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evon
10-09-2015, 08:11 PM
https://dna.land/

Will add my self and see what it is like, but it does look interesting..Would be nice to know if others here are participating already?

Little bit
10-09-2015, 09:00 PM
Ok, I have uploaded myself. Everything says "in Progress" but I'm looking forward to seeing what I get. Many thanks for the heads up, Evon. :beerchug:

khanabadoshi
10-09-2015, 09:57 PM
Submitted. Let's see what happens.

CelticGerman
10-09-2015, 10:42 PM
Just uploaded. They need at least 24 hours .... There will be regional percentages (like North/central Europe, North/eastern Europe etc.). Far away from being an alternative to GEDmatch until now I presume. But it is probably work in progress.

Petr
10-09-2015, 11:29 PM
Looks really interesting - but is anybody able to verify that this project is really "run by academics affiliated with Columbia University and the NY Genome Center"?

The owner of dna.land domain reported by the whois tool is:
Registrant Name: Registration Private
Registrant Organization: Domains By Proxy, LLC

Kaido
10-10-2015, 12:06 AM
Looks really interesting - but is anybody able to verify that this project is really "run by academics affiliated with Columbia University and the NY Genome Center"?

The owner of dna.land domain reported by the whois tool is:
Registrant Name: Registration Private
Registrant Organization: Domains By Proxy, LLC

Yaniv Erlich, one of the members listed on the site has been tweeting about it here. https://twitter.com/erlichya

crossover
10-10-2015, 02:52 AM
what's the difference between this site and gedmatch

Táltos
10-10-2015, 03:12 AM
Looks really interesting - but is anybody able to verify that this project is really "run by academics affiliated with Columbia University and the NY Genome Center"?

The owner of dna.land domain reported by the whois tool is:
Registrant Name: Registration Private
Registrant Organization: Domains By Proxy, LLC

CeCe Moore was asked to advise on the project. http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2015/10/dnaland-launches.html

Also here is from their website.
Dr. Yaniv Erlich is the investigator in charge of the study at the New York Genome Center. If you have questions, please email us: consent@dna.land

If you have any questions about your rights as a research subject or complaints regarding this research study, or you are unable to reach the research staff, you may contact a person independent of the research team at the Biomedical Research Alliance of New York Institutional Review Board at 516-318-6877.

CelticGerman
10-10-2015, 06:53 AM
my first result6240



...... let's see if they will be able to detect the difference between Brits, Germans, Dutch and Scandinavians one day ....

anglesqueville
10-10-2015, 07:16 AM
Just uploaded. I'll wait and see if this is serious for uploadind mother and wife.

Afshar
10-10-2015, 07:36 AM
Seems interesting, a bit too fancy to compete with GEDmatch.

jesus
10-10-2015, 07:39 AM
Ancestry Composition

Central Asian (31.2%)
Ashkenazi/Levantine (25.85%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (15.29%)
Near Eastern (12.89%)
South Asian (9.36%)
Other (5.41%)

Cascio
10-10-2015, 08:14 AM
Dna.Land will not accept my 23andMe raw data.

Helgenes50
10-10-2015, 08:29 AM
It's done

J1 DYS388=13
10-10-2015, 09:00 AM
Dna.Land will not accept my 23andMe raw data.

You didn't unzip the file, did you?

Afshar
10-10-2015, 09:02 AM
Accounts have been doubled since yesterday

MfA
10-10-2015, 09:05 AM
32.98% Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian
25.98% Central Asian
22.46% Ashkenazi/Levantine
11.27% Near Eastern
7.31% South European

Kaido
10-10-2015, 09:14 AM
Central Asian (37.5%)
South Asian (34.27%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (12.17%)
North/east European (8.11%)
Ashkenazi/Levantine (5.64%)
Other (2.31%)
:)

Cascio
10-10-2015, 09:19 AM
You didn't unzip the file, did you?

Sorted now.

Sangarius
10-10-2015, 09:23 AM
I've uploaded my grandparents and my kits this morning. Now that I've seen some results, I'm honestly disappointed about the low resolution of the ancestry composition. Maybe it will get better with time.

khanabadoshi
10-10-2015, 09:29 AM
Central Asian (44.9%)
South Asian (35.79%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (11.82%)
Other (7.49%)

Cofgene
10-10-2015, 09:35 AM
Remember that this is a cheap way for them to build their own database of results without having to "license" 23andMe or Ancestry.com results. The ancestry information isn't that useful. It is the variant information in the data they are after. I look at this as more of a contribution to public medical research than a genealogical/ancestral analysis effort. Time to give them some homogeneous autosomal results and see what develops over time.

anglesqueville
10-10-2015, 09:48 AM
I've just received my ancestry results (I uploaded my datas 2 hours ago):
6242

evon
10-10-2015, 10:00 AM
A short notice, if you have multiple accounts, you can use the gmail trick to get as many accounts as you wish I guess onto one e-mail account, just place + after the adress like so, original: Johndoe@gmail.com Johndoe+@gmail.com Johndoe++@gmail.com etc..

anglesqueville
10-10-2015, 10:15 AM
A short notice, if you have multiple accounts, you can use the gmail trick to get as many accounts as you wish I guess onto one e-mail account, just place + after the adress like so, original: Johndoe@gmail.com Johndoe+@gmail.com Johndoe++@gmail.com etc..

Mange takk evon, I was wondering about this problem of multiple accounts.

evon
10-10-2015, 10:18 AM
Mange takk evon, I was wondering about this problem of multiple accounts.

Yeah I am upto 4 ++++ now :P Looking forward to the relative matches.

Sangarius
10-10-2015, 10:20 AM
I received my results, too. My grandparents kits are still processing.
From the map it seems like Ashkenazi/Levantine is pretty much based on Ashkenazi and not on other Levantine pops.
I wonder what the "other" stuff is.

http://abload.de/img/dna.landancestrycompog8sms.png

http://abload.de/img/dna.landancestrymapalqqsfz.png

Cinnamon orange
10-10-2015, 10:33 AM
I received my results, too. My grandparents kits are still processing.
From the map it seems like Ashkenazi/Levantine is pretty much based on Ashkenazi and not on other Levantine pops.
I wonder what the "other" stuff is.

http://abload.de/img/dna.landancestrycompog8sms.png

http://abload.de/img/dna.landancestrymapalqqsfz.png

Do you have any known south European or Balkan ancestry? Just curious as I know it may be uknown but some Turks have more recent admixture that they are aware of.

Cascio
10-10-2015, 10:57 AM
I come out as:

South European 64.77pc

North/Central European 15.27pc

Southwestern European 9.49pc

Ashkenazi/Levantine 8.7pc

Other 1.77pc

What does Ashkenazi/Levantine entail?

Erik
10-10-2015, 11:10 AM
https://i.hizliresim.com/9ERB73.png

Little bit
10-10-2015, 11:25 AM
Just checked my Ancestry results:

North/Central European 80.37%
Southwestern European 14.37%
Other 5.26%

Pretty basic and my Southern European seems higher than I usually get. I wonder what is my 'other?'

John Doe
10-10-2015, 11:31 AM
Just checked my Ancestry results:

North/Central European 80.37%
Southwestern European 14.37%
Other 5.26%

Pretty basic and my Southern European seems higher than I usually get. I wonder what is my 'other?'

No surprise here, 100% Ashkenazi/Levantine
This is basically the Ashkenazi of 23andme and the Jewish diaspora of FTDNA.

Stephen1986
10-10-2015, 11:39 AM
I've just uploaded the raw data from 23andMe for my brother and myself.

Jessie
10-10-2015, 11:39 AM
It's pretty basis. Here's my result.

http://i57.tinypic.com/142sb5f.png[/QUOTE]

evon
10-10-2015, 11:44 AM
It's pretty basis. Here's my result.


Closest to 100% for any given component ive seen so far, wonder if they have Irish samples in the North/central cluster..

Jessie
10-10-2015, 11:53 AM
Closest to 100% for any given component ive seen so far, wonder if they have Irish samples in the North/central cluster..

All my results are like that. Not very exciting at all.

evon
10-10-2015, 12:06 PM
All my results are like that. Not very exciting at all.

über European :P You should check the ancient DNA calculators over at gedmatch, could be interesting to see how that looks for someone who is "100%" Irish...

jbarry6899
10-10-2015, 12:15 PM
I downloaded the imputed files. What, if anything, can I do with them? Promethease? Gedmatch?

anglesqueville
10-10-2015, 12:38 PM
My mother:
6244
I was surprised by my large north-eastern part. My mother happens to get even more. If I've well understood, they compute the ancestral compositions on the basis of imputed genotypes. Right? Does anyone know something about the reliability of this method?

thrax
10-10-2015, 01:17 PM
http://i58.tinypic.com/710hok.png
http://i57.tinypic.com/2jgt38.png

Cascio
10-10-2015, 01:28 PM
Where can we find the different population categories?

ZephyrousMandaru
10-10-2015, 01:33 PM
Well, now I know my African admixture is definitely not noise. LMAO

http://s4.postimg.org/yzq75pyil/DNA_Land_Ancestry_Composition_and_Ancestry_Map.png

firemonkey
10-10-2015, 01:38 PM
Here are my results using 23andMe data. Have made another account for FTDNA data which I am waiting on.

6245

6246

The 5.02 Ashkenazi/Levantine is a big surprise. On My origins I score 0% Jewish and on 23andMe <0.1 Ashkenazi with a minute race on chromosome 13.
That leaves Levantine but again neither My origins or 23andMe flags that up as a possibility. Am wondering what result the FTDNA data will bring.

Anabasis
10-10-2015, 01:39 PM
Well, now I know my African admixture is definitely not noise. LMAO

http://s4.postimg.org/yzq75pyil/DNA_Land_Ancestry_Composition_and_Ancestry_Map.png
I allways suspect assyrians had a colony in africa but havent guess anytime they went to so west in africa. Lolll

Sangarius
10-10-2015, 01:42 PM
Did anybody receive FTDNA results, yet? I noticed 23andme kits take about two hours to process, while my other FTDNA kits still haven't finished.

Anabasis
10-10-2015, 01:44 PM
Did anybody receive FTDNA results, yet? I noticed 23andme kits take about two hours to process, while my other FTDNA kits still haven't finished.
I havent taken my results yet. I uploaded my file about 3 hour ago.

