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lgmayka
07-06-2015, 10:57 PM
Individual tests for these two SNPs are now available from FTDNA:

YP1144 (http://yfull.com/tree/R-YP1144/) < Y3219 < Y2902 < CTS8816 < Y33 < CTS3402 < Y35 < CTS1211 < Z280

YP1147 (at the YP1145 level) (http://yfull.com/tree/R-YP1145/) < CTS1211 < Z280

khanabadoshi
07-23-2015, 06:01 PM
I'm doing the z283 downstream test from ftDNA. It is taking quite some time to complete. I ordered it a while ago. My confirmed group is z282 according to all the tests I've done so far. It's a pretty confusing result if you take a look at my ethnicity to the side. Maybe someone can shed some light?

Artmar
07-23-2015, 07:28 PM
I'm doing the z283 downstream test from ftDNA. It is taking quite some time to complete. I ordered it a while ago. My confirmed group is z282 according to all the tests I've done so far. It's a pretty confusing result if you take a look at my ethnicity to the side. Maybe someone can shed some light?

Hello, khanabadoshi, please join an R1a Project and we will take care: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1a/about :)

khanabadoshi
07-24-2015, 02:35 PM
Hello, khanabadoshi, please join an R1a Project and we will take care: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1a/about :)

Thanks, will do!

khanabadoshi
07-25-2015, 06:52 PM
Hello, khanabadoshi, please join an R1a Project and we will take care: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1a/about :)

I've clicked the join button! Beyond that, anything else I should do?

paulgill
07-25-2015, 07:16 PM
I'm doing the z283 downstream test from ftDNA. It is taking quite some time to complete. I ordered it a while ago. My confirmed group is z282 according to all the tests I've done so far. It's a pretty confusing result if you take a look at my ethnicity to the side. Maybe someone can shed some light?

Why not get it done at YSEQ for $17.50 each?

khanabadoshi
07-25-2015, 08:06 PM
Why not get it done at YSEQ for $17.50 each?

I ordered the test a long time ago! Before I ever came to this forum (which I found thanks to you!). I actually just got the results today. It was mentioned that I should to an STR test... where should I go for that?

paulgill
07-25-2015, 09:32 PM
I ordered the test a long time ago! Before I ever came to this forum (which I found thanks to you!). I actually just got the results today. It was mentioned that I should to an STR test... where should I go for that?

STRs test is good only for the last few generations, which you already know much about, but if you have none done so far, and need to get them done to join a Project at FTDNA then you have to do them with either FTDNA. You can also get 37 STRs test for $85 at YSEQ, but I am not sure if they are transferable to FTDNA. There are many other members on this forum who know better than me and I hope they will step in to guide you.

I personally have tested at 23andMe[proven useless], FTDNA 67STRs[proven useless], Geno 2.0 [proven useless], and now have ordered WGS at Full Genomes and waiting for the results and expect it to be very useful.

Artmar
07-26-2015, 12:15 PM
I've clicked the join button! Beyond that, anything else I should do?
What's your kit number? We are notified of every (successful) join.

khanabadoshi
07-30-2015, 04:46 PM
What's your kit number? We are notified of every (successful) join.

N127505

It says I can expect my mtDNA by 08/12/15 and Y-STR by 10/07/15.
Is this type of time frame to be expected?

If I wait until I get my Y-STR results and then order Big Y that will probably take a few months as well?

Artmar
07-30-2015, 07:10 PM
N127505
You're in. But since you don't have Y-STRs yet - you aren't visible in the "classic" Results section.



It says I can expect my mtDNA by 08/12/15 and Y-STR by 10/07/15.
Is this type of time frame to be expected?
We are now receiving Y-STR markers from batch 620-622. There may be some exceptions but it would seem that such timeframe is expectable



If I wait until I get my Y-STR results and then order Big Y that will probably take a few months as well?
Usual time for a Big Y results to arrive is 8 weeks after batching. But there are exceptions, as in other cases.

lgmayka
07-30-2015, 10:02 PM
If I wait until I get my Y-STR results and then order Big Y that will probably take a few months as well?
Just for your information: You could order the Big Y right now for $488.75 using the cjs2015 coupon code.

khanabadoshi
07-31-2015, 06:42 AM
You're in. But since you don't have Y-STRs yet - you aren't visible in the "classic" Results section

We are now receiving Y-STR markers from batch 620-622. There may be some exceptions but it would seem that such timeframe is expectable
Usual time for a Big Y results to arrive is 8 weeks after batching. But there are exceptions, as in other cases.

Thank you for confirming!


Just for your information: You could order the Big Y right now for $488.75 using the cjs2015 coupon code.

Yeah.. I am considering it. I mean I am pretty sure when I do get my STRs everyone will say next step is do Big Y... so why not just do it now? Instead of waiting for those results and then waiting another 2 months?

lgmayka
07-31-2015, 09:58 AM
I mean I am pretty sure when I do get my STRs everyone will say next step is do Big Y... so why not just do it now? Instead of waiting for those results and then waiting another 2 months?
Yes, exactly. At the moment, the cjs2015 coupon code is still working.

khanabadoshi
07-31-2015, 10:05 AM
Yes, exactly. At the moment, the cjs2015 coupon code is still working.

Shall I take the leap? Hahaha. Why not? Let's go login ftDNA

khanabadoshi
07-31-2015, 10:10 AM
Well that's settled. Ordered.
I am pretty patient, but not that patient to wait 4-5 months. Let's get this over with.

Kaido
07-31-2015, 10:52 AM
Well that's settled. Ordered.
I am pretty patient, but not that patient to wait 4-5 months. Let's get this over with.

You might get lucky, mine only took 4 weeks.

khanabadoshi
07-31-2015, 10:53 AM
You might get lucky, mine only took 4 weeks.

They are projecting october for my strs
who knows for the big y
i ordered my mtdna in the beginning of july or end of june... i think i should get that in a 1 week are so.

Mandelboy
07-31-2015, 12:30 PM
You're in. But since you don't have Y-STRs yet - you aren't visible in the "classic" Results section.



