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abds
05-07-2015, 09:28 PM
Hi any opinion on this brench of the U152.

i think that Z72 snp is not at the same level of Z146 but FTDNA rapresent it in that way.

FTDNA don't rapresent at all Z56 do you know why, i don't think Z56 is unstable.

Any idea?

Ciao

Alessandro
U152+ Z56+ Z145+ Z146+ R-PF6577+

MitchellSince1893
05-07-2015, 10:49 PM
On the U152 project it's very widespread. Members are from Austria, England, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, and Scotland.

On Yfull Z145 is shown as "formed 4000 ybp, TMRCA 3400 ybp" Z56 was "formed 4600 ybp, TMRCA 4000 ybp" So it may be part of the Bell Beaker culture that spread throughout western Europe.

abds
05-09-2015, 06:32 AM
Thanks, any idea on why FTDNA don't show in the haplotree Z56 and why they say that Z72 is at the same level of Z146 ?

Yes U152 is wide distributed but the territory where is distributed are really undertested, italy for example with 60 milion of peoples and on 1-2 000 people tested cannot permit to understed clear from my opinion.

Many of my match come from UK but this because in UK there are many tested peoples.

Acque agitate
05-09-2015, 01:23 PM
In my view, this branch is one of the few that is definitely originated from central Italy (Etruscan, Latin, Italic?), and it and has spread through the Roman expansion.

abds
05-09-2015, 03:32 PM
U152 study look to say that it come from North (Austria) and go down to Italy from there. An High % of u152 (more that 50%/60%) is in the Alessandria zone. But i don't have any details about Z56, and Z145/146. Of course a relevant number of tested people come from tuscany. But no more test at my knoledge was done in the rest of Italy. Some hints about:
origin of Z56
origin of z145 / z146

Thanks

Titus Valerius
05-28-2015, 01:03 PM
Hi all!
I just got the results of my friend F. Bernardini , I know his earliest known ancestor was Domenico Bernardini from Sarzana (La Spezia, ITA) b. 1690 d. 1773. He has DYS 385 11-17 and DYS 492 14 . I think he is probably U152 Z56. the next test is for Z72. Any suggestions? Thanks!

R.Rocca
05-28-2015, 01:13 PM
Hi all!
I just got the results of my friend F. Bernardini , I know his earliest known ancestor was Domenico Bernardini from Sarzana (La Spezia, ITA) b. 1690 d. 1773. He has DYS 385 11-17 and DYS 492 14 . I think he is probably U152 Z56. the next test is for Z72. Any suggestions? Thanks!

DYS492=14 is extremely rare outside of Z56, so I would not spend money on Z56, so I think Z71 or Z72 are good net tests.

Titus Valerius
05-28-2015, 02:22 PM
Today I read on U152 project about F. Bernardini " please order U152" . I laughed! Luckily I knew that DYS492=14 is rare outside Z56. But in any case I wanted to know your opinion. Thanks

Diana
05-28-2015, 03:49 PM
385 11-17 is pretty cool too! Just like my papa!

Titus Valerius
05-28-2015, 06:52 PM
Hi Diana, I think Franco Bernardini is probably related to your father, I noticed by mymcgee maybe TMRCA is 1350-2000 ybp. But today he did the test for Z72. So now we expect the result.......

R.Rocca
05-28-2015, 08:08 PM
Today I read on U152 project about F. Bernardini " please order U152" . I laughed! Luckily I knew that DYS492=14 is rare outside Z56. But in any case I wanted to know your opinion. Thanks

The tricky thing is that in some rare cases, there are some U106 samples that are DYS492=14. However, a positive Z72 result will automatically make him U152+.

Diana
05-28-2015, 08:25 PM
Hi Diana, I think Franco Bernardini is probably related to your father, I noticed by mymcgee maybe TMRCA is 1350-2000 ybp. But today he did the test for Z72. So now we expect the result.......

