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Farroukh
06-14-2015, 05:19 AM
Salam əziz dostlarım!

Bəzi insanlar bir neçə dəfə mənə müraciət etmişdir ki Azərbaycan layihəsində adam azdır. Dərd orasındadır ki bu DNT testlər Azərbaycan vətəndaştları üçün çox baxadır, ona görə ümüd yalnız xaricdə yaşayan həmvətənlilərədir.

Çalışın öz qoxumlarınızı və dostlarınız bu testlərə qoşun. İnşallah Azərbaycan millətlərin kökünü dəqiq öyrənərik.
İmkanları olanlar layihənin fonduna ianə edə bilərlər.

Caspian
06-14-2015, 05:15 PM
Salam qardaş!

Düzdü Azərbaycan layihəsində üzv çox azdı, qafi deyil. Bilirsən ki layihədəki 3 kit elə mənim özümündü. (Mənim, anamın və ana tərəf babamın kitləridi). Özümün digər 4 kiti (bacımın, nənəmin, atamın,ata tərəf babamın autosomal test kitləri) laboratoriyadadı hələ də nəticə gözləyir pullarını hele ödəməmişəm. Ödədikdən sonra onnarın analizləri de başlayacaq. Mənim kitlərimin elə hamısı qoxumlarımındı, bilmirəm bəlkə bundan ötəri layihə üçün çox faydası olmayacaq.

DNT testlər Azərbaycandakı camaat üçün çox baxadı bu mövzu barədə düz deyirsən. Mənə də elə gəlir ki layihədə çox üzv ola bilməsi üçün fonda çox ianə edə biləcək varlıqlı kişilər tapmamız gərək. Mənim facebookdan tanış olduğum ABŞda yaşayan Iran vətəndaşları varlıqlı kişilər var, Qaçar xanədanı nəvələri və Sardar İrəvanî sülaləsindən. Onnarı razı etməyə səy edəcəyəm. Çətindi amma çalışacağam.
Onsuz da halı hazırda layihədəki 188226 kit nömrəli Qaçar xanədanı nəvəsinin keçən il layihəyə üzv olmasını Facebookdan mən istəmişdim, mən razı etmişdim.

Sənnən də xahiş edirəm Azərbaycandakı varlıqlı kişilərlə bu mövzu barədə danış. Mən diasporadayam sənin əlin Azərbaycanda mənnən daha çox yerə çatar.

Farroukh
06-16-2015, 07:28 AM
Qardaş, köməinə görə təşəkkürlər və can sağlığı!

Amma buradakı "iş adamları" elmdən çox uzaqdırlar, alverdən başqa heç bir şeylə maraqları yoxdur. "Bəs məəə nə xeyir eee?" - bu da onların sözləri. Diasporada yaşayanlar azmaz savadlıdır və belə testlərdən qorxmur.

whatthefami
07-18-2015, 07:42 PM
Hello mates!

Im half azeri from rep azerbaijan and half iranian azeri

Do you have any new info on iranian azeri haplogroups.

they say that the test that states iranian azeris is false because it just tested north iranians and not azeris.

whatthefami
07-18-2015, 07:45 PM
have you guys ever heard about a small village called ''siqinsarah'' they say it was about 30-50km from tabriz too bad none knew the direction :D

whatthefami
07-18-2015, 07:47 PM
and sorry my writing in azeri is not so good that's why i prefer more english :P

Caspian
08-24-2015, 08:04 PM
Salam,

Akper, mən səndən Azərbaycan DNT Layihəsindəki "Family Finder" testi etdirən üzvlərin Gedmatch'e iştirak eləməsini xahiş eliyirəm. Layihənin statistikalarından 24 üzvün Family Finder testi ettirdiyi görünür. Ancaq Gedmatch'dəki Azərbaycanlı üzv sayısı çox azdı, 5'e belə çatmır. Bəs niyə Family Finder testi etdirən üzvlər Gedmatch'e iştirak eləmiyib heç? Sən də yaxşı bilirsən ki autosomal dnt nəticələri en yaxşı Gedmatch'də məna qazanır. FTDNA'nın admixture nəticələri faydasızdı. Layihədəki üzvlərin autosomal test nəticələrini düz şərh eləmək içün Gedmatch'e iştirakçı olmaları zəruridi. Həmçinin, Gedmatch'in məlumat bazası FTDNA'dan daha böyük olduğu içün o üzvlər bəlkə Gedmatch'də özlərinə daha çox match tapacaq.

