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lgmayka
11-04-2015, 04:48 PM
A member of my project recently received his Y-DNA37 results:


434198 Poland Q-M242 13 24 13 10 14 18 12 12 12 13 14 30 16 9 9 11 11 26 14 19 30 14 15 16 16 10 10 19 22 16 14 18 17 34 36 12 11


His Y-DNA Matches page shows no matches at all at 37 or 25 markers. At 12 markers, he has:
- One exact match, confirmed Q-M3
- One GD-1 near-match, confirmed Q-L53, whose name looks Hispanic Mayan (judging from a Google search).

Here is his Ysearch entry (http://www.ysearch.org/search_view.asp?uid=5spjf&viewuid=5SPJF&p=1). At 37 markers, his nearest neighbors are at GDs 11 and 12, and all appear to have (Native) American patrilineage.

The Y-DNA Q Project originally placed him in a category labeled as Z780, but Q-Z780 is considered exclusively Native American (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266745496_Identification_of_new_SNPs_in_native_Sou th_American_populations_by_resequencing_the_Y_chro mosome). That project has moved him to a category labeled L940 (which is my best guess also).

Since he lives in Poland, he is much less likely to be able to afford a Big Y, even with some contribution from me. FTDNA does not offer a Q SNP Pack, and I don't know whether they ever will. Yseq has a SNP panel for Q-L275 but none for the rest of Q.

Táltos
11-04-2015, 05:49 PM
A member of my project recently received his Y-DNA37 results:


434198 Poland Q-M242 13 24 13 10 14 18 12 12 12 13 14 30 16 9 9 11 11 26 14 19 30 14 15 16 16 10 10 19 22 16 14 18 17 34 36 12 11


His Y-DNA Matches page shows no matches at all at 37 or 25 markers. At 12 markers, he has:
- One exact match, confirmed Q-M3
- One GD-1 near-match, confirmed Q-L53, whose name looks Hispanic Mayan (judging from a Google search).

Here is his Ysearch entry (http://www.ysearch.org/search_view.asp?uid=5spjf&viewuid=5SPJF&p=1). At 37 markers, his nearest neighbors are at GDs 11 and 12, and all appear to have (Native) American patrilineage.

The Y-DNA Q Project originally placed him in a category labeled as Z780, but Q-Z780 is considered exclusively Native American (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266745496_Identification_of_new_SNPs_in_native_Sou th_American_populations_by_resequencing_the_Y_chro mosome). That project has moved him to a category labeled L940 (which is my best guess also).

Since he lives in Poland, he is much less likely to be able to afford a Big Y, even with some contribution from me. FTDNA does not offer a Q SNP Pack, and I don't know whether they ever will. Yseq has a SNP panel for Q-L275 but none for the rest of Q.
Very interesting! It was announced in the Haplogroup Q activity feed a few months ago that they are supposed to be coming out with SNP packs for Q. I know one was going to be specific for Q-L245. I'll have to go back and read it to see if it was for all Q. They are definitely taking forever on it. Maybe crowdfunding Big Y for him?

lgmayka
11-04-2015, 06:10 PM
Maybe crowdfunding Big Y for him?
That would be perfect if successful (i.e., if we could raise enough money). I myself would be willing to contribute $100.

Táltos
11-04-2015, 06:25 PM
That would be perfect if successful (i.e., if we could raise enough money). I myself would be willing to contribute $100.

That's great! I would make a contribution, hopefully others will too. Would this go through your project or the Haplogroup Q one? Poland is a very interesting place for haplogroups- both Y and mtDNA. :)

I just checked the activity feed for Haplogroup Q. First mention of an SNP pack was from June, and only about Q1b. Second comment was in September. Again only mentioned for Q1b. I just asked them if they are doing the packs for Q1a as well, and when they would be available. Maybe Шад can comment here for us about this.

DMXX
11-04-2015, 06:26 PM
Maybe crowdfunding Big Y for him?


That would be perfect if successful (i.e., if we could raise enough money).

