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jeanL
08-11-2015, 12:34 AM
I was taking a look throughout Eupedia's table, and I have seen also plenty of studies, and something that caught my attention is the complete absence of haplogroup R1a in Basque, where singletons such as J1, T and even Q have popped up, yet not a single R1a has ever been sampled. On the other hand we see the Cantabrians having a peak in R1a, with 8.5% for the whole regions but up to ~40% in the Pasiegos area. It seems R1a is found at fairly low frequencies throughout Iberia. So could it be that it is a byproduct of the Germanic invasions to Spain, if so, this would suggest nearly zero impact of the Visigoth on the Basque population, yet we do find I1 in Basque though at incredibly low frequencies, and it has popped up only once.

paulgill
08-11-2015, 01:28 AM
I was taking a look throughout Eupedia's table, and I have seen also plenty of studies, and something that caught my attention is the complete absence of haplogroup R1a in Basque, where singletons such as J1, T and even Q have popped up, yet not a single R1a has ever been sampled. On the other hand we see the Cantabrians having a peak in R1a, with 8.5% for the whole regions but up to ~40% in the Pasiegos area. It seems R1a is found at fairly low frequencies throughout Iberia. So could it be that it is a byproduct of the Germanic invasions to Spain, if so, this would suggest nearly zero impact of the Visigoth on the Basque population, yet we do find I1 in Basque though at incredibly low frequencies, and it has popped up only once.

Are the Visigoth supposed to be R1a?

jeanL
08-11-2015, 01:56 PM
Are the Visigoth supposed to be R1a?

It's a possibility, as far as I know they came from Eastern Europe.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Visigoth_migrations.jpg

parastais
08-11-2015, 02:34 PM
Some of their warrior should be r1a.

Coldmountains
08-11-2015, 05:41 PM
I was taking a look throughout Eupedia's table, and I have seen also plenty of studies, and something that caught my attention is the complete absence of haplogroup R1a in Basque, where singletons such as J1, T and even Q have popped up, yet not a single R1a has ever been sampled. On the other hand we see the Cantabrians having a peak in R1a, with 8.5% for the whole regions but up to ~40% in the Pasiegos area. It seems R1a is found at fairly low frequencies throughout Iberia. So could it be that it is a byproduct of the Germanic invasions to Spain, if so, this would suggest nearly zero impact of the Visigoth on the Basque population, yet we do find I1 in Basque though at incredibly low frequencies, and it has popped up only once.
There are quite many possibilities for explaining how R1a arrived in Iberia. But I would be interested in knowing to which kind of subclades Spanish R1a carriers belong if some of them carry Z93 some of it could be brought to Iberia by Alans/Sarmatian mercenaries or even by Arabs or Jews (very speculative). But I guess that most of is a byproduct of Germanic invasions (Visigoths were East Germanics and certainly richer in R1a than most other Germanics) and maybe of slave trade (Slavs or Turks). Many (mostly Turkic) Slaves were recruited as warriors in muslim kingdoms and in some cases they even became quite powerful but I don't know if there were so many slaves of Turkic or Slavic origin in Iberia.

Wow 40% in Pasiegos that is quite impressive for West Europe/Iberia. I wonder how many people were tested there it could be just a small sample so maybe it is not representative but in small areas founder effects or even small migrations can dramatically change the distribution of various Y-DNA lineages . But I am also impressed that 8,5 % of men in Cantabria carry R1a ( in this case certain the byproduct of Germanic invasions in my opinion)

RCO
08-12-2015, 12:21 AM
We need the proper R1a Iberian sequence and position of SNPs and the frequency in the population.
One case is here but I don't know the frequency and region.
http://www.yfull.com/tree/R-CTS6*/

Agamemnon
08-12-2015, 12:32 AM
We need the proper R1a Iberian sequence and position of SNPs and the frequency in the population.
One case is here but I don't know the frequency and region.
http://www.yfull.com/tree/R-CTS6*/

Hm, R1a-CTS6, that's rather interesting to say the least...

copperchapa
06-29-2017, 10:50 PM
My Haplogroup designation is R-Y57 Z93>Z94>Z2124>Z2122>Y57*-x (Big Y needed) I am kit 447312 in the FTDNA R1A1 Project, page 11. I tested my YDNA in 2015 and have had 2 matches at the 37marker level in FTDNA. One is a Mexican match at a genetic distance of 1 and the other is a Portuguese match at a genetic distance of 4. There is not much information on the web about my current subclade. Any opinions, information or insight would be greatly appreciated.

