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jdean
12-04-2015, 07:31 PM
Just in time for Xmas : )

David Mc
12-04-2015, 08:03 PM
Just in time for Xmas : )

Are there enough new SNPs in this pack to make it worthwhile for someone like me (ZP20) to do it, or is it just going to confirm what we already know?

jdean
12-05-2015, 02:05 AM
Are there enough new SNPs in this pack to make it worthwhile for someone like me (ZP20) to do it, or is it just going to confirm what we already know?

The pack was built on BigY so nobody who took BigY will learn anything new by ordering this test, but we still need to establish the structure of the tree so it will be useful to get SBP pack results for some areas assuming ISOGG agree SNP pack results are reliable enough (I think this is still being debated ?). However I think we have enough information from Sanger SNP tests to verify the position of ZP20 and it's just a case of getting people like FTDNA and ISOGG to except it.

David Mc
12-05-2015, 05:04 AM
The pack was built on BigY so nobody who took BigY will learn anything new by ordering this test, but we still need to establish the structure of the tree so it will be useful to get SBP pack results for some areas assuming ISOGG agree SNP pack results are reliable enough (I think this is still being debated ?). However I think we have enough information from Sanger SNP tests to verify the position of ZP20 and it's just a case of getting people like FTDNA and ISOGG to except it.

Excellent. Thanks, jdean.

TigerMW
12-08-2015, 02:30 PM
Here is the description of what's in the pack. You can get to it by going to myFTDNA, UPGRADE, ADVANCED TESTS and SELECT A PRODUCT=SNP PACK.

R1b-DF49xM222 SNP Pack $99 (for first run, then $119)

Includes the following SNPs on the haplotree:
DF23, M222, DF49, FGC436

Includes the following SNPs that are NOT on the haplotree:
L480, BY3439, BY3436, A8255, BY3440, BY3441, BY3442, FGC34047, BY3443, BY3444, BY3445, BY3446, FGC34048, BY3437, BY3438, BY1187, BY1243, BY1344, BY1524, BY1803, BY1815, BY2606, BY2607, BY2608, BY2609, BY2611, BY2612, BY2613, BY2614, BY2615, BY2617, BY2628, BY2629, BY2639, BY2670, BY2673, BY2676, BY2677, BY2729, BY336, ZZ33_1, ZZ30_1, ZZ29_1, ZP82, ZP81, ZP80, ZP77, ZP76, ZP75, ZP73, ZP72, ZP71, ZP70, ZP69, ZP67, ZP66, ZP60, ZP58, ZP57, ZP56, ZP44, ZP43, ZP42, ZP41, ZP23, ZP21, ZP20, ZP18, BY337, BY338, BY339, BY340, BY341, BY342, BY343, BY482, BY483, BY484, BY485, BY487, BY488, BY489, BY490, BY815, BY838, FGC11165, FGC11177, FGC11189, FGC11191, FGC11193, FGC30379, FGC30380, FGC30381, FGC30382, FGC30384, FGC30386, FGC30387, FGC30390, FGC30391, FGC30392, FGC30393, FGC30394, FGC6546, FGC6550, FGC6552, FGC6553, FGC6554, FGC6556, FGC6557, FGC6558, L319, PF4341, Z17592, Z17593, Z17594, Z17595, Z17596, Z17597, Z17598, Z17600, Z17601, Z17602, Z18042, Z18044, Z18045, Z18046, Z18048, Z18049, Z18050, Z18051, CTS2230, Z2961, Z2962, Z2963, Z2964, Z2969, Z2970, Z2971, Z2972, Z2973, Z2976, Z2980, Z2983, Z2985, Z2986, ZP106, Y55, ZP113, ZP114, ZP115, ZP116, ZP148, ZP149

Here is a link to my depiction of this pack with SNP names AND position numbers in a tree-like format.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17907527/R1b-DF49xM222-Pack.pdf

Nice work, David. DF49xM222 is getting a very good swath of SNPs tested in the pack, including some experimental ZZ SNPs. I'm counting about 155 SNPs.

jdean
12-08-2015, 06:14 PM
Thanks Mike, it was a team effort at the end of the day which also wouldn't have been possible if it weren't for all the folk who ordered next gen tests.

See a nice batch of new DF49+ came through via your L21 SNP panel today, including a fellow with Spanish ancestry. He's only tested up to 12 loci but has a surname match who's got 111, I think they'll most likely end up DF23 something.

