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BalkanKiwi
05-19-2015, 05:48 AM
As I have Maori ancestry I've been having a look to work out what other populations are also related to Maori besides Oceanian. I haven't seen any Maori or Polynesian Gedmatch results or company results at all. From what I know and have read the Maori came from east Polynesia to New Zealand during the 13th century.

"Since the late 20th century there have been several intriguing areas of research into both the origins of Māori and their date and mode of arrival. Radiocarbon dating of archaeological settlement sites, analysis of volcanic ash, DNA analysis of Māori females and of the Pacific rat, and reconstruction of ancient Polynesian canoes, have all contributed to recent understanding.

It is now believed that New Zealand was settled by people from East Polynesia – the Southern Cook and Society islands region; that they migrated deliberately, setting off in different canoes, at different times; and that they first arrived in the late 13th century".

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/ideas-of-maori-origins

If they are indeed Polynesians, that means they likely originated from South-East Asia and Taiwan.

http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.0030281

If that's the case then someone of Maori/Polynesian ancestry would not only get Oceanian on Gedmatch calculators, but also South East Asian, Austronesian and Melanesian.

Has anyone here had much experience with Polynesian results?

tamilgangster
05-19-2015, 10:13 AM
As I have Maori ancestry I've been having a look to work out what other populations are also related to Maori besides Oceanian. I haven't seen any Maori or Polynesian Gedmatch results or company results at all. From what I know and have read the Maori came from east Polynesia to New Zealand during the 13th century.

"Since the late 20th century there have been several intriguing areas of research into both the origins of Māori and their date and mode of arrival. Radiocarbon dating of archaeological settlement sites, analysis of volcanic ash, DNA analysis of Māori females and of the Pacific rat, and reconstruction of ancient Polynesian canoes, have all contributed to recent understanding.

It is now believed that New Zealand was settled by people from East Polynesia – the Southern Cook and Society islands region; that they migrated deliberately, setting off in different canoes, at different times; and that they first arrived in the late 13th century".

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/ideas-of-maori-origins

If they are indeed Polynesians, that means they likely originated from South-East Asia and Taiwan.

http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.0030281

If that's the case then someone of Maori/Polynesian ancestry would not only get Oceanian on Gedmatch calculators, but also South East Asian, Austronesian and Melanesian.

Has anyone here had much experience with Polynesian results?

On harappa DNA polynesians(eg tongans and samoans) scores around 35% ocenian and 65% SE asian, and on dodecad and other calculators I have seen similar results. Im not too sure about maoris though. I believe since they have been isolated for so long they might have even have unique genetics due to genetic drift

BalkanKiwi
06-09-2015, 11:30 AM
I thought it be appropriate to re-post in this thread with regards to my Native American post here, http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?4630-My-DNA-Tribes-SNP-Results&p=88067&viewfull=1#post88067. I've been pondering this South American result and the only way it could make sense is through my Maori ancestry. I decided to do a Google search for information about Polynesian and South American contact and was surprised that some research shows its possible. A bit of a stretch but interesting. Kumara (sweet potato) is one of the most popular vegetables in New Zealand and Polynesia so the fact it originated in South America means Polynesians must have traded and brought it back with them. They may have also brought women back too, as mentioned in some of the articles.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/28/world/americas/discoveries-challenge-beliefs-on-humans-arrival-in-the-americas.html?_r=0

http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/8213421/Kumara-origin-points-to-pan-Pacific-voyage

http://www.iflscience.com/environment/easter-islanders-mixed-native-americans-centuries-europeans-arrived

http://etc.ancient.eu/2013/03/26/polynesians-in-california-evidence-for-an-ancient-exchange/

http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2014/1024/Did-ancient-Easter-Islanders-have-friends-from-afar-Yes-say-scientists.-video

BalkanKiwi
06-12-2015, 08:10 AM
An interesting article regarding the similarities between Maori and some of the Taiwanese tribes that have maintained their genetic difference from the majority of Taiwanese with Han Chinese descent.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/destinations/asia/67390585/New-Zealands-long-lost-Taiwanese-cuzzies

Here is an interesting excerpt from the article:

"Before leaving New Zealand for Taipei, I'd phoned Victoria University biologist Dr Geoff Chambers, an expert on the Maori-Taiwanese connection. It all started, said Chambers, about 5000 years ago when a group of people, now known as Austronesians, began to make forays south from their home in Taiwan, spreading first to the nearby Batenes Islands, then to the Philippines and beyond.

About 3000 years ago, in what is now Papua New Guinea, the Austronesians encountered another major group, the Papuans, who are closely related to modern-day Australian Aboriginals. Intermarriage between the groups, in a genetic mix of about 70 per cent Austronesian and 30 per cent Papuan, produced the ancestors of the modern Polynesians.

The proto-Polynesians, with their unique genetic mix, then "sailed into the Pacific, settled it, and arrived in New Zealand about 750 years ago", says Chambers.

Back in Asia, other Austronesians kept moving and mixing. Today, 350 million people have some Austronesian heritage, and they're spread from Madagascar off the African coast to Easter Island near South America, though the biggest groups are in Indonesia and the Philippines.

Some Austronesians, though, stayed put in Taiwan for five millennia, experiencing little genetic intermingling. The upshot, says Chambers, is that "there's a very real sense in which the aboriginal people of Taiwan are the living ancestors of Maori".

Over the millennia, Taiwan's stay-at-home Austronesians have divided into distinct tribes with clearly differentiated languages, physical appearance and cultural practices. All are related to Polynesians, but there are "tantalising" clues to suggest the east coast's Amis people are most closely related."

BalkanKiwi
06-14-2015, 08:40 AM
Here is a fantastic presentation explaining Polynesian DNA and the migration paths taken from Taiwan into the Pacific.

http://share.snacktools.com/9DA8656569B/b7hnl1zg