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sailingdeac
04-26-2015, 07:20 PM
ISOGG has developed several downstream SNP tests for related subclades of YDNA E1a1. One defines Ashkenazis; one defines a Mandenkas African man; two others appear to define two other origins. ISOGG's 2015 tree now defines the Ashkenazi subclades. Others are awaiting confirming snp tests and are viewable at https://sites.google.com/site/compositeytree/e1a

The E1a1 project with ISOGG is searching for confirming tests. Eligible are those who are M44 SNP (E1a1) , or are E, E1a with DYS391=9 and DYS392=12 (very likely E1a1). Email me or reply here for details.

Agamemnon
04-27-2015, 02:26 AM
How do you think E1a1 ended up in the Ashkenazi gene pool? Is it even found in other Jewish groups? I have 5 E1a1 relatives in my RF.

sailingdeac
04-28-2015, 12:27 AM
How do you think E1a1 ended up in the Ashkenazi gene pool? Is it even found in other Jewish groups? I have 5 E1a1 relatives in my RF.

I prefer to let others speculate on the gene pool, and some have. I am not aware of other Jewish groups with E1a1.
You may benefit by having the E1a1 relatives join the e1a1 project found at https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/e-1a-1/about

Assuming your 5 relatives are male, then it is definitely expected that they all would be the seem ydna haplogroup. Only one needs to test to represent them all The project provides guidance in what to test and records the result in the project YDNA page.

sailingdeac
04-28-2015, 12:28 AM
I must of course add that not all E1a1 men are Ashkenazi. Sme may be of recent African origin, others from england, etc. The ongoing Big Y testing at ftdna is attempting to define the subclades.

Bonnie
01-09-2016, 05:51 PM
sailingdeac,

We have a sample from Cameroon that is very likely some kind of E1a, based on comparison of its STRs with those in the E1a project and published data. Would you like to sponsor any tests on it?

Bonnie

kingjohn
01-09-2016, 06:03 PM
agamemnon
some of the e1a haplogroup could be ancient
in europe here look at this paper http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1529-8817.2005.00161.x/full
e1a was found 3% in north portugal
a quate from the paper e1a probably arrived to portugal long ago not conected to the e1b1a {e3a}

The presence in Portugal of both the A and E1 haplogroups may be independent from the slave trade (otherwise E3a would be well represented since it comprises the majority of West Africa lineages). These findings either suggest a pre-Neolithic migration from North Africa or a more recent origin from a founder population of small size that did not carry haplogroup E3a, which is a major component in North African populations today. TMRCA for Portuguese E1 lineages estimated as 22.9 7.2 ky (Table 2) favours the first scenario, a possible parallel to mtDNA U6 cited in Gonzalez et al. (2003).

p.s e1a could also be ancient among levant and maybe some of the hebrews carry this haplogroup.

regards
adam

sailingdeac
01-09-2016, 09:32 PM
For insight to the levant see the e1a1 subgroups at https://sites.google.com/site/compositeytree/e1

sailingdeac
01-09-2016, 09:36 PM
I emailed privately Key for e1a1 are the str values of dys391 and 392. See
https://sites.google.com/site/compositeytree/e1 for the most recent snp testing for e1a1 terminal snps

kingjohn
01-09-2016, 10:01 PM
here is a paper showing
the autosomal results of jewish and non-jewish e1a1 members
british e1a1c
https://sites.google.com/site/haplogroupe1a1/home/ancestor-origins
i personally think that e1a1 could arrived with roman auxiliry from portugal
or later with the normans .
regards
adam

RCO
01-10-2016, 01:50 AM
Another possibility of E1a in Portugal and Iberia would be the Almoravids and Almohads but more NGS tests would be needed to investigate African branches.

sailingdeac
01-10-2016, 03:46 AM
Bonnie please email me at sailingdeac AT suddenlink.net. Doug

kingjohn
01-10-2016, 08:32 AM
i agree this could be possible
but how do you explain a german person name rhein http://www.rheinandlaeng.com/descendants.html {go to middle of page see his result}
he can trace is ancestor to 1595 alsace deep in the hourt of europe he belong to e1a { same goes for british members }
his descendents autosomal result in the link above typical german/british results {since his descendnet his half british }
so maybe it was brought much befor almoravids since they never made it to britain.
regards
adam

sailingdeac
01-11-2016, 03:31 PM
i agree this could be possible
but how do you explain a german person name rhein http://www.rheinandlaeng.com/descendants.html {go to middle of page see his result}
he can trace is ancestor to 1595 alsace deep in the hourt of europe he belong to e1a { same goes for british members }
his descendents autosomal result in the link above typical german/british results {since his descendnet his half british }
so maybe it was brought much befor almoravids since they never made it to britain.
regards
adam

Adam, the E1a1 M44 project has discovered through Big Y testing that the other branches (E1a2, etc) is considerable different from E1a1 going back approx 7300 years. Probably all of the non-E1a1 relate to recent Africa and consider themselves as African Americans. E1a1 shows a major grouping of current day Askenazi Jews as well as some English and possibly Levant origin. There is one known African Mandenkan uncovered by ISOGG in the HGDP project. ISOGG Big Y analysis has uncovered the forgoing. The ongoing Yfull analysis is now showing aging of the breakouts. See this page (https://sites.google.com/site/haplogroupe1a1/home/e1a1-project-testing-results) for the two organization's tree and my related diagrams. That web site is maintained by the E1a1 M44 project at FTDNA.
I am the project admin. Just last week FTDNA acknowledged the ISOGG tree with some of the related terminal snps now orderable there. (as well as at Yseq.com.
The YDNA M44 page is HERE (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/E1a1?iframe=ycolorized) You will find a Rhein ancestor there.