David Mc
12-08-2015, 08:49 PM
I recently had a new Big Y match that seems to be a French DF49, as well. I don't know if you've already been in touch with him-- I'll send you the info by pm if you don't know who I mean.

jdean
12-08-2015, 09:07 PM
I recently had a new Big Y match that seems to be a French DF49, as well. I don't know if you've already been in touch with him-- I'll send you the info by pm if you don't know who I mean.

Wow how on earth did I miss that ???

have you been in contact with this gentleman ?

dp
12-30-2015, 10:13 PM
I recently had a new Big Y match that seems to be a French DF49, as well. I don't know if you've already been in touch with him-- I'll send you the info by pm if you don't know who I mean.
I hadn't caught this post before. Thanks. Heck I had missed the whole thread :biggrin1:
dp

dp
12-31-2015, 07:38 PM
Here is the description of what's in the pack. You can get to it by going to myFTDNA, UPGRADE, ADVANCED TESTS and SELECT A PRODUCT=SNP PACK.

R1b-DF49xM222 SNP Pack $99 (for first run, then $119)

Includes the following SNPs on the haplotree:
DF23, M222, DF49, FGC436

Includes the following SNPs that are NOT on the haplotree:
L480, BY3439, BY3436, A8255, BY3440, BY3441, BY3442, FGC34047, BY3443, BY3444, BY3445, BY3446, FGC34048, BY3437, BY3438, BY1187, BY1243, BY1344, BY1524, BY1803, BY1815, BY2606, BY2607, BY2608, BY2609, BY2611, BY2612, BY2613, BY2614, BY2615, BY2617, BY2628, BY2629, BY2639, BY2670, BY2673, BY2676, BY2677, BY2729, BY336, ZZ33_1, ZZ30_1, ZZ29_1, ZP82, ZP81, ZP80, ZP77, ZP76, ZP75, ZP73, ZP72, ZP71, ZP70, ZP69, ZP67, ZP66, ZP60, ZP58, ZP57, ZP56, ZP44, ZP43, ZP42, ZP41, ZP23, ZP21, ZP20, ZP18, BY337, BY338, BY339, BY340, BY341, BY342, BY343, BY482, BY483, BY484, BY485, BY487, BY488, BY489, BY490, BY815, BY838, FGC11165, FGC11177, FGC11189, FGC11191, FGC11193, FGC30379, FGC30380, FGC30381, FGC30382, FGC30384, FGC30386, FGC30387, FGC30390, FGC30391, FGC30392, FGC30393, FGC30394, FGC6546, FGC6550, FGC6552, FGC6553, FGC6554, FGC6556, FGC6557, FGC6558, L319, PF4341, Z17592, Z17593, Z17594, Z17595, Z17596, Z17597, Z17598, Z17600, Z17601, Z17602, Z18042, Z18044, Z18045, Z18046, Z18048, Z18049, Z18050, Z18051, CTS2230, Z2961, Z2962, Z2963, Z2964, Z2969, Z2970, Z2971, Z2972, Z2973, Z2976, Z2980, Z2983, Z2985, Z2986, ZP106, Y55, ZP113, ZP114, ZP115, ZP116, ZP148, ZP149

Here is a link to my depiction of this pack with SNP names AND position numbers in a tree-like format.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17907527/R1b-DF49xM222-Pack.pdf

Nice work, David. DF49xM222 is getting a very good swath of SNPs tested in the pack, including some experimental ZZ SNPs. I'm counting about 155 SNPs.

Mikewww:
Thanks for the .pdf giving the base positions.
Dave:
Thanks for putting all the ZP106 equivalents in the pack. It will be nice to see which one ends up to be the most phylogenetic.
All the DF49 project members:
Happy New Year.
dp :-)

seven-nine
02-29-2016, 05:52 PM
I am R-ZP77*. Is this earth-shattering news of interest to anyone posting on this thread?

Dubhthach
02-29-2016, 06:14 PM
I am R-ZP77*. Is this earth-shattering news of interest to anyone posting on this thread?

