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GailT
11-29-2012, 05:51 AM
They tested HVR1 for one sample dating to about 10,000 ybp and found it to be HV1.

Origin and Diet of the Prehistoric Hunter-Gatherers on the Mediterranean Island of Favignana (Ègadi Islands, Sicily) (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0049802#pone.0 049802.s001)

Rathna
11-29-2012, 06:29 AM
Thanks, Gail, for posting this. I support from many years, practically against everyone, that R0a, HV1a'b'c, etc ., are from Italy. This is my theory of the Italian Refugium.

Rathna in Indian does mean Gioiello

Rathna
11-29-2012, 09:51 AM
This pearl from the paper: “The HV-1 haplogroup, which belongs to the HV-family, is absent in most of Europe and India and it seems to have an epicentre of frequency and diversity in the Trans-Caucasus area. This suggests that the ancestors of the hunter-gatherers of Favignana might ultimately have originated from the Near East and Caucasus region” (p. 6).
Evidently in Italian University the pupils of Cavalli Sforza and Barbujani are numerous.
Of course Hg. HV1 is overwhelmingly Italian (and European). These haplotypes on Ian Logan spreadsheet, but the same from SMGF and Mitosearch:

HV1 8014T 15218 16067
21. AY738943(Italy) Achilli HV1 13-APR-2007 A263G 309.1C 315.1C A1438G A2706G A4769G C7028T A7569G A8014T T8376C A8860G G9755A A13535G A15218G A15326G C16067T T16519C
22. EF660936(Italy) Gasparre HV1 04-JUL-2007 A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G T3906C A4769G T5483C T6956C C7028T A8014T A8860G T9018C G15140A A15218G A15326G A15805G C16067T G16129A C16242T
23. JF320654(Armenian) FTDNA HV1 05-MAR-2011 A263G 315.1C 523.1C 523.2A A750G A1438G A2706G A4766G A4769G C7028T A8014T A8860G G9548A A15326G C16067T

HV1a 8277
24. JF316743(Armenian) FTDNA HV1a 05-MAR-2011 A93G A263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C A508G A750G A1438G A2706G G4596A A4769G C7028T A8014T T8277C 8278.1C 8278.2C A8860G A15218G A15326G C16067T T16249C

HV1b 12696
34. AY738942(Italy) Achilli HV1b 13-APR-2007 C150T A263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G T3290C A4769G A5134G C6263T C7028T A8014T A8860G C9585T T12696C A15218G A15326G C16067T
35. EF657609 mtDNA44(Europe) Herrnstadt HV1b 14-JUL-2007 A750G A1438G A2706G A3547G A4769G G6023A C7028T A8014T A8860G T12696C A15218G A15326G
36. EF657676 mtDNA50(Europe) Herrnstadt HV1b 14-JUL-2007 A750G A1438G A2706G A3547G A4769G G6023A C7028T A8014T A8860G T12696C A15218G A15326G

Jean M
11-29-2012, 10:12 PM
16067T also appears in U5b3d. U5b3 appears to have radiated from the Italian peninsula. My bet is on that therefore. Given that the sample was degraded, they may not have been able to get full resolution even within HVR-1.

GailT
11-30-2012, 01:43 AM
16067T also appears in U5b3d. U5b3 appears to have radiated from the Italian peninsula. My bet is on that therefore. Given that the sample was degraded, they may not have been able to get full resolution even within HVR-1.

We only have two samples of U5b3d, both from Pala et al., one from southern Spain and one from Iraq. They also both share these HVR1 mutations: 16192, 16270, 16304, and 16311. It might seem unlikely to catch 16067 and miss all the others, but to remove any doubt, they really should test the coding region as well. That would show if their results are reliable and would be much, much more useful for population genetics. If people are only going to test HVR1, I wish they would just skip it and not waste the sample. We've had quite a few ancient mtDNA results recently where the HVR1 results raise more questions than they answer, and some where the researchers appear to be unfamiliar with Phylotree and misidentify the subclade.

Jean M
11-30-2012, 03:49 AM
I share your feelings Gail.