Cascio
10-10-2015, 01:47 PM
Here are my results using 23andMe data. Have made another account for FTDNA data which I am waiting on.

6245

6246

The 5.02 Ashkenazi/Levantine is a big surprise. On My origins I score 0% Jewish and on 23andMe <0.1 Ashkenazi with a minute race on chromosome 13.
That leaves Levantine but again neither My origins or 23andMe flags that up as a possibility. Am wondering what result the FTDNA data will bring.

I score no Ashkenazi on 23andMe but many Gedmatch Oracles I've used suggest Jewish admixture..Ashkenazim,Sephardim,Italqim and Mizrahim.

Helgenes50
10-10-2015, 01:50 PM
Did anybody receive FTDNA results, yet? I noticed 23andme kits take about two hours to process, while my other FTDNA kits still haven't finished.

I am in the same case, I received my 23andme results, not my FTDNA results uploaded before

firemonkey
10-10-2015, 02:05 PM
I score no Ashkenazi on 23andMe but many Gedmatch Oracles I've used suggest Jewish admixture..Ashkenazim,Sephardim,Italqim and Mizrahim.


On Gedmatch calculators -mixed mode secondary populations I sometimes get a small Jewish % but I don't put much stock on those secondary populations.
Using Eurogenes J test - ASHKENAZI 3.33 (FTDNA) ASHKENAZI 2.95 (23andMe)

Cascio
10-10-2015, 02:08 PM
On Gedmatch calculators -mixed mode secondary populations I sometimes get a small Jewish % but I don't put much stock on those secondary populations.
Using Eurogenes J test - ASHKENAZI 3.33 (FTDNA) ASHKENAZI 2.95 (23andMe)

I often get Jewish on the Oracle4 as well as in Mixed Mode.

evon
10-10-2015, 02:31 PM
Well, now I know my African admixture is definitely not noise. LMAO


Wow, massive fail, you should e-mail them, they will likely be interested in hearing from you..

Kurd
10-10-2015, 02:35 PM
It looks like E Asian, SSA, and E African is lumped into the category "Other'.. Maybe a way of reducing queries from members.....or maybe not after seeing Zeph's results:confused:

http://i.imgur.com/JeaF0XW.jpg

anglesqueville
10-10-2015, 02:42 PM
We do need more informations from their staff. Just an example of a problem (perhaps not very important): France appears on certain maps in North-central Euro, on others in South-western. Perhaps (only a guess) they, as many calculators, distinguish northern-France and southern, with a borderline on the 45th parallel. In any case they should tell it. But their site is not at all informative. Maybe it's coming....
Evon, did you get results for you and your family? I'm interested by your north-eastern amount...

Erik
10-10-2015, 02:43 PM
Here are my results:

https://i.hizliresim.com/l9Ll9J.png


Well, now I know my African admixture is definitely not noise. LMAO

http://s4.postimg.org/yzq75pyil/DNA_Land_Ancestry_Composition_and_Ancestry_Map.png

So... SSA, Melanesian, and SW Euro. Is there something that you're not telling us, Zeph? :P

I was expecting you to be Caucasian, Middle Eastern, Ashkenazi/Levantine, and maybe Southern European. But this, this is a surprise :biggrin1:

evon
10-10-2015, 02:47 PM
It looks like E Asian, SSA, and E African is lumped into the category "Other'.. Maybe a way of reducing queries from members.....or maybe not after seeing Zeph's results:confused:


Interesting results, wish they had a list of all the various components somewhere? Seems they are better for Asians then Europeans so far at least.

Mine contrasted with FTDNA and 23andme:
http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp207/vulcanphoto/trio.png

DMXX
10-10-2015, 03:09 PM
Sure there isn't a George Cloney behind the name choice? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrowland_(film))

(I'll post some results later, assuming you guys haven't successfully lobbied for my admin demotion on account of that awful, awful joke by then :D )

ZephyrousMandaru
10-10-2015, 03:12 PM
Maybe it's because I uploaded an older raw data file from an earlier build. Specifically one from the Ancestry Painting 2.0 era, maybe if I download a fresh copy and upload it again, it'll give me more accurate results.

Arslan
10-10-2015, 03:13 PM
Looks like Central Asia is not the component it pretends to be, but more like Gedrosia/Baloch/South Central Asia? Am I wrong?

Arslan
10-10-2015, 03:16 PM
http://i.imgur.com/ktWzJK0.png

http://i.imgur.com/roN9eD6.png

Gil Vicente
10-10-2015, 03:17 PM
I was expecting Southwest European to be top. And north african has never been as high:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/s30wwm.jpg

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2mkc5d.jpg

Also not sure about what is "South European" on other runs. Don't know what it could translate into 21%.

can't_lurk_no_mo'
10-10-2015, 03:31 PM
Is the calculator and corresponding graphic all DNA Land gives you? For some reason the title DNA Land reminds me of Pinocchio's Land of Toys. Are they going to turn us into donkeys?

Kurd
10-10-2015, 03:33 PM
Looks like Central Asia is not the component it pretends to be, but more like Gedrosia/Baloch/South Central Asia?

It does look like Central Asian component is Balochi heavy but not entirely defined by it. My score of 39.5%, which falls between Kaido and Khanabadoshi suggests, that the component also scores decently in some C Asian population, maybe Uzbek, something that Khana scores more than me in, otherwise, if it is narrowly defined by Balochi only, my score would have been likely a little higher

rms2
10-10-2015, 03:39 PM
I just saw this thread this morning. I went ahead, signed up, and uploaded my Family Finder raw data. Awaiting the outcome now. Should be interesting.

Kaido
10-10-2015, 03:44 PM
Central Asian (37.5%)
South Asian (34.27%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (12.17%)
North/east European (8.11%)
Ashkenazi/Levantine (5.64%)
Other (2.31%)
:)

My mother

Central Asian (56.17%)
South Asian (23.89%)
North/east European (6.42%)
Other (13.52%)

We get quite different results here but on most other calculators our results are all but identical.

khanabadoshi
10-10-2015, 03:51 PM
Added my ftdna data, interesting to compare.

khanabadoshi
10-10-2015, 04:03 PM
It does look like Central Asian component is Balochi heavy but not entirely defined by it. My score of 39.5%, which falls between Kaido and Khanabadoshi suggests, that the component also scores decently in some C Asian population, maybe Uzbek, something that Khana scores more than me in, otherwise, if it is narrowly defined by Balochi only, my score would have been likely a little higher

They most certainly define Central and South Asia differently than Ftdna -- on there I am 58% Central Asian and 27% South Asian, respectively.

Dr_McNinja
10-10-2015, 04:03 PM
Are you guys uploading the plain text .TXT (23andMe) and .CSV (FTDNA) files or the zipped versions? I uploaded my 23andMe text file and it says processing...

Dr_McNinja
10-10-2015, 04:04 PM
They most certainly define Central and South Asia differently than Ftdna -- on there I am 58% Central Asian and 27% South Asian, respectively.
FTDNA Central Asian is Afghanistan so this probably has less South Asian in it.

Coldmountains
10-10-2015, 04:04 PM
It does look like Central Asian component is Balochi heavy but not entirely defined by it. My score of 39.5%, which falls between Kaido and Khanabadoshi suggests, that the component also scores decently in some C Asian population, maybe Uzbek, something that Khana scores more than me in, otherwise, if it is narrowly defined by Balochi only, my score would have been likely a little higher

Don't think so my afghan pashtun ancestry is somewhat Afghan Uzbek/Tajik- like according to most calculators ( but some interpret is also as Baloch-like ) and I don't score so much of it but maybe my mixed ancestry is screwing the results. This site is just good for fun and very amateurish in my opinion. All gedmatch calculators are better than that and someone of very mixed ancestry like me gets not accurate results there for sure.

Stephen1986
10-10-2015, 04:05 PM
Here's the results for my brother and myself, for our 23andMe data. I might add other companies as well.

Here's mine -


http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae239/quotablepatella/myancestry_zpsekefh4pa.png (http://s975.photobucket.com/user/quotablepatella/media/myancestry_zpsekefh4pa.png.html)

Here's my brother's, which is unusual for him as his are less diverse than mine are, plus he usually gets components from further south and east -

http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae239/quotablepatella/brotherancestry_zpshzxxf3u8.png (http://s975.photobucket.com/user/quotablepatella/media/brotherancestry_zpshzxxf3u8.png.html)

Gil Vicente
10-10-2015, 04:11 PM
Are you guys uploading the plain text .TXT (23andMe) and .CSV (FTDNA) files or the zipped versions? I uploaded my 23andMe text file and it says processing...

Zipped version.

Varun R
10-10-2015, 04:14 PM
South Asian- 68.03%
Central Asian- 23.39%
North/ central European- 7.4%
Other- 1.18%

khanabadoshi
10-10-2015, 04:17 PM
Are you guys uploading the plain text .TXT (23andMe) and .CSV (FTDNA) files or the zipped versions? I uploaded my 23andMe text file and it says processing...
Yes, unzipped. It takes about 2 hours.
Edit. Looks like others uploaded zipped. I didnt.

star rider
10-10-2015, 04:28 PM
Here's Mine

East Asian (47.81%)
North/Central European (42.72)
Other (9.47%)

Dr_McNinja
10-10-2015, 04:40 PM
My mother

Central Asian (56.17%)
South Asian (23.89%)
North/east European (6.42%)
Other (13.52%)

We get quite different results here but on most other calculators our results are all but identical.

Were you both tested on the same company/platform?

Sikeliot
10-10-2015, 04:49 PM
Does DNALand have a cutoff of 5%, and anything lower gets put into "other"?

VelvetNono
10-10-2015, 04:59 PM
http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah190/NakoSapo/Ancestry%20Composition_zps8soytvrn.png (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/NakoSapo/media/Ancestry%20Composition_zps8soytvrn.png.html)
http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah190/NakoSapo/DNA%20Lands%20Ancestry%20Map_zps6vhw1ynp.png (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/NakoSapo/media/DNA%20Lands%20Ancestry%20Map_zps6vhw1ynp.png.html)

I'm curious about the Central Asian component. How do they calculate it? Afghanistan is listed in South Asia in this map.


