:09 AM
Mine is 100% British Isles.

http://i61.tinypic.com/10i8ih3.png

How does this match up to your known ancestry?

Helgenes50
02-28-2015, 10:12 AM
I've seen a 100% W&C Euro result, a French Canadian person got it. The cluster's genetically between British Isles and Southern Europe, probably somewhat closer to British Isles.

Some results that might be of interest:

BR2: 51% South Euro, 31% East Euro, 18% Scandi
Loschbour: 64% East Euro, 36% Finland
Stuttgart: 97% South Euro 3% North Africa
NE1: 87% South Euro 12% Jewish Diaspora 1% North Africa
Anzick1: 68% Native American 20% Northeast Asian 11% Finland 1% Central Asia

Razib has showed a Treemix run on the clusters:
https://dnaexplained.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/relatedness-of-clusters.jpg

The Scandinavian component is not present in Loschbour ?

Kurd
02-28-2015, 10:20 AM
I've always thought my Western Europe represents my Croatian/Southern European ancestry in some way since I get no Southern Europe. Its the only way I can justify it being as high as it is. I don't know the population references to know if that's a realistic interpretation though.

Your Croatian/Southern European ancestry is likely showing up as Asia Minor with this analysis, and perhaps Ashkenazi. According to Razib, Southern Europe's strongest signature is in the Western Mediterranean.


EDIT:
Razib Khan wrote the following about Asia Minor:

"The Asia Minor group is present from South Asia, Turkey, the Caucasus, and along the shores of the Mediterranean Sea. It was home to early hunter-gatherers and farmers. It has a deep history and connects to many lineages. It is the mark of those who moved east to west, and back again, along what would become the Silk Road. The Asia Minor group is connected to the oldest groups of modern humans. As early humans left Africa, they settled in this area. The hunter-gatherers were eventually replaced by the first farmers.

Early recorded history confirms several cultures lived in this area and left their mark, such as the Phrygians, the Hurrians, the Hittites, the Hatti, and the Armenians. Later, the Turks swept down from Asia and brought people from the Asian Northeast group. Likewise, the Arab expansion brought members of the Eastern Eastern Middle East group to the southern borders of the Asia Minor. We find that it is the strongest in Turks from the Fertile Crescent and people from the Caucasus. Closed social groups, such as the Druze and Assyrians, also have clear signatures of the Asia Minor group, suggesting that their genes are native to the region."

He writes the following on Ashkenazi:

"The Ashkenazi Diaspora cluster has been scattered around the world because of the demands of history. Their ancestry is rooted in the ancient Near East, but the Ashkenazi Diaspora has combined during its history with a European heritage.

While Judaism is a religion, the Jewish people are also a nation. Modern Jews have diversified into numerous branches, such as the Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi, as well as odds and ends such as the Bene and Beta Israel. Unifying many of these populations are genetic commonalities, likely resulting from a common Middle Eastern ancestry. This combination of Middle Eastern and European is found in other groups, and many of them exhibit signatures of Ashkenazi Diaspora, but it is not common descent.

The Ashkenazi Diaspora puts a particular focus on the Ashkenazi Jews, who are the majority of the world’s Jewish population today. Derived from populations located within Central Europe, these Jews are now scattered across the world, with the largest concentrations in Israel and the United States."

Gray Fox
02-28-2015, 10:22 AM
Your Croatian/Southern European ancestry is likely showing up as Asia Minor with this analysis, and perhaps Ashkenazi

How would you interpret my Eastern middle east?

Shaikorth
02-28-2015, 10:25 AM
The Scandinavian component is not present in Loschbour ?

Scandinavian component certainly has Loschbour-related ancestry, but it seems that MyOrigins assings Loschbour like Lazaridis et al Finestructure run did.


Loschbour joins a cluster B that encompasses all Belarusian, Ukrainian, Mordovian, Russian, Estonian, Finnish, and Lithuanian individuals.

It's probably just a matter of those populations having more of it.

Jessie
02-28-2015, 10:37 AM
How does this match up to your known ancestry?

Irish so it does match. My brother tested on FTDNA is the same. I would have thought there might be some other regions that would show up but on 23andMe my brother is 96.8 B&I and the rest unspecified Northern Euro and I'm 94% B&I, 2.6%F&G and the rest unspecified Northern Euro so it looks like we are solidly Irish.

Kurd
02-28-2015, 10:50 AM
How would you interpret my Eastern middle east?

