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Afshar
06-26-2015, 10:44 AM
Following rise samples show Turkic admixture in different calculators:
RISE493 Sabinka 2, Russia M Q-L712 C4a1c 3214 years
RISE495 Arban 1, Russia M R-F3105 D4j1
RISE496 Arban 1, Russia F U5a1a2a 3070 years
RISE497 Arban 1, Russia F-P142 A2f2 ~2000 years
RISE502 Bystrovka, Russia F U5a1d 3140 years
RISE504 Kytmanovo, Russia M J-CTS3732 C4a1d 1208 years
RISE600 Verh-Uimon, Russia M Q-M25 K2a5
RISE601 Verh-Uimon, Russia M M8a1 ~2000 years
RISE602 Sary-Bel, Russia M J-M410 C4 ~2000 years

Maybe some more experienced users can tell me what we can conclude out of these data?

Táltos
06-26-2015, 02:55 PM
Afshar,
On Molgen (Russian site) if you have not seen in their Y DNA Q forum there is some discussion. Here I will quote Шад and Yurgan. Please keep in mind I have Google translate on so it is most likely not a perfect translation.
Шад:

RISE601 - Q-L715 * Positive SNiPs level Q-L715: YP777, YP786, YP790, YP792, YP793, YP794, YP799, YP804, YP805, YP806, YP808, YP809, YP815, YP818, YP820, YP824, YP826, YP830, YP831 , YP834, YP835, YP836, YP839, YP840, YP849 Checked Balkar Q-L715 * to match - no matches. Similarly, for the underlying branches of Q-L713, Q-YP1667 and Q-YP789. Thus, we are dealing with a separate branch of the parallel advanced subclades Q-L715. Let me remind you that the age of Q-L713 is estimated by us in 5300 years. Since the age of the sample - the middle of the 1st millennium BC (Soёnov VI History Research Hun-Sarmatian era of Gorny Altai), the version of the parallel Subclades for all current Q-L715 confirmed. This subclade or cut short, or its modern representatives have not yet been found. Returning to the traditional question of all those present at the forum Q-L712 - "Who were our ancestors?", we can now confidently say - they were the ancestors of the tribes Hun-Sarmatian circle, who lived in Central Asia.
Yurgan's reply:

In the Russian literature, in contrast to the western Central Asia, under the commonly understood Mongolia and parts of China. I would say that associated with the territory of Southern Siberia.
http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,3471.510.html

Afshar
06-26-2015, 03:12 PM
So he concludes that they (L712 people) originated from a common Sarmatian-Hunnic pool? As far as the ydna goes offcourse. Problem with the Qs is, its overrepresented in the Altai samples, but underrepresented in recent samples except the Turkmen m25.
But how does this all relate to the autosomal dna?

Ps
Ordered L715, maybe I am the lucky one:P

Táltos
06-26-2015, 03:39 PM
So he concludes that they (L712 people) originated from a common Sarmatian-Hunnic pool? As far as the ydna goes offcourse. Problem with the Qs is, its overrepresented in the Altai samples, but underrepresented in recent samples except the Turkmen m25.
But how does this all relate to the autosomal dna?

Ps
Ordered L715, maybe I am the lucky one:P

That seems to be his train of thought. That's what I got out of Google translate anyway! Sometimes haplogroups can relate to autosomal DNA if they are trying to show migrations of these haplogroups. Other cases it doesn't relate. Examples are some people who have Native American haplogroup Y DNA or mtDNA and then have no Native American in their admixture results. So it just depends, each situation is different.

Good luck on L715!

J Man
06-26-2015, 04:26 PM
Following rise samples show Turkic admixture in different calculators:
RISE493 Sabinka 2, Russia M Q-L712 C4a1c 3214 years
RISE495 Arban 1, Russia M R-F3105 D4j1
RISE496 Arban 1, Russia F U5a1a2a 3070 years
RISE497 Arban 1, Russia F-P142 A2f2 ~2000 years
RISE502 Bystrovka, Russia F U5a1d 3140 years
RISE504 Kytmanovo, Russia M J-CTS3732 C4a1d 1208 years
RISE600 Verh-Uimon, Russia M Q-M25 K2a5
RISE601 Verh-Uimon, Russia M M8a1 ~2000 years
RISE602 Sary-Bel, Russia M J-M410 C4 ~2000 years

Maybe some more experienced users can tell me what we can conclude out of these data?

I know that I already said this but it would be nice to figure out which cultures the J-M410 samples belonged to. Unfortunately I can't find much information on the net about their burial sites of Sary-Bel and Kytmanovo.

Шад
06-28-2015, 05:39 PM
I know that I already said this but it would be nice to figure out which cultures the J-M410 samples belonged to. Unfortunately I can't find much information on the net about their burial sites of Sary-Bel and Kytmanovo.

About Sary-Bel burial site (Сары-Бел)
http://e-lib.gasu.ru/da/archive/1999/N4/st17.pdf

About Kytmanovo burial site (Кытманово or Кытмановский могильник)
http://altarcheomuseum.wix.com/altai-archeology#!broze-age/c1ffw

Шад
06-28-2015, 05:40 PM
See also: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?4792-Hg-Q-Ancient-DNA&p=92996#post92996