Oh my gosh Marco! 😂 this is such a special moment for me. Grazie!!!

Diana
05-28-2015, 08:32 PM
The tricky thing is that in some rare cases, there are some U106 samples that are DYS492=14. However, a positive Z72 result will automatically make him U152+.

Yeah that's totally weird! My ex is U106, hopefully Bernardini didn't come in with Normans, speriamo bene.

Diana
05-28-2015, 08:43 PM
Is that due to a RechLoh event in U106?

abds
05-28-2015, 09:02 PM
you must do a big y :)

R.Rocca
05-29-2015, 12:24 AM
Yeah that's totally weird! My ex is U106, hopefully Bernardini didn't come in with Normans, speriamo bene.

Just a plain mutation from 12 to 13 for U106. For Z56, it may have been a two step mutation directly from 12 to 14.

Titus Valerius
05-29-2015, 08:45 AM
Hi, I noticed on Boattini's paper in La Spezia 3 individuals U152+ , so two of them have DYS 385a,b 11-17 the other 11-16, so I think Franco Bernardini is surely U152+ Z56+. On Boattini's paper no one else among U152+ has 385 a,b 11-17!! Ciao Diana!

Titus Valerius
05-29-2015, 11:26 AM
Hi Richard. You wrote that you think that the mutation in the R-U152-Z56 samples of the marker DYS492 from the modal 12 to 14 was very likely a multistep mutation, whereas in R-U106 the mutation from 12 to 13 was an one step mutation, and that is very likely to me too. Being these subclades in the range of 4000/5000 years old (also from the YFull tree), we may think that these mutations, once happened, lasted till to-day and very likely will last so long yet. But having we in Italy the unique sample of Z56 found so far with the original DYS492=12 (FTDNA 381885, Bonelli), don't you think that this could be a proof that the origin of this subclade is in Italy or at least that it is in Italy the origin of the mutation in DYS492 from 12 to 14? I let you note that Bonelli has DYS385=11-13, like many Tuscans, whereas Bernardini and the others of very likely Osco-Umbrian or Ligurian origin have 11-17 or nearby. Have a nice day!

Diana
05-29-2015, 03:08 PM
This is just some really fantastic progress. I am very happy about Bernardini and I can't believe we have someone with the original 12 in Italy, I thought we would never find one! Feel like we're finally getting somewhere! :-)

abds
05-29-2015, 06:50 PM
Hi, I noticed on Boattini's paper in La Spezia 3 individuals U152+ , so two of them have DYS 385a,b 11-17 the other 11-16, so I think Franco Bernardini is surely U152+ Z56+. On Boattini's paper no one else among U152+ has 385 a,b 11-17!! Ciao Diana!
I'm as you say 385 11-17

abds
05-29-2015, 06:52 PM
Hi Richard. You wrote that you think that the mutation in the R-U152-Z56 samples of the marker DYS492 from the modal 12 to 14 was very likely a multistep mutation, whereas in R-U106 the mutation from 12 to 13 was an one step mutation, and that is very likely to me too. Being these subclades in the range of 4000/5000 years old (also from the YFull tree), we may think that these mutations, once happened, lasted till to-day and very likely will last so long yet. But having we in Italy the unique sample of Z56 found so far with the original DYS492=12 (FTDNA 381885, Bonelli), don't you think that this could be a proof that the origin of this subclade is in Italy or at least that it is in Italy the origin of the mutation in DYS492 from 12 to 14? I let you note that Bonelli has DYS385=11-13, like many Tuscans, whereas Bernardini and the others of very likely Osco-Umbrian or Ligurian origin have 11-17 or nearby. Have a nice day!
my family are not from tuscany at all, in 1500 all them live near Alessandria and probably never go down this city before the second half of 1500.

Diana
05-29-2015, 11:00 PM
I'm as you say 385 11-17

Then possibly all 3 of us share a common male ancestor at some point! What is your Surname? You are in Rome right now but what about your ancestors? Any family in or near Orvieto, Porano or Palestrina?