Eastern Middle East seems to be based on references from Iraq, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia. Do any of the gedmatch calculators show any SW Asia admixture? You may have a small input from that area going back some 20 generations. Perhaps, although not necessarily, your S. European ancestors may have input from this area.

Gray Fox
02-28-2015, 10:58 AM
Eastern Middle East seems to be based on references from Iraq, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia. Do any of the gedmatch calculators show any SW Asia admixture? You may have a small input from that area going back some 20 generations. Perhaps, although not necessarily, your S. European ancestors may have input from this area.

That was my initial thought upon receiving my results. I have numerous matches with fairly close "cousins" who have the same proportions. These matches and myself all seem to derive from an area in the US that didn't see any noticeable southern euro input. I also considered the possibility that my German palatinate ancestry may be pulling me in that direction. I'd say its doubtful that ftdna has a proper sample for that particular group of people. From what I've read they have largely been replaced over the years by other ethnic Germans. Just speculation on my part.

*Other than my south Asian being a tad higher than usual for west euros, I don't show any affinity to south/southwest Asia.

BalkanKiwi
02-28-2015, 11:36 AM
Your Croatian/Southern European ancestry is likely showing up as Asia Minor with this analysis, and perhaps Ashkenazi. According to Razib, Southern Europe's strongest signature is in the Western Mediterranean.


EDIT:
Razib Khan wrote the following about Asia Minor:

"The Asia Minor group is present from South Asia, Turkey, the Caucasus, and along the shores of the Mediterranean Sea. It was home to early hunter-gatherers and farmers. It has a deep history and connects to many lineages. It is the mark of those who moved east to west, and back again, along what would become the Silk Road. The Asia Minor group is connected to the oldest groups of modern humans. As early humans left Africa, they settled in this area. The hunter-gatherers were eventually replaced by the first farmers.

Early recorded history confirms several cultures lived in this area and left their mark, such as the Phrygians, the Hurrians, the Hittites, the Hatti, and the Armenians. Later, the Turks swept down from Asia and brought people from the Asian Northeast group. Likewise, the Arab expansion brought members of the Eastern Eastern Middle East group to the southern borders of the Asia Minor. We find that it is the strongest in Turks from the Fertile Crescent and people from the Caucasus. Closed social groups, such as the Druze and Assyrians, also have clear signatures of the Asia Minor group, suggesting that their genes are native to the region."

He writes the following on Ashkenazi:

"The Ashkenazi Diaspora cluster has been scattered around the world because of the demands of history. Their ancestry is rooted in the ancient Near East, but the Ashkenazi Diaspora has combined during its history with a European heritage.

While Judaism is a religion, the Jewish people are also a nation. Modern Jews have diversified into numerous branches, such as the Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi, as well as odds and ends such as the Bene and Beta Israel. Unifying many of these populations are genetic commonalities, likely resulting from a common Middle Eastern ancestry. This combination of Middle Eastern and European is found in other groups, and many of them exhibit signatures of Ashkenazi Diaspora, but it is not common descent.

The Ashkenazi Diaspora puts a particular focus on the Ashkenazi Jews, who are the majority of the world’s Jewish population today. Derived from populations located within Central Europe, these Jews are now scattered across the world, with the largest concentrations in Israel and the United States."

Thanks for this. It has also crossed my mind. I've found the Gedmatch calculators show a better representation of my ancestry anyway, even though nothing is 100% accurate.

evon
02-28-2015, 02:36 PM
Mine:
http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp207/vulcanphoto/mew.png

Wulf Warrior
02-28-2015, 02:39 PM
Mine:
http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp207/vulcanphoto/mew.png


I'm pretty surprised they've given you Southern European but not me, and less Northern Siberia than me.

evon
02-28-2015, 02:44 PM
I'm pretty surprised they've given you Southern European but not me, and less Northern Siberia than me.

I think the Siberian is via some distant ancestry (1650's) from Northern Norway on my fathers side, as my mother and grandmother, whom have Romani links to Finnish Kale, do not get any. The Southern European component is also via my fathers side, seems to be connected to Sephardic Jews, or something like that, as Ive found a few segments that indicate such ancestry, but I am currently working on it...Overall I think MyOrigins is still too simplistic, but its better than the previous one they had..

Wulf Warrior
02-28-2015, 04:24 PM
I think the Siberian is via some distant ancestry (1650's) from Northern Norway on my fathers side, as my mother and grandmother, whom have Romani links to Finnish Kale, do not get any. The Southern European component is also via my fathers side, seems to be connected to Sephardic Jews, or something like that, as Ive found a few segments that indicate such ancestry, but I am currently working on it...Overall I think MyOrigins is still too simplistic, but its better than the previous one they had..


