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BalkanKiwi
05-12-2015, 08:14 AM
I find the concept of Baltoscandia quite interesting with regards to geography and cultural variance. The Viking migrations no doubt had some influence on the Baltic countries.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Northern-Europe.jpg

tamilgangster
05-12-2015, 08:19 AM
Baltoscandians have the highest amount of ANE in europe and the lowest amount of ENF

Baltimore1937
05-13-2015, 01:10 AM
I don't know what all those tribal abbreviations stand for. But L664 (R1a1) was up there before the main wave of R1a1 Scandies appeared. L664 seems to be a relict population. In my own sub-group, there is even one in Finland.

J Man
05-13-2015, 06:00 PM
I don't know what all those tribal abbreviations stand for. But L664 (R1a1) was up there before the main wave of R1a1 Scandies appeared. L664 seems to be a relict population. In my own sub-group, there is even one in Finland.

What tribal abbreviations?

J Man
05-13-2015, 06:02 PM
I have read before that many Estonians like to think of themselves as being Nordic.

Baltimore1937
05-14-2015, 09:17 AM
What tribal abbreviations?

Abbreviations such as ANE & ENF, etc. Maybe that's from 23 and Me, or such like.

J Man
05-14-2015, 10:26 AM
Abbreviations such as ANE & ENF, etc. Maybe that's from 23 and Me, or such like.

No those are autosomal genetic components. See the links below.

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2013/12/23/001552

http://eurogenes.blogspot.ca/2014/12/crowdfunding-for-2015-new-test.html

yxc
05-14-2015, 11:44 AM
why should WHG/ANE split occurred before LGM ~24kya.

by ~7.6kya significant ANE ancestry was in Sweden that's what was revealed but HG camping year-round along southern Baltic Sea coast may had it too and were not I .

yxc
05-14-2015, 02:19 PM
were there WHG ~31kyr at Dolni Vestonice they were semi-nomadic though regular on a strategic Height sighting out for passing-by Mammoth herds to scavenge from.
they burnt ceramics , some could wandered eastwards and developed there into ANE

and even if they were WHG by ~38 ka . - Basal were too on european soil.

Baltimore1937
05-15-2015, 03:20 AM
I think I got my Paleolithic mentality from my maternal side, U5. I don't like big cities or crowds of humans. Now whether my U5b2b2 came by way of Scandinavia, I don't know. Of course my paternal side came from Norway, for sure.

yxc
10-17-2015, 10:46 PM
I cannot question WHG and ANE .All began in 2013 when Loschbour and Motala genomes were revealed after the Mal'ta 1 boy R y and U mt was made public. Scandinavia had Mal'ta 1 affiliation = ANE. Gotland neolithic was reported distinct from the south-Sweden and Esperstedt, probably because Gotland retained typical EHG mtdna from Stora Forvar + Motala.

There is no made up Steppe Pastoralist needed to explain anything. I couldnt take it too literally if I wanted to. Because it's a setup

wombatofthenorth
08-02-2016, 12:13 AM
I find the concept of Baltoscandia quite interesting with regards to geography and cultural variance. The Viking migrations no doubt had some influence on the Baltic countries.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Northern-Europe.jpg

Also surely after the decades of Swedish rule in the 1600s (sort of a somewhat better time for the Balts after worse rule under Baltic Germans before and really worse rule under Russian Empire after) too.

You can definitely see the ties.

wombatofthenorth
08-02-2016, 12:16 AM
I have read before that many Estonians like to think of themselves as being Nordic.

Yeah that seems to be so.

Although autosomally they are much closer matches to Baltic speaking Balts and Finnish (actually even closer to Latvians than to Finnish on autosomal ancestry tests).

wombatofthenorth
08-02-2016, 12:20 AM
Abbreviations such as ANE & ENF, etc. Maybe that's from 23 and Me, or such like.

I think ANE = ancient north eurasian
WHG = western hunter gatherer
CHG = caucusus hunter gatherer
EHG = eastern hunter gatherer
ENF = early neolithic farmer
EEF= early european farmer

Volat
08-02-2016, 01:52 AM
I find the concept of Baltoscandia quite interesting with regards to geography and cultural variance. The Viking migrations no doubt had some influence on the Baltic countries.

It's more a geographic concept rather than cultural.

There was Swedish rule in Estonia and parts of northern Latvia. Most of Latvia, eastern Estonia and all of Lithuania were never under rule of Scandinavians or experienced Viking migrations.

Tartu is second largest city in south-eastern Estonia.



Historical affiliations of Tartu

Ugandi County pre-1030
Kievan Rus' 1030-1061
Ugandi County 1061-1134
Kievan Rus' 1134
Ugandi County 1134-1220
Livonian Brothers of the Sword 1220-1223
Ugandi County 1223
Novgorod Republic 1223-1224
Bishopric of Dorpat 1224-1558
Tsardom of Russia 1558-1582
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth 1582-1600
Kingdom of Sweden 1600-1603
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth 1603-1625
Kingdom of Sweden 1625-1656
Tsardom of Russia 1656-1661
Kingdom of Sweden 1661-1704
> Tsardom of Russia 1704-1721
> Russian Empire 17211917
Russian Republic 1917
Russian Soviet Republic 1917-1918
Republic of Estonia 1918
Ober Ost 1918
United Baltic Duchy 1918
Republic of Estonia 1918
Commune of the Working People of Estonia 1918-1919
Republic of Estonia 1919-1940
Soviet Union/Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic
German Military Administration 1941
Reichskommissariat Ostland 1941-1944
Soviet Union/Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic 1944-1991
Republic of Estonia 1991-onwards