Bu mövzu barədə səy edəcəyindən şübhəm yox.

Caspian
08-24-2015, 08:42 PM
Az əvvəl, Türkiye'dən tanış olduğum bir Azərbaycanlı xanımı layihəyə dəvət elədim. Babaları Azərbaycan'ın Şirvan mahalından 19-cu əsrdə Türkiye'nin Amasya rayonuna köçən Sünni (Sufi) Azərbaycanlılardandı. Xanım, atasını test etdirib və test nəticələrinə görə atası J1-PF7263 olmalıdı. Bu J1 şöbəsi ən çox Yemen ve Səudiyyə Ərəbistan'da tapılıb. Mənə elə məlum olur ki bu Şirvanşahların, elə Şirvan Ərəblərinin nəslindəndi. Ki özünün mənə verdiyi məlumata görə nesli Veysəl Qərani'yə çatır.


Kit nömrəsi 294186 Veliaga Miralayef.
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Azerbaijan/default.aspx?section=yresults

Bu da atasının Gedmatch Eurogenes v2 K15 nəticələridi. Əcdadının hamısı Azərbaycanlıdı.

Population
North_Sea -
Atlantic 9.63%
Baltic 1.80%
Eastern_Euro 5.05%
West_Med 3.43%
West_Asian 36.62%
East_Med 26.74%
Red_Sea 2.96%
South_Asian 3.63%
Southeast_Asian 5.00%
Siberian 2.89%
Amerindian 0.19%
Oceanian 0.92%
Northeast_African 1.10%
Sub-Saharan -


1 Azeri @ 9.889862
2 Turkish @ 10.550094
3 Kurdish @ 11.724315
4 Iranian @ 13.897663
5 Armenian @ 14.708175
6 Georgian_Jewish @ 15.169550
7 Kumyk @ 16.501719
8 Turkmen @ 18.390821
9 Assyrian @ 18.624237
10 Adygei @ 20.343855
11 Balkar @ 21.024483
12 Kabardin @ 21.075926
13 Georgian @ 21.090975
14 Ossetian @ 22.292994
15 Iranian_Jewish @ 22.698584
16 Lezgin @ 22.727541
17 Lebanese_Muslim @ 23.480991
18 North_Ossetian @ 23.539799
19 Kurdish_Jewish @ 23.838253
20 Abhkasian @ 24.524572

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Balkar +50% Iranian_Jewish @ 8.553998


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Azeri +25% North_Ossetian +25% Turkish @ 7.326864


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Abhkasian + Azeri + Turkish + Turkish @ 7.079993
2 Abhkasian + Turkish + Turkish + Turkish @ 7.261045
3 Abhkasian + Azeri + Azeri + Turkish @ 7.270321
4 Kurdish + North_Ossetian + Turkish + Turkish @ 7.279294
5 Azeri + Georgian + Turkish + Turkish @ 7.316464
6 Azeri + North_Ossetian + Turkish + Turkish @ 7.323983
7 Azeri + Azeri + North_Ossetian + Turkish @ 7.326864
8 Balkar + Kurdish + Turkish + Turkish @ 7.379171
9 Kurdish + Ossetian + Turkish + Turkish @ 7.379227
10 Azeri + Azeri + Georgian + Turkish @ 7.395796
11 Adygei + Azeri + Turkish + Turkish @ 7.397114
12 Adygei + Kurdish + Turkish + Turkish @ 7.401127
13 Azeri + Kurdish + North_Ossetian + Turkish @ 7.436941
14 Adygei + Azeri + Azeri + Turkish @ 7.443506
15 Azeri + Ossetian + Turkish + Turkish @ 7.456448
16 Azeri + Balkar + Kurdish + Turkish @ 7.465134
17 Azeri + Azeri + Ossetian + Turkish @ 7.491302
18 Azeri + Azeri + Balkar + Turkish @ 7.506754
19 Azeri + Georgian_Jewish + North_Ossetian + Turkish @ 7.529196
20 Azeri + Balkar + Georgian_Jewish + Turkish @ 7.531627


I've just invited an Azerbaijani from Turkey to Azerbaijan DNA project. Her ancestors are Sufi Azerbaijanis who had emigrated to Turkey from Azerbaijan's Shirvan region in the 19th century. His father was tested and he is J1-PF7263 according to test results. This branch is found among Yemeni and Saudi Arabs afaik. I think that perhaps her paternal ancestor was a Turkified Shirvani Arab.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirvanshah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirvani_Arabic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs_in_the_Caucasus

What do you think about his y-dna?

