View Full Version : Suggested late Neolithic origin of T2f

06-29-2015, 02:39 PM
This information is quoted from a newly published (June, 2015) dissertation by Anna Szécsényi-Nagy, p.97:

Late Neolithic novel haplogroups are the U8, appearing first in the Sopot culture and T2f, emerging in the Lengyel culture...

Haplogroup T2f appeared first in the Körös culture in Hungary, but it was also present in the Alföld-LBK (Keerl, 2014). It reached Central Germany with the earliest farmers (LBK), and persisted in the succeeding Rössen and Schöningen groups as well (Haak et al., 2010, Brandt et al., 2013). Since these T2f haplogroups from Alföld and Germany are the same haplotype that was detected first in the Lengyel period of Transdanubia, it might be just a coincidence, that T2f has not been found yet in the previous SOP, LBKT or STA datasets.

The complete dissertation is available as a .pdf download at http://ubm.opus.hbz-nrw.de/volltexte/2015/4075/pdf/doc.pdf

10-10-2015, 08:30 PM
The previous T and J study mentioned only this wrt T2f:

The two subclades of T2f, which dates to ∼17 ka ago, are both recognizable in HVS-I and appear to be almost entirely European, with very minor dispersal back into the Near East, mainly the Levant. T2f1, dating to ∼12 ka ago, is more frequent in north-central Europe but extends across eastern Europe and into central Asia, whereas the younger T2f2, dated to ∼7 ka ago, has a more restricted distribution in Italy, the Balkans, and north of the Black Sea. Moreover, there is a T2f∗ sequence from France.


10-10-2015, 09:39 PM
The previous T and J study mentioned only this wrt T2f:

But note that the date of that study is 2012. I'm T2f3, which was identified more recently. And there are several of us, by now.

02-21-2021, 10:31 AM
T2f2 predicted here, according to the James Lick software. It's rare, FTDNA shows it in the Balkans, Italy, Finland and Germany. Unfortunately, the ancient mtDNA database (https://amtdb.org/records/) doesn't have any hits yet but there are some T2f showing up, in Copper Age Hungary and Germany and in Bronze Age Bulgaria. Seems like a Neolithic Eastern European haplogroup.

02-21-2021, 05:27 PM
Makes me wonder if mine is a later Neolithic arrival as well. Interesting the increase in genetic diversity from EEF-times to the eNeolithic within farmer communities.

08-25-2021, 04:14 PM
First T2f2 in ancient DNA record, from the recent Croatia paper:


It's from the Roman era individual, with suspected Sarmatian paternal ancestry.

09-11-2021, 02:53 PM
Interestingly, none of the newly added Turkish samples (https://www.yfull.com/samples-from-paper/540/?page=1) belong to T2f, even though T2 is well represented in general. So it was either a minor clade in Anatolia and has remained so, or maybe it didn't come to Europe through Anatolia. But not sure how to explain its presence in Central-Eastern Europe during the Neolithic if that's the case.