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Bulat
01-03-2016, 05:54 PM
The FTDNA defined for all the descendants of Kuns-Toksobichi in Bashkirs - total SNP SUR51.

SNP age SUR51 is not yet known, it is known only that the SNP over SUR1 (SNP of Basman) and under Saka-Dinling SNPs - Y2632, Y2633.

Plnagy
10-02-2018, 11:51 PM
What is the definition of the Saka- Dinling lineage? The Saka and Dingling word refer to ancient ethnic groups, right? Is there a publication that is generally accessible that described its discovery and what markers fall into this lineage?

Bulat
07-15-2020, 12:13 PM
What is the definition of the Saka- Dinling lineage? The Saka and Dingling word refer to ancient ethnic groups, right? Is there a publication that is generally accessible that described its discovery and what markers fall into this lineage?
Only historical article by Russian language.
https://arheologija.ru/tagarskaya-kultura/

Bulat
07-19-2020, 09:27 PM
LIFE'S TIME OF A COMMON ANCESTOR BY THE PATERNAL LINE BETWEEN THE ARPAD DYNASTY AND BASHKIRS R1a-SUR51

https://www.academia.edu/43664336/LIFES_TIME_OF_A_COMMON_ANCESTOR_BY_THE_PATERNAL_LI NE_BETWEEN_THE_ARPAD_DYNASTY_AND_BASHKIRS_R1a-SUR51

In July 2020, the results of the complete Y-DNA sequencing of the king of the Hungarian Arpad Dynasty — Bela III were published in Nature .
The result turned out to be somewhat unexpected for our project — the Arpads from subclade R1a-SUR51. The authors of the study of the paleo-DNA of the Arpad Dynasty indicate in the article that the Bashkirs R1a-SUR51 are the closest approximates relatives to the Arpad Dynasty, and the lifetime of the common ancestor of the Arpad Dynasty and Bashkirs R1a-SUR51 — beginning of our era. .
The paleo-DNA data of the Arpads allow a slightly different assumption about the ethnogenesis of the Bashkirs R1a-SUR51.
If we take into account the calculation of the authors of the study about the separation from the common ancestor of the Arpad Dynasty from the Bashkirs R1a-SUR51 by 2 thousand years ago, — then these are Sarmatian times. Then the ancestors of the Bashkirs R1a-SUR51 and the ancestors of the Arpad dynasty were part of the Sarmatian union of tribes called the Aorsi (Aorsen).
Later, as history has shown, the ancestors of the Arpads became part of the ancient Magyar-Hungarians of the Urals, and the ancestors of the Bashkirs became part of the Kipchak-Kuns.
The traditional Hungarian genealogy of the Arpads — brings their clan from the descendants of the ruler of the Huns — Attila , it is also indicated that the Arpads are relatives of the Bulgarian Dynasty Dulo of which such Bulgarian khans as Kubrat, Batbayan, Asparuh and others are known .
R. R. Suyunov suggests in this regard that the Bashkirs R1a-SUR51, like the Arpads, are probably descendants of the Hunnic Khan Attila , and that Attila was the ancestor of Ashina. To test this version, paleo-DNA data from Attila's descendants are required. R. R. Suyunov also considers that the common ancestor of the Bashkirs R1a-SUR51 and the Arpad Dynasty is a ruler from the clan of Attila who lived in the 7th century AD. Perhaps he is the mythical Oguz Khan, where his eldest son Kun (Gunesh) is the ancestor of the Bashkir R1a-SUR51.
B. A. Muratov put forward in connection with the data's paleo-DNA of the Arpad Dynasty - another version that perhaps the Arpads are descendants of the western house of Ashina (descendants of Istemi-Kagan) , either from Khan Turksanf or from Kutlug Sibir-khan Bagatur.
Kutlug Sibir-khan Bagatur Uraklan Ashina is a more likely contender for the role of the ancestor of the house of Arpads, since his title indicates that he is the khan of the Savirs, and the Savirs (Savart-Asfal) is the previously original name of the ancient Hungarians . Already the ethnonym Savart-Asfal itself indicates that the ancient Hungarians were an alliance of the Ugric (Savirs) and Turanian (Asfal) clans, where Asfal (Asjoloi) means ‘Hephthalites’.
On 17 markers, the Bela III haplotype diverges from the Bashkir R1a-SUR51 by 4 teps, which, according to the SKRZHAMM's formula, determines the lifetime of a common ancestor between the Arpad Dynasty and the Bashkirs R1a-SUR51 - in the 7th century, or to be more precise, at 628-th year of our era. The analysis of our project suggests that the divergence of the Arpads with the Bashkirs R1a-SUR51 falls on the era of the Western Turkic Kaganate.