RCO
06-30-2017, 02:45 AM
We can find several Europeans and one Peruvian at Y57 https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y57/
If you have contact with your FTDNA matches ask them if they also have other different matches.

Artmar
06-30-2017, 09:37 AM
Hi Jose.

Given the widespread (but still somewhat limited and more westerly in comparison to many other Z93 subclades) distribution of Y57, I think that this clade is connected with European Scythians and very likely also Alans.

Taking into consideration their migratory route, ties with Germanic tribes and modern distribution of Y57 (mostly Europe and West Asia/Caucasus) it is plausible that many Europeans who tested Y57 are ancestors of those aforementioned nomads who assimilated into Germanic cultures at some point of history.

Baltimore1937
07-03-2017, 11:00 PM
I've also seen, postulated years ago, that the Visigoths and Ostrogoths originated in Sweden.

copperchapa
08-07-2017, 11:17 PM
Unfortunately, I do not currently have contact with my FTDNA, Y57 matches. Here are my Y-DNA37 Markers:
14 24 16 10 11-14 12 12 10 14 11 31 15 9-10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12-15-15-16 11 12 19-22 15 15 18 18 35-41 14 11

It is interesting to me that there is a Peruvian Y57. This may not be the correct forum, however, I am trying to figure out how I ended up with this YDNA and how it entered the Americas from the Iberian Peninsula. I experienced an NPE. My mother's only gene pool comes from the Founder lines of the Mexican State of Nuevo Leon. She descends from a ranching family with a very high amount of endogamy. Her Gedmatch Kit is A968855 and mine is A008648. Her last name is Chapa and our Chapa ancestor came to Nuevo Leon, from Genoa, Italy, in the mid 1600s. The family name was Schiapapria and they were merchants. We have a few hundred Sephardic and Ashkenazic matches (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Israel, Australia, England, Romania...) in both FTDNA and Gedmatch. I have been documenting matches and see "clusters" of matches on certain chromosome segments. There are also random, individual segments that we have one to one matches with. I phased the biological father's autosomal DNA in Gedmatch and the autosomal matches cross in to the Nuevo Leon matches/gene pool minimally. I am thinking that the YDNA ancestor entered the Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico territory as one of the first Portuguese Conquistadors. While my mother and I have matches in common (some chromosome segments are very long) from the Azores, Brazil, Columbia, Portugal and Puerto Rico, I clearly have matches (not in common with my mother), that are coming from the biological father that also originate in those countries. I recently had a Peruvian autosomal DNA match in FTDNA. Further, some of my Ashkenazic and Sephardic matches are only coming from the biological father (England and Australia are a common country of origin for these matches). It is also interesting, for example, that one of my Puerto Rican matches in common with my mother also matches the biological father (on a portion of a longer segment on Chromosome 9). The exact start and end point of this Puerto Rican match also matches several of my Ashkenazic matches. I could site many other examples. I have been looking at Portuguese merchant families that arrived in the New World in the 16th and 17th century and, again, feel that there could be a connection to the Y57 biological father's origins.

lgmayka
08-08-2017, 11:40 PM
It is interesting to me that there is a Peruvian Y57.
YFull places the Peruvian sample more specifically in R-Y52 (https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y52/).

copperchapa
08-09-2017, 05:19 PM
Thank you very much lgmayka. If I order the BigY, what might I expect to find? That is a big question, I understand. I am just wondering if the BigY would offer more insight(s) in to origins? I joined the R1A1 Project in 2015 and, from what understand, my R-Y57 ancestor entered the Iberian Peninsula before the Y57, Y52 split. Does that sound correct to anyone?

lgmayka
08-09-2017, 07:08 PM
If I order the BigY, what might I expect to find?
Here is FTDNA's FAQ on the Big Y test (https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/y-dna-testing/big-y/). The Big Y examines 10 million locations on the Y chromosome in search of both known and undiscovered SNPs. It can define a new branch on the haplotree, split a level, help estimate a branch's age, etc. So for example, if you share a SNP with one other participant (and no one else), YFull can define a new subclade for the two of you and estimate your TMRCA.