Ahem... (http://www.anthrogenica.com/forumdisplay.php?154-Crowdfunding-Initiatives) :)

Táltos
11-04-2015, 06:27 PM
Ahem... (http://www.anthrogenica.com/forumdisplay.php?154-Crowdfunding-Initiatives) :)

And YES! Of course here at Anthrogenica! :)

Rethel
11-04-2015, 06:46 PM
Indian Q is not so surprisingly, as it seems to be.
In Poland we have some local Indians... :)

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sat-Okh
2. http://www.krakowpost.com/7294/2013/11/the-legendary-inca-treasure-of-polands-czorsztyn-castle
3. http://braulio-mamani.com/en/el-sikuri-group/

Otherwise, this haplotype could bring to Poland Spaniards who come to Poland from XVI century until this day.

Táltos
11-04-2015, 07:39 PM
Indian Q is not so surprisingly, as it seems to be.
In Poland we have some local Indians... :)

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sat-Okh
2. http://www.krakowpost.com/7294/2013/11/the-legendary-inca-treasure-of-polands-czorsztyn-castle
3. http://braulio-mamani.com/en/el-sikuri-group/

Otherwise, this haplotype could bring to Poland Spaniards who come to Poland from XVI century until this day.

Thank you for the interesting links. I have a request though. When referring to Indian Q, can you please call it Native American Q. I also grew up calling Native Americans "Indians". It's just how it was back then, today I would say Native American instead. There are several men from India that are also Q1a and Q1b. So terminology can get too confusing. Thanks. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/India?iframe=yresults

Afshar
11-04-2015, 07:51 PM
What is the family history?

lgmayka
11-05-2015, 12:11 AM
What is the family history?
All I see is the ancestral location, Nieżywięć near Chojnice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nie%C5%BCywi%C4%99%C4%87,_Pomeranian_Voivodeship).

lgmayka
11-06-2015, 02:55 PM
What is the family history?
He wanted to share this further detail. (I have corrected some spelling mistakes. English is not his first language.)
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On Anthrogenica forum user Afshar asked about my family history.
My known paternal line comes from north Poland, Nieżywięć near city Chojnice (Konitz).
The oldest paternal ancestor (proven by documents) is Michael Foede (Fedde) born about 1770.
I have some reason to suppose that:
1) Michael's father probably was Mathia Wede (Wedou) born 1718
2) Mathia's father probably was Jacob Veda born probably between 1670 -1700
All come from Nieżywięć near Chojnice.

Our appearance (face, skin etc) is typical of other Polish inhabitants.
---

C J Wyatt III
11-06-2015, 03:26 PM
He wanted to share this further detail. (I have corrected some spelling mistakes. English is not his first language.)
---
On Anthrogenica forum user Afshar asked about my family history.
My known paternal line comes from north Poland, Nieżywięć near city Chojnice (Konitz).
The oldest paternal ancestor (proven by documents) is Michael Foede (Fedde) born about 1770.
I have some reason to suppose that:
1) Michael's father probably was Mathia Wede (Wedou) born 1718
2) Mathia's father probably was Jacob Veda born probably between 1670 -1700
All come from Nieżywięć near Chojnice.

Our appearance (face, skin etc) is typical of other Polish inhabitants.
---

Has he done an autosomal DNA test, and if so, has it been uploaded to GEDmatch? I'd like to do some comparisons, but I'd be glad to keep them private if necessary. Anything on his mtDNA haplogroup?

Thanks,

Jack

lgmayka
11-06-2015, 03:49 PM
Has he done an autosomal DNA test, and if so, has it been uploaded to GEDmatch? I'd like to do some comparisons, but I'd be glad to keep them private if necessary. Anything on his mtDNA haplogroup?
He has not done any other DNA testing. Since he only has $150 to spend, and patrilineage is apparently of greatest interest to him (and certainly to those of us intrigued by his Y-DNA37 results), I don't see him ordering any other kind of test (unless someone else is willing to fund it, of course). Sorry.

C J Wyatt III
11-06-2015, 05:36 PM
He has not done any other DNA testing. Since he only has $150 to spend, and patrilineage is apparently of greatest interest to him (and certainly to those of us intrigued by his Y-DNA37 results), I don't see him ordering any other kind of test (unless someone else is willing to fund it, of course). Sorry.