His results are visible in the SNP section Z282+ Z283+ Z280- Z284- M458-
The Big Y results will be very interesting.

khanabadoshi
08-24-2015, 01:31 PM
His results are visible in the SNP section Z282+ Z283+ Z280- Z284- M458-
The Big Y results will be very interesting.


You might get lucky, mine only took 4 weeks.


Yes, exactly. At the moment, the cjs2015 coupon code is still working.


You're in. But since you don't have Y-STRs yet - you aren't visible in the "classic" Results section.



We are now receiving Y-STR markers from batch 620-622. There may be some exceptions but it would seem that such timeframe is expectable



Usual time for a Big Y results to arrive is 8 weeks after batching. But there are exceptions, as in other cases.

I got my results. Help. Me. S.O.S.


https://i.gyazo.com/ac2c0a8fe9dbe24abca508dd601527ea.png

Kaido
08-24-2015, 02:07 PM
I got my results. Help. Me. S.O.S.


https://i.gyazo.com/ac2c0a8fe9dbe24abca508dd601527ea.png

Yep pretty much, not enough Abduls have taken the test. You should upload your results to yfull and get added to the tree (looks like you may be the only south asian). http://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z282/

khanabadoshi
08-24-2015, 03:08 PM
Yep pretty much, not enough Abduls have taken the test. You should upload your results to yfull and get added to the tree (looks like you may be the only south asian). http://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z282/

That is exactly what I am doing right now. I am waiting for ftDNA to send me the BAM file. They said it may take 3-4 days to generate the file. Is it actually that long, or shall I expect it sooner?

Kaido
08-24-2015, 03:16 PM
That is exactly what I am doing right now. I am waiting for ftDNA to send me the BAM file. They said it may take 3-4 days to generate the file. Is it actually that long, or shall I expect it sooner?

Takes around 4 days yeah, and then the Yfull analysis takes around 4 weeks itself as well.

khanabadoshi
08-24-2015, 03:18 PM
Takes around 4 days yeah, and then the Yfull analysis takes around 4 weeks itself as well.

LOL... it never ends.

parasar
08-24-2015, 04:10 PM
I got my results. Help. Me. S.O.S.


https://i.gyazo.com/ac2c0a8fe9dbe24abca508dd601527ea.png

Are the folk with whom you are showing as having non-matching SNPs, Z283+?

khanabadoshi
08-24-2015, 04:42 PM
Are the folk with whom you are showing as having non-matching SNPs, Z283+?

I am a little "dumb" when it comes to these matters -- so I will just post the haplogroups of the matches and hope it answers what you are asking:

Name , Shared_Novel_Variants , Known_SNP_Difference , Non_Matching_Known_SNPs , Matching_SNPs
Bolded and Red are members of my "subclade" (7 total)

Carpenter , 92 , 1 , Z1722 , 25696
Hagen , 97 , 2 , CTS1278 F2261 , 25550
Hansen, 96 , 2 ,Z284 Z286 , 25595
Smyslov , 95 , 2 , CTS1278 Z280 , 25709
Lavryk , 93 , 2 , L464_2 Z280 , 25716
Starbuck , 91 , 2 , CTS1278 CTS9623 , 25734
Winsor , 90 , 2 , CTS1278 Z280 , 25701
Nilssen , 89 , 2 , Z284 Z286 , 24377
Lapsley , 100 , 3 , PF2988 Z284 Z286 , 25374
Baron , 99 , 3 , CTS1278 CTS9539 Z280 , 25732
Martin , 97 , 3 , F552 PF2988 Z280 , 25448
Raap , 96 , 3 , CTS1278 F552 Z280 , 25489
Julsrud , 96 , 3 , CTS1278 Z284 Z286 , 25726
Finnsen , 95 , 3 , CTS1278 Z284 Z286 , 25706
Joyce , 94 , 3 , F552 L18 Z280 , 25374
Garway-Heat , 94 , 3 , CTS1278 CTS9623 PF2988 , 25158
Feist , 92 , 3 , CTS1278 PF2988 Z282 , 25706
Miller ,92 , 3 , CTS1278 L691 Z280 , 25251
Nils Strand , 92 , 3 , L147.1 Z284 Z286 , 25703
Garrison , 92 , 3 , CTS1277 CTS5454 F4239 , 25612
Prokopowicz , 91 , 3 , CTS1278 PF2988 Z280 , 25685
Andersson , 90 , 3 , CTS1123 Z284 Z286 , 25668
Thobru , 118 , 4 , Z284 Z286 Z287 Z288 , 25438
Zyatkov , 102, 4 , PF2988 Z282 Z283 Z93 , 25074
Garrison , 102 , 4 , CTS11546 CTS1278 F4239 PF2988 , 25294
Harper , 101 , 4 , CTS1123 CTS1278 Z284 Z286 , 25719
Dowland II , 100 , 4 , Z284 Z286 Z287 Z288 , 25693
Jevanord , 100 , 4 , Z284 Z286 Z287 Z288, 25464
Baysari , 99 , 4 , CTS1211 CTS3607 Y34 Z280, 25689
Mason , 97 , 4 , CTS1278 Z282 Z283 Z93 , 25292
Reid , 97 , 4 , CTS1123 CTS1278 Z284 Z286 , 25620
Roos , 97 , 4 , CTS1123 CTS1278 Z284 Z286, 25314
Middaugh , 96 , 4 , CTS1123 CTS1278 Z284 Z286, 25605
Löfstrand , 96 , 4 , CTS1123 CTS1278 Z284 Z286, 25523
Räihä , 94 , 4 , CTS1278 F2437 Z284 Z286, 25730
Minnitte , 94 , 4 , CTS6498 Z282 Z283 Z93, 25699
Szumowski , 92 , 4 , CTS2999 PF4243 PF6161 PF7525 , 25724
Prater , 90 , 4 , CTS1211 CTS3607 Y34 Z280 , 25675

Mandelboy
08-24-2015, 04:57 PM
Can you please check your status on SNP called Y2395?. Probably FTDNA still list it in 'novel variants' list as 21194221.

khanabadoshi
08-24-2015, 05:01 PM
Can you please check your status on SNP called Y2395?. Probably FTDNA still list it in 'novel variants' list as 21194221.