The clusters do seem very broad, I don't get any Eastern European at all. It's probably hidden in Western and central Europe, since they claim Celts, Germans and Slavs to be what the cluster represents.

My North Finland and Siberia is at 9%, and there's no explanation as to why. The closest I got was that I do have a good portion of scandinavian ancestry and I share IBD segments with Finnish people because of this. That was from Davidksi. However my Scandinavian is only present at 9%.

I think MyOrigins could do with an update, and I agree I do prefer MyOrigins to Family Finder.

dp
02-28-2015, 04:49 PM
David Powell:
Western and Central Europe: 60%
Scandinavia: 32%
Southern Europe: 8%
Total European: 100%

PS: I don't know why I have no British Isles. My paternal uncle came in at about 40% B.I., so I'd think I would be about 20%. Similarly, my mom has no B.I., at FTDNA, but her sister on 23andme comes in at 57% British & Irish. To top it off I can prove that my mom matches people (at least one family) living in England. I think the testing companies should try to estimate how far back in time they are looking based on segment lengths (shorter segments the more ancient), couldn't they use ancient remains to calibrate their clocks...

evon
02-28-2015, 04:55 PM
The clusters do seem very broad, I don't get any Eastern European at all. It's probably hidden in Western and central Europe, since they claim Celts, Germans and Slavs to be what the cluster represents.

My North Finland and Siberia is at 9%, and there's no explanation as to why. The closest I got was that I do have a good portion of scandinavian ancestry and I share IBD segments with Finnish people because of this. That was from Davidksi. However my Scandinavian is only present at 9%.

I think MyOrigins could do with an update, and I agree I do prefer MyOrigins to Family Finder.

A potential explanation is that you have ancestry representing a migration of one of more individuals with a link to Finland/Northern Scandinavia, which could have come via the same ancestral line/s as the Scandinavian component. There have been allot of migration back and to between UK and the Nordic region, especially in the 16-1700's, and we even have a period of Norwegian history called the "Scottish period (http://nordlands-stream.com/html/NT1630.html)", which is due to large scale migration and settling..Many of these new settlers relocated to Northern Norway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordland), and some likely migrated back after making money, or going broke...My ancestral line to Northern Norway is via a German line that settled up North, but whom went bankrupt..Another potential link, is found in the city of Trondheim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trondheim), which has like Bergen, been a major trading hub, but whom unlike Bergen, is also located just a stone trow from South Saami villages, many whom likely assimilated into the Norwegian society from 1500 onwards...There are likely similar stories and historical events taking place in Sweden and Finland, so the options are quite allot..

Anglecynn
02-28-2015, 05:11 PM
DP made a good point, it's important to realise how much it varies between family members with very similar ancestry. So they might get two very different combinations that equal about the same genetic position relative to everyone else. Like my mother gets 96% West and Central Europe but i get 0% for example, don't take the components too literally.

Hanna
02-28-2015, 05:43 PM
Me

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p206x206/11033182_441078336067844_3095208998093683921_n.jpg ?oh=31125a856023815a1e48908fad38c28d&oe=5584FBF7&__gda__=1434459722_ef7ad35afbb93f986caa327bca621ea 8

My grandmother

https://scontent-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/l/t1.0-9/10670046_362380387270973_6247741221175152425_n.jpg ?oh=ce1833b326be7da6e74f7234904d3eec&oe=5595DE6C

My grandfather

https://scontent-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10394539_362380240604321_2882392126516351297_n.jpg ?oh=531ee65796d7ed93f7508d0b6b9f6a95&oe=557A49F3

vettor
02-28-2015, 06:20 PM
On paper I'm 1/4 Croatian which is why I was surprised when I first saw my results that Southern Europe wasn't represented. Because of this I haven't paid too much attention to MyOrigins. I assume my Asia Minor is probably connected to that line anyway.

If myorigins is supposed to be from a range 1500 to 2000 years ago, then don't croatians state they came from central europe, and migrated to their present location?