Diana
05-29-2015, 11:05 PM
Wow!!! Nothing for years and 2 possible distant connections in less then a week! I feel so lucky and grateful right now! Please fill me in on your background. I knew I couldn't be the only one out there who cared about ancestry ;-)

Diana
05-29-2015, 11:26 PM
"my family are not from tuscany at all, in 1500 all them live near Alessandria and probably never go down this city before the second half of 1500."

Alessandria is 3 hours and 13 minutes away from the Panaro river that connects to the River Po. A link I haven't ruled out completely for a possible origin for our Surname....┐┐┐???

R.Rocca
05-30-2015, 03:06 AM
Hi Richard. You wrote that you think that the mutation in the R-U152-Z56 samples of the marker DYS492 from the modal 12 to 14 was very likely a multistep mutation, whereas in R-U106 the mutation from 12 to 13 was an one step mutation, and that is very likely to me too. Being these subclades in the range of 4000/5000 years old (also from the YFull tree), we may think that these mutations, once happened, lasted till to-day and very likely will last so long yet. But having we in Italy the unique sample of Z56 found so far with the original DYS492=12 (FTDNA 381885, Bonelli), don't you think that this could be a proof that the origin of this subclade is in Italy or at least that it is in Italy the origin of the mutation in DYS492 from 12 to 14? I let you note that Bonelli has DYS385=11-13, like many Tuscans, whereas Bernardini and the others of very likely Osco-Umbrian or Ligurian origin have 11-17 or nearby. Have a nice day!

I was very excited when Bonelli's results were Z56+ and DYS492=12. Unfortunately the excitement was unfounded. Bonelli is several levels down from Z56 and we have samples above and below Bonelli's subclade that are DYS492=14. Another words, Bonelli reverted back to DYS492=12 well after Z56's inception.

Titus Valerius
05-30-2015, 08:21 AM
Thanks, Richard. You are right. Yours is the unique possible explication, but it is very astonishing that Bonelli had, the alone so far, a back mutation from 14 and directly to 12 and not to 13 for instance. Very likely there is something to understand about the DYS492 marker in Z56 and why the mutations are multistep and not one step.

Il PapÓ
05-30-2015, 03:03 PM
I was very excited when Bonelli's results were Z56+ and DYS492=12. Unfortunately the excitement was unfounded. Bonelli is several levels down from Z56 and we have samples above and below Bonelli's subclade that are DYS492=14. Another words, Bonelli reverted back to DYS492=12 well after Z56's inception.

Maybe I should try to take the DYS492 test since i'm the first Z56 to split off from the others Z56s on the FULL Y Z56 tree (22087296-) along with the sardinian guy. By the way do you have his result for DYS492 ?

Also why are you focused so much on DYS492 ? What is it going to tell us more than FULL snps Y test like YFULL or BIG Y ?

Diana
05-30-2015, 03:30 PM
Thanks, Richard. You are right. Yours is the unique possible explication, but it is very astonishing that Bonelli had, the alone so far, a back mutation from 14 and directly to 12 and not to 13 for instance. Very likely there is something to understand about the DYS492 marker in Z56 and why the mutations are multistep and not one step.

Well, 13 is unlucky, for some! Lol! I agree, it's interesting that we jumped up 2 steps and that he back mutated. Can't believe we haven't found any ancient specimens to date. Where is our Otzi? I guess with the economic situation in Italy at the moment it may take awhile longer.

Diana
05-30-2015, 03:40 PM
Maybe I should try to take the DYS492 test since i'm the first Z56 to split off from the others Z56s on the FULL Y Z56 tree (22087296-) along with the sardinian guy. By the way do you have his result for DYS492 ?

Also why are you focused so much on DYS492 ? What is it going to tell us more than FULL snps Y test like YFULL or BIG Y ?

