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Clinton P
08-07-2012, 02:01 PM
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Tree for R-U106 Haplogroup as of 7 Aug 2012 (Revision 7a). Any constructive criticism, errors or omissions, please let me know.

Bob47
08-14-2012, 02:24 PM
Glad to get the email for Anthrogenia today! Good to see you Clinton. Thanks for all your work.

gigrant74
08-14-2012, 05:51 PM
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Tree for R-U106 Haplogroup as of 7 Aug 2012 (Revision 7a). Any constructive criticism, errors or omissions, please let me know.

Hi Clinton. Any chance of one day adding ages of the tree branches as they become known? I'm always curious as to the ages of L-47* compared to U-106 for example.

Great tree - thanks for sharing!!!

:)

VinceT
08-15-2012, 07:45 AM
L199 should be L199.1 now, and is likely a family SNP, my father and myself the only positives. L199.2 (one person) is in haplogroup E.

GTC
08-15-2012, 08:08 AM
Hi Clinton. Any chance of one day adding ages of the tree branches as they become known? I'm always curious as to the ages of L-47* compared to U-106 for example.

Great tree - thanks for sharing!!!

:)

But whose age estimates to use?

Clinton P
08-15-2012, 08:31 AM
I donít think a consensus has been reached about the age of R-U106, let alone all itís subclades.

The last I heard, Dr Tim Janzen was about to take on the task of trying to do this. However, some of the subclades of R-U106 have such few numbers, that I doubt a meaningful result could be obtained for these (I donít know what the minimum number of haplotypes is needed, to perform these calculations).

If anyone is willing to come up with a timeline that is acceptable to all the R-U106 Guruís. Then I would gladly add this to the tree.

Clinton P

Clinton P
08-15-2012, 08:48 AM
L199 should be L199.1 now, and is likely a family SNP, my father and myself the only positives. L199.2 (one person) is in haplogroup E.

Thanks Vince, I will include this when I get round to doing the next update.

Am I correct in thinking that L199.2 is showing up as L675 on Thomas Krahn's y-chromosome browser?

Clinton P

gigrant74
08-15-2012, 01:57 PM
But whose age estimates to use?


That is a great question. I keep forgetting that there is no agreed upon dates still. Hopefully Tim's research can clear this up.

When DNA testing is done on old graves/burial sites, how often is that info submitted to companies like FTDNA? I would think if a database of this information is created and analyzed, an earliest known occurrence of specific SNPs could be determined and agreed upon (with an acceptable sample size). Some old finds like Cheddar Man have had mtdna done but not y-dna, which baffles me....

GTC
08-15-2012, 10:49 PM
That is a great question. I keep forgetting that there is no agreed upon dates still. Hopefully Tim's research can clear this up.

When DNA testing is done on old graves/burial sites, how often is that info submitted to companies like FTDNA? I would think if a database of this information is created and analyzed, an earliest known occurrence of specific SNPs could be determined and agreed upon (with an acceptable sample size). Some old finds like Cheddar Man have had mtdna done but not y-dna, which baffles me....

As I understand it, mtDNA is considerably easier to recover from ancient remains than is Y-DNA.

Then there is the high possibility of DNA contamination from those who have handled the remains over the years since they were unearthed. These days DNA detectives dress up like CSI examiners to ensure that they don't accidentally contaminate the specimens.

VinceT
08-16-2012, 02:25 AM
Thanks Vince, I will include this when I get round to doing the next update.

Am I correct in thinking that L199.2 is showing up as L675 on Thomas Krahn's y-chromosome browser?

Clinton P

L199.1 is under R-U106 (xL5, L6, L217.1, Z16, Z18, Z19, Z381).
L199.2 is under E-M35.
L443 is under R-L2.
L675 is under E-V22.

Wing Genealogist
08-22-2012, 11:20 AM
Recently, Jim Wilson from ScotlandsDNA has used chip-based SNP testing to place another SNP between Z1 & Z6. This SNP is Z344, found in the 1000 Genome Project, but had been listed as slightly speculative according to the work of Greg Magoon (and possibly others). The chip-based testing found at least one individual who was Z344 (aka S514) positive but Z6 (aka S76) negative and was able to verify some Z6/S76+ folks.

I have contacted Thomas Krahn at FT-DNA and informed him of this new hierarchy and asked if FT-DNA can make Z344 available for purchase. According to his yMap database, primers have already been developed for this SNP, so it should be a fairly simple process to make it available.

Treffie
08-26-2012, 09:54 PM
According to Eupedia, R-U106 is less than 1% in Wales. Can't make up my mind if I'm a freak or just extra special.

Ribiaz
08-28-2012, 11:29 PM
Freaky Treffie, have you tested any further than U106? Do you have a ysearch ID?

Peter M
09-21-2012, 12:47 AM
Would it be an idea to give the family/private SNPs (e.g. L325) a different colour ?

GTC
09-21-2012, 06:36 AM
Would it be an idea to give the family/private SNPs (e.g. L325) a different colour ?

In Clinton's diagram, private/family SNPs are already differentiated by being colored pink.

Clinton P
09-21-2012, 11:03 AM
I'm thinking about designating L325 and L5 as 'Private/Family' SNP's at the next update.

Only one person has been found to be derived for L325 out of 1,252 tests, and despite being part of the deep clade test.

