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basmaci
05-27-2015, 01:40 PM
hello people, i got today my Y-DNA 12 result from FTDNA but they didn't say to me properly, i still don't know my HG, they didn't say that >:(.only what i get is matches and they are mostly N-M232:

http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img911/8652/MbsltA.png
http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img673/1152/GwSF9f.png
http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img661/5977/huAovA.png
http://s30.postimg.org/924spgc81/nnnnnnnnnnnnnn.png
what must i do now ? i'm realy angry to FTDNA >:(

Táltos
05-27-2015, 01:59 PM
12 markers might not be enough to make a prediction. If your matches are mostly N-M232 then good chance you are. You can upgrade and test more markers and/or test that SNP.

basmaci
05-27-2015, 02:12 PM
12 markers might not be enough to make a prediction. If your matches are mostly N-M232 then good chance you are. You can upgrade and test more markers and/or test that SNP.
thank you for answer,, will follow your advice :) i have sent email to FTDNA and N project admin both. what i don't get, the guys which i match are also Y-dna12 testers, they have received the result, but i did not, this makes me angry to FTDNA >:(

Táltos
05-27-2015, 02:44 PM
basmaci,
I just noticed you have your thread in the mtDNA section. I'm going to move it to the Y-DNA N forum.

basmaci
05-27-2015, 03:11 PM
basmaci,
I just noticed you have your thread in the mtDNA section. I'm going to move it to the Y-DNA N forum.
:behindsofa:

Afshar
05-27-2015, 03:35 PM
You can check Urasins Y predictor.
Do you have Yoruk ancestry?

ADW_1981
05-27-2015, 03:39 PM
I've seen some R1b1-L389 haplotypes that look like this, but it's probably not because of DYS439 = 10. As others have stated, you would probably need a SNP test to confirm the N result.

Táltos
05-27-2015, 03:46 PM
:behindsofa:

It's okay. I've clicked on the mtDNA Q forum quite a few times myself thinking it was the Y-DNA Q one. :)

I was just thinking too, FTDNA's website can be buggy at times. You actually *might* be showing as N-M232 to your matches. I have seen both Y DNA and Family Finder matches disappear, and reappear from time to time. Not sure why? Might be FTDNA or maybe the matches privacy settings? I've also seen the SNP certificate that they let you print change from the basic haplogroup Q description for my brother (I guess the powers that be there don't know what to make of us Q1b to give us more detail). Anyway I've seen it change to the description for Q1a2 about a month ago! It's back to the generic description now. They are supposed to be updating their haplotree little by little so maybe that comes into play with how SNPs appear on their website.

You also might want to consider testing at YSEQ for SNPs. Only $17.50! http://www.yseq.net/ Much better than current FTDNA prices.

DMXX
05-27-2015, 03:49 PM
12 Y-STR's will almost certainly produce spurious results. Upon receiving my first 12 and running them through online predictors, I'd regularly receive Y-DNA Q or R1a1a instead of R2a.

I cosign Táltos' recommendations; upgrading to either 25 STR's or partaking in specific SNP testing would be appropriate. I'd opt for the former and then running through Urasin's Y-Predictor if you have absolutely no prior knowledge regarding what your Y-DNA haplogroup may be. The latter is only useful if you've tested with other companies and received some form of Y-SNP assessment (e.g. "Y-DNA N" from 23andMe).

Do keep us posted on how things progress. The ubiquitous nature of the Y-DNA N results, however, does look quite promising at first glance.

basmaci
05-27-2015, 04:34 PM
You can check Urasins Y predictor.
Do you have Yoruk ancestry?
Yoruk you mean nomadic?no i'm just a normal etnic Turk aka Turkmen :)
....
thanks @Táltos @DMXX @ADW_1981 people for all your kind advice, i will try it

basmaci
05-27-2015, 06:18 PM
ops sorry guys, seems i was being panic attack :angel:

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:behindsofa:
anyway i have tried http://predictor.ydna.ru/ couldn't work, so i find http://www.hprg.com/hapest5/ and result is N but for subclade i need to wait a bit more for onkel FTDNA :amen:
http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img913/5706/avsmoU.png

Huntergatherer1066
05-27-2015, 10:45 PM
It is possible they may be doing a backbone test on you, if not, like others have said a SNP test for one of the basal N SNPs or upgrading to 37 markers would confirm that you are Y-DNA haplogroup N. N is a somewhat understudied and interesting haplogroup to be in, congratulations. Your DNA results may be able to help pioneer knowledge in this area of the haplotree if you decide to do further SNP testing.