Dys 492=14 was a clear indication for Z56. If you came up with a 14 here then chances of being Z56 were good. This is why Bonellis results were exciting, because he is the first Z56 to have DYS492=12 but as Richard said his line back mutated to 12 which is the original marker...

Diana
05-30-2015, 03:40 PM
Maybe I should try to take the DYS492 test since i'm the first Z56 to split off from the others Z56s on the FULL Y Z56 tree (22087296-) along with the sardinian guy. By the way do you have his result for DYS492 ?

Also why are you focused so much on DYS492 ? What is it going to tell us more than FULL snps Y test like YFULL or BIG Y ?


Sorry this is a double post...


Dys 492=14 was a clear indication for Z56. If you came up with a 14 here then chances of being Z56 were good. This is why Bonellis results were exciting, because he is the first Z56 to have DYS492=12 but as Richard said his line back mutated to 12 which is the original marker...

R.Rocca
05-30-2015, 05:10 PM
Maybe I should try to take the DYS492 test since i'm the first Z56 to split off from the others Z56s on the FULL Y Z56 tree (22087296-) along with the sardinian guy. By the way do you have his result for DYS492 ?

Also why are you focused so much on DYS492 ? What is it going to tell us more than FULL snps Y test like YFULL or BIG Y ?

Yes, I think you should upgrade your SNP test.

As Diana alluded to, if we ever find a pocket of rare Z56 subclades that has the value of DYS492=12, we may have an idea of Z56's origin area. However, there is no guarantee we will ever find this as a U152+ man could have mutated first at DYS492=14 and then later on his son produced the Z56 mutation.

abds
05-30-2015, 07:24 PM
Dys 492=14 was a clear indication for Z56. If you came up with a 14 here then chances of being Z56 were good. This is why Bonellis results were exciting, because he is the first Z56 to have DYS492=12 but as Richard said his line back mutated to 12 which is the original marker...

I m Bonelli you are talking

abds
05-30-2015, 07:29 PM
Maybe I should try to take the DYS492 test since i'm the first Z56 to split off from the others Z56s on the FULL Y Z56 tree (22087296-) along with the sardinian guy. By the way do you have his result for DYS492 ?

Also why are you focused so much on DYS492 ? What is it going to tell us more than FULL snps Y test like YFULL or BIG Y ?

BIG Y for sure and after join also YFULL :)

Il PapÓ
05-30-2015, 08:12 PM
Yes, I think you should upgrade your SNP test.

As Diana alluded to, if we ever find a pocket of rare Z56 subclades that has the value of DYS492=12, we may have an idea of Z56's origin area. However, there is no guarantee we will ever find this as a U152+ man could have mutated first at DYS492=14 and then later on his son produced the Z56 mutation.

You meant DYS test ? Y-DNA67 OR 111 is of no interest for me since I have already taken the BIG Y. If I want to take the test, it's just to see if i'm DYS492=14 and it's for me just a good indication of semone being Z56+ nothing more, the hypothetic Z56 guys being DYS492=12 could have easily moved from the area Z56 originated, just look at the actual dispersal of Z56, it's everywhere in europe.

.

abds
05-30-2015, 08:35 PM
You meant DYS test ? Y-DNA67 OR 111 is of no interest for me since I have already taken the BIG Y. If I want to take the test, it's just to see if i'm DYS492=14 and it's for me just a good indication of semone being Z56+ nothing more, the hypothetic Z56 guys being DYS492=12 could have easily moved from the area Z56 originated, just look at the actual dispersal of Z56, it's everywhere in europe.

