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Erik
11-16-2015, 04:08 PM
I'm being offered a kit for $80, and I'm considering it so I can find the haplogroups of a friend or relative. I want to know exactly what it shows and what the results look like, so I know it's worth the money.

gotten
11-16-2015, 04:58 PM
Geno 1.0 tested either YDNA STRs (12 STR values) or mtDNA. Women could only pick mtdna. Men had to choose one.
Geno 2.0 tested YDNA SNPS, mtDNA and autosomal SNPs. no STRs
Geno 2.0 Next Gen is similar to Geno 2.0 but tests a lot more SNPs from a vastly updated tree.
I wonder if old kits of 1.0 or 2.0 will be processed as next gen or just geno 1.0 and 2.0. The Geno 2.0 Next Gen FAQ says the following:

Can I still purchase old kits?
We have only the current Genographic 2.0 Next Generation Kit for sale. We do not have any past kits for sale. However, we will honor the past models (1.0 or 2.0) of kits sent in to be processed.

If the old kits aren't processed as Geno 2.0 Next Gen I would recommend against spending money on them as they are quite dated at the moment. Unless they are collecting dust on your shelf.
If it really is a Geno 1.0 test and will be processed as one you are probably better off taking a 30+ marker STR test at YSEQ for 85 dollars. (almost three times the STRs for 5 dollars more)

Erik
11-16-2015, 05:15 PM
Geno 1.0 tested either YDNA STRs (12 STR values) or mtDNA. Women could only pick mtdna. Men had to choose one.
Geno 2.0 tested YDNA SNPS, mtDNA and autosomal SNPs. no STRs
Geno 2.0 Next Gen is similar to Geno 2.0 but tests a lot more SNPs from a vastly updated tree.
I wonder if old kits of 1.0 or 2.0 will be processed as next gen or just geno 1.0 and 2.0. The Geno 2.0 Next Gen FAQ says the following:

Can I still purchase old kits?
We have only the current Genographic 2.0 Next Generation Kit for sale. We do not have any past kits for sale. However, we will honor the past models (1.0 or 2.0) of kits sent in to be processed.

If the old kits aren't processed as Geno 2.0 Next Gen I would recommend against spending money on them as they are quite dated at the moment. Unless they are collecting dust on your shelf.
If it really is a Geno 1.0 test and will be processed as one you are probably better off taking a 30+ marker STR test at YSEQ for 85 dollars. (almost three times the STRs for 5 dollars more)

Thank you!

I looked on YSEQ and they seem to pretty much only have products for those who already know their haplogroup. Do you think Geno 1.0 would still be a waste at $80 just to find basic haplogroup info? I'd probably use it for my cousin who I do not share Y-DNA with.

gotten
11-16-2015, 05:23 PM
Thank you!
Do you think Geno 1.0 would still be a waste at $80 just to find basic haplogroup info?

If the Geno 1.0 is tested as a 1.0 it is definitely a waste as FTDNA currently sells the YDNA12 kit for $59 on project pages.
If it is tested as a 2.0 Next gen test it's a steal. You can probably email them to find out.

I believe the Geno 1.0 kits sold for $99.

paulgill
11-16-2015, 05:56 PM
Thank you!

I looked on YSEQ and they seem to pretty much only have products for those who already know their haplogroup. Do you think Geno 1.0 would still be a waste at $80 just to find basic haplogroup info? I'd probably use it for my cousin who I do not share Y-DNA with.

But the 30+ STRs at YSEQ for $ 85 will give a much better answer about his haplogroup subclade than 12 STRs at FTDNA. But if the kit is processed as Geno 2.0 next generation then as 'gotten' mentioned above it certainly is a steal. Geno 2.0 next generation is also on sale now only for $149.00 US.

Erik
11-16-2015, 06:15 PM
I just emailed Genographic asking about what it would be tested as.

Erik
11-16-2015, 10:04 PM
Okay, so....

I bought it! :D

This is what I got in response to my email:

Dear Erik,

Thank you for contacting The Genographic Project. Once you do send in your samples they will be ran on our new Geno 2.0 Next Generation gene chip.

Our Geno 2.0 Next Generation test will run a comprehensive analysis to identify thousands of genetic markers on your mitochondrial DNA, which is passed down each generation from mother to child, to reveal your direct maternal deep ancestry. In the case of men, we will ALSO examine markers on the Y chromosome, which is passed down from father to son, to reveal your direct paternal deep ancestry. In addition, for all participants, we will analyze a collection of more than 130,000 other markers from across your entire genome to reveal the regional genetic affiliations of your ancestry, offering insights into your ancestors who are not on a direct maternal or paternal line. Included in these markers is a subset that scientists have recently determined to be from our hominid cousins, Neanderthals, who split from our lineage around 500,000 years ago. As modern humans were first migrating out of Africa more than 60,000 years ago, Neanderthals were still alive and well in Eurasia. It seems that our ancestors met, leaving a small genetic trace of these ancient relatives in our DNA. For the regional genetic affiliation testing, the new Geno 2.0 test analyzes DNA identifiers, called markers, across your entire genome to reveal the regional affiliations of your ancestry, giving you insights into your ancestors who are not on a direct maternal or paternal line. You will be able to see what percentage of your ancestry is affiliated with specific regions of the world, with percentages as low as 2%. The percentage reflects what your parents have passed on to you, detecting events on the autosomal side as recently as about 200-300 years ago, and reflects roughly the information that has been passed on by the past six generations. It represents the regional genetic patterns that those ancestors have inherited over the generations.

For direct paternal and/or maternal deep ancestry, depending on what your haplogroup is within the past 1,000 years; other haplogroups are more ancient than that.

We will not tell people what country their ancestors are from, or a percentage of ethnicity. We report on regional genetic affiliation, what regions of the world a person's ancestors came from. The regions we are reporting a percentage breakdown for regional genetic affiliation are:
1. Scandinavia
2. Eastern Europe
3. Western and Central Europe
4. Southern Europe
5. Anatolia
6. Finland and Circumpolar
7. Northern Africa
8. Arabia
9. Western and Central Africa
10. Southern Africa
11. Eastern Africa
12. Southern Asia
13. Central Asia
14. Eastern Asia
15. Southeastern Asia & Oceania
16. Native American
17. Jewish Diaspora
18. Great Britain and Ireland

Best Regards,




Alyssa G
Information Specialist
The Genographic Project

paulgill
11-16-2015, 11:19 PM
Very good, but it looks like an old typical cut and paste reply, because aDNA snips should be 700,000 in the new one[total750,000], and were 130,000 in the old Geno 2.0, but again populations seem different.https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/faq/participation-testing-results/

Please do not delete this email as you will need it to have them rerun your sample in case they don't deliver what they have just promised you.

Paul

aistea
05-23-2016, 06:12 AM
Hi Erik,

I was wondering if you really got a full Geno 2 NextGen test result with your older Geno 2 test kit. Did you transfer your raw data to FTDNA and if - did you get the full data of 750.000 SNP's?

Thanks for your help and I look forward to your answer.