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Edward J
12-24-2015, 02:16 PM
Looking for some info on U2e2a1...

My mother's family is Italian from the Naples area of Italy. Would this Mt Haplogroup designation potentially imply a more northern origin of my maternal line? I can't find out much about it except for the info on Eupedia that is German/Scandinavian and looking at the U2 Project on FTDNA, it appears that most of the Europeans with this designation are from Denmark. With the Gothic invasions during the Roman Empire and later invasions by the Normans, it would seem at least be a possibility. I know that Norman lines are still quite common in Italy.

Thanks!

C J Wyatt III
12-24-2015, 02:27 PM
Edward J,

You have your mtDNA haplogroup listed as U2e21. Are you saying that your mother has been tested as U2e2a1? Is that the one that you are going with?

Thanks,

Jack

Edward J
12-24-2015, 03:38 PM
Oh yeah, that's a typo in my avatar...I will make the correction...I am U2e2a1.

GailT
12-25-2015, 03:20 PM
I'm a volunteer for the FTDNA U2 project - have you already joined the project. I have an age estimate for U2e2a1 of about 5000 years. It is found mostly in northern Europe today, but given the age of this subclade, I would not be confident in predicting that your maternal line has recent origins in northern Europe. If you have extra mutations that define a subclade of U2e2a1, I would look at the distribution of others who share your extra mutations to get a more reliable estimate of geographic origins for your maternal line.

Edward J
12-26-2015, 02:32 PM
Thanks for the info, but unfortunately I have only had my Mt DNA from 23andme. If I can convince my mother to test I will have her do FTDNA.

GailT
12-26-2015, 04:38 PM
Thanks for the info, but unfortunately I have only had my Mt DNA from 23andme. If I can convince my mother to test I will have her do FTDNA.

Did you upload the 23andMe results to James Lick's mthap tool? It might identify extra mutations.

Edward J
12-26-2015, 07:58 PM
Thanks! Yes I did use the calculator and U2e2a1 (or 4) where the best estimates. I didn't realize there were subclades deeper than this.

GailT
12-27-2015, 01:01 AM
Thanks! Yes I did use the calculator and U2e2a1 (or 4) where the best estimates. I didn't realize there were subclades deeper than this.


None that are officially recognized in Phylotree yet, but most people in U2e2a1 have extra mutations and eventually new subclades will be added. I have a couple of proposed subclades in the FTDNA project but not all of the samples have been submitted to GenBank.

Edward J
12-27-2015, 03:10 AM
1) U2e2a1

Defining Markers for haplogroup U2e2a1:
HVR2: 73G 152C 217C 263G 508G
CR: 750G 1438G 1811G 2706G 3720G 3849A 4553C 4736C 4769G 5390G 5426C 6045T 6152C 7028T 8473C 8860G 10876G 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 12557T 13020C 13734C 14766T 15326G 15907G
HVR1: 16051G (16092C) 16129C 16189C 16362C

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup U2e2a1 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 11467G 12308G 12372A ⇨ U ⇨ 1811G ⇨ U2'3'4'7'8'9 ⇨ 16051G ⇨ U2 ⇨ 152C ⇨ U2(T152C) ⇨ 508G 3720G 5390G 5426C 6045T 6152C 10876G 13020C 13734C 15907G 16129C 16189C 16362C ⇨ U2e ⇨ 217C ⇨ U2e1'2'3 ⇨ 8473C 12557T (16092C) ⇨ U2e2 ⇨ 3849A 4553C ⇨ U2e2a ⇨ 4736C ⇨ U2e2a1 ⇨ 16224C (16519C)

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(30): 73G 152C 217C 263G 508G 750G 1438G 1811G 2706G 3720G 3849A 4769G 5390G 5426C 6045T 6152C 7028T 8473C 8860G 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 13020C 13734C 14766T 15907G 16051G (16092C) 16129C
Flips(1): 16362G
Extras(1): 16224C (16519C)
No-Calls(1): 12557T
Untested(5): 4553 4736 10876 15326 16189

Edward J
12-27-2015, 03:10 AM
1) U2e2a4

Defining Markers for haplogroup U2e2a4:
HVR2: 73G 152C 217C 263G 508G
CR: 750G 1438G 1811G 2706G 3720G 3849A 4553C 4769G 5390G 5426C 5746A 6045T 6152C 7028T 8473C 8860G 10876G 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 12557T 13020C 13734C 14766T 15326G 15907G
HVR1: 16051G (16092C) 16129C 16189C 16362C

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup U2e2a4 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 11467G 12308G 12372A ⇨ U ⇨ 1811G ⇨ U2'3'4'7'8'9 ⇨ 16051G ⇨ U2 ⇨ 152C ⇨ U2(T152C) ⇨ 508G 3720G 5390G 5426C 6045T 6152C 10876G 13020C 13734C 15907G 16129C 16189C 16362C ⇨ U2e ⇨ 217C ⇨ U2e1'2'3 ⇨ 8473C 12557T (16092C) ⇨ U2e2 ⇨ 3849A 4553C ⇨ U2e2a ⇨ 5746A ⇨ U2e2a4 ⇨ 16224C (16519C)

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(30): 73G 152C 217C 263G 508G 750G 1438G 1811G 2706G 3720G 3849A 4769G 5390G 5426C 6045T 6152C 7028T 8473C 8860G 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 13020C 13734C 14766T 15907G 16051G (16092C) 16129C
Flips(1): 16362G
Extras(1): 16224C (16519C)
No-Calls(1): 12557T
Untested(5): 4553 5746 10876 15326 16189

Wosal
08-29-2017, 12:04 AM
[QUOTE=Edward J;128565]Looking for some info on U2e2a1...

I have the exact haplogroup