E-M81 in Old Families from Quebec

[E_M81_I3A]

Here are some Old Families from Quebec whose founding ancestor, who came from France in the 17th century, belonged to E-M81:

1) Boisvert/Denevers

Founding ancestor: Etienne Denevers/Boisvert, c.1620, Epinay, Champagne

http://www.famillesboisvert.org/dp/?q=node/7
http://miroise.org/triangulations/FICHETRI0043.HTML

2) Moisan

Founding ancestor: Pierre Moisan, b.1644, Dieppe, Normandie

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~meilleuro/10614-01.htm
http://miroise.org/triangulations/FICHETRI0084.HTML

(one of my great-great-grandfather was a Moisan, which is very rare surname now in France, I wonder if it could be the same line)

3) Savaria/Savarias

Founding ancestor: Jacques Savaria-Savariaux, b.1641, Ars-en-Ré, Charente-Maritime

http://www.genealogie.org/club/sglj/chroniques/famillesavaria.html


Other families from Quebec like Pitre (Jean-Beneque Pitre b.1636, Flandres), Martineau (Louis Martineau, b.1624, Saintonges, Charente-Maritime) etc are also very likely descendant of an E-M81 man (this needs to be confirmed by triangulation however).

E-M81 was probably very rare in France in the 17th century, I wonder when these "Berber" ancestors could have arrived in those different French regions.

[can't_lurk_no_mo']

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml#Iberia

[C J Wyatt III]

Here are some Old Families from Quebec whose founding ancestor, who came from France in the 17th century, belonged to E-M81:

2) Moisan

Founding ancestor: Pierre Moisan, b.1644, Dieppe, Normandie

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~meilleuro/10614-01.htm
http://miroise.org/triangulations/FICHETRI0084.HTML

(one of my great-great-grandfather was a Moisan, which is very rare surname now in France, I wonder if it could be the same line)



This is off the topic of Y-DNA, but do you have a autosomal kit? I have some matches who have (Quebec) Mosian's in their tree. I can PM you the GEDmatch kit numbers if you would like to take a look.

Jack

[sweuro]

There is some E-M81 in native french.

[kingjohn]

dear rz1706
i think some of the e-m81 we
see in france today are descendnents of berbers who fought
at the battle of tours https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours
with kind regards
adam

[selim]

i have a FREIND that he IS E-M81 .the 111 markers of my freind are YS393 DYS390 DYS19** DYS391 DYS385 DYS426 DYS388 DYS439 DYS389I DYS392 DYS389II***
13 24 14 9 13-14 11 12 11 14 11 30.
DYS458 DYS459 DYS455 DYS454 DYS447 DYS437 DYS448 DYS449 DYS464.
20 9-9 11 12 23 14 20 32 14-15-16-17
DYS460 Y-GATA-H4 YCAII DYS456 DYS607 DYS576 DYS570 CDY DYS442 DYS438
11 11 20-22 15 13 18 25 35-39 12 10
DYS531 DYS578 DYF395S1 DYS590 DYS537 DYS641 DYS472 DYF406S1 DYS511
10 8 15-15 8 11 10 8 10 10
DYS425 DYS413 DYS557 DYS594 DYS436 DYS490 DYS534 DYS450 DYS444 DYS481 DYS520 DYS446
0* 21-22 18 11 12 12 16 7 12 27 18 13
DYS617 DYS568 DYS487 DYS572 DYS640 DYS492 DYS565
13 12 14 11 11 11 11
DYS710 DYS485 DYS632 DYS495 DYS540 DYS714 DYS716 DYS717
34 15 8 12 11 22 28 19
DYS505 DYS556 DYS549 DYS589 DYS522 DYS494 DYS533 DYS636 DYS575 DYS638
12 12 12 11 11 9 11 11 10 11
DYS462 DYS452 DYS445 Y-GATA-A10 DYS463 DYS441 Y-GGAAT-1B07 DYS525
12 29 12 12 18 14 13 11
DYS712 DYS593 DYS650 DYS532 DYS715 DYS504 DYS513 DYS561 DYS552
20 16 18 14 24 15 11 16 26
DYS726 DYS635 DYS587 DYS643 DYS497 DYS510 DYS434 DYS461 DYS435
15 21 23 12 14 17 9 13 11
after this results of the markers what s the subclade under E-M81 THAT IT HAS THE GREAT PROBABILITY PLEASE ؟CAN IT BE Z011؟