Amerijoe
08-09-2017, 07:25 PM
Here is FTDNA's FAQ on the Big Y test (https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/y-dna-testing/big-y/). The Big Y examines 10 million locations on the Y chromosome in search of both known and undiscovered SNPs. It can define a new branch on the haplotree, split a level, help estimate a branch's age, etc. So for example, if you share a SNP with one other participant (and no one else), YFull can define a new subclade for the two of you and estimate your TMRCA.

Which is exactly what just happened with me. Now have an Englishman & an Irishman to share a new subclade YP6291. Thanks lgmayka for assisting me in making this happen.

Michał
08-09-2017, 09:46 PM
I joined the R1A1 Project in 2015 and, from what understand, my R-Y57 ancestor entered the Iberian Peninsula before the Y57, Y52 split. Does that sound correct to anyone?
This is almost certainly incorrect, as in such case we would have to assume that all those multiple Asian and Eastern European members of clade Y52 descend from an Iberian ancestor. It seems definitely most likely that your yet unnamed subclade under Y57 split from subclade Y52 somewhere in the East (either in Asia or in Eastern Europe), so your paternal ancestor entered Iberia long after that event.

copperchapa
01-07-2018, 07:38 PM
I received my BigY results before the new year. FTDNA Kit number 447312. I have one match at each of the following SNPs R-Z2124, R-Z2122, R-Y57, R-Y52, R-BY32052. Shared variant is 291705. My match is from Brazil. Last name Pereira Da Silva. In his "about me" section, he states "Judeu Marrano". I sent an email to him requesting more information. I am trying to understand my results and any additional information would be greatly appreciated.

01-07-2018, 07:53 PM
Just googled this
http://comunidadeshemaisrael.blogspot.de/2005/11/judeus-marranos.html

copperchapa
01-07-2018, 08:23 PM
Thank you sgdavies. Fortunately, I am fluent in Spanish and am now improving my Portuguese. I am hoping that my match has knowledge and a paper trail of his YDNA lineage.

parasar
01-08-2018, 06:22 PM
I received my BigY results before the new year. FTDNA Kit number 447312. I have one match at each of the following SNPs R-Z2124, R-Z2122, R-Y57, R-Y52, R-BY32052. Shared variant is 291705. My match is from Brazil. Last name Pereira Da Silva. In his "about me" section, he states "Judeu Marrano". I sent an email to him requesting more information. I am trying to understand my results and any additional information would be greatly appreciated.

I believe there was a discussion on the potential Jewish connection of the Y57, Y52 from Peru.

nunomeco
01-08-2018, 07:50 PM
Ashkenazi Levite CTS-6

palamede
01-12-2018, 11:52 AM
For the strong presence of R1a and E-M81 in the Pasiegos (Cantabric chain above Santander), I have already proposed the implementation of auxiliary troups (Numids, Moors, Sarmats .. ) by Romans at the end of The Cantabrian Wars (29–19 BC). This in order to control the passes to the Cantabrian coast and mountain from the Ebro valley.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantabrian_Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valles_Pasiegos

This could explain 3 concommitances :
1) strong Presence of E-M81 coming from North Africa;
2) important presence of R1a coming from East Europa
3) strong local mitochondrial haplogroups in continuity with the neighbouring regions showing the auxiliaries mated with the local women (Certainly a lot of widows at the end of very rough wars).

This could explain the very old particularism of the Pasiegos versus the other Cantabrians.

felipesc25
01-20-2018, 05:21 AM
It is interessing, i have not seen too much R1a in Brazil(I m brazilian) , usually who have are related with eastern europe(Some polish descendent). I m r1a too and my direct background came from northeastern italy.

felipesc25
01-20-2018, 05:23 AM
About iberian, imo it is relate mostly with visigoths, a bit of suevii and vadalic tribes, and maybe a bit related with Alans(i guess that they were related with J2, J1 and G2a too). But about visigoths, they mixed a lot with slavs/proto slavs, so been r1a with direct visigothic background isnt too difficult

sweuro
01-20-2018, 09:55 AM
In the study of Flores et al. 2004 there was a sample from León with 6.7% R1a , in sample of 60 people.

copperchapa
01-24-2018, 08:08 PM
Does anyone have any information for the Peruvian R-Y52 (for example, where in Peru they are from, did they test their BigY, surnames, when did they test, who they match)?