Let me look into that....


It says "no matching records" for either.

https://i.gyazo.com/732fe46a66d26adc67e6a9d9b1c2dca5.png
https://i.gyazo.com/4532cbbf75bbe9d7c3cb9096da1d60b7.png

Mandelboy
08-24-2015, 05:45 PM
At least Carpenter and Hagen from your matchlist seems to be Y2395+.
Probably you have to look into your rawdata files to check for position 21194221.

khanabadoshi
08-24-2015, 06:08 PM
At least Carpenter and Hagen from your matchlist seems to be Y2395+.
Probably you have to look into your rawdata files to check for position 21194221.

I have the .vcf file and .bed file -- .BAM is being generated. If I just Ctrl+F and search, do you think I can find it?
----

Edit: I searched both files and neither Y2395 or 21194221 showed up.

What is the significance of being +/- in Y2395? Igymaka analyzed my BigY; I share nothing downstream with anyone else who is Z282+ and BigY tested. He sent me a list of my private mutations though, if that is informative?

Mandelboy
08-24-2015, 06:20 PM
You can search the vcf file with excel or so for 21194221.

khanabadoshi
08-24-2015, 06:33 PM
You can search the vcf file with excel or so for 21194221.

This is everything near 21194221:



#CHROM
POS
ID
REF
ALT
QUAL
FILTER
INFO
FORMAT







chrY
21186974
.
C
.
1484.13
PASS
.
GT
0


chrY
21187102
.
C
.
1484.13
PASS
.
GT
0


chrY
21187941
.
G
.
23.5705
PASS
.
GT
0


chrY
21188197
.
C
.
1484.13
PASS
.
GT
0


chrY
21188925
.
A
.
1484.13
PASS
.
GT
0


chrY
21189101
.
C
.
1484.13
PASS
.
GT
0


chrY
21190727
.
T
.
1484.13
PASS
.
GT
0


chrY
21191034
.
C
.
1484.13
PASS
.
GT
0


chrY
21192060
.
A
AG
1484.13
PASS
.
GT
1


chrY
21192819
.
A
.
1484.13
PASS
.
GT
0


chrY

21192906
.
T
.
1484.13
PASS
.
GT
0


chrY
21195106
.
C
.
1484.13
PASS
.
GT
0


chrY
21202683
.
C
.
16.5615
PASS
.
GT
0


chrY
21205260
.
A
.
1484.13
PASS
.
GT
0


chrY
21205339
.
G
.
1484.13
PASS
.
GT
0

Mandelboy
08-24-2015, 06:55 PM
Looks like your are Y2395-.
That the two Y2395+ guys show up so high in your matchlist, means that no other 'real' Z282* has so far taken a BigY test.
Maybe someone else has another idea what one can look for before your BAM file arrives.

parasar
08-24-2015, 09:44 PM
I am a little "dumb" when it comes to these matters -- so I will just post the haplogroups of the matches and hope it answers what you are asking:

Name , Shared_Novel_Variants , Known_SNP_Difference , Non_Matching_Known_SNPs , Matching_SNPs
Bolded and Red are members of my "subclade" (7 total)

Carpenter , 92 , 1 , Z1722 , 25696
Hagen , 97 , 2 , CTS1278 F2261 , 25550
Hansen, 96 , 2 ,Z284 Z286 , 25595
Smyslov , 95 , 2 , CTS1278 Z280 , 25709
Lavryk , 93 , 2 , L464_2 Z280 , 25716
Starbuck , 91 , 2 , CTS1278 CTS9623 , 25734
Winsor , 90 , 2 , CTS1278 Z280 , 25701
Nilssen , 89 , 2 , Z284 Z286 , 24377
Lapsley , 100 , 3 , PF2988 Z284 Z286 , 25374
Baron , 99 , 3 , CTS1278 CTS9539 Z280 , 25732
Martin , 97 , 3 , F552 PF2988 Z280 , 25448
Raap , 96 , 3 , CTS1278 F552 Z280 , 25489
Julsrud , 96 , 3 , CTS1278 Z284 Z286 , 25726
Finnsen , 95 , 3 , CTS1278 Z284 Z286 , 25706
Joyce , 94 , 3 , F552 L18 Z280 , 25374
Garway-Heat , 94 , 3 , CTS1278 CTS9623 PF2988 , 25158
Feist , 92 , 3 , CTS1278 PF2988 Z282 , 25706
Miller ,92 , 3 , CTS1278 L691 Z280 , 25251
Nils Strand , 92 , 3 , L147.1 Z284 Z286 , 25703
Garrison , 92 , 3 , CTS1277 CTS5454 F4239 , 25612
Prokopowicz , 91 , 3 , CTS1278 PF2988 Z280 , 25685
Andersson , 90 , 3 , CTS1123 Z284 Z286 , 25668
Thobru , 118 , 4 , Z284 Z286 Z287 Z288 , 25438
Zyatkov , 102, 4 , PF2988 Z282 Z283 Z93 , 25074
Garrison , 102 , 4 , CTS11546 CTS1278 F4239 PF2988 , 25294
Harper , 101 , 4 , CTS1123 CTS1278 Z284 Z286 , 25719
Dowland II , 100 , 4 , Z284 Z286 Z287 Z288 , 25693
Jevanord , 100 , 4 , Z284 Z286 Z287 Z288, 25464
Baysari , 99 , 4 , CTS1211 CTS3607 Y34 Z280, 25689
Mason , 97 , 4 , CTS1278 Z282 Z283 Z93 , 25292
Reid , 97 , 4 , CTS1123 CTS1278 Z284 Z286 , 25620
Roos , 97 , 4 , CTS1123 CTS1278 Z284 Z286, 25314
Middaugh , 96 , 4 , CTS1123 CTS1278 Z284 Z286, 25605
Löfstrand , 96 , 4 , CTS1123 CTS1278 Z284 Z286, 25523
Räihä , 94 , 4 , CTS1278 F2437 Z284 Z286, 25730
Minnitte , 94 , 4 , CTS6498 Z282 Z283 Z93, 25699
Szumowski , 92 , 4 , CTS2999 PF4243 PF6161 PF7525 , 25724
Prater , 90 , 4 , CTS1211 CTS3607 Y34 Z280 , 25675

Looks like you are Z283+ and Z282+ with no downstream shared SNP.
Once your STRs come in we have to compare with Afghan Z283 to see if perhaps you all are on a separate branch.

khanabadoshi
08-24-2015, 11:46 PM
Looks like you are Z283+ and Z282+ with no downstream shared SNP.
Once your STRs come in we have to compare with Afghan Z283 to see if perhaps you all are on a separate branch.