Farroukh
08-25-2015, 06:32 PM
Əziz Caspian,
Mən o layihə üzvlərin yerinə onları Gedmatch bazasına əlavə edə bilmərəm, çünki:

This user has changed his/her settings so the Family Finder Raw Data cannot be downloaded by GAP Administrators.
Onlar özləri etməlidir.

Farroukh
08-25-2015, 06:40 PM
294186 nömrəli kit doğrudan J1-P58 nəsilindəndir, amma onun ərəb olunması dəqiq məlum deyil. Azərbaycanda bir neçə qədim qeyri-ərəb J1-P58 haplotipləri var.

Caspian
08-25-2015, 06:54 PM
Əziz Caspian,
Mən o layihə üzvlərin yerinə onları Gedmatch bazasına əlavə edə bilmərəm, çünki:

Onlar özləri etməlidir.

e-poçt ilə təklif edib dəvət edə bilərsən gedmatch'e? Məncə e-poçt ilə köməkçi ola bilərsən onnara.

Caspian
08-25-2015, 06:55 PM
294186 nömrəli kit doğrudan J1-P58 nəsilindəndir, amma onun ərəb olunması dəqiq məlum deyil. Azərbaycanda bir neçə qədim qeyri-ərəb J1-P58 haplotipləri var.

Bəli düzdü. J1 layihəsində J1-PF7263 kimi təsnif edilib o.

Farroukh
08-26-2015, 04:34 AM
Im half azeri from rep azerbaijan and half iranian azeri
Whatthefami, did you test your Y-DNA?

whatthefami
09-11-2015, 05:40 AM
The most common haplogroup in all data sets is haplogroup J that is present at almost equal rate in the three groups: 39.39% in Azeris, 40.00% in Azerbaijanis and 39.02% in Eastern Turks. The next frequently encountered haplogroup is hg BR* (xDE,JR) which is registered at 23.23%, 40.00%, and 9.76%, respectively. The haplogroups P*(xR1a), E*(xE3a) and R1a1 are also rather frequent in Eastern Turks (19.51%, 14.63% and 10.98%, respectively). It is necessary to add that haplogourp N3 defined by Tat mutation which presumably originated in Central Asia (34) is detected only in Azeris and Azerbaijanis.
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Is it simply HG DE or D&E and J&R Any thoughts?

Anabasis
09-11-2015, 10:06 AM
The most common haplogroup in all data sets is haplogroup J that is present at almost equal rate in the three groups: 39.39% in Azeris, 40.00% in Azerbaijanis and 39.02% in Eastern Turks. The next frequently encountered haplogroup is hg BR* (xDE,JR) which is registered at 23.23%, 40.00%, and 9.76%, respectively. The haplogroups P*(xR1a), E*(xE3a) and R1a1 are also rather frequent in Eastern Turks (19.51%, 14.63% and 10.98%, respectively). It is necessary to add that haplogourp N3 defined by Tat mutation which presumably originated in Central Asia (34) is detected only in Azeris and Azerbaijanis.
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Is it simply HG DE or D&E and J&R Any thoughts?

all of those haplogroup definations and frequencies are old and need to be updated. We can not make any etnic make up conclusions over hg without regarding the subcsclades occured in recent 2000-3000 years. Thus in my opinion all of those HGs gives us geographical distribution rather then ethnic make up.

whatthefami
09-11-2015, 02:13 PM
all of those haplogroup definations and frequencies are old and need to be updated. We can not make any etnic make up conclusions over hg without regarding the subcsclades occured in recent 2000-3000 years. Thus in my opinion all of those HGs gives us geographical distribution rather then ethnic make up.

Yeah but what about the HG DE part? D&E or really DE?

Anabasis
09-11-2015, 02:16 PM
Yeah but what about the HG DE part? D&E or really DE?

Whats your source for those frequencies?

whatthefami
09-11-2015, 02:33 PM
Whats your source for those frequencies?



Mate , all im asking is that what does it mean with DE

I googled "iranian azeris dna" and found the study

Anabasis
09-11-2015, 02:42 PM
Mate , all im asking is that what does it mean with DE

I googled "iranian azeris dna" and found the study

I dont know what does DE mean actualy. It seems very wide haplogroup which consist many haplogroups in it. Thats why the i am asking what is the study you quoted. Anyway i will search it in google.

whatthefami
09-11-2015, 02:46 PM
https://www.google.fi/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481719/&ved=0CCkQFjAFahUKEwiO06KfnO_HAhVJjywKHcjMBK4&usg=AFQjCNGd6iQ3NTxVffHWvzbZGjxjthvuzA&sig2=7eGNUOEW0QfAbZCb_NeyIA it's this one couldn't copy paste it previously sorry bout that mate

Caspian
09-13-2015, 09:45 PM
Hello everyone,
I have good news about Azerbaijani genetics. I've uploaded the 23 Azerbaijani autosomal data from Yunusbayev et al. 2015 to Gedmatch. Firstly, I've converted each PLINK formatted genotypes to FTDNA raw data format, then I've uploaded them to the Gedmatch.