South Asian- 68.03%
Central Asian- 23.39%
North/ central European- 7.4%
Other- 1.18%

Interesting, normally I get a higher Euro score than you in the GEDmatch Calculators.

Rukha
10-10-2015, 05:06 PM
My results:

Central Asian (61.69%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (18.51%)
North/central European (10%)
South Asian (5.58%)
Other (4.22%)

Kaido
10-10-2015, 05:08 PM
Were you both tested on the same company/platform?

Yep, both on 23andme's v4 chip.

khanabadoshi
10-10-2015, 05:10 PM
Does DNALand have a cutoff of 5%, and anything lower gets put into "other"?

It sure seems like it.

Táltos
10-10-2015, 05:11 PM
North/east European-35.92%
Southern European-33.19%
North/Central European-25.18%
Other-5.71%

Surprisingly this is the first time I don't get any Middle Eastern or Jewish in my results. Though my Southern European is more than usual. The component with Eastern European in it is a little lower than what I would usually get. I'm at least half. Now what goes into that OTHER category? I wonder if they will tell us.

I can't wait to see how they label my Jewish matches in the chromosome browser. Ancient maybe?

Gedmatch is better. This is more for research, but a nice way to entice us to help them out. Having Cece Moore as a consultant helped to make me feel comfortable to send my data. I probably won't send anymore of the kits I manage, except maybe my mom's.

bored
10-10-2015, 05:26 PM
I got weird results. Every other South Asian got a Euro component except me it seems. I get Turkish-Iranian-Caucasian.

Central Asian = 46.45%
South Asian = 40.69%
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasian = 5.57%
Other = 7.29%

kenji.aryan
10-10-2015, 05:32 PM
I got weird results. Every other South Asian got a Euro component except me it seems. I get Turkish-Iranian-Caucasian.

Central Asian = 46.45%
South Asian = 40.69%
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasian = 5.57%
Other = 7.29%

Your results looks closer to Khana.

bored
10-10-2015, 05:42 PM
Your results looks closer to Khana.

Well we get the same components.

MonkeyDLuffy
10-10-2015, 05:52 PM
Central Asian = 51.7%
South Asian = 37.55%
North east european = 8.08%
Other = 2.67%

Awale
10-10-2015, 06:06 PM
After seeing Zeph's result I was expecting something hilariously wacky for me but this actually... Seems alright:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/33xc8ih.jpg

MikeWhalen
10-10-2015, 06:06 PM
just uploaded my 23&me v.1...looking forward to seeing this new tool

fyi, i uploaded my zipped file, took less than a minute for them to get it all

Mike

Táltos
10-10-2015, 06:07 PM
If anyone is on Facebook's ISOGG group conversation about DNA Land is https://www.facebook.com/groups/isogg/10153727922377922/?notif_t=group_comment_reply Just in case you missed it. :)

Interesting comment by Ann Turner
Erlich has a collaboration agreement with MyHeritage. CeCe Moore, based on what you've seen so far, do you see any potential for a universal family tree developing out of this?

CeCe Moore responded
Yes!

Dr_McNinja
10-10-2015, 06:22 PM
Will they send an e-mail when the results are finished or should I check in later?

Stephen1986
10-10-2015, 06:26 PM
I didn't receive an email telling me that my results were in, so you might need to check after a few hours.

MonkeyDLuffy
10-10-2015, 06:28 PM
Check it later. They had my results in about 4 hours.

That feel no Middle east blood in me:

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/006/077/so_good.png

bored
10-10-2015, 06:34 PM
Check it later. They had my results in about 4 hours.

That feel no Middle east blood in me:

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/006/077/so_good.png

Wtf is he doing? :puke: :sick:

bored
10-10-2015, 06:39 PM
Ancestry Map

http://i.imgur.com/OFxHXhs.png

surbakhunWeesste
10-10-2015, 07:18 PM
Central Asian (61.63%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (21.94%)
North/central European (7.45%)
South Asian (6.17%)
Other (2.81%)

Dad's. Looking at the result not sure if I wanna do mine or mum's.

surbakhunWeesste
10-10-2015, 07:19 PM
Double post.

Awale
10-10-2015, 07:22 PM
I didn't receive an email telling me that my results were in, so you might need to check after a few hours.

Yep, no email for me... Just checked back after a few hours and my results were ready.

jesus
10-10-2015, 07:27 PM
Ancestry Composition

Central Asian (31.2%)
Ashkenazi/Levantine (25.85%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (15.29%)
Near Eastern (12.89%)
South Asian (9.36%)
Other (5.41%)

My sister's results, she gets almost identical results to mine in 23andme and Gedmatch.

Central Asian (38.69%)
Ashkenazi/Levantine (13.4%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (12.62%)
Near Eastern (12.18%)
South European (12.07%)
East African (5.34%)
Other (5.7%)

surbakhunWeesste
10-10-2015, 07:27 PM
Wtf is he doing? :puke: :sick:

I think, since he can't grow beard, he finally feels it from deep inside.

crossover
10-10-2015, 07:42 PM
my moms results (not sure if i wanna upload my aunt, both grandpas, or great great uncle yet)
Native American (34.61%)
South European (28.15%)
Southwestern European (23.59%)
Other (13.65%)

surbakhunWeesste
10-10-2015, 07:50 PM
My sister's results, she gets almost identical results to mine in 23andme and Gedmatch.


Quote Originally Posted by jesus
Ancestry Composition

Central Asian (31.2%)
Ashkenazi/Levantine (25.85%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (15.29%)
Near Eastern (12.89%)
South Asian (9.36%)
Other (5.41%)

Central Asian (38.69%)
Ashkenazi/Levantine (13.4%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (12.62%)
Near Eastern (12.18%)
South European (12.07%)
East African (5.34%)
Other (5.7%)

:bounce: Kalash high...where did you 5% African go? Its like one of those cases; when my cousin got Syrian as their first pop.

crossover
10-10-2015, 08:05 PM
has anyone got a higher 'other' percentage than my mom?

crossover
10-10-2015, 08:16 PM
It sure seems like it.
idk about that, my mom got 13.65% other

khanabadoshi
10-10-2015, 08:22 PM
idk about that, my mom got 13.65% other

I think it's the sum total of all individual components that one scores less than 5% in? That's my guess at least. I, myself, am ~7% Other.

MonkeyDLuffy
10-10-2015, 08:33 PM
I got weird results. Every other South Asian got a Euro component except me it seems. I get Turkish-Iranian-Caucasian.

Central Asian = 46.45%
South Asian = 40.69%
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasian = 5.57%
Other = 7.29%

I bet sapporo will get both turkish iranian caucasian and euro.

bored
10-10-2015, 08:34 PM
I bet sapporo will get both turkish iranian caucasian and euro.

I think he will only get Northern Euro. Kenji might get Iranian-Turkish-Caucasian.

crossover
10-10-2015, 08:43 PM
I think it's the sum total of all individual components that one scores less than 5% in? That's my guess at least. I, myself, am ~7% Other.

maybe then the small noise level east african that shows up on ftdna and some gedmatch calculators is why her ssa wasn't included. i guess that's why her west asian percentages on ancestry (4%ME + 4%caucasus)didn't show up either. funnily enough ancestry's estimated '12% brittish' or ftdna's "21% west/central europe" isn't even shown/reflected in her dna.land results.

i can't help but wonder if my grandpa's(mom's dad) '12% ME' from ancestry will show up or not. i'll probably make another account for him out of curiosity.

firemonkey
10-10-2015, 09:15 PM
Not impressed by vague "other" category and the fact that anything under 5% seems to be placed there. Minor admixture that is not noise
could be missed. Surely the threshold for not being placed in there should be lowered to 1-2%?

evon
10-10-2015, 10:43 PM
Have started to see some patterns for my grandmothers matches, two Romani related cousins so far, but the majority of our matches are still OpenSNP matches and not participants...My guess is the processing time has gone up due to the influx of new participants, which should mean that our lists will change accordingly, and I have been told that they will expand beyond the 20 matches, as this was just to get it up and running, think they were overwhelmed by the numbers, one of the creators slept in the office last night, which says it all...

Ann Turner
10-10-2015, 11:51 PM
My known ancestry is 3/16 German and 1/16 Irish from immigrants to the US in the early 1800's, with the remaining being Colonial American and therefore probably English. I get a surprising amount of South Asian (8.6%) and the highest "other" that I've seen (15.13%). My 23andMe results are the best match to my known ancestry.

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Ann Turner
10-10-2015, 11:54 PM
I consulted with Mike Cariaso about uploading the imputed VCF file to http://promethease.com, and he's just tweeted that he's now ready to handle them. The web page has not been updated yet, but it will take about 2.5 hours to run (vs 15-20 minutes), and he will be charging $10 because of the extra processing time. You might also expect to spend some wait time in the queue if everyone does this at once!

rms2
10-11-2015, 12:00 AM
At about 11:30 this morning I uploaded my csv file from FTDNA per DNA.LAND's instructions, and I am still waiting for the results.

Name Status
Find Relatives In Progress
(Please allow up to 48 hours for relative-matching results)
Ancestry Report In Progress
(Please allow up to 24 hours for imputation results)

leonardo
10-11-2015, 12:09 AM
North/central European (51.99%)
South European (23.46%)
North/east European (16.47%)
Southwestern European (7.37%)
Other (0.71%)

I have submitted my mother's results as well.

MitchellSince1893
10-11-2015, 12:18 AM
At about 11:30 this morning I uploaded my csv file from FTDNA per DNA.LAND's instructions, and I am still waiting for the results.

Name Status
Find Relatives In Progress
(Please allow up to 48 hours for relative-matching results)
Ancestry Report In Progress
(Please allow up to 24 hours for imputation results)

At most I'm 30 mins ahead of you...submitted 23andme file and still waiting.

David Mc
10-11-2015, 12:20 AM
North/central European (51.99%)
South European (23.46%)
North/east European (16.47%)
Southwestern European (7.37%)
Other (0.71%)

I have submitted my mother's results as well.

I'm an hour behind, so I guess I've got a good while to wait still.