I like this -- I AM SCIENCE! B)

khanabadoshi
08-24-2015, 11:52 PM
Looks like your are Y2395-.
That the two Y2395+ guys show up so high in your matchlist, means that no other 'real' Z282* has so far taken a BigY test.
Maybe someone else has another idea what one can look for before your BAM file arrives.

R haplogroup Admins on FTDNA told me they will lobby strongly to have one of the few Arab, Turkish, or Kurdish R-Z282+ members do a BigY to gain some clarity.

In the mean time I am just waiting for the .BAM file and will submit it to Yfull. Once I get the results, I will post them here.

khanabadoshi
09-12-2015, 09:34 AM
Got my STR report from ftdna. Will post in a bit.

khanabadoshi
09-12-2015, 09:56 AM
Have at it. Y-STR 111 Results

https://i.gyazo.com/2fad319e72f6c68b124a42d149b3b036.png
https://i.gyazo.com/c7f5ce3055552f211b2996982c7062c6.png

khanabadoshi
09-12-2015, 10:09 AM
Matches:



Genetic Distance
Last Name
Most Distant Ancestor
Y-DNA Haplogroup
Terminal SNP


0
Solberg co. Inger Karin Haarbye
Anders Larsen b. ab. 1700 Kjųlstad, Modum, BUS
R-CTS8277
CTS8277


0
Rondem
Ronald Rutledge, b before 1963, British Indian
R-L657
L657


1
Al

R-M512



1
Taiminen
Leonhard Taiminen b.1871 Sääksmäki d.1939 Sääksmäk
R-Z283



1
Ficklin

R-M512



1
Castleman
Hans Dietrich Casselman, 13 November 1662, Kassel,
R-Z93
Z93


1
Henry
John Henry, 1816 - 1894
R-M512



1
Lovaas

R-M512



1
Salamon
Salamon, Csķkszenttamįs, Transylvania
R-M512



1
Anderson
Anders Chr Osmunds Haueland b1820 Kvinesdal, AGD
R-M198
M198


1
ياسين البلوي

R-Z93
Z93


1
O'Garr
James Bernard O'Garr
R-M512



1
Useinov

R-M512



1
FICKLING

R-M512



1
Higgins
Higgins
R-M198
M198


1
Cardow
Hans Cardow
R-M512



1
Kozhevnikov
Leontiy Saraev son Gorodnikov, ~1570, Oskol
R-Z283



2
Smith
need earliest known ancestor info
R-M512



2
Morbeck
Torgeir Osmundson Vaardal b c1720 Grindheim, V-AGD
R-Z283



2
Waglowski
Jan Wągl (b. ca 1600)
R-Z282
Z282


2

Svan
R-M512



2
Sapelin A.
Trofim Semenov son Tsepelin(Zepelin) b.ab.1570
R-Z283



2


R-L657
L657


2
Beard
Andrew-1 Beard (1670-1717/18) of Billerica, MA
R-M512



2
Caballero
Basilio Caballero, 1895 - 1945
R-M512



2
SOISSONS

R-Z283



2
Vladimirovich

R-M512



2
Landenok

R-M512



2
McMahon

R-M512



2
Stuart
Archibald Stuart, b.1697 Ireland d. 1759 Virginia
R-M512



2
Olafsen
Jorgen Olafsen 1897-1990 Sandefjord, VFO
R-Z283
L448


2
Chertkov
Chertkov, yDNA: R1a1-YP310+
R-M512



2
Perkins
James Washington Perkins b 1836 d1915
R-M512



2
Perkins
James Washington Perkins b 1836 d1915
R-M512



2
Yashchuk
Ivan Tsapok, 1817
R-Z283



2
Luntinen
Anders Ryttare, b. 1631 and d. 1714
R-Z284
Z284


2
Croasdale
William Richard Croasdale, born 1851, Rochdale, La
R-M512



2
Hansen

R-M512



2
Andreev
Ivan Andreev
R-Z283



2
Labatut
Jean-Baptiste Labatut b.1752 France d. 1839 N.O. L
R-M512



2
Banks

R-M512



2
Sovell

R-M512



2
Larichev

R-Z283



2
Woyen
Name, Years, Place? NOR?
R-Z283



2
Aeschbacher

R-M512



2
Jeffery

R-M198
M198


2
Corbett
Patrick Curribin ca 1810-1870 Cornamona, Ireland
R-M512



2
Chausovsky
Ruvim Himelstein, Ukraine???
R-M512



2
Irvine
Samuel Irvine, 1789, Limavady, County Londonderry
R-M512



2
Dougherty
John Dougherty bc April 1831, Northern Ireland
R-M512



2
Brooks
William E Brooks b.1875 d.1915
R-M512



2
Steinacher
Frederick Steinacker,Willofs, Schlitz, Germany
R-M512



2
Kiddoo

R-M512



2
Oaks
Frank Albert Oaks, 1895-1968
R-Z283



2
Chertkov
Protasievich
R-Y2910
Y2910


2
Czopor (Sliwinski)
Franciszek Czopor
R-Z283



2
Beard

R-M417
M417


2
Sillett
William Sillet b1789 Bergh Apton, Norfolk,England
R-M198
M198


2
Wahrman (Venesjarvi)
Jacob Wahrman, b. 1727 and d. 1789
R-Z283



2
Kusmiak

R-M512



2
Banks
Elisha Fowler Banks, b. abt 1760 [of SC]
R-M512



2
Perkins
James Washington Perkins b. 1836 Lee Co, GA, d.TX
R-M512



2
Banks
Charles Banks, 1700s Edgefield Co. SC
R-M417
M417


2
Tryggvason
Magnśs Žóršarson, b 1667.
R-M512



2
Kyriakou

R-M512



2
Marshall
Robert Marshall, b. ca.1750, Lanarkshire, Scotland
R-SRY10831
SRY10831


2
Nysęther
Erik Thoresen 1744-1834 Ringebu, OPL
R-YP355
YP355


2
Sandin

R-M512



2
Damodaran
AK Damodaran Nambiar, Payyannur, Kerala, India
R-M512



2
Mallikarjuna
Mallaiah - ?- 1860
R-M512



2
Hartzell

R-Z283



2
Monroe

R-M512



2
Jordan

R-M512



2
Marshall
Thomas Marshall, 1798, Scotland
R-M512



2
Glass
George Glass, b: 1810 d: 1890
R-M417
M417


