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Kristiina
08-31-2015, 05:09 PM
Igmayka, Davidski posted today results of his K-12 run with several RISE samples.

I am particularly interested in RISE554 because Genetiker has claimed that RISE554 is N-Y6503 as Hungarian IR1, i.e. predecessor clade of N-P189.2, which is unrelated to all other N branches in the world. When I compare RISE554 with the most Siberian of Karasuk and the most Karitiana of Okunevo, the results are the following:
Afontova Gora RISE554: Nganasan 58%, Naxi 0%, European HG 6%, Afanasievo 17%, Atayal 0%, Pulliyar 0%, Chukchi 8%, 12% Karitiana
Karasuk RISE497: Nganasan 56%, Naxi 19%, European HG 0%, Afanasievo 11%, Atayal 0%, Pulliyar 0%, Chukchi 7%, 7% Karitiana
Okunevo RISE515: Nganasan 27%, Naxi 0%, European HG 16%, Afanasievo 30%, Atayal 5%, Pulliyar 0%, Chukchi 4%, 18% Karitiana

So, RISE 554 lacks all southern elements but is even 20% American. RISE497 has a clear northern HAN admixture. Okunevo has a strange 5% Atayal.

I have been wondering where IR1 came from and now we have another N-Y6503 which looks like having come from Volga Ural area through Siberian taiga. If the earliest N branch comes from the area which has always been considered the most plausible homeland of Uralic languages, it looks like all other N lines may have their origin there as well. I am really waiting for ancient yDNA analyses from Volga. What do you think?

dp
08-31-2015, 05:26 PM
Welcome to Anthrogenica, Kristiina.
dp :-)

Kristiina
08-31-2015, 06:43 PM
Thank you David! I tried to find Eurogenes results for IR1 but did not succeed. Here are Genetiker's globe 13 results for IR1
• 38.81% North_European
• 22.25% Mediterranean
• 20.09% West_Asian
• 5.28% Southwest_Asian
• 5.06% Siberian
• 2.38% Amerindian
• 2.00% Arctic
• 1.78% South_Asian
• 1.55% West_African
• 0.61% East_Asian
• 0.17% Australasian
• 0.00% East_African
• 0.00% Palaeo_African

Helgenes50
08-31-2015, 07:03 PM
Thank you David! I tried to find Eurogenes results for IR1 but did not succeed. Here are Genetiker's globe 13 results for IR1
• 38.81% North_European
• 22.25% Mediterranean
• 20.09% West_Asian
• 5.28% Southwest_Asian
• 5.06% Siberian
• 2.38% Amerindian
• 2.00% Arctic
• 1.78% South_Asian
• 1.55% West_African
• 0.61% East_Asian
• 0.17% Australasian
• 0.00% East_African
• 0.00% Palaeo_African

Here are the IR1‘s Eurogenes results.

K13

North_Atlantic 38.53%
Baltic 27.25%
West_Med 11.36%
West_Asian 19.69%
East_Med 0.61%
Red_Sea 0.87%
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.80%
Amerindian 0.87%
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -



K15

North_Sea 23.35%
Atlantic 23.43%
Baltic 11.45%
Eastern_Euro 19.13%
West_Med 6.33%
West_Asian 15.81%
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.15%
Amerindian 0.32%
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

K36


Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 3.54%
Basque 1.24%
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 3.34%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 8.69%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 11.03%
Fennoscandian 4.83%
French 11.55%
Iberian 0.44%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 6.98%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 14.39%
North_Caucasian 14.01%
North_Sea 18.27%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 1.70%