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xsayo123
01-11-2016, 07:39 PM
Okay I'm a noob and recently tested 23andme and my dad did a y-37 for FTDNA and I decided to do the NGE2.0 because of the SNPs I really desired to know what it would be. Sorry this is urgent and Nat geo and FTDNA i cant reach em I really want my father to know his deep lineage and this test took 10 weeks so I expected it to be good.. or idk... sorry just out of it now.

In 23andme and FTDNA my dad was C2-M217 well C3-M217
While for me I got the same as him for 23andme

Well I gotten my results for NGE2 and it gave me J-CTS2906 for y DNA
my mtdna is concurrent and is the same as 23andme N9a but NGE2.0 made it N9A4B while the autosomal was similar as well.
My dads Y Str results: 214976 Huynh C-M217 14 23 15 10 11-11 11 13 11 13 11 29 15 8-8 11 11 25 14 20 28 12-12-13-14-16-16 11 10 23-23 15 16 19 17 34-37 12 10

So is it possible for NGE2.0 to be inaccurate or its 23andme and FTDNA that got it wrong?

My SNP results:
uh I did the transfer to FTDNA and on the haplogroup tree page it showed SNP tests and its like a mess.
A531+, A91+, BY1142+, BY1357+, BY136_FGC19909_Z18229+, BY1551+, BY1586+, BY1734+, BY20+, BY2243+, BY2350+, BY2391+, BY2462+, BY2469+, BY2510+, BY65_Z18181+, BY763+, CTS10031+, CTS10147+, CTS10188+, CTS10229+, CTS103+, CTS10300+, CTS10428+, CTS10433+, CTS10442+, CTS10448+, CTS10534+, CTS10552+, CTS10572+, CTS10615+, CTS10648+, CTS1066+, CTS10720+, CTS10723+, CTS10745+, CTS10761+, CTS10821+, CTS1083+, CTS10847+, CTS10923+, CTS11012+, CTS11041+, CTS11071+, CTS11088+, CTS11126+, CTS11148+, CTS11149+, CTS11190+, CTS11261+, CTS11354+, CTS114+, CTS1141+, CTS11436+, CTS11441+, CTS1148+, CTS11503+, CTS11522+, CTS11530+, CTS11544+, CTS1164+, CTS11651+, CTS1171+, CTS11710+, CTS11726+, CTS11731+, CTS11759+, CTS11816+, CTS11907+, CTS11949+, CTS11970+, CTS12023+, CTS12058+, CTS1216+, CTS12449+, CTS12450+, CTS12472+, CTS12578+, CTS12652+, CTS1276+, CTS12856+, CTS12879+, CTS12931+, CTS12933+, CTS12934+, CTS12948+, CTS12950+, CTS12976+, CTS1340+, CTS1353+, CTS1413+, CTS1436+, CTS1633+, CTS1710+, CTS1758+, CTS1806+, CTS1831+, CTS1854+, CTS191+, CTS2+, CTS202+, CTS2067+, CTS210+, CTS2105+, CTS2134+, CTS2230+, CTS2275+, CTS2284+, CTS2289+, CTS2413+, CTS244+, CTS2488+, CTS2491+, CTS2515+, CTS2550+, CTS2670+, CTS2709+, CTS278+, CTS280+, CTS2800+, CTS2848+, CTS2906+, CTS2947+, CTS305+, CTS316+, CTS3202+, CTS3221+, CTS3268+, CTS3366+, CTS3403+, CTS3430+, CTS3466+, CTS347+, CTS352+, CTS3536+, CTS3543+, CTS3654+, CTS3658+, CTS3663+, CTS3700+, CTS3802+, CTS3837+, CTS3868+, CTS3902+, CTS3996+, CTS4053+, CTS4086+, CTS4089+, CTS4094+, CTS4137+, CTS4178+, CTS4209+, CTS4235+, CTS4326+, CTS4406+, CTS4443+, CTS4463+, CTS4608+, CTS4643+, CTS4715+, CTS4781+, CTS4784+, CTS4793+, CTS4853+, CTS4984+, CTS5052+, CTS5152+, CTS5156+, CTS5254+, CTS5304+, CTS5334+, CTS5359+, CTS5370+, CTS5383+, CTS5410+, CTS5522+, CTS5649+, CTS5690+, CTS58+, CTS5828+, CTS585+, CTS5860+, CTS5874+, CTS5933+, CTS5939+, CTS597+, CTS5998+, CTS6062+, CTS6063+, CTS6090+, CTS6117+, CTS6135+, CTS6265+, CTS6266+, CTS6285+, 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MacUalraig
01-11-2016, 08:11 PM
Not an expert on either haplogroup but that doesn't look good. FTDNA are the lab for the Geno project so they have contradicted themselves, maybe its a kit muddle. It can happen. I would go back to Genographic customer support. You could maybe ask someone in the J haplogroup forum to scan that list - not sure if they are all J or not. But I would have expected it to list M217.

ArmandoR1b
01-11-2016, 08:46 PM
23andme only tests for a very limited number of SNPs but they do get the correct major haplogroup. Geno 2.0 tests for a lot more as you can see. The HUGE problem with Geno 2.0 is that they don't give you your negative results and the negative results don't show in the FTDNA page after the transfer and they are looking for the most downstream SNP which in many cases is actually a recurrent SNP which causes the wrong haplogroup to be assigned either at the Geno2 site or the FTDNA page after transfer.