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have you done the yfull? can you give me your id in case ?
Ciao

abds
05-30-2015, 08:43 PM
if you will do the yfull you will have a clear view of all your SRT and more of this we can easy compare all us Z56, using my sample yfull guys have created a new sub Group grouping 3 Z56 guys. Strange that 1 is from tuscany and one from the north of england with a paper tree until the 1000 year as me.

abds
05-30-2015, 08:56 PM
R-Z56PF6571/Z42/S209 * Z56/PF6601 * Z43/S366formed 4600 ybp, TMRCA 4000 ybp
------>R-Z56*
id:HG02219IBS
id:HG02231IBS
------>R-L4L4/S178
------>R-S47Z46/S259 * Z48/S484 * CTS5325... 2 SNPs
---------->R-S47*
id:NA20810TSI
---------->R-Z44Z44/S260
id:NA12342CEU
id:NA19652MXL
------>R-Z145CTS10851/PF6583 * PF6584/Z146/S483 * Z144... 3 SNPsformed 4000 ybp, TMRCA 3400 ybp
R-Z145*
R-CTS6389CTS6389 * Z72/S258
id:NA20581TSI
id:NA20814TSI
--------->R-PF6577PF6577 * PF6582formed 3400 ybp, TMRCA 3100 ybp
id:NA20509TSI
id:YF02345
id:YF03029ITA [IT-RM]

R.Rocca
05-30-2015, 09:22 PM
You meant DYS test ? Y-DNA67 OR 111 is of no interest for me since I have already taken the BIG Y. If I want to take the test, it's just to see if i'm DYS492=14 and it's for me just a good indication of semone being Z56+ nothing more, the hypothetic Z56 guys being DYS492=12 could have easily moved from the area Z56 originated, just look at the actual dispersal of Z56, it's everywhere in europe.

.

Yes sorry, I meant DYS492 test, but since you said even a DYS492=12 result has no value to you, then you've answered your own question.

Diana
05-31-2015, 05:49 PM
Thanks, Richard. You are right. Yours is the unique possible explication, but it is very astonishing that Bonelli had, the alone so far, a back mutation from 14 and directly to 12 and not to 13 for instance. Very likely there is something to understand about the DYS492 marker in Z56 and why the mutations are multistep and not one step.

Marco asks a good question. Why this 2 step mutation to 14 and 2 step back to 12? When it went to 14 did it wipe out 13 all together? What causes these 2 step mutations?

Titus Valerius
07-04-2015, 05:19 AM
Hi all! I just got the results of my friend Franco Bernardini
His Allele Results
SampleID Marker+ Chr Start End Allele
2629 PF6581 ChrY 21496242 21496242 T+
2629 S482 ChrY 21496242 21496242 T+
2629 Y703 ChrY 21496346 21496346 A-
2629 Z25091 ChrY 21496427 21496427 T-
2629 Z71 ChrY 21496242 21496242 T+
So he is U152+ Z56+ Z71 +!!!
Richard please update his position on U152 project.

pasquale
07-05-2015, 06:01 AM
I was very excited when Bonelli's results were Z56+ and DYS492=12. Unfortunately the excitement was unfounded. Bonelli is several levels down from Z56 and we have samples above and below Bonelli's subclade that are DYS492=14. Another words, Bonelli reverted back to DYS492=12 well after Z56's inception.

I read these posts looking where I should go next. With the exception of the advanced option from FTDNA, my list of snps to be tested is dwindling. And I haven't tested many.
P312+, U152+, L2+, Z150-, Z367-, Z49-, FGC5356-, L196-, M228-, FGC10543-, U106-
Any suggestions, Richard?

Titus Valerius
07-05-2015, 06:22 AM
Hi Pasquale! Do you know that in 180 b.c Romans deported 40000 Ligures Apuans from my area in Benevento's area? Today we know that in my area there is a high percentage of U152+ and especially L2+. I'm waiting for the publication of a study about the possible connection between the current populations of both areas

Titus Valerius
07-05-2015, 06:41 AM
Pasquale, I see on yfull that between L2 and Z367 wich You are negative , there are the following SNPs A197, DF 90, Y11232, Y 11667, Y 3961, Y 3960, S14469, Y15087. In addition looking into U152 I think you could test DF103 and Z49. Are you already on U152 project? Otherwise you could join to the project.