Source:
http://evolbio.ut.ee/turkic/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/geo/query/acc.cgi?acc=GSE66157

I want to thank Bayazit Yunusbayev for giving me this permission.

Names, Gedmatch IDs and location information of the 23 Azerbaijani samples is as follows:

GEDMATCH ID NAME LOCATION
F900000 AzerF4 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900001 AzerE3 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900002 AzerF111 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900003 AzerE70 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900004 AzerE6 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900005 AzerB64 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900006 AzerE85 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900007 AzerE89 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900008 AzerB38 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900009 AzerE1 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900010 AzerE92 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900011 AzerB72 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900012 AzerB59 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900013 AzerB61 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900014 AzerE82 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900015 AzerB8 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900016 Azerbaijani13_1m Azerbaijan (Aghjabadi Rayon)
F900017 Azerbaijani14_1m Azerbaijan (Unknown Rayon)
F900018 AZR2_azer_Dagestan Dagestan
F900019 AZR4_azer_Dagestan Dagestan
F900020 AZR535_azer_Dagestan Dagestan
F900021 AZR8_azer_Dagestan Dagestan
F900022 AZR827_azer_Dagestan Dagestan

http://oi62.tinypic.com/6qcgt0.jpg

Now, you can play with them at the Gedmatch calculators! You can also check that do you match with them or you can check the CMs you share with them.

whatthefami
09-14-2015, 04:42 AM
Hello everyone,
I have good news about Azerbaijani genetics. I've uploaded the 23 Azerbaijani autosomal data from Yunusbayev et al. 2015 to Gedmatch. Firstly, I've converted each PLINK formatted genotypes to FTDNA raw data format, then I've uploaded them to the Gedmatch.

Source:
http://evolbio.ut.ee/turkic/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/geo/query/acc.cgi?acc=GSE66157

I want to thank Bayazit Yunusbayev for giving me this permission.

Names, Gedmatch IDs and location information of the 23 Azerbaijani samples is as follows:

GEDMATCH ID NAME LOCATION
F900000 AzerF4 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900001 AzerE3 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900002 AzerF111 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900003 AzerE70 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900004 AzerE6 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900005 AzerB64 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900006 AzerE85 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900007 AzerE89 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900008 AzerB38 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900009 AzerE1 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900010 AzerE92 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900011 AzerB72 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900012 AzerB59 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900013 AzerB61 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900014 AzerE82 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900015 AzerB8 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900016 Azerbaijani13_1m Azerbaijan (Aghjabadi Rayon)
F900017 Azerbaijani14_1m Azerbaijan (Unknown Rayon)
F900018 AZR2_azer_Dagestan Dagestan
F900019 AZR4_azer_Dagestan Dagestan
F900020 AZR535_azer_Dagestan Dagestan
F900021 AZR8_azer_Dagestan Dagestan
F900022 AZR827_azer_Dagestan Dagestan

http://oi62.tinypic.com/6qcgt0.jpg

Now, you can play with them at the Gedmatch calculators! You can also check that do you match with them or you can check the CMs you share with them.

What are their haplogroups???

whatthefami
09-14-2015, 04:44 AM
What are the HG's of those iranian azeris

Please tell me mate!

Caspian
09-14-2015, 06:16 AM
There is no haplogroup information about those samples. Yunusbayev et al. 2015 is a genetic research about autosomal analysis of Turkic peoples. But there is haplogroup information about only "azerbaijani13_1m" sample in the another research. He is J1c.

http://genome.cshlp.org/content/suppl/2015/02/18/gr.186684.114.DC1/Supplemental_Table_S9.txt

I don't know others.

whatthefami
09-14-2015, 06:52 AM
ahh i see damn! :D

whatthefami
09-14-2015, 07:59 AM
I wonder why there is no Haplogroup chart/distribution on iranian azeris in eupedia. There are many charts that have only one star of five which means that the study was based on 100 or less people. They might aswell do one of iranian azeris :)

DMXX
09-14-2015, 08:17 AM
Excellent work.