ZP77 is also known as FGC6562, here's a copy of section of Alex Williamson ytree site showing men who are ZP77/FGC5652 and have done BigY.

http://ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=556&star=false

Here's a diagram from DF49 project that might help as well.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10258680/Draft_DF49xM222_Tree%20v21.png

seven-nine
02-29-2016, 06:23 PM
Thank you very much for posting that, Dubhthach, but I've seen it before. I am just wondering if my paternal family origins could ultimately be Irish. My family story is a bit complicated to say the least.

brimcmike
03-01-2016, 12:37 PM
I am R-ZP148 (NGS being budgeted for) upstream and parallel of you. I have no paper trail past 1776 in America. I have a close 64/67 STR match to a line with a paper paper trail County Antrim, Ulster, Ireland to 1730. Then a brick wall. Our surname is an anglicization of a relatively uncommon Gaelic patronym with a historical locus in the Nithdale of Dumfriesshire, Scotland. Working on locating a man with the surname from this area to test.

The other surnames sharing the SNP from the R-DF49 and Subclades Project database is mixture of Anglo-Saxon and anglicized Gaelic surnames (based on predicted ZP148 SNP from STR haplotypes, there is an even larger set of surnames with this same mixed ethnicity).

There are only a few places where the right sorts of political-cultural-linguistic forces of mediaeval times that would have brought these groups together in such a way that would work out like this - mixed Anglo-Saxon and/or Gaelic culture superimposed on British genes. I think a reasonable hypothesis is a geographical origin in Britain, in what is now southwest Scotland and northwest England.

Using the online interactive Named http://named.publicprofiler.org, if I pair our surname with other surnames sharing the SNP from the R-DF49 and Subclades Project database, it tends to confirm either this Nithdale localization or a localization in Northern Ireland. Of course we still have to prove this Scottish localization with testing.

To me these lines of preliminary evidence lead me to believe that my SNP is Insular Celtic, but being Briton of The Old North, probably in and around the Solway Firth, rather than being Gael of Ireland and Scotland.

MacUalraig
03-01-2016, 02:30 PM
I am R-ZP148 (NGS being budgeted for) upstream and parallel of you. I have no paper trail past 1776 in America. I have a close 64/67 STR match to a line with a paper paper trail County Antrim, Ulster, Ireland to 1730. Then a brick wall. Our surname is an anglicization of a relatively uncommon Gaelic patronym with a historical locus in the Nithdale of Dumfriesshire, Scotland. Working on locating a man with the surname from this area to test.

The other surnames sharing the SNP from the R-DF49 and Subclades Project database is mixture of Anglo-Saxon and anglicized Gaelic surnames (based on predicted ZP148 SNP from STR haplotypes, there is an even larger set of surnames with this same mixed ethnicity).

There are only a few places where the right sorts of political-cultural-linguistic forces of mediaeval times that would have brought these groups together in such a way that would work out like this - mixed Anglo-Saxon and/or Gaelic culture superimposed on British genes. I think a reasonable hypothesis is a geographical origin in Britain, in what is now southwest Scotland and northwest England.

Using the online interactive Named http://named.publicprofiler.org, if I pair our surname with other surnames sharing the SNP from the R-DF49 and Subclades Project database, it tends to confirm either this Nithdale localization or a localization in Northern Ireland. Of course we still have to prove this Scottish localization with testing.

To me these lines of preliminary evidence lead me to believe that my SNP is Insular Celtic, but being Briton of The Old North, probably in and around the Solway Firth, rather than being Gael of Ireland and Scotland.

What is the best estimate for the age of your terminal SNP? And what data puts your surname in Nithsdale, it looks more concentrated in Kirkcudbright than Dumfries to me (double the baptisms in the former for example).

Dubhthach
03-01-2016, 03:31 PM
Thank you very much for posting that, Dubhthach, but I've seen it before. I am just wondering if my paternal family origins could ultimately be Irish. My family story is a bit complicated to say the least.

Well given how old some of these SNP's are I'd imagine applying labels like Irish etc might be bit redundant (one could argue that a common Irish identity is only a product of post 5th century AD anways!) ;)

brimcmike
03-02-2016, 01:17 AM
I actually don't know the proposed age of the SNP, and not sure where to turn for that calculation/estimate. I figure some time after 4300 YBP, which is a proposed origin for both DF23 and downstream and parallel R-Z2961 http://www.yfull.com/tree/R-DF23/ Not sure if it's our terminal SNP just yet, planning on NGS.