2
FALLAH

R-M512



2
Ferguson
Ferguson
R-CTS4179
CTS4179


2
Polishchuk
Jarema Polishchuk , b. 1737
R-Z283



2
Krause-Pflughaupt
Jochim Krause, b. 1661, Seedorf, Westprignitz,
R-Z94
Z94


2
Bordunov
Isay Bordunov,b.1630
R-CTS3402
CTS3402


2


R-M417
M417


2
Sawyer

R-M512



2
bondi
francisco bondi 1874-1955
R-M512



2
Krause
Gerth Krause; b1700-1740, d 1765-1840
R-M512



2
Tose

R-M512



2
Nielsen

R-M512



2
Henry

R-M512



2
Besch

R-M512



2
C/o Kerstin Ekström
Jöns (Jens) Olsen Lunde b. ca1570 d. after 1636
R-M512



2
Derrick
John Derrick b. 1783, d. 1838
R-M512



2
Kniffen
George Knifton b.1633 and d. 1695
R-M512



2
Treat
William Treat, b 1850, d ca 1890
R-M512



2
Penn

R-M512



2
Brooks
William E Brooks b.1875 [AL] and d. 1915 [LA]
R-M512



2
Kat
Katsaras
R-Z93
Z93


2
Hartsell

R-M512



2
Sievers
Lars Larsson 1645-1713 Färgelanda
R-Z284
Z284


2
Hartsell

R-M512



2
Hartzell

R-M512



2
Hartzell

R-M512



2
Eske
Friedrich Eske
R-M512



2
Miajlovic

R-Z280
Z280



EDIT: I believe surname in Arabic is, Al-Balwi.

khanabadoshi
09-12-2015, 10:18 AM
Ancestral Origins:

https://i.gyazo.com/f891f42c8463df330cb405b2bb401094.png
https://i.gyazo.com/6f82a21256844e6514b18806cdf959c9.png
https://i.gyazo.com/4c227acc6073a13b095ac47bc34aa742.png
https://i.gyazo.com/a28c36deb3856c7bc9c48a9e95692e17.png

I don't think there is anything else worth posting? Let me know if so.

MfA
09-12-2015, 10:18 AM
looks different than west asian variant
/captain_obvious

khanabadoshi
09-12-2015, 10:27 AM
looks different than west asian variant
/captain_obvious

I LOLed. Woke up my housemate.
I'm sure the R enthusiasts will figure something out. Besides Y-Full results, nothing left to wait for.

Palisto
09-12-2015, 01:27 PM
Your best STR111 match is M7258 (Al-Akhtar, R-Z283) from this cluster:

3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A1 Arab subcluster (Big Y needed)

90 out of 111 STRs = 81%

lgmayka
09-12-2015, 02:48 PM
Your best STR111 match is M7258 (Al-Akhtar, R-Z283) from this cluster:

3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A1 Arab subcluster (Big Y needed)

90 out of 111 STRs = 81%
In FTDNA's terms, a genetic distance of 23 on 111 markers. Within the R1a Project, the second-closest is at a GD of 27.

khanabadoshi
09-12-2015, 09:10 PM
Your best STR111 match is M7258 (Al-Akhtar, R-Z283) from this cluster:

3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A1 Arab subcluster (Big Y needed)

90 out of 111 STRs = 81%

Any idea where Al-Akhtar is from? I saw his kit on the results sheet, but there was no name associated with it.


In FTDNA's terms, a genetic distance of 23 on 111 markers. Within the R1a Project, the second-closest is at a GD of 27.


Thanks Igmayka for all your help! I posted my results on ysearch, let's see what pops up. Any idea why ftdna doesnt have any results for me on family finder or my origins? Both are totally blank.
23 GD is close or far?

paulgill
09-12-2015, 09:58 PM
Any idea where Al-Akhtar is from? I saw his kit on the results sheet, but there was no name associated with it.




Thanks Igmayka for all your help! I posted my results on ysearch, let's see what pops up. Any idea why ftdna doesnt have any results for me on family finder or my origins? Both are totally blank.
23 GD is close or far?


Don't depend on STRs, SNPs rule. I have 67 STRs done and many with less GD are not in my subclad, while some with greater GD than them are in the same subclad.

lgmayka
09-12-2015, 09:59 PM
Any idea why ftdna doesnt have any results for me on family finder or my origins? Both are totally blank.
I see that you did not directly order Family Finder, but rather an Autosomal Transfer. Did you attempt to transfer raw data from Ancestry.com? Did that transfer appear to succeed? If so, we can ask the FTDNA project liaison to look into the matter.


23 GD is close or far?
TMRCA is probably at least a couple thousand years ago. Ideally, of course, he would order the Big Y.

khanabadoshi
09-12-2015, 10:05 PM
Don't depend on STRs, SNPs rule. I have 67 STRs done and many with less GD are not in my subclad, while some with greater GD than them are in the same subclad.


I see that you did not directly order Family Finder, but rather an Autosomal Transfer. Did you attempt to transfer raw data from Ancestry.com? Did that transfer appear to succeed? If so, we can ask the FTDNA project liaison to look into the matter.