Wulf Warrior
02-28-2015, 06:26 PM
A potential explanation is that you have ancestry representing a migration of one of more individuals with a link to Finland/Northern Scandinavia, which could have come via the same ancestral line/s as the Scandinavian component. There have been allot of migration back and to between UK and the Nordic region, especially in the 16-1700's, and we even have a period of Norwegian history called the "Scottish period (http://nordlands-stream.com/html/NT1630.html)", which is due to large scale migration and settling..Many of these new settlers relocated to Northern Norway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordland), and some likely migrated back after making money, or going broke...My ancestral line to Northern Norway is via a German line that settled up North, but whom went bankrupt..Another potential link, is found in the city of Trondheim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trondheim), which has like Bergen, been a major trading hub, but whom unlike Bergen, is also located just a stone trow from South Saami villages, many whom likely assimilated into the Norwegian society from 1500 onwards...There are likely similar stories and historical events taking place in Sweden and Finland, so the options are quite allot..

That's some cool information evon, thanks!

vettor
02-28-2015, 06:34 PM
So, can anyone confirm that myOrigins covers the same period as the old PF ( which was based on 2000 years old )..................or does it represent the last 500 years similar to what 23andme state for their plotting model

icebreaker
02-28-2015, 07:29 PM
http://i.imgur.com/2Zq8TT7.jpg

Jessie
02-28-2015, 07:31 PM
I'm a bit envious of everyone with their colourful charts and varied ancestry. :)

BalkanKiwi
02-28-2015, 09:07 PM
If myorigins is supposed to be from a range 1500 to 2000 years ago, then don't croatians state they came from central europe, and migrated to their present location?

According to reliable Wikipedia, there are a few origin theories, including the Slavic and Iranian theories. Apparently the Slavic is the most accepted. Did Slavics originate from Western/Central Europe?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_peoples#Migrations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_peoples#Migrations)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_hypotheses_of_the_Croats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_hypotheses_of_the_Croats)

EDIT: The Western and Central Europe cluster description mentions this:

"Western and Central Europe represents the diverse groups brought together over the past 5,000 years, as Germans, Celts, and Slavs have moved in with their cattle, and the Romans brought their mills and cities".

I assume they also moved out.

Kurd
03-08-2015, 01:29 AM
For starters, this is the MyOrigins community graph for Asian component totals, which is a sum of Middle East, S & SC Asian, and E. Asian. N. Siberian was not included as I was not able to separate it from the Finland component. Most European members had 0 totals and were thus not included:


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/ASIAN%20TOTALS_zpsjv7vrzwp.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/ASIAN%20TOTALS_zpsjv7vrzwp.jpg.html)

This one is a graph of the total of S. Asian, SC Asian, and E. Asian. Most European members had 0 totals and were thus not included.



http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/S%20amp%20E%20ASIAN%20TOTALS_zpslovzk5tb.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/S%20amp%20E%20ASIAN%20TOTALS_zpslovzk5tb.jpg.html)

Afshar
03-08-2015, 10:23 AM
For starters, this is the MyOrigins community graph for Asian component totals, which is a sum of Middle East, S & SC Asian, and E. Asian. N. Siberian was not included as I was not able to separate it from the Finland component. Most European members had 0 totals and were thus not included:


http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/ASIAN%20TOTALS_zpsjv7vrzwp.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/ASIAN%20TOTALS_zpsjv7vrzwp.jpg.html)

This one is a graph of the total of S. Asian, SC Asian, and E. Asian. Most European members had 0 totals and were thus not included.



http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/S%20amp%20E%20ASIAN%20TOTALS_zpslovzk5tb.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/S%20amp%20E%20ASIAN%20TOTALS_zpslovzk5tb.jpg.html)
Curious of what the absence of Central Asian in my data means

Shamash
03-08-2015, 10:37 AM
my Austrian father's MyOrigins results:3972

Shamash
03-08-2015, 10:54 AM
my Austrian father's MyOrigins results:

3973

John Doe
03-08-2015, 12:33 PM
Here are my results, posted pictures but in case you don't see:
96% Ashkenazi Diaspora
4% Scandinavian

Stephen1986
03-12-2015, 07:49 PM
Here's mine -

100% European

85% British Isles
15% Scandinavian

And my brother's results, which as often happens, shows Southern European/West Asian components -

98% European

65% British Isles
24% West and Central Europe
9% Scandinavia

2% Middle Eastern

2% Eastern Middle East

Darko
03-22-2015, 01:33 PM
I'am north african my origins result completed friday are:

African: 60%
-west Africa :38%
- Eeast central Africa 22%

Middle Eastern: 36%
-Eastern middle east 21%
-North Africa:15%

European: 04%
- Southern European:04%

Y-DNA: R1A1
MT: L2A1C

Anabasis
03-22-2015, 01:43 PM
My Result
%100 Minor Asian

4118

Arbogan
03-24-2015, 10:21 PM
this analysis is nortoriously inaccurate. But here is mine anyway:

asia minor: 54%
eastern near-east: 24%
central-asia: 22%

It's only useful in the broadest understanding of ancestry. Its embarrasing that a company that specializes in DNA, does analysises worse than what some people do with open source tools.