I've ran four of the Azeri Iranian samples through GEDmatch (Gedrosia K12). All of them (so far) are modelled as predominantly Kurdish/Iranian (70-90%) with additional affinities. Some are more "western" shifted (e.g. 90% Kurd_C 10% Greek), whereas others have clear Central Asian Turkish admixture.

The former is more surprising here. Not sure what accounts for this. My guess is the Greek/Stuttgart-type admix might reflect some population overlap with Anatolia other Iranians lack. We're all familiar with the numerous Turkish empires which encompassed both modern Iran and Turkey in their borders.
Perhaps the connection is even older. Another possibility is the extra "other" admixture in Kurds and Iranians is downplaying the South European affinity they "should" have otherwise had. aDNA from Anatolia seems to show the Neolithic farmers were basically like Stuttgart. Perhaps, again, some Azeri Iranians just happen to have retained more of it than what is represented by the averaged Kurdish and Iranian samples, hence the added affinity.

Another quick observation; not all the secondary Central Asian affinity looks Turkish in some samples. F900006, for example, has a slightly closer paired GD with Pamiri Tajiks than to Uzbek Afghans. Our Pamiri samples are more deficient in South and East Eurasian admixture compared to their neighbours.

The GD difference is small, but it might suggest we're dealing with three variants of secondary affinity among Azeri Iranians which pull them away from the Kurdish-Iranian norm; Central Asian Turkish, South-Central Asian and South European.

A proper run-through these samples is warranted. Might give it a go later today if I find time. Can't say I'm particularly surprised to see Azeri Iranians are closest to Kurds and other Iranians here, based on my own results (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1778-Mapping-Your-Location-(GEDmatch-calculators)&p=24748&viewfull=1#post24748).

Arbogan
09-14-2015, 10:06 AM
Excellent work.

I've ran four of the Azeri Iranian samples through GEDmatch (Gedrosia K12). All of them (so far) are modelled as predominantly Kurdish/Iranian (70-90%) with additional affinities. Some are more "western" shifted (e.g. 90% Kurd_C 10% Greek), whereas others have clear Central Asian Turkish admixture.

The former is more surprising here. Not sure what accounts for this. My guess is the Greek/Stuttgart-type admix might reflect some population overlap with Anatolia other Iranians lack. We're all familiar with the numerous Turkish empires which encompassed both modern Iran and Turkey in their borders.
Perhaps the connection is even older. Another possibility is the extra "other" admixture in Kurds and Iranians is downplaying the South European affinity they "should" have otherwise had. aDNA from Anatolia seems to show the Neolithic farmers were basically like Stuttgart. Perhaps, again, some Azeri Iranians just happen to have retained more of it than what is represented by the averaged Kurdish and Iranian samples, hence the added affinity.

Another quick observation; not all the secondary Central Asian affinity looks Turkish in some samples. F900006, for example, has a slightly closer paired GD with Pamiri Tajiks than to Uzbek Afghans. Our Pamiri samples are more deficient in South and East Eurasian admixture compared to their neighbours.

The GD difference is small, but it might suggest we're dealing with three variants of secondary affinity among Azeri Iranians which pull them away from the Kurdish-Iranian norm; Central Asian Turkish, South-Central Asian and South European.

A proper run-through these samples is warranted. Might give it a go later today if I find time. Can't say I'm particularly surprised to see Azeri Iranians are closest to Kurds and other Iranians here, based on my own results (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1778-Mapping-Your-Location-(GEDmatch-calculators)&p=24748&viewfull=1#post24748).

Well, it makes sense. Azaris were a part of the greater west-iranian peoples. Their pre-turkic language was a north-western iranian language related to caspian west-iranians like talysh and gilaki. There are still some pockets of related populations left in azerbaijan, the largest community belonging to the talysh people. The historical rebel Babak khorramdin, was an azari. In historical records, sources mention the people of urmuiyeh, as "persian speakers". Which denotes that they belonged to the broader west-iranian ethnic collective, as the term "persian speaker" denotes anyone related to the west-iranian branch of ethnic groups.

Anabasis
09-14-2015, 10:20 AM
Well, it makes sense. Azaris were a part of the greater west-iranian peoples. Their pre-turkic language was a north-western iranian language related to caspian west-iranians like talysh and gilaki. There are still some pockets of related populations left in azerbaijan, the largest community belonging to the talysh people. The historical rebel Babak khorramdin, was an azari. In historical records, sources mention the people of urmuiyeh, as "persian speakers". Which denotes that they belonged to the broader west-iranian ethnic collective, as the term "persian speaker" denotes anyone related to the west-iranian branch of ethnic groups.

