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The Barnacle
05-18-2015, 12:56 AM
For my fellow Turks. What were the Qizilbash or Kizilbas tribe mainly made up of?

Ashina
05-18-2015, 01:10 AM
For my fellow Turks. What were the Qizilbash or Kizilbas tribe mainly made up of?
They were a federation of tribes. Just like many other Turkoman movements in Iran, Caucasus & Anatolia.

The Barnacle
05-18-2015, 01:26 AM
They were a federation of tribes. Just like many other Turkoman movements in Iran, Caucasus & Anatolia.

What can you tell me about the Qizilbash that arrived in afghsnistsn? My grandmother was one.

Ashina
05-18-2015, 01:48 AM
What can you tell me about the Qizilbash that arrived in afghsnistsn? My grandmother was one.

http://www.everyculture.com/Africa-Middle-East/Qizilbash.html

I don't know much about the Qizilbash in Afghanistan. But ^this link provides some info.

jesus
05-18-2015, 01:59 AM
Many Turkoman tribes were relocated from Northwestern Iran to Khorasan to protect the borders. I don't know the exact date or time but my family was one of them.

They also had non-Turkic tribes among them btw. I would start reading some Wikipedia pages if I were you. :P

Mainly in the 1500s and 1600s. Kurdish and Azeri tribes were deployed in the North East to protect the region from Uzbek raids, Some Azeri and possibly Kurdish tribes were given lands in the south 1-because of their loyalty to Shah Ismail 2- To defend the region from Portuguese and Spanish incursions.

Yes, they were mixed. Some Qizilbash were of Anatolian, Iraqi and Levantine Turkmen origin.

https://books.google.com/books?id=qcPZ1k65pqkC&pg=PA494&lpg=PA494&dq=qizilbash+persian&source=bl&ots=YHoLC3p_ta&sig=HqnpDNNa4Zz-cUEcAeXhPY5Zxik&hl=en&sa=X&ei=RkZZVcPmLMrEogS41YHgAQ&ved=0CFQQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=qizilbash%20persian&f=false

Ashina
05-18-2015, 02:01 AM
Yeah I edited my post since I wasn't sure.

jesus
05-18-2015, 02:14 AM
Most Qizilbash in Afghanistan now are Persian speakers, There was a lot of Persian Qizilbash groups in Afghanistan. Some Qizilbash mixed with Hazaras to form alliances and because of common sect. From what I've heard, Qizilbash don't identify as Tajik.

Here is an Afshar singer from Afghanistan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zWO_0Yc9ac

icebreaker
05-18-2015, 02:35 AM
Mainly in the 1500s and 1600s. Kurdish and Azeri tribes were deployed in the North East to protect the region from Uzbek raids, Some Azeri and possibly Kurdish tribes were given lands in the south 1-because of their loyalty to Shah Ismail 2- To defend the region from Portuguese and Spanish incursions.

Yes, they were mixed. Some Qizilbash were of Anatolian, Iraqi and Levantine Turkmen origin.

https://books.google.com/books?id=qcPZ1k65pqkC&pg=PA494&lpg=PA494&dq=qizilbash+persian&source=bl&ots=YHoLC3p_ta&sig=HqnpDNNa4Zz-cUEcAeXhPY5Zxik&hl=en&sa=X&ei=RkZZVcPmLMrEogS41YHgAQ&ved=0CFQQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=qizilbash%20persian&f=false

What happened to Oghuz Turks in Azerbaijan who didn't had any Anatolian/Iraqi/Levantine origin?

Afshar
05-18-2015, 06:20 AM
What can you tell me about the Qizilbash that arrived in afghsnistsn? My grandmother was one.

The majority of them was made up of Turkoman and Tajik tribes. The thing is the Afghanistan Qizilbash dont identify themselves as Tajik at all.

The Barnacle
05-18-2015, 10:16 AM
The majority of them was made up of Turkoman and Tajik tribes. The thing is the Afghanistan Qizilbash dont identify themselves as Tajik at all.

Actually I think it depended where they settled. A lot of Qizilbash assimilated withihn the local population and even hid their true identity which was a Shia, to avoid prosecution. Some got pashtunified and seem persianized.

The Barnacle
05-18-2015, 10:43 AM
I read on Wikipedia that Khaled Hosseini was a Shia. His parents originated from Herat and he says has pashtun and tajik mixture. He also must have Qizilbash ancestry since he's a non Shia hazara( he's an example of a pashtunified/persianized Qizilbash most likley )

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Hosseini

Coldmountains
05-18-2015, 11:23 AM
Actually I think it depended where they settled. A lot of Qizilbash assimilated withihn the local population and even hid their true identity which was a Shia, to avoid prosecution. Some got pashtunified and seem persianized.

The Qizilbash I know just identify themself as Tajiks and I honestly not know one of them identifying themself primarily as Qizilbash (i heard at first about Qizilbash in the Internet) but many exil Afghans are very ambiguous about their ethnic origin and in Afghanistan Qizilbash identity is maybe still important