View Full Version : BritainsDNA Stats for DF41 (S524)

12-11-2015, 01:52 PM
Toward the end of last week I emailed BritainsDNA and asked for some stats on S524/DF41. A couple of days ago, I heard back from Dr. Angelika Kritz of BDNA. Here are the stats she gave me, exclusive of the R1b-S388/L745 Royal Stewart lineage and the SNPs L563, S273 and S8311, which she identified as almost exclusively Scottish. Dr. Kritz said S524 (DF41) is most common in Scotland, at 3.9%, followed by Wales at 1.4%, Ireland at 1.0%, and England at 0.5%. Those are percentages of the total y-dna and not merely of the R1b or of the S145/L21.

Dr. Kritz did say, ". . . [I]t is likely that there is a Welsh cluster below S524 for which we have yet to find a defining SNP" and mentioned that three of their Welsh S524+ customers carry the surname Jones (not surprising in Wales obviously). I have two Joneses among my haplotype matches.

Of course, I think the defining SNP for that Welsh cluster is BY178 (among a number of them), which turned up in Big Y testing of myself and two other members of my cluster and in subsequent SNP testing of another cluster member.

Anyway, it would be interesting to see a map of the birthplaces of the most distant known ancestors of these R1b-DF41 BDNA customers.

12-28-2015, 04:12 PM
Hi, Cant help you with Welsh but I am in DF41/S524 > MC21 on FTDNA and have taken the BigY. There are in my part of MC21 1x Irish, 1 Scottish and 3 (inc my father) from Devonian ancestry

FTDNA Simon Adams - 397394
FTDNA Peter Adams - Fr 15596
FTDNA Rebekah Adams - Dr 397395
23andMe Simon Adams
AncestryDNA - subbies
Gedmatch - 9207907

My ytree is http://www.yfull.com/share/yreport/0f6ed4ea11dac4b634b5b5a8a95cb800/

Regards and good luck