pasquale
07-06-2015, 04:55 AM
Titus, I tested neg for Z49. I will check the other snps. Reading the history of medieval Italy, my name shows up where the Longobards held power. Benevento along with Salerno and Acerra is where the name Goglia is found. It is also found in Trieste.
The Celts became allies with the Longobards when they invaded Italy. A variation of the name is Goglio. This name is found along the border of Switzerland and Italy, the area of the Italo-Celts.
thanks

R.Rocca
07-07-2015, 08:17 PM
I read these posts looking where I should go next. With the exception of the advanced option from FTDNA, my list of snps to be tested is dwindling. And I haven't tested many.
P312+, U152+, L2+, Z150-, Z367-, Z49-, FGC5356-, L196-, M228-, FGC10543-, U106-
Any suggestions, Richard?

Next best bet is DF103, but please respond on the L2 thread as this topic is about Z56+. Thanks.

Titus Valerius
11-12-2015, 09:49 PM
Hi all! Another friend of mine L. Basteri after F. Bernardini (We live in the same area) received his result from Yseq and he is Z56+ Z71+, but he has dys 385a,b = 11-14

Titus Valerius
12-01-2015, 07:41 PM
Hi all! I just got the result of my friend F. Bernardini and now we know he's U152+ Z56+ Z71+ Z72+

Titus Valerius
12-06-2015, 09:26 AM
Hi all, I just got the result of my friend L. Basteri : He's U152+ Z56+ Z71+ Z72- while my friend F. Bernardini is Z71+ Z72+. The ancestors of both are from my area . (Massa -La Spezia)

Il PapÓ
01-22-2017, 10:54 PM
Yes, I think you should upgrade your SNP test.

As Diana alluded to, if we ever find a pocket of rare Z56 subclades that has the value of DYS492=12, we may have an idea of Z56's origin area. However, there is no guarantee we will ever find this as a U152+ man could have mutated first at DYS492=14 and then later on his son produced the Z56 mutation.

The Z56 spanish sample HG02231 and me are DYS492=12 :) ( the sardinian ERS257070 sample should also be DYS492=12), don't know if it's that relevant now though.

Il PapÓ
04-28-2017, 01:41 AM
The Z56 spanish sample HG02231 and me are DYS492=12 :) ( the sardinian ERS257070 sample should also be DYS492=12), don't know if it's that relevant now though.

False alarm, Big tree seems to have me wrongly as DYS492=12, I'm like others Z56 according to Yfull DYS492=14

R.Rocca
04-28-2017, 11:46 AM
False alarm, Big tree seems to have me wrongly as DYS492=12, I'm like others Z56 according to Yfull DYS492=14

What does your FTDNA say your DYS492 value is?

Il PapÓ
04-28-2017, 01:10 PM
What does your FTDNA say your DYS492 value is?

It says nothing, I'm not tested for DYS492 on FTDNA (if we exclude BIGY ofc).

Pylsteen
11-28-2017, 06:44 PM
OK, big Y results are in; I was given BY1823, in the same block as Z145+. Some browsing in my results show me I am negative for Z72, BY3951, and also negative for PF6582, so that is interesting. Paternal line is from 1700 in the Betuwe; before that, I can at the moment only speculate; the surname is quite common in Dutch Brabant. No matches according to the match-function. I will see what the U152 group admin may say. I will also send to Williamson's tree.

Pylsteen
11-30-2017, 10:25 PM
In the FTDNA SNP search I saw the following people having BY1823 (may I call that Z145*?), I believe they all are Z72- and PF6582-. I can't see who they all are, though I can at least guess with help of the U152 group.

