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tamilgangster
06-03-2015, 02:39 PM
So Ive come across this chart many times I believe it important enough to start a thread.

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Haplogroup F-m89: peaks among tribals, (peaking at 75% among paniyars) found in much lower quantities among OBCs and SCs yet visible, neglible among brahmins

Haplogroup H1-M52: Peaks among Kurumba(And related groups), but also noticibally high among Kadar, Saurashtra, and among ezhavars. Low in Brahmins, Absent in Paniyas.

Haplogroup J2-m172: Peaks among Paravars and kadars, Absent/neglible in Kurumba, Irula, Paniya, Saurahstra, and Piramalai Kallar.

Haplogroup L1-m27: Peaks among Farmer Castes(47% in Piramalai kallar), Low in Brahmans and In tribals.

Haplogroup r1a1: Peaks among Brahmins, Neglible/absent in Tribals and in Piramalai Kallars.

parasar
06-03-2015, 03:04 PM
Mehrdad had combined them together here for an overall picture: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1983-South-Asia-Y-DNA-Distribution&p=29441&viewfull=1#post29441
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1331&d=1391197066

Maju had covered the paper on his bog: http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com/2012/12/y-dna-from-tamils-and-south-indian.html

parasar
06-03-2015, 03:10 PM
So Ive come across this chart many times I believe it important enough to start a thread.

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Haplogroup F-m89: peaks among tribals, (peaking at 75% among paniyars) found in much lower quantities among OBCs and SCs yet visible, neglible among brahmins

Haplogroup H1-M52: Peaks among Kurumba(And related groups), but also noticibally high among Kadar, Saurashtra, and among ezhavars. Low in Brahmins, Absent in Paniyas.

Haplogroup J2-m172: Peaks among Paravars and kadars, Absent/neglible in Kurumba, Irula, Paniya, Saurahstra, and Piramalai Kallar.

Haplogroup L1-m27: Peaks among Farmer Castes(47% in Piramalai kallar), Low in Brahmans and In tribals.

Haplogroup r1a1: Peaks among Brahmins, Neglible/absent in Tribals and in Piramalai Kallars.

The paper has the full STR dataset - http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/asset?unique&id=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0050269.s005

tamilgangster
06-14-2015, 05:21 AM
Piramalai kallars present an interesting case. One common misconception is that people associate ANE with haplogroups r1A1, but the Piramalai kallars its negligible, but they have ANE of 30%. This means that there must be another source for ANE in south asia, which is not related to haplogroup r1a1

Megalophias
06-14-2015, 07:50 AM
Piramalai kallars present an interesting case. One common misconception is that people associate ANE with haplogroups r1A1, but the Piramalai kallars its negligible, but they have ANE of 30%. This means that there must be another source for ANE in south asia, which is not related to haplogroup r1a1

Even if ANE *did* come in solely with R1a, a population could easily end up with high ANE and little or no R1a purely due to drift. Indian groups due to their endogamy often have very exaggerated and atypical Y DNA distributions.

That said I don't think for a moment that Indian ANE is wholly associated with R1a. It could be a matter of Paleolithic clinal affinity, and/or have come in with the Neolithic (the latter, I guess, associated with L1a and R2).