Again, only one person has been found to be derived for L5 out of 1,544 tests.

I'm not even sure if anyone is persuing potential candidates for these two SNP's.

GTC
09-21-2012, 11:57 AM
I'm thinking about designating L325 and L5 as 'Private/Family' SNP's at the next update.

Only one person has been found to be derived for L325 out of 1,252 tests, and despite being part of the deep clade test.

Again, only one person has been found to be derived for L5 out of 1,544 tests.

I'm not even sure if anyone is persuing potential candidates for these two SNP's.

The notes on the ISOGG R tree say L325 was moved from tree to Private on 9 August 2012, and L5 is shown in the SNP Index as "R1b (Private)".

Allen Brown
10-06-2012, 03:42 PM
According to Eupedia, R-U106 is less than 1% in Wales. Can't make up my mind if I'm a freak or just extra special.

I am unclear on the source of the Eupedia maps. Does anyone know what data they are based on?

GTC
10-07-2012, 05:53 AM
I am unclear on the source of the Eupedia maps. Does anyone know what data they are based on?

The very mention of Eupedia on some forums can trigger a flame war. Seems some people strongly dislike its assertions/conclusions regarding some ethnicities and claim some sort of editorial bias in that regard. I'm not an expert by any means, so I have no dog in that fight.

As for data sources, on this page:

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

... they say:

"A non-exhaustive list of the sources used for this page can be found here:

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml#Sources

Allen Brown
10-07-2012, 10:01 AM
Thank you. I will stop asking that question and also stop placing too much weight on the maps.

Peter M
10-13-2012, 01:27 PM
I'm thinking about designating L325 and L5 as 'Private/Family' SNP's at the next update.

Only one person has been found to be derived for L325 out of 1,252 tests, and despite being part of the deep clade test.

Again, only one person has been found to be derived for L5 out of 1,544 tests.

I'm not even sure if anyone is persuing potential candidates for these two SNP's.

L325 is Z18+ and therefore we're watching it closely. The problem is, we haven't been able to find a single person who we reasonably consider to be likely to test L325+. I think it would be a good idea to consider L325 to be private.

Does this help ?

Celtarion
07-07-2013, 11:59 AM
Hi Everyone,

Sorry to post there as this is an old topic and there is no update since (or maybe on other forums that I'm not aware of).

Is there an update of the phylogenetic tree? Any link other than ISOGG? Something similar as:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R1b-YDNA/
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R1b-L21-Project/

Thanks!

Joss.

Wing Genealogist
07-07-2013, 01:51 PM
The R1b-U106 Yahoogroup is continually updating our tree at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R1b1c_U106-S21/files/%20Administrator%27s%20Files/
However, only group members can access this file. I can send a copy to anyone if you send me an email: (wing_genealogist AT Yahoo DOT com)

wertner
07-13-2013, 11:01 PM
We found four SNPs (Z5052-Z5055) downstream of Z324 and parallel for Z80.
They are positive for HG02343 (Z324+, Z80-) and one Full Genomes sample (Z324+, Z80-), negative for NA20524 (Z80+) and another Full Genomes
sample (Z80+).
Z5052: 4946087 G->A
Z5053: 14123957 C->T
Z5054: 19057065 G->A
Z5055: 21118634 T->C

We registered them in Z-series (not our Y-series) for no conflict with Full Genomes.

Some links:
Table of more than 1100 samples of 1000 Genomes Project with haplogroups and ISOGG-terminal SNPs
http://www.yfull.com/1000genomes/

Tree with same information, for example, U106
http://www.yfull.com/tree/R1b1a2a1a1/

More about our service:
http://eng.molgen.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1159

Vadim Urasin
YFull, Y-Chr Sequence Interpretation Service
http://www.yfull.com

Cofgene
07-14-2013, 11:35 PM
We found four SNPs (Z5052-Z5055) downstream of Z324 and parallel for Z80.
They are positive for HG02343 (Z324+, Z80-) and one Full Genomes sample (Z324+, Z80-), negative for NA20524 (Z80+) and another Full Genomes
sample (Z80+).
Z5052: 4946087 G->A
Z5053: 14123957 C->T
Z5054: 19057065 G->A
Z5055: 21118634 T->C



L188 is downstream of these new SNPs.

Solothurn
07-15-2013, 02:15 PM
Is the U198 L129 new or would they show as this on 23andMe?

I ask as I have a 'cousin' confirmed U198 by 23andMe.

They have joined the FTDNA U198 project and it would be great for them to test for a new SNP!

wertner
07-16-2013, 10:31 PM
L188 is downstream of these new SNPs.
Yes, you are right. HG02343 is L188- and Full Genomes sample is L188+

wertner
07-16-2013, 11:36 PM
We found four SNPs (Z5052-Z5055) downstream of Z324 and parallel for Z80.
They are positive for HG02343 (Z324+, Z80-) and one Full Genomes sample (Z324+, Z80-)
As note Wayne in R1b1c_U106-S21 Yahoo group here I made typo. Сorrectly, SNPs (Z5052-Z5055) downstream of Z324 and parallel for Z81

Solothurn
03-03-2014, 03:51 PM
Any U198 on here that is awaiting tree updates, John Sloan sent me this link:

http://meekdna.com/U198dna/S29_4a.html