20086

Two English (and American) and the French one apparently form a branch; From STR data from the U152 project I can see that the American with an English name (not sure if he is one of the English dots) and the French dot likely share an ancestor in the medieval period (if it is not due to convergence). Since Aquitaine was British back then, I think it is possible that the French one is British in origin. Furthermore there is another Brit, a Belgian who I can't trace, but am really interested in, and myself, the Dutch one. These are all lonely branches. It would be interesting if some may form a new branch; I find it remarkable that they are geographical close to each other. Right now it seems to me that Z145 in its early period (ca. 1500-1000BC) was one of the lineages "scattered" within Urnfield. Maybe these lonely branches spread with Hallstatt or La TŔne. Of the known larger branches of Z145, only Z72 seems to me convincingly "Roman".

Pylsteen
12-10-2017, 01:07 PM
Two English (and American) and the French one apparently form a branch; From STR data from the U152 project I can see that the American with an English name (not sure if he is one of the English dots) and the French dot likely share an ancestor in the medieval period (if it is not due to convergence). Since Aquitaine was British back then, I think it is possible that the French one is British in origin.

Good news; I found I share the two unnamed variants common to this branch; took some time, since the numbers changed because of the conversion, but thanks to Williamson's conversion table I found it. That means I am no lonely branch anymore; TMRCA I have to look at that later, I think ca. 500 BC, could be more or less.

Pylsteen
12-16-2017, 07:46 PM
I can see that the American with an English name (not sure if he is one of the English dots) and the French dot likely share an ancestor in the medieval period (if it is not due to convergence).


OK, it is slightly different; the STR comparison was deceiving; in the still unnamed Z145-cluster of four (myself included) based on BigY, the French one did split off first (probably ca. 1200 BC). I split off last with an English family probably ca. 400 BC (rough estimates). Historical interpretation: Gauls/Belgae?. Work in progress.

G Livesey
07-18-2018, 10:26 AM
I've just been reading this thread about DYS492=14 or 12 for Z56.

There are a few of us with a result of 13. Is this of any value to the discussion?

G Livesey
07-18-2018, 10:27 AM
We also have DYS392 = 15.

R.Rocca
07-21-2018, 07:21 PM
I've just been reading this thread about DYS492=14 or 12 for Z56.

There are a few of us with a result of 13. Is this of any value to the discussion?

The STR seems to have gone from 12 to 14. So, the 14 to 13 move is not all that meaningful for Z56 overall.

G Livesey
06-28-2019, 11:36 PM
We do have a member who is Z56+ but Z43- who has DYS492=12.

deputat
08-06-2019, 09:10 AM
in36433
familytreedna Y-DNA111
Y-DNA37 R-M269
Y-DNA37>>Y-DNA111
R1b - M343&M269v2 Backbone SNP Pack R-Z43
SNP BY1823
----------------------
yseq
PF6577> PF6577 G+
Z72 ?
----------------------
father
Big Y-700
Y-DNA111 R-M269
Y-DNA111>Y-700 ?

Pylsteen
08-06-2019, 01:35 PM
father
Big Y-700
Y-DNA111 R-M269
Y-DNA111>Y-700 ?

Your father's results are expected in September, it will be very interesting to see how this Tatar branch will fit in.

deputat
10-09-2019, 08:40 AM
Big Y-700 Y700 980 10/21/2019 - 11/04/2019 Results for your Big Y test have been delayed. We have updated your predicted completion date, and action by you is not usually required. Note that predicted dates are an estimate and subject to lab volume and quality control.

PANEL 6 (112 - 561)
Awaiting Lab Results
PANEL 7 (561+)
Awaiting Lab Results

Your Confirmed Haplogroup is R-FGC36903

deputat
12-28-2019, 07:29 AM
hi everyone, do you have data on ancient DNA with of R-FGC36903

R435 R1b 600-200 BCE R-CTS6389 U152>Z56>Z43>Z145>CTS6389 Latin_IA (Prenestini Tribe) 339031 Palestrina Colombella H11a 1.00

R36 400 - 600 CE Late Antiquity LateAntiquity T1a1 R-Z145 Celio Male 374866 1.25 No 0.01 0.01141 8.56% 70.10 Celio A Petrous