Appreciate the information. This is an interesting case. I wish I had extra money to contribute toward an autosomal test. Such a test would probably be able to show if there was a migration in the past few hundred years which brought the Q paternal ancestor from America.

Jack

lgmayka
11-06-2015, 08:29 PM
Such a test would probably be able to show if there was a migration in the past few hundred years which brought the Q paternal ancestor from America.
That is theoretically possible but highly unlikely, especially given his large Genetic Distance (GD) from anyone else. But even in that case, his story would be so utterly rare as to add value to his Big Y. (Poland never had overseas colonies except for a very brief arm's-length relationship with Tobago (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_attempts_by_Poland#Duchy_of_Courland_ and_Semigallia).)

C J Wyatt III
11-06-2015, 08:48 PM
That is theoretically possible but highly unlikely, especially given his large Genetic Distance (GD) from anyone else. But even in that case, his story would be so utterly rare as to add value to his Big Y. (Poland never had overseas colonies except for a very brief arm's-length relationship with Tobago (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_attempts_by_Poland#Duchy_of_Courland_ and_Semigallia).)

I understand your interest in Big Y, but what I said is not impacted by Poland's lack of colonies. My research is finding all kinds of movements around the world in the 18th Century that most people normally don't think about. Sometimes I think genealogists reach deep when the answer is up close.

Jack

Шад
11-07-2015, 10:18 AM
My conclusion - Q-L569

lgmayka
11-07-2015, 11:07 AM
My conclusion - Q-L569
But L569 is a subclade of Z781 (http://yfull.com/tree/Q-L569/), which is a subclade of Z780. Anzick1 is Q-Z780* (http://yfull.com/tree/Q-Z780/) . Isn't Q-Z780 believed to be exclusively Native American? Or have you already found examples of Q-Z780 in Eurasia?

Шад
11-07-2015, 02:44 PM
Perhaps it homoplasy. Then we are both wrong in the prediction.
Of course, the most logical is that it belongs to any rare Q1a Eurasian subclades.
Please join him to the Q yDNA project.
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/y-dna-q/

lgmayka
11-07-2015, 03:31 PM
Please join him to the Q yDNA project.
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/y-dna-q/
He is kit 434198 in that project.

lgmayka
11-16-2015, 10:17 PM
I found a $75 coupon, and applied it to the Big Y test of #434198 on a "pay later" basis. I am now waiting for the pledges to arrive. My own contribution is larger than expected, but I'll live with it somehow. :)

Шад
01-23-2016, 10:42 AM
Do we have any news about this sample?

lgmayka
01-23-2016, 11:07 AM
His Big Y was ordered on 11/16 and completed on 12/17. His BAM file was requested the same day. The questions are:
- Did FTDNA ever actually generate the BAM file?
- Did he submit it to YFull?

On FTDNA's haplotree he is listed as
L53+ L54- P37-

can't_lurk_no_mo'
01-23-2016, 02:09 PM
Thank you for the interesting links. I have a request though. When referring to Indian Q, can you please call it Native American Q. I also grew up calling Native Americans "Indians". It's just how it was back then, today I would say Native American instead. There are several men from India that are also Q1a and Q1b. So terminology can get too confusing. Thanks. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/India?iframe=yresults
The indigenous people of America prefer to be called what? Survey says...

(http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762158.html)


American Indian
American Indian 49.76%
Native American 37.35
Some other term 3.66
Alaska Native 3.51
No preference 5.72

Táltos
01-23-2016, 02:20 PM
The indigenous people of America prefer to be called what? Survey says...

(http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762158.html)
Perhaps. The survey is based on census information from 1995. Native American is frequently in use today. My only confusion came with referencing "Indian Q". That's just too general, as it could apply to more than one group.

Edit-Back to the topic at hand. I really hope that our Q from Poland was able to get his BAM file.

lgmayka
01-23-2016, 04:43 PM
On FTDNA's haplotree he is listed as
L53+ L54- P37-
He tested YP4110+ YP4023+ , so he clearly belongs somewhere in the branch currently labeled Q-YP4000 (http://yfull.com/tree/Q-YP4000/).

Шад
01-24-2016, 11:05 AM
He tested YP4110+ YP4023+ , so he clearly belongs somewhere in the branch currently labeled Q-YP4000 (http://yfull.com/tree/Q-YP4000/).