Michał
01-24-2018, 08:29 PM
Does anyone have any information for the Peruvian R-Y52 (for example, where in Peru they are from, did they test their BigY, surnames, when did they test, who they match)?
This is a research sample and his NGS test was done as a part of the 1000 Genomes project, so this has nothing to do with Big Y or FTDNA. Of course, he is anonymous. His ID is HG01982 and all we know is that he lives in Lima, Peru, and all his four grandparents were born in Peru. See this site: https://www.coriell.org/0/Sections/Search/Sample_Detail.aspx?Ref=HG01982
So far, his lineage is parallel to all remaining lineages/subclades under Y52 that are currently known to us, so he is classified as Y52*. We don't have his STR results.

copperchapa
01-24-2018, 08:52 PM
I am not understanding how the Peruvian sample ended up in the YFull Tree. On YFULL your terminal SNP Y52 has matches in Russia and Peru. R-Y52Y53 * Y60 * Y52+5 SNPsformed 4700 ybp, TMRCA 3300 ybpinfo
R-Y52*
id:YF06443RUS [RU-KB]
id:YF02284
id:HG01982

I did request my BAM file from FTDNA. Do I need my BAM file to be added to the YFull Tree? Also, is there more information for YFull ID: YF06443RUS and ID: YF02284?

copperchapa
04-03-2018, 03:01 PM
I am now in the YFull Tree. ID Number YF13061.

copperchapa
04-19-2018, 10:26 PM
In Yfull there is a NEW kit that is also R-Y52 and this kit has a message "Analysis in Progress". The kit number is ERS2374378. Where do ERS kits originate (what company)? Also, how long does analysis in Yfull take (approximately)? Thank you.

copperchapa
05-13-2018, 07:24 PM
The Peruvian sample HGO1982 in YFull and my sample YF13061 now have our own branch under R-Y52. We are both R-BY32052.

Dibran
05-15-2018, 03:11 PM
The Peruvian sample HGO1982 in YFull and my sample YF13061 now have our own branch under R-Y52. We are both R-BY32052.

Yfull updates were already completed?

copperchapa
05-16-2018, 03:15 PM
Yfull updates were already completed?

Yes YFull updates were already completed.

Dibran
05-16-2018, 11:07 PM
Yes YFull updates were already completed.

All looks mostly the same. Even for my sample.

lgmayka
05-17-2018, 06:59 PM
Yes YFull updates were already completed.
Up to a certain point (probably a certain entry number).

The E-V13 haplotree (https://yfull.com/tree/E-V13/) now includes the early offshoot E-BY6550 (https://yfull.com/tree/E-BY6550/), whose definition was forced by YF12989.

On the other hand, YF13223 is still classified merely as K2b (https://yfull.com/tree/K2b/), so the adjustment to P has not yet occurred.

Entries YF12992 and YF12995 have not yet forced the definition of an offshoot clade under R-PF6155 (https://yfull.com/tree/R-PF6155/).

So I would say that the tree update ended near YF12990.

Dibran
05-17-2018, 07:11 PM
Up to a certain point (probably a certain entry number).

The E-V13 haplotree (https://yfull.com/tree/E-V13/) now includes the early offshoot E-BY6550 (https://yfull.com/tree/E-BY6550/), whose definition was forced by YF12989.

On the other hand, YF13223 is still classified merely as K2b (https://yfull.com/tree/K2b/), so the adjustment to P has not yet occurred.

Entries YF12992 and YF12995 have not yet forced the definition of an offshoot clade under R-PF6155 (https://yfull.com/tree/R-PF6155/).

So I would say that the tree update ended near YF12990.

Damn. So I will be sticking around in L1029* with no split off yet? I know I form a founder effect with my Albanian match(testing novels). I would think this would at least be evident to split my clade under L1029 given all my novels that were discovered?

Or am I looking at this all wrong? Do I really need my YSEQ match to do a big Y to just split the clade on Yfull or would that only be the purpose to define the actual TMRCA?

jmestres
08-29-2019, 05:23 PM
Following on the original title of the thread, FYI at least 4 R1a-Y934 samples (down from Z2123, from the asian R1a-Z93 branch) have been identified recently in Iberia: three of them are Y934>Y7094 and appear to be located one in south Portugal and the other two in Asturias, whereas the fourth is Y934>Y15121 and is located in Catalonia. So, there are indeed R1a samples spread all over the Iberian peninsula; they are rare, but do exist.

