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Kurd
03-31-2015, 06:37 AM
The following copyrighted maps are posted with permission of the author, Dr. Mehrdad Izady http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/maps.shtml. The maps show the distribution of Kurds & other Iranic groups in Iran & Central Asia. Note the Kurdi areas of Balochistan (Serhadi Kurds). I will be writing about them in the near future. The Kurds of Afghanistan are not shown on the maps, perhaps due to their lower numbers.

http://i.imgur.com/OQKqT2e.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ckj4Zj9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dDKMsKC.jpg

jesus
03-31-2015, 06:44 AM
Those maps are nice, but I noticed a huge mistake done by the author. Larestanis were listed as " Arab " in the second graph, a common mistake largely because the Majority of Larestanis are Sunni.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larestani_people

Kaido
03-31-2015, 07:22 AM
Some really cool maps on that site. Also I had no idea there were Kurds in Afghanistan, interesting stuff.

surbakhunWeesste
03-31-2015, 08:16 AM
I will be writing about them in the near future. The Kurds of Afghanistan are not shown on the maps, perhaps due to their lower numbers.

There are decent number of Kurds in Afghanistan esp. in Western and Central regions. Beautiful and brave people.

The Barnacle
03-31-2015, 01:10 PM
Didn't really know there was Kurds in Afghanistan. Maybe at a very low percentage, perhaps they've been assimilated within the population?

Kurd
03-31-2015, 02:00 PM
Some really cool maps on that site. Also I had no idea there were Kurds in Afghanistan, interesting stuff.

I believe that some of the Kurds of Afghanistan may have spilled over from Khorasan province Iran into the Herat area. CSKK (Cultural & Civil Society of Khorasani Kurds) http://www.cskk.org/en/index.php, is one source of information on Khorasani Kurds.

Ali Mardan Khan was the Kurd governor of Kandhar in the early 17th century http://www.ask.com/wiki/Ali_Mardan_Khan?o=2801&qsrc=999&ad=doubleDown&an=apn&ap=ask.com. He was later appointed as governor of Kashmir, Lahore, and Kabul by the Mughal emperor of India Shah Jahan. His tomb (mazar) is at Mughalpura Rd., Lahore http://www.orientalarchitecture.com/pakistan/lahore/ali-mardan-khan_tomb.php. There are some videos of it on youtube.

Another source of Afghan Kurds were probably some Kurd tribes of Irani Balochistan, which I am currently writing an article on. For example, in the late 1500s, Shah Abbas sent 7 brothers from Kurdistan to Sarhad to serve as Nazims (Governors). The Kurds were ideal candidates for displacement to Baluchistan, because of their nomadic lifestyle, and their reputation for bravery and fighting. They were sent to govern the lawless areas of Baluchistan, and collect taxes for the Shah. With the help of the Governor of Bampur, they gained possession of Khash, and the neighboring areas, where they took up residence.

The fate of the 7 brothers was as follows:
1. Mir Afzal, the youngest, remained in Khash;
2. Kamar Ali, went to Kalat (Pakistan), where he joined the Brahui tribe. A subsection of that tribe, known as Kamar Alis, are his descendants;
3. Another brother went to Nushki, which is near Quetta Pakistan, and his descendant was Sardar Rasool Khan;
4. Another brother went to Kandahar, Afghanistan, and eventually took up residence in the Bolan. His descendant was Sardar Yar Mohammad, son of Sardar Allah Dinah, Kurd-Brahui;

Kaido
03-31-2015, 05:43 PM
This map is pretty cool.

http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/images/maps/Pashtun_Confederacies_sm.png

Alanson
04-01-2015, 05:32 AM
They forgot the Kumzari of Oman who are an Iranic people they differ from the majority of Omanis in being Sunni instead of Ibadhi

Caspian
04-06-2015, 05:51 PM
There isn't Kurdish majority in "Western Azerbaijan" province. Those maps usually aren't not accurate. I really don't understand that why the West Azerbaijan province is shown as Kurdish area in many Kurdish maps. Kurds aren't ethnic majority in Urmia, Maku, Khoy or Naqadeh. They are only majority of Mahabad city in the province.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Azerbaijan_Province
I really wonder when Urmia was a Kurdish city?

Kurdish inhabited regions of Iran.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Map_of_Kurdish-inhabited_provinces_of_Iran%2C_according_to_a_poll _in_2010.PNG

Azeri inhabited regions of Iran.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Map_of_Azerbaijani-inhabited_regions_of_Iran%2C_according_to_a_poll_i n_2010.PNG
76% of West Azerbaijan province's people are Azeri naturally.

http://i.imgur.com/ckj4Zj9.jpg
That is what a stupid map. Ayrum, Afshar, Shahsevan, Qajar, Qaragozlu, Qarapapaq, Oyrat, Ojaq, Baharlu, Timurtash and Qarali they aren't different ethnicities LoL. All of them are Azeri speaking tribes and dialects names of Azerbaijani language. Kurds and others aren't homogeneous people, they have got many tribes and dialects too. Also Kurdish dialects aren't mutual intelligible (very interesting) but all of Azeri dialects of tribes and Qashqai dialect are mutually intelligible and very little differents, so Azeris are more homogenous people than Kurds etc.

fil
04-06-2015, 09:44 PM
What about Kurds in the Levant? My fiancÚ's family says they are originally Kurdish-Persian

The Barnacle
04-07-2015, 12:22 AM
What about Kurds in the Levant? My fiancÚ's family says they are originally Kurdish-Persian

Syrian Kurds that are in Syria. As we'll as the Druze which have Iranic roots from khorasan

The Barnacle
04-07-2015, 12:24 AM
On a side note....how can a country have a uninhabitable zone!????? Half of Iran is inhabitable? Huh? Can't people live in deserts nowadays lol? Can't be worse than the Arabian peninsula surely

Arbogan
04-09-2015, 11:00 PM
Just to remind the good folks here. No politics and especially no ethnical politics.

pegasus
04-30-2015, 02:36 AM
There are decent number of Kurds in Afghanistan esp. in Western and Central regions. Beautiful and brave people.