Dr_McNinja
10-11-2015, 12:27 AM
At about 11:30 this morning I uploaded my csv file from FTDNA per DNA.LAND's instructions, and I am still waiting for the results.

Name Status
Find Relatives In Progress
(Please allow up to 48 hours for relative-matching results)
Ancestry Report In Progress
(Please allow up to 24 hours for imputation results)

Same here. Guess they got swamped today.

MikeWhalen
10-11-2015, 01:03 AM
several hours later and no results so I think they are getting bogged down with all the traffic
I believe the story of staff staying overnight to try to help...I know when I first started typing my first entry on this thread it was 'on' page 6, by the time I was finished (and it was only a few lines) it was 'on' page 8 and just a few minutes later, it was up to 10 pages, so if that is any indication as word got out....

in DNA genealogy, I learned a long time ago, it is never a sprint, no matter how much you wish it was...it is, in fact, a marathon, sometimes run in mud and uphill all the way.

Mike

David Mc
10-11-2015, 01:24 AM
I hope they don't read our comments as complaints. The webpage clearly states that it can take up to 24 hours for ancestral results and up to 48 hours for familial matches. Those who got in early reaped the rewards of receiving their results earlier. Like most, I probably can't help hoping I'm still ahead of the longer wait times.

BalkanKiwi
10-11-2015, 01:37 AM
The suspense builds.

MitchellSince1893
10-11-2015, 01:42 AM
As I await my results I noticed my "Contribution Compared to Other Users" has decreased from 73% to 72%

Hey I'm doing my best! :biggrin1:

jbarry6899
10-11-2015, 02:06 AM
several hours later and no results so I think they are getting bogged down with all the traffic

Mike

When I uploaded my file last evening there were 700 members. When I uploaded my cousin's about an hour ago the count was up to more than 2700.

BalkanKiwi
10-11-2015, 02:30 AM
They now know the genetic genealogy community is an impatient and hungry bunch. As soon as a new ancestry composition calculator is released, especially a free one, it won't take long for everyone to sign up.

Dr_McNinja
10-11-2015, 03:01 AM
They now know the genetic genealogy community is an impatient and hungry bunch. As soon as a new ancestry composition calculator is released, especially a free one, it won't take long for everyone to sign up.

Calculator addiction, a very real thing. :behindsofa:

rivergirl
10-11-2015, 03:51 AM
If anyone is on Facebook's ISOGG group conversation about DNA Land is https://www.facebook.com/groups/isogg/10153727922377922/?notif_t=group_comment_reply Just in case you missed it. :)

Interesting comment by Ann Turner

CeCe Moore responded

Saw this posted on U106 yahoo group
http://www.nature.com/news/scientists-hope-to-attract-millions-to-dna-land-1.18514?WT.mc_id=TWT_NatureNews

With links to Y Erlichs 13 million people family tree
http://www.nature.com/news/genome-hacker-uncovers-largest-ever-family-tree-1.14037

What sort of private information do you have to give these guys.
Do you have to give your parents names and dates of birth.
How secure is your and your family members. privacy??????

C J Wyatt III
10-11-2015, 04:12 AM
Who has relatives yet? I uploaded FTDNA kits for my mother and me about 24 hours ago. When I checked recently, DNA.Land had returned my mother's top twenty relatives. Considering how small the base is now, I think that is pretty damn good to get at least twenty.

Relationship degree for the twenty top matches ranged from 6 - 7 (e.g. 2nd cousin once removed - third cousin).

Jack Wyatt

XooR
10-11-2015, 04:39 AM
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (75.95%)
South European (17.5%)
Ashkenazi/Levantine (6.25%)
Other (0.3%)

6253Ancestry Composition

MitchellSince1893
10-11-2015, 05:26 AM
As I await my results I noticed my "Contribution Compared to Other Users" has decreased from 73% to 72%

Hey I'm doing my best! :biggrin1:

Update: Down to 71% Contribution Compared to Other Users. I guess my percentage drops as more kits are completed and mine is still processing.

Sangarius
10-11-2015, 06:15 AM
I've received my Relative Finder results and those of my grandparents, too. But their Ancestry Compositions are still processing.
The relative list is currently limited to 20 entries. Their relationship estimations are different from gedmatch, FTDNA and 23andme.
The Total Shared Length (cM) with matches is much larger and consequently the relationship ranges are closer. The smallest amount I share with a relative on my list is 61cM.
I think the imputation might have something to do with it.

khanabadoshi
10-11-2015, 06:33 AM
Central Asian (44.9%)
South Asian (35.79%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (11.82%)
Other (7.49%)


FTDNA RESULTS -- slightly different:

https://i.gyazo.com/959c9c2fc5556ac34ca5addbe953673c.png
https://i.gyazo.com/0850ea6ccf61fc0f33ddde2649b62a95.png

BalkanKiwi
10-11-2015, 06:37 AM
FTDNA RESULTS -- slightly different:

https://i.gyazo.com/959c9c2fc5556ac34ca5addbe953673c.png
https://i.gyazo.com/0850ea6ccf61fc0f33ddde2649b62a95.png

Seems legit for your ancestry.

MacUalraig
10-11-2015, 07:00 AM
Got mine overnight:

North/central European (86.33%)
Southwestern European (10.72%)
Other (2.95%)

Coldmountains
10-11-2015, 07:05 AM
Lol I uploaded myself twice with 23andme data and got different results:P The results seem to be random.

anglesqueville
10-11-2015, 07:42 AM
I would like to see Ancients analysed with DNA-Land. I was tempted to upload some ancients ftdna datas (the are many available on the site of Felix Immanuel). But that would not be very correct to do this behind the backs of the guys of DL (and of Felix). Does anybody on here know someone inside their staff?

E_M81_I3A
10-11-2015, 07:56 AM
My results (23andme data):

Southwestern European (22.83%)
South European (22.06%)
North/east European (6.07%)
North/central European (5.75%)

Ashkenazi/Levantine (20.86%)
North African (15.14%)

Other (7.29%)

Not really interesting... I think that, except maybe for adoptees or people from New World, all these calculators that use only modern populations are now obsolete and useless.

firemonkey
10-11-2015, 08:01 AM
Have got Find relatives but not ancestry report for FTDNA upload. Looking at matches something seems to be off. For example matches (2) for one person on Gedmatch both Total cM 10.2 longest cM 10.2 but on DNA land it's long shared segments 31 Total shared length 119.99.

Caspian
10-11-2015, 08:06 AM
My results.
http://oi62.tinypic.com/dejvr.jpg

anglesqueville
10-11-2015, 08:20 AM
Coldmountains:
Very interesting. Could you post the two results on here for comparison?

Afshar
10-11-2015, 08:25 AM
Are the ones with matches also having the match in gedmatch

kenji.aryan
10-11-2015, 08:35 AM
So,

SOUTH ASIA includes- India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.
CENTRAL ASIA- Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan.

Arnfried
10-11-2015, 08:48 AM
Hi,

my results with my 23andMe raw data:

6256

Not really interesting, but it confirms others calculators. France (where I'm from) is southwestern euro or nord/central euro?

I guess my native admixture is hidden in 'Other', as my little middle-eastern component.
Do someone know which sample was used for determine the nord/central euro cluster?

Hope some improvements :-)

surbakhunWeesste
10-11-2015, 08:48 AM
So,

SOUTH ASIA includes- India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.
CENTRAL ASIA- Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan.

Really? So, what about Turkmenistan?

BalkanKiwi
10-11-2015, 08:49 AM
Lol I uploaded myself twice with 23andme data and got different results:P The results seem to be random.

A long wait for something random.

anglesqueville
10-11-2015, 08:49 AM
http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2015/10/dnaland-launches.html Don't recall if this info has yet been posted on here. Two times are better than none...

kenji.aryan
10-11-2015, 08:53 AM
Really? So, what about Turkmenistan?

That's what DNA LAND Ancestry map says and Turkmenistan is in Central asia too.

Coldmountains
10-11-2015, 08:56 AM
A long wait for something random.

Upload your data twice and you will see what I mean.

David Mc
10-11-2015, 09:04 AM
My results came in:

6257

That makes for a fairly high north/central European, which is no surprise, given my background. Odd that I'm given 7% other. Again, what does "other" mean? I wonder if they're still trying to refine some of the diagnostics and aren't ready to commit fully. I seem to have cropped a little too high on the map, but there's a small blue mark somewhere around French Guiana, which makes no sense at all... maybe that's where the analysis is hazy. My family is entirely British.

E_M81_I3A
10-11-2015, 09:05 AM
My results (23andme data):

Southwestern European (22.83%)
South European (22.06%)
North/east European (6.07%)
North/central European (5.75%)

Ashkenazi/Levantine (20.86%)
North African (15.14%)

Other (7.29%)

Not really interesting... I think that, except maybe for adoptees or people from New World, all these calculators that use only modern populations are now obsolete and useless.


My results using FTDna data (they look very different):

Southwestern European (22.07%)
North/central European (15.47%)

Ashkenazi/Levantine (34.83%)
North African (15.5%)

West African (5.09%)

Other (7.04%)

anglesqueville
10-11-2015, 09:22 AM
Coldmountains: go for the experiment!

Arnfried
10-11-2015, 09:28 AM
I uploaded my FTDNA's results too. I hope it will not be so different...

An Oracle would be the welcome.

Cinnamon orange
10-11-2015, 09:37 AM
My known ancestry is 3/16 German and 1/16 Irish from immigrants to the US in the early 1800's, with the remaining being Colonial American and therefore probably English. I get a surprising amount of South Asian (8.6%) and the highest "other" that I've seen (15.13%). My 23andMe results are the best match to my known ancestry.

6250

Have you gotten South Asian before on 23andme or other tests? Interesting, as I think on Gedmatch, some Brits or people of British descent show atypical South Asian, which has been mentioned to relate to a high Balouch and probably ancient.

Do you know if any of your German side were in Eastern Europe?

BalkanKiwi
10-11-2015, 09:49 AM
Upload your data twice and you will see what I mean.

I've been waiting almost 12 hours just to receive my first lot :behindsofa:

Shaikorth
10-11-2015, 09:58 AM
If odd results from FtDNA data, 23andMe v1 etc. are consistent it may be a sign that this may be optimized for 23andMe v3.