Reith
03-25-2015, 12:00 PM
Cool part for me is that the area inbetween the 4 zones is actually where a lot of my family is from..

4152

fil
03-26-2015, 09:23 PM
I know it's late but I will post mine here too.
4162

South Asian 90%
- South Asia 47%
- Central Asia 43%

East Asia 8%
- South East Asia 8%

African 2%
- East Central Africa 2%

N21163
03-26-2015, 11:53 PM
MyOrigins results

N21163 (myself):
European 96%
- British Isles 58%
- Scandinavia 29%
- Southern Europe 7%
- Eastern Europe 2%

Central/South Asian 4%
- Central Asia 4%

4176

Father:
European 100%
- British Isles 60%
- Scandinavia 29%
- Southern Europe 9%
- Western and Central Europe 2%

4177

Mother:
European 100%
- British Isles 47%
- Western and Central Europe 39%
- Scandinavia 11%
- Finland and Northern Siberia 4%

4178

Great-Aunt: (mother's mother's sister)
European 99%
- British Isles 62%
- Scandinavia 29%
- Southern Europe 8%

Middle Eastern 2%
- Asia Minor 2%

4179

Bleuteufel
03-27-2015, 04:48 AM
Here are my results (1/2 African American, 1/4 Germany (Lower Saxony), 1/4 Latvia),

European 53%
-Scandinavia 35%
-Eastern Europe 13%
- British Isles 5%

African 48%
- West Africa 46%
- South-Central Africa 2%

Ignis90
03-28-2015, 01:39 AM
I'am north african my origins result completed friday are:

African: 60%
-west Africa :38%
- Eeast central Africa 22%

Middle Eastern: 36%
-Eastern middle east 21%
-North Africa:15%

European: 04%
- Southern European:04%

Y-DNA: R1A1
MT: L2A1C

From which community/country? Based on your very uncommon Y-chromosome haplogroup - together with your autosomes - you seem to be from a cosmopolitan place.

Darko
03-28-2015, 01:54 AM
From which community/country? Based on your very uncommon Y-chromosome haplogroup - together with your autosomes - you seem to be from a cosmopolitan place.

i don't think that R1A1 haplogroup is uncommon

Ignis90
03-28-2015, 01:56 AM
i don't think that R1A1 haplogroup is uncommon

In North Africa, it is. It's probably a recent arrival through the Middle East.

Darko
03-28-2015, 10:08 AM
In North Africa, it is. It's probably a recent arrival through the Middle East probably.

yes my subclade is uncommon in North Africa it can be arrival from middle east or maybe with other civilisations like phoenician, roman, vandal or byzantin all these people settled in North Africa and were mixed with indigenous.

Ignis90
03-28-2015, 10:26 AM
yes my subclade is uncommon in North Africa it can be arrival from middle east or maybe with other civilisations like phoenician, roman, vandal or byzantin all these people settled in North Africa and were mixed with indigenous.

That's very likely although I'm betting on islamic-era influx.

You'll have to check out if you're ANE-admixed or not, since indigenous have no ANE ancestry (unlike almost all West Eurasians).

Darko
03-28-2015, 01:31 PM
That's very likely although I'm betting on islamic-era influx.

You'll have to check out if you're ANE-admixed or not, since indigenous have no ANE ancestry (unlike almost all West Eurasians).

Here are my results:

ANE 0.65%
ASE 0.05%
WHG-UHG 7.91%
East_Eurasian 2.10%
West_African 8.19%
East_African 48.76%
ENF 32.34%

Ignis90
03-29-2015, 04:57 AM
Here are my results:

ANE 0.65%
ASE 0.05%
WHG-UHG 7.91%
East_Eurasian 2.10%
West_African 8.19%
East_African 48.76%
ENF 32.34%

Not the best calculator, it should be the K8 instead. But based on this, you probably do not have signifcant ANE. East Eurasian is probably noise or some kind of Basal thing.
Do you have some Nilo-Saharan ancestry?