Ruderico
08-29-2019, 06:08 PM
Following on the original title of the thread, FYI at least 4 R1a-Y934 samples (down from Z2123, from the asian R1a-Z93 branch) have been identified recently in Iberia: three of them are Y934>Y7094 and appear to be located one in south Portugal and the other two in Asturias, whereas the fourth is Y934>Y15121 and is located in Catalonia. So, there are indeed R1a samples spread all over the Iberian peninsula; they are rare, but do exist.

Cool, another guy who's possibly of Alani patrilinear descent :)

parasar
08-29-2019, 06:36 PM
Following on the original title of the thread, FYI at least 4 R1a-Y934 samples (down from Z2123, from the asian R1a-Z93 branch) have been identified recently in Iberia: three of them are Y934>Y7094 and appear to be located one in south Portugal and the other two in Asturias, whereas the fourth is Y934>Y15121 and is located in Catalonia. So, there are indeed R1a samples spread all over the Iberian peninsula; they are rare, but do exist.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?4540-Y15121-Prussian-Sri-Lankan-subclade-within-R1a-Z2123

Amerijoe
08-29-2019, 08:30 PM
Being in YP6291 which is a subclad of Y15121, I can attest to a wide variety of Ydna matches from Sri Lanka, the Stans, Middle East and Iberian distant matches to the British Isles. After that long trek I’m resting in Florida, another Spanish connection. I received percentages of Spanish with some of the smaller testing companies. Gedmatch eurogenes V15 gives me Spanish regions in the 4 to 5% range with secondary pops, the balance Orcadian. Let me know when a location is pinpointed for Y15121 origin.

laltota
08-29-2019, 09:23 PM
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?4540-Y15121-Prussian-Sri-Lankan-subclade-within-R1a-Z2123

Is there a possibility such R1a sublcades in Iberia and elsewhere in Europe might be related to Romani (Roma) people?

Ruderico
08-29-2019, 09:39 PM
Is there a possibility such R1a sublcades in Iberia and elsewhere in Europe might be related to Romani (Roma) people?

I guess it's possible, but keep in mind Romanis are a very small minority in most of the country, I'd only expect to find such clades in places like Andalucía. On the other hand, given their economic status, I don't see many of them taking DNA tests

jmestres
08-29-2019, 10:33 PM
No Roma for sure in the two samples from Asturias. Both paper trail (church books + testaments + other property documents) and genetic data (Y-DNA tests from descendants at various branches of the patrilineal line) lead to a notorious “hidalgo” (nobleman) born circa 1480. In those dates, all men had to be inscribed in the census books as “hidalgo” (nobleman) or “pechero” (layman). Roma where annotated aside in those census in the villages they resided. I have seen all census books every 6 years from the very first one and never found a single man annotated as Roma in them. I’ve seen Roma annotated in villages from other regions in Spain. It ought to be said that when a men was annotated as “hidalgo” in those books meant that his patrilineal lineage was known locally by the community as being “hidalgos” for generations. No chance of being annotated as “hidalgo” out of the blue. In fact, any man coming to live to the village and pretending to be “hidalgo” in his village had to demonstrate it in a long, laborious and costly process. All that essentially means that the lineage had been living in the same village of Asturias basically from the 9th century.

I cannot speak however for the other two cases. Obviously, all possibilities are open (bronze age migration, sarmatian warriors from Roman times, Alans, and even converted muslim warriors) for all samples until origin is genetically confirmed (if that will ever be possible).

RCO
08-30-2019, 12:49 PM
I don't know if Muslim Warlords or Saqalibas would survive or build lineages in the Christian side of the frontier during the Reconquista.

Ruderico
08-30-2019, 01:11 PM
They wouldn't need to be warlords, nor muslim, just migrants from the south, such as Mozarabs for example. Mozarabs were fairly relevant during the early centuries of the Reconquista

Hyoga7
08-31-2019, 12:56 PM
I guess it's possible, but keep in mind Romanis are a very small minority in most of the country, I'd only expect to find such clades in places like Andalucía. On the other hand, given their economic status, I don't see many of them taking DNA tests

I totally see your point about the economic status of Romanis, although some people do concede that they always have a German deluxe car.

Economic status doesn't seem to be the major obstacle in taking DNA tests. I believe that it is the unknown, the ability to deal with the results.
I've seen people that say that money is the obstacle, but then they spend more or less the same money on food/drinks/parties/movies, etc... in a very short period of time. I am not saying that it isn't valid or reasonable for people to spend money on food/drinks/parties/movies or any other thing that makes people tick.
I once talked with a person that lived in one of the most expensives cities in the world! He told me that if he went out for dinner and drinks on a Saturday night, he could easily spend 100 euros. Yet, he considered taking a DNA test as something very expensive.