Stellaritic
10-11-2015, 09:58 AM
I am too lazy to take a screenshot .
Here are my results :

North African (47.01%)
Near Eastern (27.84%)
Ashkenazi/Levantine (9.25%)
West African (6.3%)
Other (9.6%)

evon
10-11-2015, 10:22 AM
If odd results from FtDNA data, 23andMe v1 etc. are consistent it may be a sign that this may be optimized for 23andMe v3.

It is also worth noting that they use build 37, some FTDNA costumers might be uploading build 36 and getting off results. I noted that admixture calculation time for FTDNA costumers is double that of 23andme, as I am still waiting for my mother and grand uncle, so there might be some issues there, I uploaded the correct build 37 though..The relative list is loaded for all relatives however and it has changed radically in the last 12 hours, all the OpenSNP matches have been swapped for newly arrived participants..So things are going forward..

rms2
10-11-2015, 11:07 AM
My results came in:

6257

That makes for a fairly high north/central European, which is no surprise, given my background. Odd that I'm given 7% other. Again, what does "other" mean? I wonder if they're still trying to refine some of the diagnostics and aren't ready to commit fully. I seem to have cropped a little too high on the map, but there's a small blue mark somewhere around French Guiana, which makes no sense at all... maybe that's where the analysis is hazy. My family is entirely British.

I got that same little blue dot, and it also makes no sense for me. Here are my results, 95.78% North Central European, 4.22% "Other". I am wondering what the Other could be.

6258

Tolan
10-11-2015, 11:21 AM
I got that same little blue dot, and it also makes no sense for me. Here are my results, 95.78% North Central European, 4.22% "Other". I am wondering what the Other could be.

6258

"other" is probably because common to at least two components, and therefore can not be assigned to one component

ArmandoR1b
10-11-2015, 11:29 AM
I'm not liking what I am seeing from what everyone is posting. Too many Europeans getting too much "Other" and the southern European isn't broken down into Iberian, Italian, and Balkan like it is at 23andme. If it doesn't improve then I will continue to consider 23andme to be the best ethnicity calculator for Europeans.

paulgill
10-11-2015, 11:29 AM
Ancestry Report for Paul Gill
Ancestry Composition

Central Asian (58.61%)

South Asian (28.64%)

North/central European (11.01%)

Other (1.74%)

ArmandoR1b
10-11-2015, 11:30 AM
I am too lazy to take a screenshot .
Here are my results :

North African (47.01%)
Near Eastern (27.84%)
Ashkenazi/Levantine (9.25%)
West African (6.3%)
Other (9.6%)

What are your thoughts on the results compared to other calculators?

DMXX
10-11-2015, 11:46 AM
Lol I uploaded myself twice with 23andme data and got different results:P The results seem to be random.

How different are the two sets of results?

Either way, I suspect it has something to do with their imputation procedure.

Coldmountains
10-11-2015, 11:55 AM
How different are the two sets of results?

Either way, I suspect it has something to do with their imputation procedure.

I get 75% NE Euro in the first and 50% NE Euro for the second for example. And entirely different components. Other should also upload their data twice and compare it to see if it is caused by my very mixed ancestry or just a major bug/glitch of their calculator.

DMXX
10-11-2015, 12:05 PM
That's one hell of a discrepancy. Might be a good idea to contact them and see why their algorithm is behaving this way.

anglesqueville
10-11-2015, 12:09 PM
How different are the two sets of results?

Either way, I suspect it has something to do with their imputation procedure.

Me too. In the abstract it would be easy to verify, as we just have to compare the two VCF files. There are several programs for converting a VCF into an xls. This being done, just a little R script and go! But i guess that there is a big problem: the files are huge. If you have a very very powerfull computer with a looooot or RAM, I can write the scrip for you. On my own matérial I don't even imagine trying this.

I'm waiting the results for my genetical double. Two hours passed, it seems to take more time than yesterday. Many people more during the night I guess...

Shaikorth
10-11-2015, 12:22 PM
I get 75% NE Euro in the first and 50% NE Euro for the second for example. And entirely different components. Other should also upload their data twice and compare it to see if it is caused by my very mixed ancestry or just a major bug/glitch of their calculator.

Are the other components sorted out in a way that would make the end results similar, like clustering around a single location in an Eurasian PCA?

VelvetNono
10-11-2015, 12:23 PM
23andMe's DNA Land results:
Central Asian (64.8%)
South Asian (12.14%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (11.43%)
North/east European (6.45%)
Other (5.18%)

I've also have uploaded my FTDNA and AncestryDNA raw data, and I got somewhat different results:

FTDNA's DNA Land results:
Central Asian (64.92%)
South Asian (12.48%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (12.23%)
Other (10.37%)

AncestryDNA's DNA Land results:
Central Asian (62.83%)
South Asian (14.49%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (10.56%)
Other (12.12%)

So in these results, my NE Euro is gone and my "Other" result has significantly increased. It's strange that in my FTDNA results, it shows that I've 8% European ancestry. However, while using the FTDNA's raw data package for DNA Land, it doesn't showed any. I think that the 23andMe DNA Land results is the most accurate result for me since it has the least amount of "Other" compared to the other two results. I also think that the GEDmatch calculators are more accurate of my ancestry compared to DNA Land but I don't know. I going to take these results from DNA Land with a grain of salt.

Shaikorth
10-11-2015, 12:34 PM
23andMe's DNA Land results:
Central Asian (64.8%)
South Asian (12.14%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (11.43%)
North/east European (6.45%)
Other (5.18%)

I've also have uploaded my FTDNA and AncestryDNA raw data, and I got somewhat different results:

FTDNA's DNA Land results:
Central Asian (64.92%)
South Asian (12.48%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (12.23%)
Other (10.37%)

AncestryDNA's DNA Land results:
Central Asian (62.83%)
South Asian (14.49%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (10.56%)
Other (12.12%)

So in these results, my NE Euro is gone and my "Other" result has significantly increased. It's strange that in my FTDNA results, it shows that I've 8% European ancestry. However, while using the FTDNA's raw data package for DNA Land, it doesn't showed any. I think that the 23andMe DNA Land results is the most accurate result for me since it has the least amount of "Other" compared to the other two results. I also think that the GEDmatch calculators are more accurate of my ancestry compared to DNA Land but I don't know. I going to take these results from DNA Land with a grain of salt.

Other = everything <5% combined? The small variation between the datasets would then push your NE euro there.

evon
10-11-2015, 01:06 PM
23andMe's DNA Land results:
Central Asian (64.8%)
South Asian (12.14%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (11.43%)
North/east European (6.45%)
Other (5.18%)

I've also have uploaded my FTDNA and AncestryDNA raw data, and I got somewhat different results:

FTDNA's DNA Land results:
Central Asian (64.92%)
South Asian (12.48%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (12.23%)
Other (10.37%)

AncestryDNA's DNA Land results:
Central Asian (62.83%)
South Asian (14.49%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (10.56%)
Other (12.12%)

So in these results, my NE Euro is gone and my "Other" result has significantly increased. It's strange that in my FTDNA results, it shows that I've 8% European ancestry. However, while using the FTDNA's raw data package for DNA Land, it doesn't showed any. I think that the 23andMe DNA Land results is the most accurate result for me since it has the least amount of "Other" compared to the other two results. I also think that the GEDmatch calculators are more accurate of my ancestry compared to DNA Land but I don't know. I going to take these results from DNA Land with a grain of salt.

Did you remember to upload build 37 and not build 36?

C J Wyatt III
10-11-2015, 01:18 PM
Did you remember to upload build 37 and not build 36?

You would think that is something which the programmer could check. What I wonder is whether the creators anticipated that people would be uploading more than one kit for themselves. I would have expected some guidance on what is the preferred version if one has more that one kit.

I'm a bit amazed at how members of Anthrogenica are so obsessed with calculators. Personally I think the real benefit of DNA.Land will be with the Relative Finder features.

Jack Wyatt

VelvetNono
10-11-2015, 01:19 PM
Did you remember to upload build 37 and not build 36?

Yes, I have. I followed the exact instructions that they provided. My Euro percentage I think should be higher than Varun R based on comparing his Gedmatch results with mine.

evon
10-11-2015, 01:24 PM
You would think that is something which the programmer could check. What I wonder is whether the creators anticipated that people would be uploading more than one kit for themselves. I would have expected some guidance on what is the preferred version if one has more that one kit.

I'm a bit amazed at how members of Anthrogenica are so obsessed with calculators. Personally I think the real benefit of DNA.Land will be with the Relative Finder features.

Jack Wyatt

It does say and give a step by step guidance to how you can find the correct build version, so if people upload build 36, then the fault is with them and not at DNA.Land.

I too find the relative feature more interesting, calculators are all flawed in that they are inherently centric in nature, so it is much better to go by matching segments rather then by admixture %, which can fluctuate and give false positives. However, I am still awaiting more info on how they have calculated the relative matches, as right now it seems they are using a somewhat similar methodology to FTDNA, but with a much lower threshold, so I would not take the assigned relationships too serious at this stage, but I am sure they will fix that, and I enjoy the site so far, impressive for a trail run..

evon
10-11-2015, 01:29 PM
Yes, I have. I followed the exact instructions that they provided. My Euro percentage I think should be higher than Varun R based on comparing his Gedmatch results with mine.

You should contact them regarding the discrepancy then, but bear in mind:


Dear All,

Thanks for using DNA.Land. We highly appreciate you being an early adopters and helping us improving the platform. We will put later today the answer for frequent technical questions. Please notice that we got many emails and questions. While we read all of them, being an academic lab, we don't have the stuff to answer every email in a timely manner.

We are very excited by interest in DNA.Land and are very fortunate to have you as early adopters.

Best,
Yaniv

and yesterday:

Thank you all for using DNA.Land. We are excited about your interest in our platform.

We've gotten many emails with technical questions about common issues with the website. Most of them fall into four categories:
1. Cannot click agree in the consent form.
2. Supporting multiple genomes per account.
3. Which genome data to upload if someone was tested with more than one company
4. Log-in issues

We are currently working on a help page to explain those issues. Thank you for being our early adopters. Your input is highly valuable for improving our platform.

So perhaps you should wait and see what they say...They are only three people behind I think, so they must be swamped with e-mails..