I think you are right about the locale for the surname in earlier times. I know from the 1841 Census of England, Wales and Scotland, just under half of the 301 McMichaels counted on Great Britain were to be found in 3 counties:
55 Kirkcudbrightshire (Balmaclellan 20, Kirkmabreck 8, Crossmichael 7, Anwoth 5, Colvend 4, Dalry 4, Girthon 3, Kells 2, Kelton 2).
51 Dumfriesshire (Kirkconnel 14, St. Mungo 14, Sanquhar 11, Morton 5, Dumfries 4, Tothorwald 2, Penpont 1).
44 Ayrshire (New Cumnock 21, Old Cumnock 13, Kilmarnock 6, Muirkirk 4).

At present, the McMichael density in Scotland seems to have translocated a little west to the Nithdale. I am trying to make contact with some living McMichaels that I found around Thornhill, Dumfiresshire.
Using the "Named" resource http://named.publicprofiler.org I figured that serially cross-referencing McMichael against the other ZP148+/predicted surnames would perhaps correct for some historical wobble. This process, however flawed, definitely lights up along the River Nith and/or north central Northern Ireland.

Dubhthach
03-02-2016, 03:18 PM
I actually don't know the proposed age of the SNP, and not sure where to turn for that calculation/estimate. I figure some time after 4300 YBP, which is a proposed origin for both DF23 and downstream and parallel R-Z2961 http://www.yfull.com/tree/R-DF23/ Not sure if it's our terminal SNP just yet, planning on NGS.

I think you are right about the locale for the surname in earlier times. I know from the 1841 Census of England, Wales and Scotland, just under half of the 301 McMichaels counted on Great Britain were to be found in 3 counties:
55 Kirkcudbrightshire (Balmaclellan 20, Kirkmabreck 8, Crossmichael 7, Anwoth 5, Colvend 4, Dalry 4, Girthon 3, Kells 2, Kelton 2).
51 Dumfriesshire (Kirkconnel 14, St. Mungo 14, Sanquhar 11, Morton 5, Dumfries 4, Tothorwald 2, Penpont 1).
44 Ayrshire (New Cumnock 21, Old Cumnock 13, Kilmarnock 6, Muirkirk 4).

At present, the McMichael density in Scotland seems to have translocated a little west to the Nithdale. I am trying to make contact with some living McMichaels that I found around Thornhill, Dumfiresshire.
Using the "Named" resource http://named.publicprofiler.org I figured that serially cross-referencing McMichael against the other ZP148+/predicted surnames would perhaps correct for some historical wobble. This process, however flawed, definitely lights up along the River Nith and/or north central Northern Ireland.

You might find the following map interesting (for context of distrubution of name in Ireland), it's hosted on Irish Times website, it maps instances of surnames (by household) as recorded in Griffith survey's of mid 19th century:

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm?fuseaction=Go.&Surname=McMichael&UserID=

Vast bulk been case of Ireland been in Antrim. The 1901 census records 283 McMichael's, of whom
137 were in Antrim
60 in Derry
37 in Tyrone
18 in Cavan

brimcmike
03-02-2016, 03:37 PM
Yes, thanks Dubhthach, I have looked that over some. That Irish locale is well established.
So, far from the McMichael / MacMichael Surname Project (https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mc-michael-mac-michael-surname/activity-feed) we have a cluster of 5 men (3 living in the US, [1 with a brickwall at Revolutionary America & 2 with a paper trail to Antrim, Ulster, Ireland], 1 living in Antrim, 1 recently deceased, who lived in Antrim), who we think are of a line that will trace back to Galloway and Dumfries.
One man, who lives in Antrim, is a close match to Irish Sea Haplotype Carmichaels from Lismore.
Another man, who lives in Dublin, likely bears a Norman haplotype.
I think Gaelic patronyms are a final common pathway from many routes.

MacUalraig
03-02-2016, 04:18 PM
I actually don't know the proposed age of the SNP, and not sure where to turn for that calculation/estimate. I figure some time after 4300 YBP, which is a proposed origin for both DF23 and downstream and parallel R-Z2961 http://www.yfull.com/tree/R-DF23/ Not sure if it's our terminal SNP just yet, planning on NGS.

I think you are right about the locale for the surname in earlier times. I know from the 1841 Census of England, Wales and Scotland, just under half of the 301 McMichaels counted on Great Britain were to be found in 3 counties:
55 Kirkcudbrightshire (Balmaclellan 20, Kirkmabreck 8, Crossmichael 7, Anwoth 5, Colvend 4, Dalry 4, Girthon 3, Kells 2, Kelton 2).
51 Dumfriesshire (Kirkconnel 14, St. Mungo 14, Sanquhar 11, Morton 5, Dumfries 4, Tothorwald 2, Penpont 1).
44 Ayrshire (New Cumnock 21, Old Cumnock 13, Kilmarnock 6, Muirkirk 4).