Well turkic input of Azeris show itself in admixture results. Thus we can not explain genetic closeness as pure "assimilation" as far as there are considerable input from Norh East Asia and SE asia... Although its ranges changes from %3-10, it exsist and we all see it.

Arbogan
09-14-2015, 10:26 AM
Well turkic input of Azeris show itself in admixture results. Thus we can not explain genetic closeness as pure "assimilation" as far as there are considerable input from Norh East Asia and SE asia... Although its ranges changes from %3-10, it exsist and we all see it.

It depends on the azeris. Iranian azeris have less admixture than azeris from azerbaijan. The larger part of their ancestry is consistent with their historic cultural and ethnological affinities. According to historical records, Azari was spoken up until 14th century. Talysh are remanents of the historical, cultural and ethnic landscape. That predominated before the turkic invasions of west-asia and greater Iran. I don't contest that iranian azeris today, identify as turks. But scientifically and historically they were west-iranian.

DMXX
09-14-2015, 10:38 AM
Elite dominance is a phrase that's bandied around very often in these discussions. It has to be stated that it exists in several (arbitrarily defined) degrees. It is abundantly clear that "complete" elite dominance (insignificant genetic contribution) didn't occur anywhere in West Asia. There's clear admixture pulling West Asian Turkic speakers to the east. Yunusbayev et al. demonstrated this via IBD segments anyway.

Also, regional group averages serve a purpose here in providing a meaningful idea regarding the extent linguistic benefactors also contributed in terms of genetic heritage to a group. In Turkey itself, there are individuals with barely 1% total East Eurasian admixture, whereas the likes of Ashina or basmaci exceed 15%.

We now have regional data in Turkey, as well as samples from the Republic of Azerbaijan and Iranian Azerbaijan. I'll try and produce some data on these later today.

whatthefami
09-14-2015, 09:02 PM
"Contemporary linguistic evidence has challenged the previously suggested view that the Kurds are descendants of the Medes.[60][61] Gernot Windfuhr (professor of Iranian Studies) identified Kurdish dialects as Parthian, albeit with a Median substratum.[62] David Neil MacKenzie, an authority on the Kurdish language, thought that the Medes spoke a northwestern Iranian language, while the Kurdish people speak Kurmanji which is also a northwestern Iranian language.[63][page needed][not in citation given][contradictory] The Kurdologist Martin van Bruinessen argues against the attempt to treat Medes as ancestors of the Kurds.[59] Garnik Asatrian stated that "The Central Iranian dialects, and primarily those of the Kashan area in the first place, as well as the Azari dialects (otherwise called Southern Tati) are probably the only Iranian dialects, which can pretend to be the direct offshoots of Median ... In general, the relationship between Kurdish and Median are not closer than the affinities between the latter and other North Western dialects — Baluchi, Talishi, South Caspian, Zaza, Gurani, etc."[64]
-wikipedia

Has anyone else noticed a connection between iranian azaris and medes?

DMXX
09-16-2015, 11:48 AM
Alright, I'm almost done with a blog entry which looks at the following:
1) Autosomal profile of Azeri Iranians (together with the two new Republic Azeris) relative to neighbouring populations
2) Degree of East Eurasian admixture among these same populations
3) Modelling of Azeri Iranians to try and pin down the average degree of Oghuz Turkish admixture (this is a tricky one but a speculative range that agrees with the conceptual absolutes is used here)

Anything else people would like to see explored? Will try and squeeze others in (within reason, may require separate entries later). Trying to keep the focus on Azeris with this one.

DMXX
09-18-2015, 11:11 AM
Alrighty. The entry became too large, so I've split them into two;

1) Showcasing of Azeri Iranian autosomal data
2) ADMIXTURE-guided estimation of total Medieval (Oghuz) Turkish genetic contribution to West Asian Turkic speakers

Very grateful to Caspian, Kurd and Zeph for making the relevant data available to me. None of this would be possible without them. Need to review both, but they'll be posted over the next few days (no time today, thank you all for your patience).

As an aside, I've contrasted my own results with these Azeri Iranians. Despite being half, I fit neatly within their component diversity (aside from lower W. Siberian, though the other E. Eurasian components make up for that). First time that's ever happened (don't do nearly as well with the Iranian nationwide average). Probably reflecting the effect of regional specificity. Suggests to me that northern Persians (my other half) are essentially Azeri Iranians with less East Eurasian admixture.