Darko
03-29-2015, 11:30 AM
[QUOTE=Ignis90;76592]Not the best calculator, it should be the K8 instead. But based on this, you probably do not have signifcant ANE. East Eurasian is probably noise or some kind of Basal thing.
Do you have some Nilo-Saharan ancestry?[/

i don't know exactly if i have Nilo-saharan ancestry but my mother's origins is subsaharan,in fact i 'am from very mixed region we have arab, berbére (Amazigh) and subsaharan ancestry and my Y-DNA confirmed subclade is very basal (R1a-SRY10831.2*) while most North African R1A belongs to the indo-iranian subclade R-Z93.

Ignis90
03-30-2015, 12:58 PM
Not the best calculator, it should be the K8 instead. But based on this, you probably do not have signifcant ANE. East Eurasian is probably noise or some kind of Basal thing.
Do you have some Nilo-Saharan ancestry?[/

i don't know exactly if i have Nilo-saharan ancestry but my mother's origins is subsaharan,in fact i 'am from very mixed region we have arab, berbére (Amazigh) and subsaharan ancestry and my Y-DNA confirmed subclade is very basal (R1a-SRY10831.2*) while most North African R1A belongs to the indo-iranian subclade R-Z93.

Your very high East African is a sign your mother's origins aren't from West Africa. That's why I'm thinking Nilo-Saharan speakers of the Eastern Sahel and the Southeasternmost part of the Sahara.

I don't know if you have Arab ancestry because you score no ANE. Unless the Arab invasion of North Africa was made by ANE-less Middle Easterners.

Which company did your y-dna testing if I may ask?

Darko
03-30-2015, 01:05 PM
Your very high East African is a sign your mother's origins aren't from West Africa. That's why I'm thinking Nilo-Saharan speakers of the Eastern Sahel and the Southeasternmost part of the Sahara.

I don't know if you have Arab ancestry because you score no ANE. Unless the Arab invasion of North Africa was made by ANE-less Middle Easterners.

Which company did your y-dna testing if I may ask?

I do my test with FTDN

psaglav
12-24-2015, 04:41 PM
7034

Here's my myOrigins, which I find way too broad and not very helpful. I also agree with previous comments about a lot of reference populations being dumped into Anatolia/Caucasus.

As for me, I don't have Anatolian ancestry that I know of but do have ancestry from at least two Caucasus populations. I wish they'd make things more distinct.

Hanna
12-24-2015, 04:50 PM
7034

Here's my myOrigins, which I find way too broad and not very helpful. I also agree with previous comments about a lot of reference populations being dumped into Anatolia/Caucasus.

As for me, I don't have Anatolian ancestry that I know of but do have ancestry from at least two Caucasus populations. I wish they'd make things more distinct.

Your Anatolian Caucasus percentage is high and your Asian percentage is interesting. You sure you don't have any Turkish ancestry??

psaglav
12-24-2015, 04:57 PM
Your Anatolian Caucasus percentage is high and your Asian percentage is interesting. You sure you don't have any Turkish ancestry??

I do. :) I am a Turkish national but all my ancestry that my family knows of are from outside Anatolia mainly Balkans, Eastern Europe and the Caucasus. The most Anatolian ancestor that I know of is Armenian, on my father's side. I may have other ancestry that I don't know of; my mom's maternal side is a bit of a question mark and all I get from that side are NE European matches but I can't trace anything.

Hanna
12-24-2015, 05:07 PM
I do. :) I am a Turkish national but all my ancestry that my family knows of are from outside Anatolia mainly Balkans, Eastern Europe and the Caucasus. The most Anatolian ancestor that I know of is Armenian, on my father's side. I may have other ancestry that I don't know of; my mom's maternal side is a bit of a question mark and all I get from that side are NE European matches but I can't trace anything.

Oh It's normal then for you to have Anatolian/Caucasus. People from the Balkan do score Anatolian/Caucasus and you said you have Armenian ancestry from your father's side, Armenians are from Anatolia. So nothing abnormal with your results.

Did you upload your DNA file onto gedmatch to get a better analysis??

psaglav
12-24-2015, 05:15 PM
Oh It's normal then for you to have Anatolian/Caucasus. People from the Balkan do score Anatolian/Caucasus and you said you have Armenian ancestry from your father's side, Armenians are from Anatolia. So noting abnormal with your results.

Did you upload your DNA file onto gedmatch to get a better analysis??