In almost all the FTDNA known E1a1 M44 men, the strs of DYS391 and 392 are 9 and 11 or at least on of those values.

Is your Rhein tested at FTDNA ?. Please let me know if you are interested in joining the research and testing.

sailingdeac
01-11-2016, 03:37 PM
Bonnie, i hope you will reply. There is actually an E1a project and an E1a1 project (mine) at FTDNA. The E1a1 project (now renamed M96 ->M44) is at https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/e-1a-1/dna-results with an associated private google forum. Same applies to the E1a project which not presently very active.
As posted before, we now can offer suggested individual SNPs to test for m44 (E1a1) at either FTDNA or Yseq.com

eastara
10-31-2020, 11:58 PM
M132 was found also among Albanians and the mysterious E-M96(xM35,M2) which was found in 0.4% of Bulgarians in a scientific study could be precisely that as well.
Nobody had a deeper SNP test yet, but 239025 Koc from Turkey could be with Albanian origin as there is a Koci Albanian tribe.

Farroukh
11-03-2020, 11:12 AM
E-M33 (M132) still is not widely detected in Western African peoples due to low scientific activity. If you look at Yfull tree of E-M132 (https://yfull.com/tree/E-M132/) it apparently looks more European than E-V13 :confused:

capsian
11-16-2020, 09:10 PM
E-M33 (M132) still is not widely detected in Western African peoples due to low scientific activity. If you look at Yfull tree of E-M132 (https://yfull.com/tree/E-M132/) it apparently looks more European than E-V13 :confused:

there some sample under E1a1-M44 in north africa

Farroukh
11-17-2020, 04:11 AM
E-M44 is very interesting subclade, formed ~20 kya but TMRCA is ~3.5 kya only with Western African, Jewish, Arabian and European branches.

It seems the homeland of E-M44 was somewhere in Northern Africa (Egypt?)

capsian
11-17-2020, 11:55 AM
E-M44 is very interesting subclade, formed ~20 kya but TMRCA is ~3.5 kya only with Western African, Jewish, Arabian and European branches.

It seems the homeland of E-M44 was somewhere in Northern Africa (Egypt?)

Yes sure this branch is very interesting in fact i dont know is found in egypt or no but i know this branch found in Kabyle and notrth morocco

Adamm
11-17-2020, 12:21 PM
Yesterday a guy from North Morocco tested positive for E-M132

capsian
11-17-2020, 06:22 PM
Yesterday a guy from North Morocco tested positive for E-M132

great sure will be under E-M44

Squad
02-14-2021, 10:48 PM
great sure will be under E-M44

No probably not M44, it is very rare in the Maghreb. In fact, from a sample of more than 3000 maghrebis, only 6 instances of M44 were found : 3 Berbers from Figuig, 1 unspecified moroccan Berber, 1 Tunisian from Sfax and 1 Sahraoui.

capsian
02-14-2021, 10:58 PM
No probably not M44, it is very rare in the Maghreb. In fact, from a sample of more than 3000 maghrebis, only 6 instances of M44 were found : 3 Berbers from Figuig, 1 unspecified moroccan Berber, 1 Tunisian from Sfax and 1 Sahraoui.

there sample from north morocco on Branch E-M96> M44 >BY183919

Squad
02-14-2021, 11:02 PM
there sample from north morocco on Branch E-M96> M44 >BY183919

E1a(xM44) is much more common trust. Its average frequency in Morocco is at least 1%, whereas M44 only reaches like 0.2%.

E1a1 is one of the rare haplogroups in Morocco. Other rare haplogroups include I-M170, R1a, Q1b, A-M32, R-V88, R2, V13. All of which reach frequencies of 0.3% or below. Haplogroup T is also not common at all, despite being present since the neolithic. It barely reaches 0.4% at best

capsian
02-14-2021, 11:09 PM
E1a(xM44) is much more common trust. Its average frequency in Morocco is at least 1%, whereas M44 only reaches like 0.2%.

E1a1 is one of the rare haplogroups in Morocco. Other rare haplogroups include I-M170, R1a, Q1b, A-M32, R-V88, R2. All of which reach frequencies of 0.3% or below. Haplogroup T is also not common at all, despite being present since the neolithic. It barely reaches 0.4% at best

tahnks you

capsian
08-27-2021, 12:27 AM
i have seen in the last study on the peoples inhabiting Chad, the ratio of Habogorp E-M44 is 36,05%
and in average ratio in chad is 7,03%
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