Caspian
05-28-2015, 09:02 AM
You are N and probably N1b. Sometimes 12 marker tests don't give certain results, but your 12 markers haplotype clearly indicates haplogroup N. Probably they will update your predicted haplogroup results soon.

Also, I wonder that do you know that you belong to any Turkmen tribes? There are two N1b Azeri guys who belongs to known Turkoman tribes at FTDNA project . One of them belongs to Afsharid tribe and is a descendant of Baku khanate elites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku_Khanate). The other one belongs to Qizilbash Dulkadirid tribe.

This is his haplotype.
209586 Ahmadov Meloghlu, Shamsaddinli, Zulqadar Azerbaijan N-M232 13 23 14 10 12-13 11 12 10 13 14 28 17 9-9 11 12 29 14 18 28 13-13-13-14-16-16-17 11 10 18-19 15 14 16 17 37-40 12 10
Note: Zulqadar is Arabized form of Dulkadir.

There is also an Anatolian N1b sample who belongs to Dulkadir at FTDNA afaik.

I think you should upgrade to 37 or 67 markers and order recommended SNPs for useful results.

lgmayka
05-28-2015, 10:00 AM
I think you should upgrade to 37 or 67 markers and order recommended SNPs for useful results.
Or save up for the Big Y the next time a discount sale occurs.

Afshar
05-28-2015, 10:26 AM
You should consider all recommendations, but unfortunately they all cost money. A SNP test will define your haplogroup/subclade, but upgrading to 37 markers will maybe get you some good genealogical matches (considering you have matches now). I had no matches and therefore did a couple of SNP tests (which are at the end more expensive than upgrading markers). I would go for the markers if you can spend the money.

basmaci
05-28-2015, 11:22 AM
You are N and probably N1b. Sometimes 12 marker tests don't give certain results, but your 12 markers haplotype clearly indicates haplogroup N. Probably they will update your predicted haplogroup results soon.

Also, I wonder that do you know that you belong to any Turkmen tribes? There are two N1b Azeri guys who belongs to known Turkoman tribes at FTDNA project . One of them belongs to Afsharid tribe and is a descendant of Baku khanate elites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku_Khanate). The other one belongs to Qizilbash Dulkadirid tribe.

This is his haplotype.
209586 Ahmadov Meloghlu, Shamsaddinli, Zulqadar Azerbaijan N-M232 13 23 14 10 12-13 11 12 10 13 14 28 17 9-9 11 12 29 14 18 28 13-13-13-14-16-16-17 11 10 18-19 15 14 16 17 37-40 12 10
Note: Zulqadar is Arabized form of Dulkadir.

There is also an Anatolian N1b sample who belongs to Dulkadir at FTDNA afaik.

I think you should upgrade to 37 or 67 markers and order recommended SNPs for useful results.
thanks for your kind comment :) i'm realy curious and agog for my subclade, according to my matches yeah you right its probably N1b.
about my tribe Unfortunately my family doesn't know our tribe, all what we precisely know is the name of our first ancestor in Anatolia-Bolu : Kara Paşa (or Karaca Bey) who was an Turkmen. our "sülale" name is also Karapaşalar.
moreover,we have an old boiler (Kazan: , i guess since you're from Azerbaijan, you know its importance in our culture) with Kayı emblem, but we have also an Damga,for livestock branding, with Bayındur emblem.
(sorry for my poor english)

basmaci
05-31-2015, 10:21 PM
It is possible they may be doing a backbone test on you, if not, like others have said a SNP test for one of the basal N SNPs or upgrading to 37 markers would confirm that you are Y-DNA haplogroup N. N is a somewhat understudied and interesting haplogroup to be in, congratulations. Your DNA results may be able to help pioneer knowledge in this area of the haplotree if you decide to do further SNP testing.
:)
http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img538/2415/9DIFZn.png
later I saw in this group list, that i also have this STR's, https://www.familytreedna.com/public/N%20Russia%20%20DNA%20Project?iframe=yresults
DYS437 14 , DYS438 10
^ they weren't written on my Y-STR Values panel. maybe a partly result of this backbone test ?

Gurni
03-07-2017, 09:54 PM
Interesting that you have N, where in Turkey are you from?