TMRCA is probably at least a couple thousand years ago. Ideally, of course, he would order the Big Y.


It won't let me order family finder, it says I already have it. I thought with STR results they would show something? I transferred my data to FTDNA from Geno 2.0; whatever came with that initially is what I started with.

So GD = 0 on STR means these people are "closer" to me? Or does amount of STR/SNP matches matter more than GD?


For the heck of it, I looked up the 3 people with the same surname as I on Ysearch:

STR Comparison
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5896&stc=1
Genetic Distance
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5897&stc=1

khanabadoshi
09-13-2015, 12:44 AM
.

This man is my maternal grandfather's brother. As we marry between cousins, his father is also my paternal grandfather's brother. We should have the same y-DNA haplogroup. We don't. He is also on FTDNA.
I just found him randomly while scrolling through advanced matches.

He is also the "least mixed" of my family members. Should any admin be able to access his autosomal data... he is the answer to my "what is my 50%?" question.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5900&stc=1

lgmayka
09-13-2015, 03:32 AM
It won't let me order family finder, it says I already have it. I thought with STR results they would show something? I transferred my data to FTDNA from Geno 2.0; whatever came with that initially is what I started with.
I think I understand what happened.

You believed that you could transfer autosomal data from Geno 2.0. Unfortunately, you cannot--the regular Geno 2.0 does not have nearly enough coverage for Family Finder's purposes. (A transfer from the regular Geno 2.0 includes only Y-SNPs, Y-DNA haplogroup, and mtDNA haplogroup.)

But because you attempted such a transfer, and even (apparently) paid the $39 for it, your account is still waiting for data--e.g., a transfer from AncestryDNA. To remedy this, you need to call FTDNA (1.713.868.1438) to undo the unsuccessful autosomal transfer, and instead apply the money you paid toward Family Finder. Since Family Finder is $99 rather than $39, you will have to pay the $60 difference by credit card.

Unfortunately, I don't know of any active discount coupons right now.

lgmayka
09-13-2015, 03:38 AM
We should have the same y-DNA haplogroup. We don't. He is also on FTDNA.
I just found him randomly while scrolling through advanced matches.

He is also the "least mixed" of my family members. Should any admin be able to access his autosomal data... he is the answer to my "what is my 50%?" question.
He has only 12 markers, but they match yours exactly. His R-M512 classification is simply a very general R1a1a haplogroup--he has not ordered any SNP tests. His classification is therefore compatible with yours.

He has no Family Finder results. You might want to send him an email suggesting that he order it. As you say, his results would enlighten your own situation as well.

khanabadoshi
09-13-2015, 07:00 AM
He has only 12 markers, but they match yours exactly. His R-M512 classification is simply a very general R1a1a haplogroup--he has not ordered any SNP tests. His classification is therefore compatible with yours.

He has no Family Finder results. You might want to send him an email suggesting that he order it. As you say, his results would enlighten your own situation as well.

Is his classification as such because he might have done the test a while back? Because even at the bare minimum Geno, FTdna, and 23andme always said R1a1a* or R-Z282 for me. I would think FTdna would have updated his haplogroup as they did with me, when they got new information (at that time all I had done was Geno 2.0, I believe my relative did the first Geno). M417 at least? I've been meaning to contact him, he is the "genealogist" of the family with the big black book of all the names -- but I've been lazy. I'll give him a ring tomorrow and get some information. I'm really interested in his mtDNA as it maybe the "in-tribe". As always, I'll keep you updated.

PS. Do your circles have knowledge in mtDNA as well? As my mtDNA is also peculiar. I know it's a slim chance, as many people don't have much interest in mtDNA.

Again thank you for your patience and taking the time to reply to all my squawking!

khanabadoshi
09-13-2015, 07:14 AM
I think I understand what happened.

You believed that you could transfer autosomal data from Geno 2.0. Unfortunately, you cannot--the regular Geno 2.0 does not have nearly enough coverage for Family Finder's purposes. (A transfer from the regular Geno 2.0 includes only Y-SNPs, Y-DNA haplogroup, and mtDNA haplogroup.)

But because you attempted such a transfer, and even (apparently) paid the $39 for it, your account is still waiting for data--e.g., a transfer from AncestryDNA. To remedy this, you need to call FTDNA (1.713.868.1438) to undo the unsuccessful autosomal transfer, and instead apply the money you paid toward Family Finder. Since Family Finder is $99 rather than $39, you will have to pay the $60 difference by credit card.

Unfortunately, I don't know of any active discount coupons right now.


So what happened was I clicked Family Finder and it said I needed to "Upgrade", so I clicked the link, and eventually ordered the yDNA-111 after our first correspondence. It added the autosomal transfer for $0.00 to it (I never ordered it), and said Family Finder is included. Basically, I bought a regular y-DNA test which includes Family Finder. However, since they didnt send me a kit, I assumed that my Geno 2.0 info was all they needed, they never asked for anything more. I thought they would send me a kit if they needed more. In fact they should have. If I never transferred my data, that's what would have happened, correct? As such I thought when STR analysis is done, my Family Finder would work. I sent FTDNA an e-mail yesterday asking what's up, they didn't reply yet. I'll call tomorrow as you suggested.

Palisto
09-13-2015, 09:15 AM
In FTDNA's terms, a genetic distance of 23 on 111 markers. Within the R1a Project, the second-closest is at a GD of 27.