At present, the McMichael density in Scotland seems to have translocated a little west to the Nithdale. I am trying to make contact with some living McMichaels that I found around Thornhill, Dumfiresshire.
Using the "Named" resource http://named.publicprofiler.org I figured that serially cross-referencing McMichael against the other ZP148+/predicted surnames would perhaps correct for some historical wobble. This process, however flawed, definitely lights up along the River Nith and/or north central Northern Ireland.

Yes, I usually use the Surname Atlas in relative density mode (off the 1881 census). One interesting point to note is that in 1881 the population of Dumfriesshire was much higher than in Kirkcudbright although your name was higher in the latter in both modes. The new mapping tool you used seems to be using the electoral register but via KDE. Not sure what it picked up north of Dumfries, maybe a farmer and his sons living nearby or something like that maybe.

brimcmike
03-02-2016, 07:10 PM
A painter and his sons in Thornhill :beerchug:

In any case, I am up against this next obstacle, if not a wall, brick or otherwise.
It seems that most of the FTDNA haplogroup and surname project participants have similar limitations with respect to the information on the location of their ancestors, at least from what's posted on the project results spreadsheets, i.e., country-level location to about the late early modern era.

What assumptions and tools besides what we're discussing in these last few posts are considered useful and valid for localizing ancestors, and even subclades, to at least the beginning of the modern era, and even stretching back through to the early historical period, and even into prehistoric British antiquity?

From my reading, it seems that over Great Britain there was fairly stable settlement of tribal heartlands from at least the early historical period. Certainly, there was flux along boundaries. Also there were catastrophes/opportunities among the groups with famine/plague/war/dislocation/migration/invasion at whiles. However, it seems that the greater populaces of the named groups of the Ptolemaic maps, including the Scotii, remained mostly in place, even as superimposed occupying forces and conquering elites came and went. Of course, the immigration and assimilation of the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danes and Vikings, who came and often stayed, interjected new cultural-linguistic and genetic influence, esp. variously along the coasts, and particularly in the east, à la Leslie et al., 2015 (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v519/n7543/full/nature14230.html)

Many thanks!

brimcmike
03-02-2016, 08:04 PM
Accidental duplicate, sorry.

dp
03-15-2016, 08:27 PM
If I'm not on here on the day, Happy St. Patrick's Day.
a DF23 long lost cousin.
dp :-)

I am R-ZP148 (NGS being budgeted for) upstream and parallel of you. I have no paper trail past 1776 in America. I have a close 64/67 STR match to a line with a paper paper trail County Antrim, Ulster, Ireland to 1730. Then a brick wall. Our surname is an anglicization of a relatively uncommon Gaelic patronym with a historical locus in the Nithdale of Dumfriesshire, Scotland. Working on locating a man with the surname from this area to test.

The other surnames sharing the SNP from the R-DF49 and Subclades Project database is mixture of Anglo-Saxon and anglicized Gaelic surnames (based on predicted ZP148 SNP from STR haplotypes, there is an even larger set of surnames with this same mixed ethnicity).

There are only a few places where the right sorts of political-cultural-linguistic forces of mediaeval times that would have brought these groups together in such a way that would work out like this - mixed Anglo-Saxon and/or Gaelic culture superimposed on British genes. I think a reasonable hypothesis is a geographical origin in Britain, in what is now southwest Scotland and northwest England.

Using the online interactive Named http://named.publicprofiler.org, if I pair our surname with other surnames sharing the SNP from the R-DF49 and Subclades Project database, it tends to confirm either this Nithdale localization or a localization in Northern Ireland. Of course we still have to prove this Scottish localization with testing.

To me these lines of preliminary evidence lead me to believe that my SNP is Insular Celtic, but being Briton of The Old North, probably in and around the Solway Firth, rather than being Gael of Ireland and Scotland.

brimcmike
03-16-2016, 01:11 PM
Lá fhéile Pádraig sona daoibh, do mo chol ceathracha!
Dydd gwyl Padrig sant hapus, i fy cefndryd!
:beerchug:

PaulBurns
04-22-2016, 02:36 PM
I have a member of my project who has taken the DF49 Pack and is ZP58. He is asking if he will gain much info if he now tests the Big Y. Any comments I can pass on to him?
Paul Burns

jdean
04-22-2016, 03:06 PM
I have a member of my project who has taken the DF49 Pack and is ZP58. He is asking if he will gain much info if he now tests the Big Y. Any comments I can pass on to him?
Paul Burns

Wow, send me a PM please !!!