I didn't think there was anything abnormal per se, but that the results are pretty vague, considering. They get (especially Western) Europe a lot more detailed.

Yep, I have tried several GedMatch calculators, some with more interesting results than others but generally I "score" around the Balkan peninsula. I have had some interesting 4 population oracle matches with populations such as Mordvins, however.

Hanna
12-24-2015, 05:19 PM
I didn't think there was anything abnormal per se, but that the results are pretty vague, considering. They get (especially Western) Europe a lot more detailed.

Yep, I have tried several GedMatch calculators, some with more interesting results than others but generally I "score" around the Balkan peninsula. I have had some interesting 4 population oracle matches with populations such as Mordvins, however.

Could you share your gedmatch ID?? I'd like to see you results on Gemdatch, if it isn't personal?

psaglav
12-24-2015, 05:43 PM
Could you share your gedmatch ID?? I'd like to see you results on Gemdatch, if it isn't personal?

I'll send you a PM.

J.E.Thompson
12-25-2015, 02:28 PM
93% European
46% Brittish Isle
34% Scandinavia
13% Southern Europe
7% Asia Minor

Scandinavian shows up consistently in my admixtures, primarily Norwegian.
My ancestry on paper includes Scottish, Dutch, German, Welsh, Scots-Irish, but no Scandinavian.
In my opinion, it must come from the Scottish interaction with the Norwegians.

Here are the numbers from AncestryDNA
Europe99%
• Great Britain77%
• Scandinavia6%
• Ireland5%
• Trace Regions
11%
• Italy/Greece6%
• Iberian Peninsula3%
• Finland/Northwest Russia1%
• Europe West< 1%
• Europe East< 1%
West Asia< 1%
• Trace Regions
< 1%
Caucasus< 1%

The AncestryDNA gives a bit more definitive breakdown. In various admixtures Iberian consistently appears in the roughly 3-6% range. Which makes the normal R1B route genetics match my ethnicity estimates. Being R1B-Z253, my DNA should run the migration through Ireland. Again, leaving me without Norwegian or Scandinavian DNA. But, my terminal SNP is BY325. In Alex Williamson's Big Tree there are only two BY325+ listed. One UK the other Norwegian. Again, somewhere in my wandering DNA there's a Norwegian.
My mtDNA on FTDNA shows many Scandinavian matches, so there must some DNA through my X Side that pre-dates the last of my German and Dutch relatives. This would add to the family tree mystery. Both my Y- & X- DNA's have a long ago Scandinavian connection.

kingjohn
07-24-2016, 12:40 PM
mine ftdna my originis
looking forward for there update update
10597
regards
adam

p.s
very cool to see all results
i have to say i see germans and austrians here with southern european component
and some significant 20% and above surprised me very cool .

wombatofthenorth
07-25-2016, 01:43 AM
Possibly a silly question, but may I ask what Western and Central Europe is meant to represent? Looking at other peoples results here, there are quite a few Western Europeans who don't even score any Western and Central Europe and who are more European than me.

It is supposed to be Western continental Europe east of Spain and excluding Denmark. It is surprising some who get none of it but I think that whole region is such a mish-mash of surrounding regions that often something from surrounding areas ends up being picked up enough that it ends up going with those things instead.

wombatofthenorth
07-25-2016, 01:49 AM
I've always thought my Western Europe represents my Croatian/Southern European ancestry in some way since I get no Southern Europe. Its the only way I can justify it being as high as it is. I don't know the population references to know if that's a realistic interpretation though.

Isn't Croatian supposed to come up largely Eastern European? Although that category should probably be split into two parts and it is not and since it seems to peak in Latvians that means it might have a bit of trouble fully picking up the Balkan/Southern Slavic groups so perhaps some of it ends up coming up as other stuff.

I'd think your British ancestry could easily come up as partly West and Central Europe, especially if it's not Irish, Scottish or Welsh, English almost always get a decent bit coming up as West and Central Europe.

wombatofthenorth
07-25-2016, 01:54 AM
On paper I'm 1/4 Croatian which is why I was surprised when I first saw my results that Southern Europe wasn't represented. Because of this I haven't paid too much attention to MyOrigins. I assume my Asia Minor is probably connected to that line anyway.

Maybe it somehow averaged West & Central with Asia Minor for Croatian???? It shouldn't come up as either but I could guess it could maybe look like some 50:50 mix??? I am surprised you got that little Eastern European.

wombatofthenorth
07-25-2016, 02:10 AM
To add a new type of result to the mix from what I've seen so far....