Yes I know 2 Afghan Kurds from Herat. NE Iran has a sizable population of Kurds.
Kurd is right Afghans Kurds are spillover from Kurdish populations in NE Iran.

The Barnacle
04-30-2015, 09:49 AM
Yes I know 2 Afghan Kurds from Herat. NE Iran has a sizable population of Kurds.
Kurd is right Afghans Kurds are spillover from Kurdish populations in NE Iran.

I've never met afghan Kurds, how long were they in Afghanistan? Were they culturally more afghan Persian or Kurdish?

pegasus
04-30-2015, 10:38 AM
I've never met afghan Kurds, how long were they in Afghanistan? Were they culturally more afghan Persian or Kurdish?

They speak Dari, and basically Persianized culturally. Their family clan name as well how they looked were the only indications. They looked different than your typical
Herati Tajik.

DMXX
08-14-2015, 10:25 AM
In Northwest Iran, the overwhelming majority of Kurds are Kurmanji speakers. My father has told me that some of the villages in West Azerbaijan province (Azarbaijan-e Gharbi) have been predominantly Kurdish for a very long time. However, a lot of them (including our ancestral area north of Khoy) were mixed between Azeris and Kurmanjis.

He went further, stating "our" village had slightly more Kurmanjis than Azeris (with an Armenian minority) before the Islamic Revolution. Relations between the two were generally good (occasionally brotherly; so much so my father picked up some Kurmanji playing football with his neighbours). Many Kurmanjis left for Turkey after 1979. In recent years, some have returned back, although the relations have become tenser due to politics (PJAK militants regularly rode through our village from 2000-2005).

I state the above in reference to some of the maps shared online, which give the impression of a sharp demarcation between Kurds and non-Kurds in places like Iran. That generally isn't the case. Most of the areas inhabited by Kurds and Azeris overlap either between one another or with neighbouring peoples. The frequencies in these overlapping areas occasionally change with time for numerous reasons.

Arame
12-27-2015, 01:48 PM
That map is not of good resolution. Hardly readable. The Yellow color. They are Tatts in Iran?

Kurd
12-31-2015, 05:27 PM
That map is not of good resolution. Hardly readable. The Yellow color. They are Tatts in Iran?

The following links to maps show Kurd inhabited areas in eastern and western Iran:

http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/images/maps/Iran_Tribes_and_Environment_sm.png

http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/images/maps/Iran_Languages_lg.png

Znertu
03-27-2016, 11:19 PM
I made two historical maps the users here might appreciate, one of the Kurds' dispersion in the 7th century, and the other of the Kurds' history in the Levant. The latter is still a WIP, and I do not in any way pretend it's exhaustive, but it's meant to give a general idea of where the Kurds were noteworthy in those regions.

My Twitter account (https://twitter.com/Nexshezan/media)

ancestryfan1994
03-28-2016, 03:09 AM
There isn't Kurdish majority in "Western Azerbaijan" province. Those maps usually aren't not accurate. I really don't understand that why the West Azerbaijan province is shown as Kurdish area in many Kurdish maps. Kurds aren't ethnic majority in Urmia, Maku, Khoy or Naqadeh. They are only majority of Mahabad city in the province.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Azerbaijan_Province
I really wonder when Urmia was a Kurdish city?

Kurdish inhabited regions of Iran.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Map_of_Kurdish-inhabited_provinces_of_Iran%2C_according_to_a_poll _in_2010.PNG

Azeri inhabited regions of Iran.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Map_of_Azerbaijani-inhabited_regions_of_Iran%2C_according_to_a_poll_i n_2010.PNG
76% of West Azerbaijan province's people are Azeri naturally.

http://i.imgur.com/ckj4Zj9.jpg
That is what a stupid map. Ayrum, Afshar, Shahsevan, Qajar, Qaragozlu, Qarapapaq, Oyrat, Ojaq, Baharlu, Timurtash and Qarali they aren't different ethnicities LoL. All of them are Azeri speaking tribes and dialects names of Azerbaijani language. Kurds and others aren't homogeneous people, they have got many tribes and dialects too. Also Kurdish dialects aren't mutual intelligible (very interesting) but all of Azeri dialects of tribes and Qashqai dialect are mutually intelligible and very little differents, so Azeris are more homogenous people than Kurds etc.

That second map has a huge inaccuracy, southern Iran (khuzestan), is majority ethnic Persian and yet the map has labeled those areas as "arab". Theres an arab presence there, especially in Ahwaz, and quite recently my families hometown Abadan, but a huge stretch to label them as arab areas. They're mostly ethnic Persian, like my family.

dp
11-02-2016, 09:22 PM
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Source:
"Characterization of Greater Middle Eastern genetic variation for enhanced disease gene discovery"

Eric M Scott, Anason Halees, Yuval Itan, Emily G Spencer, Yupeng He, Mostafa Abdellateef Azab, Stacey B Gabriel, Aziz Belkadi, Bertrand Boisson, Laurent Abel, Andrew G Clark, Greater Middle East Variome Consortium, Fowzan S Alkuraya, Jean-Laurent Casanova & Joseph G Gleeson
Nature Genetics 48, 1071–1076 (2016) doi:10.1038/ng.3592

Received 12 January 2016
Accepted 20 May 2016
Published online 18 July 2016
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v48/n9/fig_tab/ng.3592_F1.html

Not sure which International forum this best fits, but it's focus reminds me of the K10 Kurdish calculator.
dp :-)