PaulBurns
04-22-2016, 08:10 PM
I tried to send you a pm via this channel but apparently your mailbox is full. If you need any info about the potential tester (134461) please email me at [email protected]
thanks,
Paul

dp
04-22-2016, 09:53 PM
I have a member of my project who has taken the DF49 Pack and is ZP58. He is asking if he will gain much info if he now tests the Big Y. Any comments I can pass on to him?
Paul Burns
Dear Paul,
send him this please,
https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join-request.aspx?group=R-DF49_Subgroups&vGroup=R-DF49

that branch of DF49 does not have as developed a phylogeny as say the Z2961xM222 branches. I'm sure Dave will concur that he should consider additional testing. Also, Big-Y is now greatly reduced from its normal price.
dp :-)

MacEochaidh
05-13-2016, 04:21 PM
I got my Big Y results last night a month early! I went fro DF23, Z2861- to ZP148. I'm a Doherty from Inishowen. My closest Big Y match was "Reynolds".

rms2
05-14-2016, 12:28 PM
I got my Big Y results last night a month early! I went fro DF23, Z2861- to ZP148. I'm a Doherty from Inishowen. My closest Big Y match was "Reynolds".

Congratulations!

Have you sent your stuff to Alex yet? Here's how:

http://www.ytree.net/Instructions.html

dp
05-14-2016, 04:17 PM
I got my Big Y results last night a month early! I went fro DF23, Z2861- to ZP148. I'm a Doherty from Inishowen. My closest Big Y match was "Reynolds".
Good news :-)
dp

PerthshireScot-F
06-19-2016, 04:26 PM
I am also ZP77. I discovered this yesterday. My great, great grandfather was a master stonemason in Perthshire and came to Canada. Presently, I am living in the US. The surnames associated with this SNP include MacDonald, Alexander, Forsyth and Faichney and I am sure many others. If you would be willing to volunteer the surnames of others I would be appreciative. My father's side described themselves as Highland Scotch. I gathered from this and also my surname, Faichney, that he was a Gael. If there is anything to be said about this place on big Y, I would say it is that we come from a line of people who populated mainly Ireland and Scotland and, at least for Faichneys, there are not a great number carrying my surname. Perhaps your surname is a more common one. I feel a sense of pride in having a gaelic heritage and I presume that you do as well. By the way, do you have the Gaelic language?

dp
06-20-2016, 03:57 PM
[duplicate withdrawn]

dp
06-20-2016, 03:58 PM
I am also ZP77. I discovered this yesterday. My great, great grandfather was a master stonemason in Perthshire and came to Canada. Presently, I am living in the US. The surnames associated with this SNP include MacDonald, Alexander, Forsyth and Faichney and I am sure many others. If you would be willing to volunteer the surnames of others I would be appreciative. My father's side described themselves as Highland Scotch. I gathered from this and also my surname, Faichney, that he was a Gael. If there is anything to be said about this place on big Y, I would say it is that we come from a line of people who populated mainly Ireland and Scotland and, at least for Faichneys, there are not a great number carrying my surname. Perhaps your surname is a more common one. I feel a sense of pride in having a gaelic heritage and I presume that you do as well. By the way, do you have the Gaelic language?
The following members of the DF49 project at Family Tree DNA (https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join-request.aspx?group=R-DF49_Subgroups&vGroup=R-DF49) have tested positive for the ZP77 SNP:
Alexander (B5705)
Bartholomew A8255+ (338585)
Kelley FGC6546+ (265425)
Kelly FGC6546+ (323714, 84938, 100219)
MacDonald (355882)
Madden FGC6546+ (160027)
Noble A8255+ (N126658)
Sullivan ZP66+ (255112)
After the surnames is the downstream branch SNP from ZP77, if determined.

Two of the surnames that you mentioned are represented.
If you have not yet joined the DF49 project, and have a kit at FamilyTreeDNA please do so.
Thanks,
dp :-)

seven-nine
08-07-2016, 04:39 PM
Added to this list is MacMillan (41355), my closest match at 61-67. I also match with a MacDonald from the isle of Lewis at 37 markers. The MacMillans came from the south-west of Argyll and there are other DF23s in the same area - MacNeils, for example. There's an unfolding story going on here. My great-grandfather was illegitimate but family traditions points to a Lewis origin for my paternal ancestors.

