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R.Rocca
06-19-2015, 01:53 PM
Although mtDNA haplogroup H4 is not very frequent today, it has shown up nicely in Ancient DNA from two sites in Germany across three major archaeological cultures. As an aside, this also happens to be my mtDNA. The samples are as follows:

Culture: Corded Ware
Country: Germany
Site: Quedlinburg [QUEXII 1]
Date: 2300-2130 BC
mtDNA: H4a1

Culture: Bell Beaker?
Country: Germany
Site: Quedlinburg [QUEXII 2]
Date: 2050-1940 BC
mtDNA: H4a1

Culture: Unetice
Country: Germany
Site: Eulau [EUL 41]
Date: 2200-1550 BC
mtDNA: H4a1a1a2

Culture: Unetice
Country: Germany
Site: Eulau [EUL 41]
Date: 2115-1966 BC
mtDNA: H4a1a1

REWM
06-20-2015, 06:41 PM
My mtDNA haplogroup is H4A1A4B who were from Germany.

randwulf
10-03-2015, 08:43 PM
Interesting information. My wife is H4a1a.

Krefter
10-03-2015, 09:18 PM
H4a1a is also in Spanish Cardiel meaning it was also in Anatolia/East Mediterranean 8,000 years ago. Most H4 is H4a1a in Europe but I haven't seen H4 data from outside of Europe.

Crankypants
03-15-2017, 06:47 AM
I cannot find info about groups H4a1a4b and CTS4179 That is understandable to my not so scientific mind. Any good sources for this info?

Judith
03-15-2017, 03:51 PM
I cannot find info about groups H4a1a4b and CTS4179 That is understandable to my not so scientific mind. Any good sources for this info?

Please have a look at the ftdna H4 project web site where you will find some information.
H4a1a14b is one of the popular clusters which implies that it was spread across Europe in a period of expanding population. The best guess (hypothesis) is that this sub clade spread with the arrival of diary farming.

Eupedia has a map of all H4 based on the data on the H4 project web pages.
If you tested with ftdna or geno then please join the project or post your furthest back maternal origins (mother's mother's etc) here

JenV
11-16-2017, 03:41 PM
My mtDNA is H6a1a and was found in the Corded Ware Culture in Esperstedt Germany in approximately 2300 BCE AND in the Bell Beaker Culture in approximately 1800 BCE in the Netherlands.

jonahst
04-17-2018, 03:33 AM
I just saw a Kurdish woman from Turkey who posted her Living DNA results online, and she's H4a1.

R.Rocca
05-03-2018, 07:29 PM
The new total list of H4 ancient DNA samples to date. If anyone has any additional ones, please add to the list:

Sample: H3C 6
mtDNA: H4a1a
Culture: Cardial Pottery Culture
Date: 5360-5310 BC
Location: Cova de l'Or (Alicante), Spain

Sample: F19
mtDNA: H4a1a
Culture: Cardial Pottery Culture
Date: 5310-5220 BC
Location: Galeria da Cisterna, Almonda Cave, Portugal

Sample: I5371
mtDNA: H4a1a2a
Culture: Scotland Neolithic
Date: 4000–3300 BCE
Location: Raschoille Cave, Oban, Argyll and Bute, Scotland

Sample: I2510
mtDNA: H4a1
Culture: Balkans Bronze Age
Date: 2906-2710 calBCE
Location: Dzhulyunitsa, Bulgaria

Sample: I6584
mtDNA: H4a1a+195
Culture: Bell Beaker
Date: 2500–2000 BCE
Location: Humanejos, Madrid, Spain

Sample: QUEXII 1
mtDNA: H4a1
Culture: Corded Ware
Date: 2300-2130 BC
Location: Quedlinburg, Germany

Sample: I4945
mtDNA: H4a1c
Culture: Bell Beaker
Date: 2291–2144 calBCE (3795±20 BP, PSUAMS-2854)
Location: Prague 8, Kobylisy, Ke Stírce Street, Czech Republic

Sample: I6774
mtDNA: H4a1a1a
Culture: Bell Beaker
Date: 2287–2044 calBCE (3760±30 BP, SUERC-74755)
Location: Ditchling Road, Brighton, Sussex, England

Sample: I0803
mtDNA: H4a1a1a
Culture: Unetice
Date: 2132-1942 calBCE (3650±26 BP, MAMS-22822)
Location: Eulau, Germany

Sample: QUEXII 2
mtDNA: H4a1
Culture: Bell Beaker?
Date: 2050-1940 BC
Location: Quedlinburg, Germany