As for R1a in Iberia, I would venture to say that it might be from people who came during the Germanic invasions (assimilated people in Eastern Europe).

jmestres
09-01-2019, 12:14 AM
Back to R1a in Iberia: I couldn’t help noticing that

i) under Z93>Z94>Z2124>Z2122 there is a subclade Y86945 with a man from the north of Spain (Cantabria) and a man from Scotland

ii) under Z93>Z94>Z2124>Z2125 there is a subclade Y5992 with a man from the north of Spain (Asturias) and a few men from Russia (Bashkortostan and Chelyabinsk).

In both cases, the TMRCA is circa 3,000 ybp.

xripkan
09-01-2019, 12:22 AM
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xripkan
09-01-2019, 12:23 AM
Back to R1a in Iberia: I couldn’t help noticing that

i) under Z93>Z94>Z2124>Z2122 there is a subclade Y86945 with a man from the north of Spain (Cantabria) and a man from Scotland

ii) under Z93>Z94>Z2124>Z2125 there is a subclade Y5992 with a man from the north of Spain (Asturias) and a few men from Russia (Bashkortostan and Chelyabinsk).

In both cases, the TMRCA is circa 3,000 ybp.
The first subclade is a downstream of R-F2935 formed 3900ybp which is my haplgroup as well (I am Greek)

jmestres
09-01-2019, 07:17 AM
Hi xripkan, thanks for the post. I cannot see your sample in YTree though. Is it a new result and still being processed? Thanks.

xripkan
09-01-2019, 09:47 AM
Hi xripkan, thanks for the post. I cannot see your sample in YTree though. Is it a new result and still being processed? Thanks.

I have not tested with FTDNA but I will at the future. I have tested with 23andme.

jmestres
09-01-2019, 05:17 PM
You don’t need to test at FTDNA. As long as you have a BAM file, you can import it into YFull.

xripkan
09-01-2019, 10:00 PM
You don’t need to test at FTDNA. As long as you have a BAM file, you can import it into YFull.

I have a genome file I got from 23andme with my raw data. Can I upload that on YFull or I have to examine my YDNA specifically to get the BAM file?

jmestres
09-02-2019, 12:15 AM
You may convert the 23andMe file to a BAM file for processing at Yfull:
https://www.quora.com/How-can-I-convert-23andMe-raw-data-to-BAM-and-BAI-files-to-view-with-IGV

But, as far as I understand, be aware that 23andMe looks for SNPs but not for STRs. You may want to get advice from someone at Yfull about the suitability of processing 23andMe result files for SNP coverage of your Y chromosome.

ArmandoR1b
09-02-2019, 03:38 AM
I have a genome file I got from 23andme with my raw data. Can I upload that on YFull or I have to examine my YDNA specifically to get the BAM file?

YFull only processes files from NextGen and WGS tests. 23andme is not either of those. It is a chip based test with a very limited number of Y-DNA SNPs in the test. YFull won't do anything with your 23andme file. If you are truly interested in advanced Y-DNA testing look into Big Y-700 or Yseq.net WGS or FGC Y Elite.

mokordo
05-22-2020, 09:47 PM
I am one of those strange Spaniards with r1a, my paternal side is from Andalusia.

Morley´s predictor:

https://i.imgur.com/2Qh3WDf.png

https://i.imgur.com/NpUcDCn.png

Cladefinder:

https://i.imgur.com/I4JW0MS.png

https://i.imgur.com/E58xMMz.png

What is exactly my subclade?

mokordo
07-27-2020, 09:55 PM
Well, I got my 23andMe, so I already know what is more exactly my R1a subclade:

https://i.imgur.com/tVftIxE.png

mokordo
11-01-2020, 10:07 PM
Finally I ordered a R1a panel from Yseq.

Artmar
11-10-2020, 09:11 PM
Well, I got my 23andMe, so I already know what is more exactly my R1a subclade:

...

You can re-run predictions using 23andMe data. Anyway, if you are Z282+ but Z280/Z284 - then maybe you will fall under this clade: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y17491/ .One Sarmatian was tested YP4858 that is downstream from Z282>Y17491 so it could have reached Spain alongside YP1451, Y52 and other (let's say) Scytho-Sarmatian clades of R1a.