Here is my personal ranking for him:


111 34% UNK--M7258 Unknown Origin 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A1 Arab subcluster (Big Y needed)
111 57% TUR-223757 Turkey Oskian Kaspar, Sepastia, Turkey 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A West Asian cluster (Big Y needed)
111 59% ENG-199628 England Edward Benbrook 1753-1854 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283*-A (Big Y needed)
111 63% ENG--18130 England ~1586 Robert Heath, Eccleshall, Staffordshire 3__B2^__Z282plus_Western_Eurasian_branch__cluster_ B2__Central-Western_European_
111 66% ARE--M7832 United Arab Emirates 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A West Asian cluster (Big Y needed)
111 72% DEU-360638 Germany 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283*-B (another Big Y needed)
111 73% DEU-N49600 Germany Michael Feist, Diersburg, Germany; b. 1775 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283*-B (another Big Y needed)
111 76% UNK-293167 Unknown Origin 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283*-B (another Big Y needed)
67 44% UKR-187138 Ukraine Alojzy Jaklinski, b. 18 April 1917,Galicia,Ukraine 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A West Asian cluster (Big Y needed)
67 46% ITA-178708 Italy Michele Barbera, Italy b. 1881 3.M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283(?)>Z282(?)-z (Z282 SNP test needed)
67 48% TUR-182305 Turkey Setrak Avdoyan (né Yeranossian), ?-1968 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A West Asian cluster (Big Y needed)
67 49% KWT-201431 Kuwait 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A West Asian cluster (Big Y needed)
67 50% UNK-242617 Unknown Origin Charles Henry Morin, b.1859 and d. 1933 3.M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283(?)>Z282(?)-z (Z282 SNP test needed)
67 54% UNK-231554 Unknown Origin 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A1 Arab subcluster (Big Y needed)
67 55% UNK-348623 Unknown Origin 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A1 Arab subcluster (Big Y needed)
67 58% ENG-N50360 England William Bambrook, b1756, Pitsford, Northampton 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283*-A (Big Y needed)
67 58% UNK-232376 Unknown Origin 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A1 Arab subcluster (Big Y needed)
67 63% TUR-214352 Turkey R1a1a 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A West Asian cluster (Big Y needed)
67 74% RUS-324856 Russian Federation 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282*-x (PF6155, 111 STRs or Big Y needed)
67 79% DEU-226541 Germany Michael Feist, b. 1775 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283*-B (another Big Y needed)
37 42% ENG-308695 England 3.M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-y (Z280 and/or 67 STRs, PF6155, Y2395, CTS3462 SNP test needed)
37 47% UNK-335030 Unknown Origin 3.M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-y (Z280 and/or 67 STRs, PF6155, Y2395, CTS3462 SNP test needed)

khanabadoshi
09-13-2015, 10:48 AM
Here is my personal ranking for him:


111 34% UNK--M7258 Unknown Origin 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A1 Arab subcluster (Big Y needed)
111 57% TUR-223757 Turkey Oskian Kaspar, Sepastia, Turkey 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A West Asian cluster (Big Y needed)
111 59% ENG-199628 England Edward Benbrook 1753-1854 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283*-A (Big Y needed)
111 63% ENG--18130 England ~1586 Robert Heath, Eccleshall, Staffordshire 3__B2^__Z282plus_Western_Eurasian_branch__cluster_ B2__Central-Western_European_
111 66% ARE--M7832 United Arab Emirates 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A West Asian cluster (Big Y needed)
111 72% DEU-360638 Germany 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283*-B (another Big Y needed)
111 73% DEU-N49600 Germany Michael Feist, Diersburg, Germany; b. 1775 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283*-B (another Big Y needed)
111 76% UNK-293167 Unknown Origin 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283*-B (another Big Y needed)
67 44% UKR-187138 Ukraine Alojzy Jaklinski, b. 18 April 1917,Galicia,Ukraine 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A West Asian cluster (Big Y needed)
67 46% ITA-178708 Italy Michele Barbera, Italy b. 1881 3.M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283(?)>Z282(?)-z (Z282 SNP test needed)
67 48% TUR-182305 Turkey Setrak Avdoyan (né Yeranossian), ?-1968 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A West Asian cluster (Big Y needed)
67 49% KWT-201431 Kuwait 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A West Asian cluster (Big Y needed)
67 50% UNK-242617 Unknown Origin Charles Henry Morin, b.1859 and d. 1933 3.M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283(?)>Z282(?)-z (Z282 SNP test needed)
67 54% UNK-231554 Unknown Origin 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A1 Arab subcluster (Big Y needed)
67 55% UNK-348623 Unknown Origin 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A1 Arab subcluster (Big Y needed)
67 58% ENG-N50360 England William Bambrook, b1756, Pitsford, Northampton 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283*-A (Big Y needed)
67 58% UNK-232376 Unknown Origin 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A1 Arab subcluster (Big Y needed)
67 63% TUR-214352 Turkey R1a1a 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A West Asian cluster (Big Y needed)
67 74% RUS-324856 Russian Federation 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282*-x (PF6155, 111 STRs or Big Y needed)
67 79% DEU-226541 Germany Michael Feist, b. 1775 3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283*-B (another Big Y needed)
37 42% ENG-308695 England 3.M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-y (Z280 and/or 67 STRs, PF6155, Y2395, CTS3462 SNP test needed)
37 47% UNK-335030 Unknown Origin 3.M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-y (Z280 and/or 67 STRs, PF6155, Y2395, CTS3462 SNP test needed)

Apologies, I am not as well-versed in the fields of genetics and genealogy as, perhaps, you are. If it isn't cumbersome, could you explain the relevance of your list as it applies to myself? I am especially cautious to draw conclusions as there are no headings for the columns.

parasar
09-14-2015, 07:11 PM
Is his classification as such because he might have done the test a while back? Because even at the bare minimum Geno, FTdna, and 23andme always said R1a1a* or R-Z282 for me. I would think FTdna would have updated his haplogroup as they did with me, when they got new information (at that time all I had done was Geno 2.0, I believe my relative did the first Geno). M417 at least? I've been meaning to contact him, he is the "genealogist" of the family with the big black book of all the names -- but I've been lazy. I'll give him a ring tomorrow and get some information. I'm really interested in his mtDNA as it maybe the "in-tribe". As always, I'll keep you updated.

PS. Do your circles have knowledge in mtDNA as well? As my mtDNA is also peculiar. I know it's a slim chance, as many people don't have much interest in mtDNA.

Again thank you for your patience and taking the time to reply to all my squawking!

FTDNA just lists him as M512 as a broad classification. I'm almost certain that with 12/12 STR match with you, both of you are near identical Z283/Z282s.
I also think the two Dashti Kuwaitis are distantly related and that they are not of remote Arabian origin, but from Iran/Balochistan/Sindh.