The average East Eurasian admixture among them is 6.2% (compared to 3.2% in the Iranian nationwide average). I'm at 5.3%, so closer to the Azeri Iranians again (some of them score less than this). This is all covered in the upcoming second entry.

Farroukh
10-09-2015, 08:30 AM
Dear firends, let us forget about language, culture and and religion. All of them are ephemeral.
DNA is more informative. Azeri people are close to other peoples of north-western region of Great Iran.

Dil, din və mədəniyyət dəyişilən şeylərdir. DNT testləri daha məlumatlıdır. Bu testlərə görə Azərilər Böyük İranın Şimal-Qərb tərəfli xalqlarına çox yaxındırlar.
"Bir millət - iki dövlət" :)

Caspian
10-14-2015, 11:10 AM
Alrighty. The entry became too large, so I've split them into two;

1) Showcasing of Azeri Iranian autosomal data
2) ADMIXTURE-guided estimation of total Medieval (Oghuz) Turkish genetic contribution to West Asian Turkic speakers

Very grateful to Caspian, Kurd and Zeph for making the relevant data available to me. None of this would be possible without them. Need to review both, but they'll be posted over the next few days (no time today, thank you all for your patience).

As an aside, I've contrasted my own results with these Azeri Iranians. Despite being half, I fit neatly within their component diversity (aside from lower W. Siberian, though the other E. Eurasian components make up for that). First time that's ever happened (don't do nearly as well with the Iranian nationwide average). Probably reflecting the effect of regional specificity. Suggests to me that northern Persians (my other half) are essentially Azeri Iranians with less East Eurasian admixture.

The average East Eurasian admixture among them is 6.2% (compared to 3.2% in the Iranian nationwide average). I'm at 5.3%, so closer to the Azeri Iranians again (some of them score less than this). This is all covered in the upcoming second entry.

It is interesting. My father has got about 17% East Eurasian admixture on Eurogenes calculators according to his phased kit while my mom has got 7-8%. He probably has got about 3x more Central Asian Turkic/Mongolic heritage than average of these Azerbaijani results. His East Eurasian admixture is really so high for a West Asian person. His East Eurasian scores more similar to Turkmen, Tajik and Tatar than Azerbaijanis.

Some of his interesting oracle results:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkish @ 10.147000
2 Azeri @ 12.399261
3 Turkmen @ 13.473845
4 Kurdish @ 18.198175
5 Iranian @ 18.626354
6 Armenian @ 19.609221
7 Kumyk @ 20.196566
8 Georgian_Jewish @ 20.415998
9 Assyrian @ 20.816286
10 Nogay @ 21.454784
11 Lebanese_Muslim @ 21.700535
12 Syrian @ 21.915628
13 Iranian_Jewish @ 22.883804
14 Balkar @ 22.988453
15 Kurdish_Jewish @ 23.185024
16 Afghan_Tadjik @ 24.003555
17 Kabardin @ 24.652004
18 Cyprian @ 24.740242
19 Adygei @ 24.916460
20 Ossetian @ 24.975393

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Turkish +50% Turkmen @ 7.985811


interesting mixtures

81.1% Turkish + 18.9% Uygur @ 4.68
81.3% Turkish + 18.7% Hazara @ 4.74
88.1% Turkish + 11.9% Mongolian @ 4.76
79.2% Turkish + 20.8% Aghan_Hazara @ 4.78
85.6% Turkish + 14.4% Kirgiz @ 4.85
65.6% Armenian + 34.4% Uygur @ 5.31
86.1% Turkish + 13.9% Kazakh @ 5.43
80.9% Turkish + 19.1% Uzbeki @ 5.62
72.2% Armenian + 27.8% Kazakh @ 5.86
62.8% Armenian + 37.2% Aghan_Hazara @ 6.19
61.0% Assyrian + 39.0% Aghan_Hazara @ 6.31
63.8% Armenian + 36.2% Uzbeki @ 6.63
66.1% Armenian + 33.9% Hazara @ 6.63
88.8% Azeri + 11.2% Japanese @ 6.67
86.0% Azeri + 14.0% Mongolian @ 6.82
64.2% Assyrian + 35.8% Uygur @ 6.68
77.1% Armenian + 22.9% Mongolian @ 6.91
83.4% Azeri + 16.6% Kirgiz @ 7.23
64.5% Assyrian + 35.5% Hazara @ 7.24
83.7% Azeri + 16.3% Kazakh @ 7.57

2/3 Armenian + 1/3 Uyghur or 3/4 Armenian + 1/4 Mongolian seems very good fit for him.

