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Palisto
11-10-2012, 10:01 PM
I made a STR111 tree of haplogroup T with 66 individuals. Since this tree is not based on SNPs at all, some of the individuals are a little bit off, e.g. T1b individual from South Africa (207007), and the T1b1a individual from the Palestinian Territory (207019). In other words, T1b (L131) seems to be quite old.
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More here:
http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/2012/11/haplogroup-t-str111-tree.html

DMXX
11-11-2012, 03:56 AM
Generally seems convincing enough; T1a and T1b are split quite cleanly into two distinct macro-clusters.

Palisto
11-11-2012, 05:22 AM
Generally seems convincing enough; T1a and T1b are split quite cleanly into two distinct macro-clusters.

Yes, two macro-clusters. There is one individual from Ethiopia (206965), he seems to belong to T1a (even though he was not tested for it). There is another person from Egypt (219881), he is also T1a. Africa seems to be T1a only. South Asia seems to be T1a, too.

Only the Middle East and Europe has individuals from both macro-clusters T1b and T1a.

DMXX
11-11-2012, 11:02 PM
From the subclade distribution alone, if we were to ignore the other valued information (MRCA's, SNP's etc.), it would appear the origin of Haplogroup T would be around the Middle-East or Europe since that is the overlap zone of T1a and T1b. The additional distribution of T1a in Africa and South Asia, however, would push it more towards the Middle-East due to geographic proximity between the two.

Not exactly a precise science, but an educated guess based on your charts.

Kurd
01-10-2015, 05:50 PM
I made a STR111 tree of haplogroup T with 66 individuals. Since this tree is not based on SNPs at all, some of the individuals are a little bit off, e.g. T1b individual from South Africa (207007), and the T1b1a individual from the Palestinian Territory (207019). In other words, T1b (L131) seems to be quite old.
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More here:
http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/2012/11/haplogroup-t-str111-tree.html

Good job with the STR tree. My dad tested T at 23andme. His subclade is unknown.

Petr
01-11-2015, 12:15 AM
You can try to check

M193 = rs2032676 = pos. 15014505 mutation: del -> AACA
So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs2032676 shows I, your dad is T1

L490 = rs2040607 = pos. 14529630 mutation: G -> A
So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs2040607 shows A, your dad is T1

M70 = rs2032672 = pos. 21893881 mutation: A -> C
So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs2032672 shows C, your dad is T1a.

L162 = rs34179999 = pos. 16019072 mutation: G -> C
So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs34179999 shows C, your dad is T1a1.

L208 = rs35815655 = pos. 6736443 mutation: C -> T
So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs35815655 shows T, your dad is T1a1a.

P77 = i4000222 or i5049559 = pos. 14926202 mutation G -> A
So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=i4000222 or https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=i5049559 shows A, your dad is T1a1a1a1.

and maybe some others SNPs can be checked.

vettor
01-11-2015, 12:50 AM
You can try to check

M193 = rs2032676 = pos. 15014505 mutation: del -> AACA
So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs2032676 shows I, your dad is T1

L490 = rs2040607 = pos. 14529630 mutation: G -> A
So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs2040607 shows A, your dad is T1

M70 = rs2032672 = pos. 21893881 mutation: A -> C
So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs2032672 shows C, your dad is T1a.

L162 = rs34179999 = pos. 16019072 mutation: G -> C
So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs34179999 shows C, your dad is T1a1.

L208 = rs35815655 = pos. 6736443 mutation: C -> T
So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs35815655 shows T, your dad is T1a1a.

P77 = i4000222 or i5049559 = pos. 14926202 mutation G -> A
So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=i4000222 or https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=i5049559 shows A, your dad is T1a1a1a1.

and maybe some others SNPs can be checked.


whats does intergenic mean ?.........as I get this comment when I open M193...............I am confirmed negative for this SNP ( as well as my son )

vettor
01-19-2015, 09:36 PM
reading this link below

http://www.academia.edu/3642572/Unraveling_the_Prehistoric_Ancestry_of_the_present-day_Inhabitants_of_Northeast_Africa._An_Archaeogen etic_Approach_to_Neolithisation

Haplogroup T has its highest variability inthe region of present-day Syria and diversified there for a long period of time. It must have arise nearlier than the T1-M70 coalescence age of 17 kya.A migration to Northeast Africa from this area occurred by T1a-Page21* males with a coalescenceage of 14 kya. A similar migration was by T1a1b-P77 males with a coalescence age of 7.6 kya(Mendez et al. 2011). These lineages may well have entered Northeast Africa during the same migration shortly after 7.6 kya as a group of distantly related male farmers. Haplogroups R1b1c-V88 and T thus inform of relevant male migrations to NortheastAfrica.

This to me indicates that T1a-page21* is the only T1 found in Egypt and also that it was further tested and no further downstream marker was found , which is why it has a * ...........?!

Amos
06-20-2015, 10:21 PM
Im Amos
Acording to geno 2 my Yhaplogrup is T1a2b ( L-446 )
My paternal ancestros records to 1450 all in the basque country Spain
Any sugestion of ancien origen ?

GarethH
06-21-2015, 01:13 PM
Im Amos
Acording to geno 2 my Yhaplogrup is T1a2b ( L-446 )
My paternal ancestros records to 1450 all in the basque country Spain
Any sugestion of ancien origen ?

Amos, have you transferred your Geno2 results to FTDNA and joined the Haplogroup T Project? If you have please let me know your kit number and I will advise.

Thanks

Gareth
Haplogroup T Project Admin (volunteer)

vettor
07-11-2015, 07:01 PM
Amos, have you transferred your Geno2 results to FTDNA and joined the Haplogroup T Project? If you have please let me know your kit number and I will advise.

Thanks

Gareth
Haplogroup T Project Admin (volunteer)

please let me know if he is the same person , from Alava ( basque lands ) and his mother is from Guipuxoa ( J1c1b ) ..........I think its called Pais_Vasco lands................