Edit: 164862 is indeed from Iran, but is very distant (~5000years) as he is Z2124.

MfA
09-14-2015, 07:50 PM
Compared to Underhill et al 2014 samples

http://abload.de/img/z282ipon0.png

khanabadoshi
10-03-2015, 12:26 AM
Got my YFull results, not sure what exactly to post... so I'll just start copy/pasting.

https://i.gyazo.com/1aa8f3dec2520d5a18fcbe13bd20b4d5.gif

khanabadoshi
10-03-2015, 12:44 AM
https://i.gyazo.com/0f10f111039e52d32a6036feb5abf8c2.pnghttps://i.gyazo.com/46a38ffae5aaa1fd69f70c2f3658f94e.pnghttps://i.gyazo.com/c13e239e1e4c3b5a28a4379b50c901eb.pnghttps://i.gyazo.com/842a1c57750756bcef580275f1a5b0bf.pnghttps://i.gyazo.com/c8902144f6271f9048a03f422b417314.png

It's so long; don't think you need the rest? Or if you want me to look something up, I'll look it up and post it.

lgmayka
10-03-2015, 10:03 AM
Notice that Y17491 is shown in red as new. This suggests that YFull has found a SNP that you share with the other R-Z282* (http://yfull.com/tree/R-Z282*/) , who is Polish. Apparently, you two will form a new subclade!

parasar
10-03-2015, 03:48 PM
Notice that Y17491 is shown in red as new. This suggests that YFull has found a SNP that you share with the other R-Z282* (http://yfull.com/tree/R-Z282*/) , who is Polish. Apparently, you two will form a new subclade!

Is the Polish sample Y17491 too? The SNP is not showing up in the search function.

khanabadoshi
10-03-2015, 04:47 PM
Is the Polish sample Y17491 too? The SNP is not showing up in the search function.

I, myself am confused how to "identify" id:YF04246. Do I have to search for them within the Groups? Right now the id is grayed-out and hovering over it with the mouse reveals the message "analysis in progress...".
It seems the SNP isn't showing up yet. On the yFull tree, I am still Z282*; nothing else is indicated.

parasar
10-03-2015, 05:11 PM
I, myself am confused how to "identify" id:YF04246. Do I have to search for them within the Groups? Right now the id is grayed-out and hovering over it with the mouse reveals the message "analysis in progress...".
It seems the SNP isn't showing up yet. On the yFull tree, I am still Z282*; nothing else is indicated.

Apparently Y17491 is a G to A mutation at 18204203 identified in your results by YFull.
How many good quality private SNPs do you have?

lgmayka
10-03-2015, 06:12 PM
Is the Polish sample Y17491 too?
Apparently. I helped him (kit 132838) submit his BAM file on September 16, so he is probably YF04246. Your new Y17491 is apparently the one SNP you have in common.

One of the R1a Project administrators--I don't know which--has already renamed most of the Z282* categories to Y17491. That administrator probably has more up-to-date information than I do.

The SNP is not showing up in the search function.
It isn't on the public tree yet. But if you have a YFull account yourself, you can "Check SNP" to get information about it.

lgmayka
10-03-2015, 06:14 PM
Right now the id is grayed-out and hovering over it with the mouse reveals the message "analysis in progress...".
Apparently, his YFull analysis is not yet complete.


It seems the SNP isn't showing up yet. On the yFull tree, I am still Z282*; nothing else is indicated.
The next version of YFull's haplotree should show any changes that were made necessary by your and his entries.

lgmayka
10-03-2015, 06:15 PM
Got my YFull results, not sure what exactly to post... so I'll just start copy/pasting.
Can you go to your "Novel SNPs" tab, and tell us how many "Best qual" and how many "Acceptable qual" novel SNPs you have?

khanabadoshi
10-04-2015, 12:18 AM
Can you go to your "Novel SNPs" tab, and tell us how many "Best qual" and how many "Acceptable qual" novel SNPs you have?

On it!

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6152&stc=1
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6153&stc=1
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6154&stc=1

khanabadoshi
10-05-2015, 12:39 AM
Private SNPs


Private SNPs (all):
54


Best qual:
26 (48.15%) [18 (33.33%) - best; 8 (14.81%) - acceptable]


INDELs:
0


Ambiguous qual:
28 (51.85%)


One read!:
0


Low qual:
0












Known SNPs


SNPs (all)
76327


Positive
1989 (2.61%)


Negative:
57038 (74.73%)


Ambiguous:
202 (0.26%)


No call:
17098 (22.40%)

lgmayka
10-15-2015, 11:54 PM
R-Y17491 (http://yfull.com/tree/R-Y17491/), a subclade of R-Z282, is now on YFull's official haplotree.

khanabadoshi
10-16-2015, 09:41 PM
R-Y17491 (http://yfull.com/tree/R-Y17491/), a subclade of R-Z282, is now on YFull's official haplotree.

Thank you very much Igmayka! I looked it up, what does the "age" mean? My subclade fellow is around ~6000 and I ~3000, what is the significance of this?

lgmayka
10-17-2015, 09:00 AM
I looked it up, what does the "age" mean? My subclade fellow is around ~6000 and I ~3000, what is the significance of this?
That is an estimate based on the number of reliable unshared SNPs. He was somewhat lucky and got a large number of such SNPs, you got a smaller number. "Luck of the draw." YFull averages such results to produce a TMRCA estimate--in your case, 5000 years.

khanabadoshi
11-01-2015, 05:41 AM
Y-Full STR Data. No close matches. Again, for all interested here is everything:

https://i.gyazo.com/a51b1278d53b8d2f5b45adcd931a4b42.png

https://i.gyazo.com/0c0b82bd22436afd95d41f3da22ae9d5.png

alhan
10-04-2017, 12:15 PM
I know it was almost two years ago, but it was very helpfull to see how Y17491 came into our lives.

I've just found this page by googling, and it turns out that khanabadoshi and myself are pretty close according to my newly resulted BigY data. Who knew?