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Tjada
01-05-2016, 05:44 PM
Hi,

According to 23andme my mtDNA = M42, from South/Central Asia (India).
When I look it up on the Internet, M42 says Aborigines from Australia.
Anybody who can tell me more about this M42? And if its found in India, where?

Greetings from Holland

Megalophias
01-05-2016, 07:05 PM
M42a is Australian, M42b is Indian - they are only very distantly related. M42 is found in Austro-Asiatic and Central Dravidian tribals (possibly elsewhere too, I don't know).

parasar
01-05-2016, 07:08 PM
Hi,

According to 23andme my mtDNA = M42, from South/Central Asia (India).
When I look it up on the Internet, M42 says Aborigines from Australia.
Anybody who can tell me more about this M42? And if its found in India, where?

Greetings from Holland

M42 shares a connection to Indian mtDNA, but M42 itself was considered an Oceanian line.

http://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2148-9-173
"Our complete mtDNA sequencing of 966 individuals from 26 relic populations of India identified seven individuals from central Dravidian and Austro-Asiatic tribes who share two basal synonymous mtDNA polymorphisms G8251A and A9156T with the M42 haplogroup, which is specific to Australian Aborigines."

There is also a "shared variant at nucleotide position 8793 between Australian specific haplogroup M42 and East/Southeast Eurasian specific haplogroup M10"

The paper also says this: "G8251A polymorphism. This polymorphism together with A9156T is present in all 7 Indian samples of this study, as well in one Indian sample (i.e. PU202) reported previously ... Both G8251A and A9156T are considered ancestral to M42, but the lack of G8251A in an Australian sub lineage consisting of two genomes indicates a back mutation event" - but I have my doubts since I think India was (re)populated from Oceania/E.SE Asia than the other way around.

Tjada
01-05-2016, 07:45 PM
Thank you Megalophias & Parasar.

The Austro Asiatic & Dravidian tribals are they much related? By language etc?

parasar
01-05-2016, 08:00 PM
Thank you Megalophias & Parasar.

The Austro Asiatic & Dravidian tribals are they much related? By language etc?

Tjada,
You are welcome!

Central Indian Dravidians have admixed quite a bit with the Austrics of the region. They are often both clubbed under "Adivasi" though they spoke completely unrelated languages at one time.

In the mid-Indian region, the Gond who number over 5 million, are the descendants of the dark skinned Kolarian or Dravidian tribes and speak dialects of Austric language family as are the Santhal who number 4 million. The Negrito and Austroloid people belong to the Mundari family of Munda, Santhal, Ho, Ashur, Kharia, Paniya, Saora etc. The Dravidian groups include the Gond, Oraon, Khond, Malto, Bhil, Mina, Garasia, Pradhan etc. and speak Austric or Dravidian family of languages http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?4032-Ancient-South-Asian-DNA-(including-impact-of-PIE)&p=75026&viewfull=1#post75026

Tjada
01-05-2016, 08:38 PM
Tjada,
You are welcome!

Central Indian Dravidians have admixed quite a bit with the Austrics of the region. They are often both clubbed under "Adivasi" though they spoke completely unrelated languages at one time.
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?4032-Ancient-South-Asian-DNA-(including-impact-of-PIE)&p=75026&viewfull=1#post75026

Ah I see!!
I'm so curious to see which one I belong to, I mean where my ancestors came from.
I's there by any chance a tool at gedmatch that you know of that I can use to upload my rawdata?
At 23andme I have a small percentage of South Asia. I think that it is linked to my haplogroup also, haha.
But I'm from the Moluccan Islands of eastern Indonesia and I know that at one time many Indians were also there..

parasar
01-05-2016, 08:58 PM
Ah I see!!
I'm so curious to see which one I belong to, I mean where my ancestors came from.
I's there by any chance a tool at gedmatch that you know of that I can use to upload my rawdata?
At 23andme I have a small percentage of South Asia. I think that it is linked to my haplogroup also, haha.
But I'm from the Moluccan Islands of eastern Indonesia and I know that at one time many Indians were also there..

You should be able to upload your raw 23andme data to Gedmatch.

Cloves from the Moluccas reached as far as Mesopotamia likely via South Asian merchants.
Terqa cloves 1700bc
https://books.google.com/books?id=O_aFGKPsWwcC&pg=PA270

Tjada
01-05-2016, 09:08 PM
You should be able to upload your raw 23andme data to Gedmatch.

Cloves from the Moluccas reached as far as Mesopotamia likely via South Asian merchants.
Terqa cloves 1700bc
https://books.google.com/books?id=O_aFGKPsWwcC&pg=PA270

Oh, I mean, do you know a calculator at gedmatch that is more specific into Indian tribals?
I already use gedmatch, but there are so many calculators and I just want to take a deeper look into my Indian herritage...

Ah interesting, I know that the Moluccans were called 'the spice Islands' not to long ago..
But that it also reached as far as Mesopotamia in the old days is new to me! Thanks for sharing!

Tjada
01-19-2016, 07:46 PM
Hi all,

Because I wanted to be sure if I was M42b, I had uploaded my rawdata at dna.jameslick.
I came out as: M74b1. (Its's a subgroup of M42'74 I guess?)

I had heard that the James Lick's utility and the tree at www.phylptree.org are much
more up-to-date than 23andMe.

:)

Riccardo
02-20-2020, 04:26 AM
Hi Tjada. My son is half indonesian of chinese ancestry but I have heard from my wife that her maternal great great grandmother was pure indonesian from Demak. My son's mtdna results to be M74b1. Do we have more informations about this haplogroup? Thank you

Tjada
04-01-2020, 05:07 PM
Hi Tjada. My son is half indonesian of chinese ancestry but I have heard from my wife that her maternal great great grandmother was pure indonesian from Demak. My son's mtdna results to be M74b1. Do we have more informations about this haplogroup? Thank you

Hi Ricardo,

My maternal line comes from Timor Island, eastern Indonesia.
Unfortunately I can't find much info about our haplogroup other than the "brief" information by searching on google ;)

Blessings,
Tjada

Riccardo
05-26-2020, 03:16 PM
Hi Ricardo,

My maternal line comes from Timor Island, eastern Indonesia.
Unfortunately I can't find much info about our haplogroup other than the "brief" information by searching on google ;)

Blessings,
Tjada


Did you take a full mitocondrial from FTDNA? I plan to do so with my daugther.