Very interesting! It's Chechen branch. Could you send me his data (VCF or BAM)?

lgmayka
01-24-2016, 07:54 PM
Could you send me his data (VCF or BAM)?
His BAM file may have been generated this week, but I forgot to ask him for it until last night. Today he reports, and I myself see, that FTDNA has removed all customer access to BAM files.

EDIT: He safely copied his BAM file to his own hard drive before FTDNA removed access. He reports that he has successfully submitted his BAM file to YFull for analysis.

Шад
01-27-2016, 09:22 AM
EDIT: He safely copied his BAM file to his own hard drive before FTDNA removed access. He reports that he has successfully submitted his BAM file to YFull for analysis.

What's his ID at YFull? YF0xxxx?? They had to tell him about gis ID after a successful submittion.

lgmayka
01-29-2016, 12:25 AM
What's his ID at YFull?
YF05244

Tomenable
01-29-2016, 03:09 AM
Thank you for the interesting links. I have a request though. When referring to Indian Q, can you please call it Native American Q. I also grew up calling Native Americans "Indians". It's just how it was back then, today I would say Native American instead. There are several men from India that are also Q1a and Q1b. So terminology can get too confusing. Thanks. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/India?iframe=yresults

As for the name issue of the natives, whether to call them Indian or Native American - how about "Amerindian", is it OK ???

I for example prefer Amerindian, because Indian is incorrect and Native American are two words when one should suffice. :)

Táltos
01-29-2016, 07:02 AM
As for the name issue of the natives, whether to call them Indian or Native American - how about "Amerindian", is it OK ???

I for example prefer Amerindian, because Indian is incorrect and Native American are two words when one should suffice. :)
All of them are fine. I should have been clearer in my original post. I didn't mean to make it a PC thing, but I guess I did. My apologies. The various Native American DNA Projects utilize a variety of these terms. http://isogg.org/wiki/Native_American_projects

My main point is for everyone to be specific when they are talking about "Indian Q". I can take that a lot of different ways. Different subclades of Q1a for the Amerindians. Different subclades of Q1a and Q1b found in India. Thanks all.

Our unusual Q from Poland though belongs to the Chechen branch according to Шад. So not an American one.

Шад
02-19-2016, 07:46 PM
The "Chechen branch" (Q-YP4000) now conveted to subbranch.
The results of complete sequencing of Y-chromosome (the results of one unusual Q-man from Poland) allowed to allocate a larger subclade Q-YP4004, which included 77 SNPs from the former "Chechen branch":
FGC2592 / M12455 / YP344, FGC9069 / YP3970, Y15810, Y15811, YP3951, YP3954, YP3955, YP3956, YP3958, YP3959, YP3960, YP3961, YP3962, YP3964, YP3965, YP3966,
YP3967, YP3968, YP3971, YP3976, YP3977, YP3999, YP4001, YP4004, YP4005, YP4006, YP4007, YP4008, YP4010, YP4011, YP4013, YP4016, YP4017, YP4018,
YP4019, YP4020, YP4021, YP4023, YP4025, YP4026, YP4028, YP4032, YP4033, YP4034, YP4035, YP4036, YP4037, YP4040, YP4045, YP4046, YP4047, YP4048,
YP4049, YP4052, YP4053, YP4054, YP4057, YP4059, YP4060, YP4061, YP4062, YP4064, YP4066, YP4067, YP4069, YP4070, YP4071, YP4072, YP4073, YP4074,
YP4104, YP4105, YP4106, YP4109, YP4110, YP4111, YP4112
Thus, the configuration of the branches of this tree fragment now looks like this:
Q-L53
........................ Q-YP4004
................................................ Q-YP4004 * (Unusual Q in Poland)
................................................ Q-YP4000 (Chechen branch)
........................ Q-L54

Max
02-25-2016, 01:52 PM
Hi everyone!
My name is Maksymilian and you more know me as "Unusual Q in Poland".
I am very gratefull to you for your help. My knowledge about DNA test isn't excellent but I am reading a lot so I know more and more.
If you know some websites were I can get more inormation about Q-L53 please tell me about it.
Best regards,
Your Unusual Q from Poland :D

Táltos
02-25-2016, 03:09 PM
Hi everyone!
My name is Maksymilian and you more know me as "Unusual Q in Poland".
I am very gratefull to you for your help. My knowledge about DNA test isn't excellent but I am reading a lot so I know more and more.
If you know some websites were I can get more inormation about Q-L53 please tell me about it.
Best regards,
Your Unusual Q from Poland :D

Hello Max welcome to Anthrogenica!