NK19191
10-11-2015, 01:40 PM
My Results :

Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (51.98%)
Central Asian (17.34%)
Ashkenazi/Levantine (17.12%)
Near Eastern (6.51%)
South Asian (6.41%)
Other (0.64%)

MitchellSince1893
10-11-2015, 01:45 PM
Here are my results and a comparison to FTDNA and 23andme results

6259

At least my "other" category was quite small.

haleaton
10-11-2015, 01:46 PM
Got my list of top 20 DNA matches and also an e-mail from one of them . . .

However, all but one are above 100 CM Shared Length and predicted to be 2nd 1R to 3rd cousins which seems to be a gross error.

I pretty much know the names of most of my 3rd and closer cousins and 100 CM is over twice as large as any match I have seen in GEDMATCH. Maybe they mean something different?

Results did come in less than 24 hours.

Táltos
10-11-2015, 02:02 PM
I received my match list over night. I don't think they are accurate. Predictions are way too close to any of the companies that I tested at, or GEDmatch. None of them even appear as my matches at any of those places either.

Almost all matches appear to be British or Irish. I only have one Eastern European match. None of the Jewish matches I usually get are not there. So I won't be contacting any of these matches as I don't think they are accurate. I'm not going to send my mom's data either.

My first five are all predicted 2 cousin once removed, and the rest are all predicted third cousins. Here's a screen shot of my top three matches.

6280


Can't tell if this is such a great pic right now. Sorry if it isn't. I'll try to put up a better one later.

Táltos
10-11-2015, 04:10 PM
My apologies everyone! I'm on my phone and I accidentally closed this thread after posting my last message. :embarrassed:

Dr_McNinja
10-11-2015, 04:16 PM
HRP0370 Afghan Pashtun

Central Asian (67.23%)
Ashkenazi/Levantine (12.07%)
North/east European (7.36%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (5.14%)
Other (8.2%)

(I'm assuming South Asian is under 'Other')

HRP0393 Haryana Jatt

HRP0393

Central Asian (41.97%)
South Asian (35.43%)
North/east European (12.41%)
North/central European (6.27%)
Other (3.92%)

HRP0402 Punjabi Jatt Muslim (Pahari/Pakistani)

Central Asian (59.29%)
South Asian (30.85%)
Other (9.86%)

Dr_McNinja
10-11-2015, 04:21 PM
My family's results are all over the place... even though we're usually very near each other in most calculators (because we're a pretty inbred bunch):

Me (FTDNA)

FTDNA

Central Asian (45.52%)
South Asian (44.39%)
North/central European (5.69%)
Other (4.4%)

Me (23andMe V3)

South Asian (46.56%)
Central Asian (41.24%)
North/central European (6.83%)
Other (5.37%)

Father (FTDNA)

South Asian (53.08%)
Central Asian (32.64%)
North/central European (8.65%)
Other (5.63%)

Mother (23andMe)

Central Asian (44.74%)
South Asian (42.21%)
Other (13.05%)

How my mom and I both have ~44% Central Asian and my dad has 32%, I don't know... My FTDNA raw data's Central Asian is higher than both parents.

Grandmother (Mother's Mother) (FTDNA)

Central Asian (49.63%)
South Asian (39.37%)
Other (11%)

Mom's First Cousin (AncestryDNA)

Central Asian (49.05%)
South Asian (41.94%)
North/central European (5.49%)
Other (3.52%)

My cousin and grandmother's results seem the most sensible, even though they both usually got the highest South Asian scores out of all of us. Could be that AncestryDNA raw data works better. My mom/dad and I usually have the higher Oceanian than my grandmother, but my cousin's Oceanian is also usually high so I don't really know.

Bleuteufel
10-11-2015, 04:26 PM
My results:

West African 39.10%
North / East European 27.77%
North / Central European 18.12%
East African 7.26%
Southwestern European 6.40%
Other 1.35%

Cascio
10-11-2015, 04:29 PM
How "Jewish" can the "Ashkenazi-Levantine" category be if it is found at a relatively high level of 17pc in an Iranian like NK19191 and 12pc in HRP0370 (Pashtun)?

haleaton
10-11-2015, 04:33 PM
I received my match list over night. I don't think they are accurate. Predictions are way too close to any of the companies that I tested at, or GEDmatch. None of them even appear as my matches at any of those places either.

Almost all matches appear to be British or Irish. I only have one Eastern European match. None of the Jewish matches I usually get are not there. So I won't be contacting any of these matches as I don't think they are accurate. I'm not going to send my mom's data either.

My first five are all predicted 2 cousin once removed, and the rest are all predicted third cousins. Here's a screen shot of my top three matches. 6260

Can't tell if this is such a great pic right now. Sorry if it isn't. I'll try to put up a better one later.

Most of my Top 20 can be found on GEDMATCH using the User Lookup by e-mail. DNA.Land's Top Twenty matches do not appear to be consistent with GEDMATCH or of any particular or obvious use.

However, this is a start for them.

ZephyrousMandaru
10-11-2015, 04:56 PM
Corrected results, I was right, it was related to an older 23andMe build I was using. Just a forewarning to others, you might want to download a new copy of your raw data from 23andMe, as Build 36 (which is an older build) and other older builds will give you inaccurate results.

http://s16.postimg.org/dp36q8i51/DNA_Land_Ancestry_Composition_and_Ancestry_Map.png

Lirio100
10-11-2015, 04:59 PM
North/central European 70.11
Ashkenazi/Levantine 13.88
North/east European 10.76
Other 4.65
6261

What's interesting is the NE European (the light blue) and the unassigned. I seem to have a bit that doesn't get classified reliably. Using the gedmatch K13 I get 1.56 Siberian with 23andme data, with FTDNA I get 1.44 Siberian along with .08 East Asian and .08 Amerindian. FTDNA Origins gives me 1% Central Asia. 23andme gives me .1 Sub Saharan Africa, which goes to 2.0 unassigned with the conservative view.

Cascio
10-11-2015, 05:11 PM
Corrected results, I was right, it was related to an older 23andMe build I was using. Just a forewarning to others, you might want to download a new copy of your raw data from 23andMe, as Build 36 (which is an older build) and other older builds will give you inaccurate results.

http://s16.postimg.org/dp36q8i51/DNA_Land_Ancestry_Composition_and_Ancestry_Map.png


Do you think the Ashkenazi Levantine category is Assyrian or Iranian in origin?

Sangarius
10-11-2015, 05:13 PM
Still waiting for the processing of my grandparents ancestry results. I uploaded them yesterday morning, so over 34 hours ago. Their relative finder results were already available this morning.

MacEochaidh
10-11-2015, 05:17 PM
Miles Kehoe Doherty:
Known ancestry is 75% Irish (nearly all from the north) and Scot and 25% French Canadian (mostly Breton)
6262
6263

Shaikorth
10-11-2015, 05:18 PM
Do you think the Ashkenazi Levantine category is Assyrian or Iranian in origin?

Just guesstimating here: A-Levantine peak = Druze, Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian = Georgians, Near Eastern = Bedouins?

Humanist
10-11-2015, 05:42 PM
Corrected results, I was right, it was related to an older 23andMe build I was using. Just a forewarning to others, you might want to download a new copy of your raw data from 23andMe, as Build 36 (which is an older build) and other older builds will give you inaccurate results.

http://s16.postimg.org/dp36q8i51/DNA_Land_Ancestry_Composition_and_Ancestry_Map.png

A bit misleading for some E European countries to appear on your map. Is that the "Askhenazi" portion? If so, the nature of the overlap with the Ashkenazim certainly is not E European in origin.

ZephyrousMandaru
10-11-2015, 05:49 PM
Do you think the Ashkenazi Levantine category is Assyrian or Iranian in origin?

Neither, both Assyrians and Iranians are modern populations. Ashkenazi/Levantine is probably just a generalized Eastern Mediterranean component. Which constitutes most of Southwest Asian. Near Eastern appears more Red Sea related.

VinceT
10-11-2015, 06:04 PM
No Irish or UK ancestry as far as I am aware, but I thought I'd through 23andMe and FTDNA's FF report as comparison:
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6265&stc=1http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6266&stc=1http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6267&stc=1

Dr_McNinja
10-11-2015, 06:09 PM
HRP0370 Afghan Pashtun

Central Asian (67.23%)
Ashkenazi/Levantine (12.07%)
North/east European (7.36%)
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (5.14%)
Other (8.2%)

(I'm assuming South Asian is under 'Other')

HRP0393 Haryana Jatt

HRP0393

Central Asian (41.97%)
South Asian (35.43%)
North/east European (12.41%)
North/central European (6.27%)
Other (3.92%)

HRP0402 Punjabi Jatt Muslim (Pahari/Pakistani)

Central Asian (59.29%)
South Asian (30.85%)
Other (9.86%)


My family's results are all over the place... even though we're usually very near each other in most calculators (because we're a pretty inbred bunch):

Me (FTDNA)

FTDNA

Central Asian (45.52%)
South Asian (44.39%)
North/central European (5.69%)
Other (4.4%)

Me (23andMe V3)

South Asian (46.56%)
Central Asian (41.24%)
North/central European (6.83%)
Other (5.37%)

Father (FTDNA)

South Asian (53.08%)
Central Asian (32.64%)
North/central European (8.65%)
Other (5.63%)

Mother (23andMe)

Central Asian (44.74%)
South Asian (42.21%)
Other (13.05%)

How my mom and I both have ~44% Central Asian and my dad has 32%, I don't know... My FTDNA raw data's Central Asian is higher than both parents.

Grandmother (Mother's Mother) (FTDNA)

Central Asian (49.63%)
South Asian (39.37%)
Other (11%)

Mom's First Cousin (AncestryDNA)

Central Asian (49.05%)
South Asian (41.94%)
North/central European (5.49%)
Other (3.52%)

My cousin and grandmother's results seem the most sensible, even though they both usually got the highest South Asian scores out of all of us. Could be that AncestryDNA raw data works better. My mom/dad and I usually have the higher Oceanian than my grandmother, but my cousin's Oceanian is also usually high so I don't really know.

Just realized there's a difference between North/east and North/central. My mom/grandmother's 11-13% "Other" is probably less than 5% of both and depending on which South Asians get, I bet "Other" includes trace amounts of another European component. Especially since Northeast is probably supposed to show up.

