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lgmayka
11-29-2012, 02:37 AM
The Z2122 SNP test is now available for order. According to this proposed phylogeny (http://www.semargl.me/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Z93.png), it may embrace some or all of European L342.2+ , including the Ashkenazi Levite clade.

lgmayka
12-14-2012, 12:13 AM
Kit 114167, in the Ashkenazi Levite clade, has tested Z2122+ .

AJL
12-14-2012, 01:03 AM
We have a few guys who are outside but closest to the Ashkenazi cluster testing this. It should be interesting to see how L342 will split between L657 on the one hand and between Z2122/Z2123 on the other.

lgmayka
12-18-2012, 04:26 PM
Kit N30333 of Ukraine has tested Z2122+ . He does not belong to the Ashkenazi Levite cluster.

napobo3
12-23-2012, 07:51 AM
See http://bit.ly/L_342

lgmayka
02-03-2013, 01:06 AM
Kit 84103 of Poland has tested Z2122+ (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/polish/default.aspx?section=ysnp) . He does not belong to the Ashkenazi Levite cluster.

Mamluk
02-03-2013, 02:28 AM
^Looks like from southeast Poland, from a Szlachta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szlachta) family.

AJL
02-03-2013, 06:36 PM
^Looks like from southeast Poland, from a Szlachta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szlachta) family.

Perhaps there was something to the Sarmatist movement in the Polish nobility after all!

Mamluk
02-04-2013, 12:57 AM
Perhaps there was something to the Sarmatist movement in the Polish nobility after all!

I did notice that!!

I'm very anxious to see who will test positive for Z2122 (and where their ancestors are from), and the downstream SNPs too.

Mamluk
02-09-2013, 01:15 PM
(moved from a different thread about Assyrian Y-DNA)

The region around Transcaucasia[close to Assyrian lands] has R1b-Z2105 and R1a-Z2122[L342+L657-], as does the area inhabited by ancient Iranian tribes, like Pakistan. It would be logical to make a connection with proto-Indo-Iranians.


I am not familiar with R1b-2105. Why link R1b-2105 with R1a-Z2122?
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I will point out that so far R1a-Z2122 has not been found in Pakistan, and it it has not been found in the trans-Caucasus. There is a Karachay Russian that will be tested for Z2122, and if he is positive for Z2122, keep in mind that you have the Caucasus mountain range--a major geographic barrier--separating Karachays and Circassians from Armenians and Kurds.

Karachays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karachays) and Circassians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adyghe_people), as we know them in the modern context, have had more interaction with each other and their steppe neighbors, than with people south of the Caucasus.

As a general rule, geographic proximity on a map is not as important as real topography when discussing human migrations.

Humanist
12-19-2013, 06:58 PM
I was wondering if the Assyrian Yonan (42050) is a candidate for Z2122? He is derived for Z93, but has not tested Z94.

If I recall correctly, based on Marko's trees from a while back, his nearest matches were a Lithuanian and Kurd from 2000-3000 years ago.

AJL
12-19-2013, 07:16 PM
I was wondering if the Assyrian Yonan (42050) is a candidate for Z2122? He is derived for Z93, but has not tested Z94.

If I recall correctly, based on Marko's trees from a while back, his nearest matches were a Lithuanian and Kurd from 2000-3000 years ago.

Yonan might be Z2124* (Z21214 is the father to Z2122 and Z2123). Z2124* exists in one family of Lithuanian Tatars, who are neither Z2122 nor Z2123. There are some Z2123 Bashkirs, though, and with a couple of non-Ashkenazi Z2122 in Turkey, it is possible some Assyrians will be Z2122 too. If you pay for Z2124 and he is positive, I will pay for Z2122. :)

Humanist
12-19-2013, 07:20 PM
Yonan might be Z2124* (Z21214 is the father to Z2122 and Z2123). Z2124* exists in one family of Lithuanian Tatars, who are neither Z2122 nor Z2123. There are some Z2123 Bashkirs, though, and with a couple of non-Ashkenazi Z2122 in Turkey, it is possible some Assyrians will be Z2122 too. If you pay for Z2124 and he is positive, I will pay for Z2122. :)

This is the sample of the husband of the original admin. I will send her a message. :)

We already have one Z2122 Assyrian, though, right? From Rootsi et al.?


The upper bound for the age of the M582 clade was estimated as the divergence time of the two Ashkenazi M582 lineages and the Assyrian R1a-Z2122(xM582) sequence, yielding an estimate of 4,000 (SE 300) years.

Information on Yonan's location, Tkhuma, Turkey:

Please see where I have marked with the red line.

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/Faces/txuma.png

Compare with this word from the Assyrian dialect of Akkadian:

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/Faces/tahumu.jpg

AJL
12-19-2013, 07:43 PM
Yes true, so a second Z2122 would not be odd either.