StarDS9
10-07-2018, 01:26 PM
Hello everyone,
I have good news about Azerbaijani genetics. I've uploaded the 23 Azerbaijani autosomal data from Yunusbayev et al. 2015 to Gedmatch. Firstly, I've converted each PLINK formatted genotypes to FTDNA raw data format, then I've uploaded them to the Gedmatch.

Source:
http://evolbio.ut.ee/turkic/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/geo/query/acc.cgi?acc=GSE66157

I want to thank Bayazit Yunusbayev for giving me this permission.

Names, Gedmatch IDs and location information of the 23 Azerbaijani samples is as follows:

GEDMATCH ID NAME LOCATION
F900000 AzerF4 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900001 AzerE3 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900002 AzerF111 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900003 AzerE70 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900004 AzerE6 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900005 AzerB64 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900006 AzerE85 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900007 AzerE89 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900008 AzerB38 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900009 AzerE1 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900010 AzerE92 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900011 AzerB72 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900012 AzerB59 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900013 AzerB61 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900014 AzerE82 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900015 AzerB8 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900016 Azerbaijani13_1m Azerbaijan (Aghjabadi Rayon)
F900017 Azerbaijani14_1m Azerbaijan (Unknown Rayon)
F900018 AZR2_azer_Dagestan Dagestan
F900019 AZR4_azer_Dagestan Dagestan
F900020 AZR535_azer_Dagestan Dagestan
F900021 AZR8_azer_Dagestan Dagestan
F900022 AZR827_azer_Dagestan Dagestan

http://oi62.tinypic.com/6qcgt0.jpg

Now, you can play with them at the Gedmatch calculators! You can also check that do you match with them or you can check the CMs you share with them.

My mother is related to AzerE6 of Iran on Gedmatch, so far can tell she has 2 Azeri relatives on gedmatch. AzerE6 is also related to my cousin and another few from my region.

This could be from 200+ years ago relatives from North Iran before Alevis came to Turkey.

asm
11-09-2018, 12:04 PM
Hello everyone,
I have good news about Azerbaijani genetics. I've uploaded the 23 Azerbaijani autosomal data from Yunusbayev et al. 2015 to Gedmatch. Firstly, I've converted each PLINK formatted genotypes to FTDNA raw data format, then I've uploaded them to the Gedmatch.

Source:
http://evolbio.ut.ee/turkic/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/geo/query/acc.cgi?acc=GSE66157

I want to thank Bayazit Yunusbayev for giving me this permission.

Names, Gedmatch IDs and location information of the 23 Azerbaijani samples is as follows:

GEDMATCH ID NAME LOCATION
F900000 AzerF4 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900001 AzerE3 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900002 AzerF111 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900003 AzerE70 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900004 AzerE6 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900005 AzerB64 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900006 AzerE85 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900007 AzerE89 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900008 AzerB38 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900009 AzerE1 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900010 AzerE92 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900011 AzerB72 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900012 AzerB59 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900013 AzerB61 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900014 AzerE82 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900015 AzerB8 Iran (South Azerbaijan)
F900016 Azerbaijani13_1m Azerbaijan (Aghjabadi Rayon)
F900017 Azerbaijani14_1m Azerbaijan (Unknown Rayon)
F900018 AZR2_azer_Dagestan Dagestan
F900019 AZR4_azer_Dagestan Dagestan
F900020 AZR535_azer_Dagestan Dagestan
F900021 AZR8_azer_Dagestan Dagestan
F900022 AZR827_azer_Dagestan Dagestan

http://oi62.tinypic.com/6qcgt0.jpg

Now, you can play with them at the Gedmatch calculators! You can also check that do you match with them or you can check the CMs you share with them.

Some of the Dagestanian Azeris turn out to be mostly North Caucasian.
Another interesting fact,the kit from Agjabedi gets quite lower South-Central Asia.

I'm really interested in Tat-Dagli genetics,if you have any information about them.Until now,everyone has idea that they are Iranian nation because of their language.However,I don't have doubt they should have quite high North/West Caucasian substrate + Semitic.

Ilgar
09-01-2019, 08:40 PM
Salamlar camaat ! :)

Mən Azərbaycan Türklərini həm də başqa əlavə bir qrupa yığmaqı təklif edirəm araşdırma üçün.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/azerbaijani-turks-turkic/