Northeast is also probably close to Central Asian.

evon
10-11-2015, 06:12 PM
Corrected results, I was right, it was related to an older 23andMe build I was using. Just a forewarning to others, you might want to download a new copy of your raw data from 23andMe, as Build 36 (which is an older build) and other older builds will give you inaccurate results.


How old? as I used 23andme data from 2013, should I re-upload with fresh files?

anglesqueville
10-11-2015, 06:19 PM
In the afternoon I uploaded my datas again, under another name (Jean Liot, one of my gr-gr-gathers... The french Big Brother can try to justice him if he wants!) Here are "our results":

6268 6269

For me it's consistent. I have a good perception of this site. Serious academic background, reasonable goals, nice layout, and ..... they don't make money with us.

bored
10-11-2015, 06:20 PM
Looks like Khana and I are the only South Asians who get Turkish-Iranian-Caucasian. We're also ye only ones who don't get any Euro. I'd have thought that some Pakistanis would get Turkish-Iranian-Caucasian. :confused:

MikeWhalen
10-11-2015, 07:02 PM
well, I got my ancestry report, cant say there are too many surprises there, maybe a bit more 'southern Europe' than the last few hundred years of almost pure British Isles Celticy genealogy would suggest, but then I am not sure what pops they use to do this with...they say they are still working on my 'find relatives' section

6270

Mike

kenji.aryan
10-11-2015, 07:07 PM
south asian 46.69%
central asian 44.75%
north/east european 5.38%
other 3.18%

I uploaded 2 times my data to see if results are accurate but second time my "central asian" decreased "north/east European" and "other" increased


DON'T QUOTE

Shaikorth
10-11-2015, 07:21 PM
In the afternoon I uploaded my datas again, under another name (Jean Liot, one of my gr-gr-gathers... The french Big Brother can try to justice him if he wants!) Here are "our results":


For me it's consistent. I have a good perception of this site. Serious academic background, reasonable goals, nice layout, and ..... they don't make money with us.

The small differences are expected, multiple iterations on same data don't turn out absolutely identical in many tools used to analyze this stuff.
examples from Razib's treemix runs to demonstrate:
http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/KalashOut.71.jpg
http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/KalashOut.8.jpg

ZephyrousMandaru
10-11-2015, 07:21 PM
How old? as I used 23andme data from 2013, should I re-upload with fresh files?

I think as long as it's after 23andMe introduced Ancestry Composition, it should be fine. If it's before then, then download it again.

David Mc
10-11-2015, 07:29 PM
Miles Kehoe Doherty:
Known ancestry is 75% Irish (nearly all from the north) and Scot and 25% French Canadian (mostly Breton)
6262
6263

I notice you've got the odd little blip in French Guiana as well. That's three of us Islesmen so far. Odd.

MonkeyDLuffy
10-11-2015, 07:37 PM
Sapporo results are almost identical to me:

Central Asian (49.78%)
South Asian (36.39%)
North/east European (7.97%)
Other (5.86%)

MonkeyDLuffy
10-11-2015, 07:39 PM
I uploaded 2 times my data to see if results are accurate but second time my "central asian" decreased "north/east European" and "other" increased[/I]


DON'T QUOTE

I quoted.

What about your SA? It changed too? I uploaded my data twice and the results didn't change for me.

crossover
10-11-2015, 07:40 PM
i don't think dna.land is accurate. i think they overestimated the south european in both my mom and grandfather

kenji.aryan
10-11-2015, 07:44 PM
I quoted.

What about your SA? It changed too? I uploaded my data twice and the results didn't change for me.

Really, it didn't a single percent for you? maybe its acting weird for people with more mixed ancestry like someone said on this thread but i don't know if thats true.

SA increased too .

MonkeyDLuffy
10-11-2015, 07:53 PM
Really, it didn't a single percent for you? maybe its acting weird for people with more mixed ancestry like someone said on this thread but i don't know if thats true.

SA increased too .



You can upload my data and check if it changes. I'm going to upload again and mess up their servers more

BalkanKiwi
10-11-2015, 07:54 PM
Almost 24 hours later. I don't know why I get an area highlighted on the map around French Guiana.

23andMe

http://i.imgur.com/FV4PjJW.png

http://i.imgur.com/ynXK2rD.png

FTDNA

http://i.imgur.com/fEdovuO.png

http://i.imgur.com/sXZNx4C.png

Huntergatherer1066
10-11-2015, 08:00 PM
From a political organization standpoint French Guiana is technically no different than continental European France, but in this case it doesn't really make sense to display it as such. They may need to do some cartographical tweaking where political boundaries do not make sense for displaying ancestry backgrounds.

Stellaritic
10-11-2015, 08:11 PM
What are your thoughts on the results compared to other calculators?

I think this calculator is decent and quite accurate .
Ashkenazi = recent European gene flow+MENA

West African= recent SSA gene flow

------------------------------------------------

It seems like they have recently updated their FAQ

If my genome data is already on 23andMe, FTDNA, AncestryDNA, and GEDmatch, and I’ve run it through Promethease, what additional value will I get by uploading it to DNA Land? (top)

DNA.Land provides you with several additional features:
DNA.Land imputes your genome, which opens the possibility of seeing genetic variations that were not part of the original file. It is similar to getting whole genome sequencing data (albeit we still miss some rare variations) without investing thousands of dollars.
You might find additional relatives because we use different algorithms.
We will be adding other features to the website that you don't get with other sites. This is just the beginning. Early adopters will help us to validate our approach and to continue our efforts.
Last but not least, you contribute to academic science through DNA.Land. 23andMe are doing some research but they are a private company and hold a lot of data for themselves. By contributing your genome to DNA.Land you will enable non-profit researchers and advance basic and translational science.
https://dna.land/faq#dnaland_added_value

Shaikorth
10-11-2015, 08:17 PM
I think this calculator is decent and quite accurate .
Ashkenazi = recent European gene flow+MENA

West African= recent SSA gene flow

I don't think the Ashkenazi component necessarily reflects recent European gene flow since it doesn't seem to be related to Ashkenazis like 23andMe's Ashkenazi which is a true Jewish drift component. It's perhaps better categorized as just "Levantine".

Little bit
10-11-2015, 08:18 PM
I was curious how my Kashubian Polish mother-in-law's results would look. Here's DNA.Land, 23andme, AncestryDNA, and FTDNA for her, all 8 great grandparents from modern NW Poland:

6272

6273

6274

6275

Dr_McNinja
10-11-2015, 08:27 PM
Looks like Khana and I are the only South Asians who get Turkish-Iranian-Caucasian. We're also ye only ones who don't get any Euro. I'd have thought that some Pakistanis would get Turkish-Iranian-Caucasian. :confused:

Could be in "Other" if that is categories with less than 5%.

bol_nat
10-11-2015, 08:53 PM
mine

6276

Central Asian (45.41%)
South Asian (42.53%)
North/central European (9.37%)
Other (2.69%)

Stellaritic
10-11-2015, 08:57 PM
I don't think the Ashkenazi component necessarily reflects recent European gene flow since it doesn't seem to be related to Ashkenazis like 23andMe's Ashkenazi which is a true Jewish drift component. It's perhaps better categorized as just "Levantine".
What this category essentially means for North Africans is that part of our genome is similar to that of Ashenazim because we have received the same gene flow from the same ancestral populations(Middle Eastern+European) .

23andme uses a different algorithm, they actually use an advanced SVM, the latter has already learned that every North African in their database has this particular Middle Eastern+European combo so it automatically adds it to the North African category.

Cascio
10-11-2015, 09:32 PM
What this category essentially means for North Africans is that part of our genome is similar to that of Ashenazim because we have received the same gene flow from the same ancestral populations(Middle Eastern+European) .

23andme uses a different algorithm, they actually use an advanced SVM, the latter has already learned that every North African in their database has this particular Middle Eastern+European combo so it automatically adds it to the North African category.

So you believe the Ashkenazi-Levantine category is European+Levantine and not just Druze-like Levantine.

Táltos
10-11-2015, 09:37 PM
A bit misleading for some E European countries to appear on your map. Is that the "Askhenazi" portion? If so, the nature of the overlap with the Ashkenazim certainly is not E European in origin.
That's pretty much where FTDNA places their Jewish on myOrigins map.

paulgill
10-11-2015, 09:55 PM
Could be in "Other" if that is categories with less than 5%.

I think it is a part of their Kashmiri component which is showing up as Turkish-Iranian-Caucasian.

MonkeyDLuffy
10-11-2015, 09:59 PM
I think it is a part of their Kashmiri component which is showing up as Turkish-Iranian-Caucasian.

Did you upload your data on dna land yet?

Agamemnon
10-11-2015, 10:04 PM
I suspect Cypriots are being used as a reference for "Ashkenazi/Levantine", just look at the map, Cyprus is included and I usually get ~40% Cypriot in most fits.

My results:

http://pichoster.net/images/2015/10/11/Ancestry%20Composition.jpg

http://pichoster.net/images/2015/10/11/Map.jpg

My mother's results:

http://pichoster.net/images/2015/10/11/Ancestry%20Composition%20mom.jpg

http://pichoster.net/images/2015/10/11/Map%20mom.jpg

Dr_McNinja
10-11-2015, 10:07 PM
First run with 23andMe V3:

South Asian (46.56%)
Central Asian (41.24%)
North/central European (6.83%)
Other (5.37%)

Second run with 23andMe V3:

South Asian (48.88%)
Central Asian (38.03%)
North/central European (9.87%)
Other (3.22%)

paulgill
10-11-2015, 10:28 PM
mine

6276

Central Asian (45.41%)
South Asian (42.53%)
North/central European (9.37%)
Other (2.69%)

I have the Map coloured in similar way but proportions are a bit different.

paulgill
10-11-2015, 10:32 PM
Did you upload your data on dna land yet?

Yes I did.


Ancestry Report for Paul Gill
ancestry questions?

Ancestry Composition

Central Asian (58.61%)
South Asian (28.64%)
North/central European (11.01%)
Other (1.74%)

Stellaritic
10-11-2015, 11:16 PM
So you believe the Ashkenazi-Levantine category is European+Levantine and not just Druze-like Levantine.

