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AJL
08-07-2012, 07:05 AM
Hi all,

Just a heads-up that the L664 SNP (under M417 xZ283,xZ93) has, unfortunately, proven to revert often enough not to be definitive, but is still only found in men of a definite STR cluster, and never outside it.

So far the L872,L873,L874 found in a January 2012 WTY beyond L664 seem private. It is hoped that a new SNP that is more stable will emerge to replace L664, perhaps from the S/Z series.

You can always keep up to date with the tree beyond M198 here:

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1a/default.aspx

AJL
11-29-2012, 05:09 PM
Further research has uncovered that the SNP itself is stable, the problem was with FTDNA's primers.

Baltimore1937
12-02-2012, 01:11 AM
I belong to the L664+ group. In my case, it is Norwegian. However, I was once sent an email that there was a case of illegitimacy. So if anyone wants to investigate my L664+ origins, they must keep that in mind. We're talking farmers here, way up the Sogne Fjord (Gaupne).

AJL
12-02-2012, 02:14 AM
L664 seems appropriate enough for Noway: that and L448. Could be an NPE but still a Norwegian.

Baltimore1937
01-17-2013, 08:11 AM
I just looked at ISOGG and see that there is another synonym for L664. It now shows "CTS7083/L664/S298".

Baltimore1937
03-17-2013, 10:43 AM
Now that L664 (DYS 388=10) is being subdivided into 4 distinct subgroups, I speculate that my Norwegian subgroup was already in Norway (probably as Finns) before the Germanic people pushed their way up into the Scandinavian Peninsula. So we might have a case where part of L664 were the enemies of another part of L664.

Baltimore1937
10-02-2013, 01:35 AM
There are 5 people shown in my little sub-group in the R1a Project. There is another that is not in the project. Of the 5 in the project, 3 are from Norway, with one from Finland. The 6th one, not in the project, is also from Norway on the swedish border. The fifth one (in the project) is given as being from Ireland. Ireland indicates a probable Norse/Viking influx to Ireland. That is not unusual for R1a in general, but it shows that L664 were also among the Vikings out of Norway. Maybe they'll find L664 in Iceland yet.

Baltimore1937
10-15-2013, 02:48 AM
There are 5 people shown in my little sub-group in the R1a Project. There is another that is not in the project. Of the 5 in the project, 3 are from Norway, with one from Finland. The 6th one, not in the project, is also from Norway on the swedish border. The fifth one (in the project) is given as being from Ireland. Ireland indicates a probable Norse/Viking influx to Ireland. That is not unusual for R1a in general, but it shows that L664 were also among the Vikings out of Norway. Maybe they'll find L664 in Iceland yet.

Oct 14th,
I just checked the R1a project again, and guess what. There is a new match in my B3 L664 group. And he fraces back to Scotland. So there you go; Vikings!

RVBLAKE
06-15-2016, 06:07 PM
Baltimore1937

I've been following your postings with interest, being L664 myself. Could you define the 4 subclusters? I've been unable to find this info, even on FamilyTree.

Baltimore1937
06-26-2016, 12:19 AM
Baltimore1937

I've been following your postings with interest, being L664 myself. Could you define the 4 subclusters? I've been unable to find this info, even on FamilyTree.

I'm basically a dummy with this stuff. I recommend that you look at the R1a project. Luckily L664 stuff is on the first page rather near the top. My little subgroup is colored yellowish-green within the S2894 section. In it are samples from Norway, Sweden and one from Finland. There are also diaspora in Scotland and Ireland, and one with unknown origin. But the number of samples is subject to change. I just noticed that the Swedish samples have been deleted. The earlier 4 subclusters have morphed into a more complex breakdown.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1a/activity-feed

Baltimore1937
06-26-2016, 07:39 AM
I'm basically a dummy with this stuff. I recommend that you look at the R1a project. Luckily L664 stuff is on the first page rather near the top. My little subgroup is colored yellowish-green within the S2894 section. In it are samples from Norway, Sweden and one from Finland. There are also diaspora in Scotland and Ireland, and one with unknown origin. But the number of samples is subject to change. I just noticed that the Swedish samples have been deleted. The earlier 4 subclusters have morphed into a more complex breakdown.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1a/activity-feed

Now I see all the samples have been restored. They must have been working on it when I tapped in earlier.

Baltimore1937
06-26-2016, 07:40 AM
I'm basically a dummy with this stuff. I recommend that you look at the R1a project. Luckily L664 stuff is on the first page rather near the top. My little subgroup is colored yellowish-green within the S2894 section. In it are samples from Norway, Sweden and one from Finland. There are also diaspora in Scotland and Ireland, and one with unknown origin. But the number of samples is subject to change. I just noticed that the Swedish samples have been deleted. The earlier 4 subclusters have morphed into a more complex breakdown.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1a/activity-feed

Now I see all the samples have been restored. They must have been working on it when I tapped in earlier.

later: Now they are missing again. I do believe I'm being hacked!