Thank you for testing further to refine your Y DNA. I am not sure if you have seen Forum Molgen's section on Y DNA Q. If you have not you should check them out too. It has always been my favorite go to place for all things Q. Not that Anthrogenica isn't an excellent resource, just that when my brother's results first came in that was the place I was able to find the most information for Q. Our section here is building up more information though since that time. :)

Some links.
http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/board,13.0.html
http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,2775.0.html
http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,6854.0.html

Are you on Facebook? If you are let me know and I can help add you to the Haplogroup Q group on there. You probably can't send a pm here yet as it is based on number of posts. You can hit the reputation button on this post and write your name in there if you want to keep it private. Or put it on my visitor message board on my profile here. Then I can delete it out of there.

Tomenable
04-01-2016, 09:06 AM
There are 3 ancient DNA samples of Q-M3 from Xiongnu/Hunnu - discovered by LL. Kang:


we analyzed 3 samples of Hunnu from Barköl, Xinjiang, China, and determined Q-M3 haplogroup. Therefore, most Y chromosomes of the Hunnu samples examined by multiple studies are belonging to the Q haplogroup. Q-M3 is mostly found in Yeniseian and American Indian peoples, suggesting that Hunnu should be in the Yeniseian family. The Y chromosome diversity is well associated with linguistic families in East Asia. According to the similarity in the Y chromosome profiles, there are four pairs of congenetic families, i.e., Austronesian and Tai-Kadai, Mon-Khmer and Hmong-Mien, Sino-Tibetan and Uralic, Yeniseian and Palaesiberian. Between 4,000-2,000 years ago, Tai-Kadai, Hmong-Mien, Sino-Tibetan, and Yeniseian languages transformed into toned analytic languages, becoming quite different from the rest four. Since Hunnu was in the Yeniseian family, all these 4 toned families were distributed in the inland of China during the transformations. There must be some social or biological factors induced the transformations at that time, which is worth doing more linguistic and genetic researches.

In total I have managed to find 27 Xiongnu Y-DNA and 52 Xiongnu mtDNA samples.

Around 82% of their Y-DNA and some 83% of their mtDNA were East Asian lineages.

West Eurasian lineages amounted to ~18% of their Y-DNA and ~14% of their mtDNA.

And 3% of their mtDNA - 2 samples - was M, which could be for example South Asian.

Tomenable
04-01-2016, 09:15 AM
Our unusual Q from Poland though belongs to the Chechen branch according to Шад. So not an American one.

Among the Xiongnu/Hunnu I have found 7 samples of Q (out of 22 East Asian lineages):

Q1a2 - 3
Q1a3a - 3
Q1b (?) - 1

Other East Asian lineages were 11 C (mostly C2 including C2e), 3 N1c-Tat and 1 O3a2.

Afshar
04-01-2016, 10:26 AM
Among the Xiongnu/Hunnu I have found 7 samples of Q (out of 22 East Asian lineages):

Qa2 - 3
Q1a3a - 3
Q1b (?) - 1

Other East Asian lineages were 11 C (mostly C2 including C2e), 3 N1c-Tat and 1 O3a2.
I assume you mean L56 with Q1a2?

Tomenable
04-01-2016, 10:52 AM
Yes, that was Q1a2 of course, thanks for noticing.

Afshar
04-01-2016, 11:46 AM
Old VS New nomenclqture is confusing for q1a2

Tomenable
04-01-2016, 01:08 PM
Yes, but these 3 Xiongnu samples are Q1a2 M346 / L56.

http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpQ.html

Шад
05-13-2016, 06:07 PM
@lgmayka

What about kit # 252255?