Yes and that's what Ashkenazim are (European+Levantine) .

I also score 10% Ashkenazi on MyOrigins.


Ashkenazi Diaspora

The Ashkenazi Diaspora cluster has been scattered around the world because of the demands of history. Their ancestry is rooted in the ancient Near East, but the Ashkenazi Diaspora has combined during its history with a European heritage.

While Judaism is a religion, the Jewish people are also a nation. Modern Jews have diversified into numerous branches, such as the Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi as well as odds and ends such as the Bene and Beta Israel. Unifying many of these populations are genetic commonalities, likely resulting from a common Middle Eastern ancestry. This combination of Middle Eastern and European is found in other groups, and many of them exhibit signatures of Ashkenazi Diaspora, but it is not common descent.

The Ashkenazi Diaspora puts a particular focus on the Ashkenazi Jews who are the majority of the world’s Jewish population today. Derived from populations located within Central Europe, these Jews are now scattered across the world with the largest concentrations in Israel and the United States.

https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/ftdna/myorigins-population-clusters/

Agamemnon
10-11-2015, 11:17 PM
^^ I strongly suspect Cypriots are being used as a reference for "Ashkenazi/Levantine" here, otherwise I'd simply be 50% Ashkenazi.

Dr_McNinja
10-11-2015, 11:59 PM
Father's first run:

South Asian (53.08%)
Central Asian (32.64%)
North/central European (8.65%)
Other (5.63%)


Father's second run:

South Asian (52.9%)
Central Asian (32.55%)
North/central European (8.73%)
North/east European (5.18%)
Other (0.64%)

In his case, looks like the "Other" was Northeast European.

David Mc
10-12-2015, 12:07 AM
^^ I strongly suspect Cypriots are being used as a reference for "Ashkenazi/Levantine" here, otherwise I'd simply be 50% Ashkenazi.

Hi Agamemnon. It's taken me a while to realize it, but "other" is not shown on the maps at all. If you look at mine, for example, You'll see that my primary component is North/central European, colour-coded dark blue on the map. The thing that confused me was French Guiana, which wouldn't seem to be very north OR central European, but was also rendered in dark blue. :-) A few minutes ago I magnified the map and realized that Corsica is also colored in with the same blue. I had assumed these might be where the "other" came into play, but it doesn't at all. Comparing it to some of the other members' maps, I've noticed that French Guiana is always the same colour as north/central Europe (n/c-e). If their n/c is primary, both it and French Guiana will be bark blue. If it is secondary, both will be a lighter blue. Tertiary, orange. I suspect the same is true of Corsica, but I had to magnify mine to be sure it was actually highlighted.

So given that Cyprus is shaded in with the same blue as the Levant, I'd say they're being treated as one population.

bol_nat
10-12-2015, 12:19 AM
punjabi gujjar HRP0353

Ancestry Composition

Central Asian (54.45%)
South Asian (39.76%)
Other (5.79%)

Dimanto
10-12-2015, 01:56 AM
FTDNA
http://s20.postimg.org/5j5vjzs09/DNA_Land_FTDNA.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/5j5vjzs09/)

23andme
http://s20.postimg.org/p3fcpnma1/DNA_Map.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/p3fcpnma1/)

Arbogan
10-12-2015, 01:56 AM
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (63.5%)
Central Asian (20.24%)
Near Eastern (6.85%)
Ashkenazi/Levantine (5%)
Other (4.41%)

So it looks like i'm extra aboriginal.

Dimanto
10-12-2015, 01:58 AM
my first result6240



...... let's see if they will be able to detect the difference between Brits, Germans, Dutch and Scandinavians one day ....

Similar to what my mom gets

Dimanto
10-12-2015, 02:02 AM
I come out as:

South European 64.77pc

North/Central European 15.27pc

Southwestern European 9.49pc

Ashkenazi/Levantine 8.7pc

Other 1.77pc

What does Ashkenazi/Levantine entail?

You're northern Italian right ?

bol_nat
10-12-2015, 03:58 AM
mine

6276

Central Asian (45.41%)
South Asian (42.53%)
North/central European (9.37%)
Other (2.69%)

2nd run

Central Asian (49.24%)
South Asian (39.73%)
North/central European (7.04%)
Other (3.99%)

bored
10-12-2015, 04:23 AM
I got weird results. Every other South Asian got a Euro component except me it seems. I get Turkish-Iranian-Caucasian.

Central Asian = 46.45%
South Asian = 40.69%
Turkish-Iranian-Caucasian = 5.57%
Other = 7.29%

My 2nd run. Hilarious. Turkish-Iranian-Caucasian completely disappeared :wacko: :suspicious:

Central Asian (51.14%)
South Asian (38.78%)
North/east European (5.72%)
Other (4.36%)

http://i.imgur.com/KcTnWhE.png

Tolan
10-12-2015, 05:03 AM
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/images/DNALand.png

DNA-Land:
North/Central European (67.79%)
Southwestern European (17,21%)
Ashkenazi/Levantine (9,57%)
Other (5,43%)


In comparison with:
23 and me
80,2% Northwestern European
15,3% Southern European
0,6% Eastern European
0% Ashkenazi
3,8% Broadly European
0,01% East Asian

FTDNA
British Isles + Western/Central European: 55%
Southern European: 35%
Eastern European: 9%
North African: 1%

The Ashkenazi component is often misinterpreted by the companies.
The components that are identical between Eastern Europeans and the Levant, are not necessarily linked to the Jews and I think they are often confused with the South East Europe components

Anabasis
10-12-2015, 05:07 AM
My ancestry results

Turkish-Iranian-Caucasusian (77.45%)
South European (15.56%)
Near Eastern (6.54%)
Other (0.45%)

Anabasis
10-12-2015, 05:19 AM
Still waiting for the processing of my grandparents ancestry results. I uploaded them yesterday morning, so over 34 hours ago. Their relative finder results were already available this morning.

Check them now plese. I got my results.

kenji.aryan
10-12-2015, 05:26 AM
Source code for DNA Land ancestry detection method.

https://bitbucket.org/joepickrell/ancestry


They also use 1000 genomes reference dataset.

Shaikorth
10-12-2015, 05:42 AM
Source code for DNA Land ancestry detection method.

https://bitbucket.org/joepickrell/ancestry


They also use 1000 genomes reference dataset.

I think they have something on top of that, those West Asian and North African clusters shouldn't really form properly with just the 1000genomes dataset because it has no references for them.
For instance, their "Caucasusian" looks like a typical Caucasus-centered component based on Anabasis' results but the 1000genomes set has nothing from Georgia or surroundings.

cyna
10-12-2015, 05:56 AM
Well I ran the same kit twice and got different numbers, including a 10 point swing on one of the European components. Anybody able to explain how I can get two fairly different set of results using the exact same data from the exact same kit?

Shaikorth
10-12-2015, 06:02 AM
Well I ran the same kit twice and got different numbers, including a 10 point swing on one of the European components. Anybody able to explain how I can get two fairly different set of results using the exact same data from the exact same kit?

Separate runs on the same data in programs such as Treemix and ADMIXTURE (the program itself, not a DIY/gedmatch calculator) can produce differing results. This may be the case here.

cyna
10-12-2015, 06:06 AM
Separate runs on the same data in programs such as Treemix and ADMIXTURE (the program itself, not a DIY/gedmatch calculator) can produce differing results. This may be the case here.

I am quite puzzled by this.

C J Wyatt III
10-12-2015, 06:10 AM
Well I ran the same kit twice and got different numbers, including a 10 point swing on one of the European components. Anybody able to explain how I can get two fairly different set of results using the exact same data from the exact same kit?

What they are trying to do in difficult enough without people screwing them up by running the same kit two times.

anglesqueville
10-12-2015, 06:22 AM
For info, copy of the message I sent to DNAL this night: "Dear dna.land staff

Just one question: have you thought to analyse archeological samples ( Reich, etc) with your methodology? If no, do you mind if I (or another user) upload some ancient genomes in the format of 23andMe or ftdna?

Anyway, I would like to express my sincere thanks for your brilliant work. "
Let's wait and see.

CJ Wyatt II: I agree. I did that, and I now I regret ( two nearly identical results, see my post some pages before)

cyna
10-12-2015, 06:32 AM
I thought the results were all system generated?

Cascio
10-12-2015, 07:23 AM
^^ I strongly suspect Cypriots are being used as a reference for "Ashkenazi/Levantine" here, otherwise I'd simply be 50% Ashkenazi.

So, to clarify matters, Dna.Land's "Ashkenazi-Levantine" category is merely an East Mediterranean element represented by populations such as the Cypriots.

How much A-L do Ashkenazim get on Dna.Land, I wonder.

firemonkey
10-12-2015, 07:38 AM
Curious re Coldmountains claim of random(differing) results so have uploaded FTDNA data again .

Cascio
10-12-2015, 07:48 AM
You're northern Italian right ?

On the margin...North-west Tuscany, actually.

BalkanKiwi
10-12-2015, 09:10 AM
To reflect on my results, I'm not too concerned about percentages. I'm more interested in population clusters. It seems like their algorithm method allows for number variance, but the populations are generally the same. I don't think they want people lagging their server by uploading the same kit multiple times.

I quite like it even though the percentages are off. If you're mixed like myself, it's extremely hard to determine a realistic number.

Sangarius
10-12-2015, 09:42 AM
Check them now plese. I got my results.

Still nothing. I've been waiting for over two days now. Seems like they are lost in limbo.

anglesqueville
10-12-2015, 09:45 AM
Perhaps I've not seen every post, on this forum and on others... it seems that the differences between the results of one same kit analysed twice are quite small. By the way DNAL has updated the information page. I don't know many other sites that indicate precisely which algorithms are used, and the academic background linked with them. Personally, I much appreciate this transparency. Well, I'm wondering if I'm not becoming a DNAL defender...

Coldmountains
10-12-2015, 09:52 AM
Bump.

BalkanKiwi
10-12-2015, 10:08 AM
For anyone interested in the code used for the algorithm, https://bitbucket.org/joepickrell/ancestry

Asimakidis
10-12-2015, 11:49 AM
Submitted all mine as well. Will post them when they arrive.