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J Man
10-20-2015, 10:32 PM
Haplogroup J2a has a small presence among the Serbian people. In the Serbian DNA Project there are 14 separate J2a results. At least 4 of them belong to the J2a-M92 clade. Three of the J2a-M92 results look like they may be related although more markers need to be tested for two of them to really confirm that. The three J2a-M92 Serbs at the top of the J2a section look rather interesting. These are them.

Jablić Aleksandrovac / SRB


Popovic Jovanjdan Tomingaj / Gračac / Lika



Perunović Conception St . John the Baptist Drenovštica / Pjesivci / CG



http://dnk.poreklo.rs/tabela-pojedinacne-grupe/?grp-filter=J2a


Perunović seems to come from Montenegro and it looks like he belongs to the Pjesivci tribe. It would be interesting to see if other Perunović men also turn out to be J2a-M92 if they tested. So far I think that he is the only one.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pje%C5%A1ivci

Trojet
10-21-2015, 12:22 AM
Interesting! J2b2-M241 seems to have a small percentage too among Serbs with only 11 samples. On the other hand, J2b1-M205 seems to be the most represented J2 subclade among Serbians with 43 samples, at least according to their project.

Gravetto-Danubian
10-21-2015, 12:57 AM
Not much has come up for haplogroup J unfortunately since the days of Semino and Cruciani in the early 2000s. The differential distribution of J-M12, J2a-67, and J21-M92 in southern Europe are interesting. Also, J2b is common in India, but j2a is rare. J2a on the other hand, has frequency spikes in the Caucasus, northern Anatolia and central Italy.

Hopefully we will see more coverage of this haplogroup.

paulgill
10-21-2015, 01:16 AM
Not much has come up for haplogroup J unfortunately since the days of Semino and Cruciani in the early 2000s. The differential distribution of J-M12, J2a-67, and J21-M92 in southern Europe are interesting. Also, J2b is common in India, but j2a is rare. J2a on the other hand, has frequency spikes in the Caucasus, northern Anatolia and central Italy.

Hopefully we will see more coverage of this haplogroup.

I think it is actually other way around, lots J2a and a little bit of J2b in India.

Gravetto-Danubian
10-21-2015, 09:24 AM
I think it is actually other way around, lots J2a and a little bit of J2b in India.

Paul your counter-suggestion made me go look it up. Only one study in a quick search had actually differential testing within J2 for South Asian populations, the rest being simply reported as "J2".
Sengupta et al (2006) showed for Indians: J2a 3.6 % J2b 5.2%; Pakistanis J2a 8.5%, J2b 2.3 %.

We need more studies to make a clearer regional pattern.

paulgill
10-21-2015, 11:55 AM
Paul your counter-suggestion made me go look it up. Only one study in a quick search had actually differential testing within J2 for South Asian populations, the rest being simply reported as "J2".
Sengupta et al (2006) showed for Indians: J2a 3.6 % J2b 5.2%; Pakistanis J2a 8.5%, J2b 2.3 %.

We need more studies to make a clearer regional pattern.

In my group I think 10% are J2a and 1% J2b.

Ebizur
10-21-2015, 02:01 PM
In my group I think 10% are J2a and 1% J2b.
Combining the data sets of Fornarino et al. 2009 and Chaubey et al. 2014 results in the following figures regarding the Y-DNA of Tharu minorities:

4/45 = 8.9% J2a-M410 Tharu/Uttarakhand total
0/45 = 0.0% J2b2-M241 Tharu/Uttarakhand total

20/164 = 12.2% J2a-M410 Tharu/Uttar Pradesh total
6/164 = 3.7% J2b2-M241 Tharu/Uttar Pradesh total

19/202 = 9.4% J2a-M410 Tharu/Nepal total
8/202 = 4.0% J2b2-M241 Tharu/Nepal total

43/411 = 10.5% J2a-M410 Tharu total
14/411 = 3.4% J2b2-M241 Tharu total

The Tharus are Aryan-speaking (but at least semi-Mongoloid-looking) peoples who have long been resident in the lowlands that abut the southern edge of the Himalayan foothills.

ChrisR
10-26-2015, 06:41 PM
We need much more NextGenSequence data from West and South Asia but using the 1000 Genomes dataset the following two J2a clades seem to have high diversity and elevated presence in South Asia:
J2a PF4610>L26>PF5087>Z2221>PF5197>PF5172>PF5191>PF5174>...
J2a PF4610>L26>Z6064>Z6063>Z6057>SK1366>M68>...
https://c8f352c4c3e18cc0b949078b95029e00067781aa.googledri ve.com/host/0B9ajLqik04ZASk00Q01rTHZrRm8/J2a-M410/2014-01-18_J2a-M410_1kG_Phylogeny_v1.0b.pdf
Sorry for the off-topic.

On-Topic: J2a PF4610>L26>Z6064>Z6063>Z6057>SK1363>... has an interesting distribution and diversity which could have the Balkans with Romania, Bulgary, Hungary involved in the expansion from what I see so far.
Less evidence but a similar interesting case could be clade J2a PF4610>L26>PF5087>PF5116>Z2227>L558>M67>Z7671>CTS900>Y11202>Z30688>Z30685

J Man
10-31-2015, 04:17 PM
I found this interesting information about the background of the Perunović name. Someone commented at the bottom and it is long and detailed.

Perunović Conception St . John the Baptist Drenovštica / Pjesivci / CG- Haplogroup J2a-M92.

http://www.poreklo.rs/2012/03/01/perunovi%C4%87/

bebb
03-03-2016, 10:17 PM
Thanks.

J Man
03-16-2016, 03:30 AM
Thanks.

No problem.