MacUalraig
08-08-2016, 12:29 PM
I am also ZP77. I discovered this yesterday. My great, great grandfather was a master stonemason in Perthshire and came to Canada. Presently, I am living in the US. The surnames associated with this SNP include MacDonald, Alexander, Forsyth and Faichney and I am sure many others. If you would be willing to volunteer the surnames of others I would be appreciative. My father's side described themselves as Highland Scotch. I gathered from this and also my surname, Faichney, that he was a Gael. If there is anything to be said about this place on big Y, I would say it is that we come from a line of people who populated mainly Ireland and Scotland and, at least for Faichneys, there are not a great number carrying my surname. Perhaps your surname is a more common one. I feel a sense of pride in having a gaelic heritage and I presume that you do as well. By the way, do you have the Gaelic language?

Can you share your ancestral parish in Perthshire if you have determined it? As you probably know the county straddles the highland divide. For example the language barrier in the late 1700s bisected Little Dunkeld parish which is one of my two ancestral Perthshire parishes, the other being Fortingall which was purely Gaelic speaking at the time.

tx

mike2landon
08-09-2016, 03:19 PM
Am hoping you guys will have some idea about my end test results which is R-BY3436 - I started at R-DF49 - Then down to R-DF23 - Then to R-Z2961 (Neg for R-M222) - Then to R-ZP75/76 (Neg for R-ZP77) - Then to R-BY3436. My Landon Family started travel from Stokes County, NC, about 1818 and went down to and through the Cumberland Gap and over to Tennessee for a couple years and finally to the new Jackson Purchase area of (Calloway County) Western Kentucky. However my Closest match 110/111 markers is a "Johnston" fellow in Ontario, Canada (He has only tested to R-L21). Many of my closest matches are Johnson or Johnston. "and on" wise - Only my younger brother showed up on my "Y" List. Another very close match is a "Barnett" in Australia (He has only tested to R-M269). I looked at the R-BY3436 list and find Johnston, Johnson, Landon, Elder, Fancher, and a Smith families - Close by (R-ZP75) I see a "Brown". Am hoping someone has information to share on this tree branch. Thanks

dp
08-09-2016, 06:13 PM
Am hoping you guys will have some idea about my end test results which is R-BY3436 - I started at R-DF49 - Then down to R-DF23 - Then to R-Z2961 (Neg for R-M222) - Then to R-ZP75/76 (Neg for R-ZP77) - Then to R-BY3436. My Landon Family started travel from Stokes County, NC, about 1818 and went down to and through the Cumberland Gap and over to Tennessee for a couple years and finally to the new Jackson Purchase area of (Calloway County) Western Kentucky. However my Closest match 110/111 markers is a "Johnston" fellow in Ontario, Canada (He has only tested to R-L21). Many of my closest matches are Johnson or Johnston. "and on" wise - Only my younger brother showed up on my "Y" List. Another very close match is a "Barnett" in Australia (He has only tested to R-M269). I looked at the R-BY3436 list and find Johnston, Johnson, Landon, Elder, Fancher, and a Smith families - Close by (R-ZP75) I see a "Brown". Am hoping someone has information to share on this tree branch. Thanks
BY3436 is 08138930-C-T, at the time the chip test was released, was/is equivalent to FGC30379 (23748686-T-G), FGC30380 (14881820-T-C), FGC30381 (16830187-T-C), FGC30382 (21098374-G-T), and FGC30386 (07829918-C-G).
They are directly downstream from ZP75 (07104262-C-T) & its equivalent ZP76 (15566916-G-A). The most branchiest branch of ZP75 at present is/was ZP77 (4487799-A-G). You belong to the less branchy branch of ZP75, that of BY3436 (and equivalents), which only has one downstream branch. It is/was defined by:
FGC30384 (06949907-A-G), and its equivalents, FGC30387 (08012861-C-G), FGC30390 (14276308-C-T), FGC30391 (15152076-T-C), FGC30392 (16232762-C-G), FGC30393 (17491113-A-G), and FGC30394 (17568885-G-A).
Presuming that you had good returns on your chip test --or Big-Y-- at these positions, you do not belong to this known branch of BY3436 (and equivalents). So your branching is: DF23>Z2961>ZP75>BY3436.
dp :-)