Sample: I4884
mtDNA: H4a1a1a
Culture: Czech Early Bronze Age
Date: 1882–1745 calBCE (3480±20 BP, PSUAMS-2842)
Location: Prague 8, Kobylisy, Ke Stírce Street, Czech Republic

Sample: Turlojiske3
mtDNA: H4a1a1a3
Culture: Baltic Bronze Age
Date: 1010-800 cal BCE
Location: Lithuania Turlojiškė II

rfgrant
05-21-2018, 04:18 PM
I just received info that my haplogroup is H4a1a4b but so far that is all I know. My maternal ancestors came from England to America in the 1840's as Mormons. They settled in the US west - Iowa, Nebraska, and Utah. I live in Florida, USA. I am a retirement law enforcement officer.

rfgrant
05-21-2018, 04:22 PM
Hmm. Are you my granddaughter who was called Professor Crankypants? I guess not since you live in California. We live in Florida and have H4a1a4b group in our DNA. I did have relatives in California but have not been in touch for a very long time. Their ancestor was Alonzo Shull and Echo Bayliss. Are you related to them?

CatherineRose
06-30-2018, 01:02 AM
I am H4A1 and in the states.

TomasV
07-17-2018, 10:44 AM
My mtDNA haplogroup is H4a1a2a .
My mother, her mother and her grand mother were living in Bohemia . Birth of my grand grand mother was around 1860 . It is difficult to follow maternal lines with the name changes when they married but it seems that that older generations have also lived in the same region of central Bohemia .

Babiej
08-09-2018, 01:34 AM
My mtDNA haplogroup is H4a1a2a. I am adopted and was given no information on where I came from.
Is there anyway to use my haplogroup to find any birth relatives?

Saetro
08-09-2018, 07:50 PM
My mtDNA haplogroup is H4a1a2a. I am adopted and was given no information on where I came from.
Is there anyway to use my haplogroup to find any birth relatives?

It can be useful for confirming a suspected relationship.
The trick is to find them in the first place.
That is most likely with autosomal DNA or conventional methods.

If you have not already joined the Haplogroup H4 Project at FTDNA, you should do so.
A quick look showed a few people with H4a1a2 on the map, most on the eastern seaboard of the US, so that alone might be helpful.
(They might be upstream of your specific H4a1a2a subclade, or they might be the same as you, but the map is just not that specific.)

Good luck.

Judith
08-25-2018, 10:33 AM
We can now add another H4 from the Viking period in Sweden and you can read more on this thread
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?15110-DNA-and-Strontium-Isotope-Variation-Reveal-Immigration-Patterns-in-a-Viking-Age-Town

Sample bns023
mtDNA H4a1a3a
Date 1000-1200 AD
Culture Viking
Place Sigtuna Sweden

But we also need to take one off Richard Rocca’s very comprehensive list earlier in this thread because I corresponded with the authors and the sample I5371 from the Raschoille cave in Argyll is in fact Ka1 etc as reported in Selina Brace’s paper not H4a1a2a at all. Shame!

RiseAboveIt
09-02-2018, 08:22 AM
i'm H4a1a1a...
Sample: I6774
mtDNA: H4a1a1a
Culture: Bell Beaker
Date: 2287–2044 calBCE (3760±30 BP, SUERC-74755)
Location: Ditchling Road, Brighton, Sussex, England

I have Russian, English, Finnish, Swedish, Hungarian, AJ, Am Indian, German, French Canadian, Romanian and so on... 23andMe said I am H4 but everything else says H4a1a1a. Not a lot of info on us though.

Judith
09-05-2018, 08:02 PM
i'm H4a1a1a...
Sample: I6774
mtDNA: H4a1a1a
Culture: Bell Beaker
Date: 2287–2044 calBCE (3760±30 BP, SUERC-74755)
Location: Ditchling Road, Brighton, Sussex, England

I have Russian, English, Finnish, Swedish, Hungarian, AJ, Am Indian, German, French Canadian, Romanian and so on... 23andMe said I am H4 but everything else says H4a1a1a. Not a lot of info on us though.

Have a read of the ftdna project pages to be found here https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mt-dna-h4/about/background
My 23&me result said H4a1 but then James lick’s calculator said H4a1a1a as the most probable. Which is correct since that is what my mother is. So it is a bit surprising that 23&me only say H4 but they may have changed their test somewhat with the new kit.
You can transfer your autosomal dna to ftdna for free and apply to join the ftdna project but no mtdna data is imported in the transfer so you get no matches.
Where in Europe is your maternal line from?

http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/h4a1_genbank_sequences.htm