For my dad, Geno 2.0 NG (but, for now at least, it gives the same % as MyOrigins but has more accurate maps and since I can't get the image upload to work here and the only linked images I have are the Geno 2.0 NG ones I present these ones instead of the MyOrigins maps):
https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8669/27846085123_0862e597f1_o.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8592/27846085033_099acee120_o.jpg
and for kicks I show the two closest reference populations they had to him (which also provides some useful context to MyOrigins people who get none of the 66 items of background info that Geno 2.0 NG testers get):
https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8654/27846085253_f982da69b0_o.jpg

wombatofthenorth
07-25-2016, 02:13 AM
I don't have images online with links but my mom gets:
96% Eastern Europe
3% Finland and Siberia
(and 2% Oceanian on Geno 2.0)

wombatofthenorth
07-25-2016, 02:22 AM
Possibly a silly question, but may I ask what Western and Central Europe is meant to represent? Looking at other peoples results here, there are quite a few Western Europeans who don't even score any Western and Central Europe and who are more European than me.

Interestingly, on another thread, someone says that Croatians should perhaps test a bit differently than others in the region and get a bit more Western and Central European lean in part than other Balkan.

JMcB
07-25-2016, 02:59 AM
Well, here's mine. While I do have a little Italian & German on my maternal Grandfather's side of the family, the 19% Southern European seemed a little high, while the Eastern European seems just about right. But who knows how things were sliced & diced or what unknown migration or ancestry is at play.

10619

jortita
07-25-2016, 03:47 AM
10620

Abdullah
07-25-2016, 04:55 AM
Me
10621


My cousin

10622

Abd.H
07-25-2016, 03:36 PM
I have a relatively low percentages of North African and Eastern Middle East and relatively high percentage of Asian Minor


my results :


http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10634&stc=1
10634

AJL
07-25-2016, 04:14 PM
I have a relatively low percentages of North African and Eastern Middle East and relatively high percentage of Asian Minor


my results :


http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10634&stc=1
10634

Syria is at the very edge of the Asia Minor/EME regions, and if you come from the far west of Syria where most of the population is from, the "Mediterranean European" might be a fairly normal coastal Levant component that one could expect coastal Syrian and Lebanese will have.

I am a bit more surprised at Abdullah and his cousin's results, and would have guessed from those alone that they came from somewhere like Egypt rather than KSA. The results might still be consist with Bedouins from the very far north of Arabia but don't seem like they should fit close to Saudi averages from the more densely populated areas, unless FTDNA's maps (or population samples) are off.

galon07
07-25-2016, 04:58 PM
As I hadn't posted mine here, here it is:

10636

Abd.H
07-25-2016, 06:09 PM
Syria is at the very edge of the Asia Minor/EME regions, and if you come from the far west of Syria where most of the population is from, the "Mediterranean European" might be a fairly normal coastal Levant component that one could expect coastal Syrian and Lebanese will have..
Right ,I am from the North Western corner of Syria


I am a bit more surprised at Abdullah and his cousin's results, and would have guessed from those alone that they came from somewhere like Egypt rather than KSA. The results might still be consist with Bedouins from the very far north of Arabia but don't seem like they should fit close to Saudi averages from the more densely populated areas, unless FTDNA's maps (or population samples) are off .
Yes , I think their results fit the Northern Side of Arabian peninsula like for example Ha'il Region or Tabuk Region .

Abdullah
07-25-2016, 07:29 PM
Yes , I think their results fit the Northern Side of Arabian peninsula like for example Ha'il Region or Tabuk Region .

Iam from middle of saudi (Najd region)


All saudi results score high percentage of Middle Eastern especially Eastern Middle East , There is saudi person from ( Dammam city) the capital of the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia , score %100 of Eastern Middle East .

Kiln
07-26-2016, 02:57 AM
Europe 99%

British Isles: 37%
Southern Europe: 35%
Scandinavia: 18%
Eastern Europe: 9%

wombatofthenorth
07-26-2016, 03:36 AM
Here are some more.
First some Latvians:
Here are a number of Geno 2.0 NG/MyOrigins results for some more Latvians:
88% EE + 12% F&S
89% EE + 11% F&S
93% EE + 7% F&S
98% EE +2% F&S
100%EE

Then two Russians:
82% Eastern European + 15% Finnish and Siberian + 3% Northeast Asian
87% Eastern European + 10% Finnish and Siberian + 3% Northeast Asian