13 25 13 10 13-18 12 12 12 14 14 31 16 8-9 11 11 25 14 19 31 13-14-14-14-14-14-14 11 10 19-23 16 15 18 18 33-36 11 11 11 8 15-17 8 10 10 8 12 10 0 21-23 19 11 12 12 18 8 13 23 22 13 13 11 14 10 11 12 12 34 12 9 15 11 23 27 19 12 11 12 13 11 9 11 11 10 11 12 31 12 14 25 16 11 9 26 15 16 11 22 15 12 17 25 12 22 19 10 13 17 9 12 11
I think that this is the second Polish Q-YP4004.

UPD Recent discussions about the Q-YP4004 and Q-YP4000 at Molgen (Russian-speakers DNA forum)
http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,2775.msg339862.html#msg339862

Max
05-13-2016, 10:46 PM
I attached print screen from yfull with my STR (111) results.
9294
How can I add more STR results to FTDNA? It is possible?

lgmayka
05-13-2016, 11:03 PM
@lgmayka

What about kit # 252255?

I think that this is the second Polish Q-YP4004.
I have invited him to order the Big Y during a discount sale, and have even offered a contribution toward the cost. No response. :(

Шад
05-23-2016, 07:35 PM
Hello
We need $200 for BigY test for Selkup man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selkup_people).
The highest frequencies of the Q haplogroup in Eurasia are witnessed in Kets (Central Siberia) at 93.8% (45/48) and in Selkups (North Siberia) at 66.4% (87/131).
Please donate any amount you have available for the general fund of the project.
https://www.familytreedna.com/group-general-fund-contribution.aspx?g=Q-YDNA
It will be very interesting for understanding the spread of the Q haplogroup in Eurasia.
Thanks!

PS I guess Selkup belongs to Q-YP4004

Шад
07-02-2016, 07:44 AM
Selkup belongs to Q-YP4000!

Cinnamon orange
07-02-2016, 11:32 AM
Hello
We need $200 for BigY test for Selkup man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selkup_people).
The highest frequencies of the Q haplogroup in Eurasia are witnessed in Kets (Central Siberia) at 93.8% (45/48) and in Selkups (North Siberia) at 66.4% (87/131).
Please donate any amount you have available for the general fund of the project.
https://www.familytreedna.com/group-general-fund-contribution.aspx?g=Q-YDNA
It will be very interesting for understanding the spread of the Q haplogroup in Eurasia.
Thanks!

PS I guess Selkup belongs to Q-YP4004

Any possibility for an autosomal test also, with 23andme?

Шад
07-02-2016, 11:38 AM
Selkup has autosomal test (Family Finder).

Cinnamon orange
07-02-2016, 01:58 PM
Selkup has autosomal test (Family Finder).

Can you share the ancestry breakdown (if not private) or is it already posted?

Táltos
07-02-2016, 02:18 PM
Шад,
I just noticed your link today on Molgen for your article. Haplogroup Q in the North Caucasus (according to the complete sequencing of the Y chromosome)


https://www.academia.edu/25842895/%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D1%83%D 0%BF%D0%BF%D0%B0_Q_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2 %D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%B2% D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%B4%D0%B0% D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%BC_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BD%D 0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0 %BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8 F_Y_%D1%85%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BE%D0% BC%D1%8B_

Even though it's in Russian, Google translate works okay for it on my laptop. Not so much on the iPhone though.

Just putting it here if other members of the forum are interested. :)

Srkz
07-10-2016, 05:29 PM
Can you share the ancestry breakdown (if not private) or is it already posted?

He is close to Khanty and Mansi samples. Not a sign of the Caucasus-related ancestry.

Táltos
07-11-2016, 03:39 AM
He is close to Khanty and Mansi samples. Not a sign of the Caucasus-related ancestry.

Thank you Srkz, and welcome to Anthrogenica!

Afshar
07-12-2016, 06:38 AM
So If I understand correctly, this Selkup guy is related to the Polish sample. But what about the chechen guys, is there any trmca known between the clades?

Afshar
04-30-2018, 07:52 PM
So the chechen guys seem to be genuine alans according to the latest paper.

Afshar
05-20-2018, 10:08 PM
https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP4004/
One Turkmen added to the mix.