Here's the other R1a project. You can see someone from Sweden tested positive for S2880. That would also be mine, if I were to test for it.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1aY-Haplogroup

Michał
06-26-2016, 03:54 PM
Now I see all the samples have been restored. They must have been working on it when I tapped in earlier.
You will be able to see all these samples only when logged in on your FTDNA page. Since recently, the default setting is that the customer's Y-DNA results are visible only to project members, and the vast majority of new customers have not modified their personal settings yet.

Baltimore1937
06-29-2016, 06:57 AM
I finally ordered the Big-Y test, which I should've done a long time ago. I don't know if FTDNA will be sending me a fresh swab kit or if they have enough of my DNA to go ahead with the test. I imagine it will take several months before I get my results, in any event.

Baltimore1937
07-05-2016, 06:36 AM
I finally ordered the Big-Y test, which I should've done a long time ago. I don't know if FTDNA will be sending me a fresh swab kit or if they have enough of my DNA to go ahead with the test. I imagine it will take several months before I get my results, in any event.

Scheduled due dates: 08/34/16 - 09/07/16. I was informed that it is predicted to be a new branch under S2880; then S2886. We'll see.

July 20th: I accidentally saw a few minutes ago that my Big-Y test results are in. I don't know what to do with it, so I'll leave to the experts to put me on the Y-tree. I don't have any close relatives to contact.

07-05-2016, 09:19 AM
Hi, I am R1a1a, according to 23andme, from West wales, UK, seems unusual haplogroup for this area, I have no idea what subclade it belongs to, is there a way to browse the DNA to see which subclade it might be? or any tools on GedMatch?

RVBLAKE
07-12-2016, 12:16 PM
I got the results of my SNP test from Yseq the other day; I've tested positive for YP943. Martin Voorwinden informs me that this subclade belongs to Subcluster B, and belongs to England. He says the Subclusters were all re-labelled in 2014 with the advent of SNP testing.

Artmar
07-13-2016, 06:02 PM
Hi, I am R1a1a, according to 23andme, from West wales, UK, seems unusual haplogroup for this area, I have no idea what subclade it belongs to, is there a way to browse the DNA to see which subclade it might be? or any tools on GedMatch?
Hello

We have some people with surname Davies/Davis at R1a Project but for any comparison you need to order Y-STR markers (from FTDNA, for example).

I've made a quick check and they belong to such subclades as:
Z282>PF6155>M458*
Z282>Z280>CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y2613
Z282>Y2395>Z284>S4458>S5301>S6842>YP670>S7759>YP1166>YP1167>YP4693>YP4944

Those subclades are very different from each other but judging from overall rarity of R1a in Wales, you may likely connect to any of those.

Unfortunately, 23andMe results aren't of much use when it comes to Y-DNA. You have to re-test with a different company. Ordering at least Y-37 at FTDNA is not a bad choice.

osdotf
03-01-2017, 05:53 AM
Hi, new member here. After Big Y and YFull, I find myself out at the end of a slender branch of R-L664 called YP5686. Sure would like to find some company. It looks like this going out:

L664>S2894>YP285>YP282>YP441>YP1014>YP5190>YP5686

Baltimore1937
03-05-2017, 04:36 AM
Hi, new member here. After Big Y and YFull, I find myself out at the end of a slender branch of R-L664 called YP5686. Sure would like to find some company. It looks like this going out:

L664>S2894>YP285>YP282>YP441>YP1014>YP5190>YP5686

Looking at the R1a project, I saw 5 people with your set of numbers. Two gave Ireland, two gave Northern Ireland, and one only goes back to Lawrence, PA.

Maggie
07-11-2017, 11:28 PM
I am happy to see your ydna results because they look a lot like the results that came back for my brother.

L664>S2894>YP282>YP441>YP1014>YP1214

I've traced our male line back to the Gills of Dorset in England

osdotf
12-05-2017, 04:25 PM
Looking at the R1a project, I saw 5 people with your set of numbers. Two gave Ireland, two gave Northern Ireland, and one only goes back to Lawrence, PA.


The entry for Lawrence Co., PA is for my 3rd great grandfather, and those are my numbers. The 1850 census says he was born in NJ, but his children still surviving in 1880 were totally divided as to the birthplaces of either parent. I have no problem finding matches downstream of Abraham Brown -- zero matches, however, going upstream. At the Brown project, R1a is rare and L664 is almost non-existent.

ADW_1981
12-05-2017, 04:27 PM
An interesting thing about L664 is the rate across Scandinavia. Substantially lower in Sweden than it is in Norway and Iceland.

Baltimore1937
05-06-2018, 06:48 AM
How about Korea? It has come out that I had a son by a Korean girl. So you might expect that my L664 will be blended with Asian auDNA. But that's not new. I met a half Norwegian bar girl in Hong Kong in 1969. But hey, she was a doll!

Tubist
05-10-2018, 04:05 PM
R1a-YP358* here, I just found out

wsholar
08-29-2018, 01:27 AM
Just have to say, wondering what the probability is that two tubists of the L664 subclade would run across one another? Whom did you study with?