Is the J-CTS2906 from the Nat Geo site or from the FTDNA site after a transfer of the Geno2 results?

Either way you need to find a way to get a hold of your negative SNPs by contacting Nat Geo and letting them know that you were assigned the wrong haplogroup. If you are negative for a the SNPs that are upstream from CTS2906 then you aren't possibly in haplogroup J.

I posted about the problem with Nat Geo at http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5737-National-Geno-2-0-Next-Gen-Y-SNPs

ArmandoR1b
01-11-2016, 09:17 PM
I just remembered that I can look though a list of SNPs tested by Geno 2.0 NextGen that I have. J-M410 is in the list but you don't have that as a positive SNP. Therefore you are negative for it and it is not possible for you to belong to that branch of J2 which is upstream of J-CTS2906. M172 which is J2 is not in your list of positive SNPs either and therefore you are also negative for that and it is not possible for you to be J2.

C-M217 is not tested by Geno 2.0 NextGen nor are the equivalents P44 and Z1453. However, you are positive for the SNP CTS1831 which shows up as an equivalent of C-M217 at http://www.yfull.com/tree/C-M217/

So you are definitely C-M217 and likely in a known subclade identified by YFull. You can get with the C haplogroup admins to further check your SNPs. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Chaplogroup/default.aspx?section=yresults

lgmayka
01-11-2016, 09:59 PM
A member of my project just transferred his Geno 2.0 Next Gen results. They are a mess, too. FTDNA classifies him as R-Z346, but I'm not so sure. I have highlighted some of the contradictory results, including CTS2906+ .
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A531+, A91+, BY1142+, BY1357+, BY136_FGC19909_Z18229+, BY1551+, BY1734+, BY20+, BY2510+, BY65_Z18181+, BY763+, CTS10031+, CTS10147+, CTS10188+, CTS10229+, CTS103+, CTS10300+, CTS10428+, CTS10433+, CTS10448+, CTS10552+, CTS10572+, CTS10615+, CTS10648+, CTS1066+, CTS10723+, CTS10745+, CTS10761+, CTS10821+, CTS10847+, CTS11012+, CTS11041+, CTS11071+, CTS11088+, CTS11126+, CTS11148+, CTS11190+, CTS11261+, CTS11354+, CTS114+, CTS1141+, CTS11436+, CTS11441+, CTS1148+, CTS11503+, CTS11530+, CTS1164+, CTS11651+, CTS1171+, CTS11710+, CTS11731+, CTS11759+, CTS11816+, CTS11907+, CTS11949+, CTS11970+, CTS11985+, CTS12023+, CTS12058+, CTS1216+, CTS12449+, CTS12450+, CTS12578+, CTS1276+, CTS12856+, CTS12933+, CTS12934+, CTS12948+, CTS12950+, CTS12976+, CTS1340+, CTS1353+, CTS1413+, CTS1436+, CTS1633+, CTS1710+, CTS1758+, CTS1806+, CTS191+, CTS202+, CTS2067+, CTS210+, CTS2105+, CTS2230+, CTS2275+, CTS2284+, CTS2289+, CTS2413+, CTS2488+, CTS2515+, CTS2670+, CTS278+, CTS2800+, CTS2848+, CTS2906+, 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xsayo123
01-11-2016, 10:00 PM
Ahh okay thanks and I just used an ISOGG tree to match all the SNP in that wall I copy/pasted and I found myself in the F845 Subclade I don't know if thats true, how do I contact the C Haplogroup Admins and thank you very much.

xsayo123
01-11-2016, 10:06 PM
Called nat geo and they said they will look into the error and try to give the negative SNPs as well... so much for customer service, guy was annoyed when I asked for information and what not gonna try FTDNA now since my father tested there as well so mines should be similar to his.

ArmandoR1b
01-11-2016, 10:13 PM
Ahh okay thanks and I just used an ISOGG tree to match all the SNP in that wall I copy/pasted and I found myself in the F845 Subclade I don't know if thats true, how do I contact the C Haplogroup Admins and thank you very much.

I had given you the wrong link for the admins. Sorry about that. Their names and emails are at https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Chaplogroup/default.aspx

xsayo123
01-11-2016, 10:16 PM
Thank you very much and I called FTDNA just now, they told me they didn't receive any negatives from geno 2.0 and their haplogroup prediction would just be based off of that wall of SNPs i copied down. But the lady assured me I'm in haplogroup C because of my father and me being C M217, but both him and I really wanted to know what our subclade is and this Nat geo turned to be a blunder......

ArmandoR1b
01-11-2016, 10:22 PM
A member of my project just transferred his Geno 2.0 Next Gen results. They are a mess, too. FTDNA classifies him as R-Z346, but I'm not so sure. I have highlighted some of the contradictory results, including CTS2906+ .


I don't see anything highlighted.

I am told that on the FTDNA default page https://www.familytreedna.com/my/default.aspx under "Genographic Transfer" there is a link "Download Y-DNA SNPs as CSV" and the following link was provided https://www.familytreedna.com/my/genographic-transfer/download-ydna/ and it has all SNPs tested whether positive or negative.

That might only be available to the customer and not admins. If you can't do it then see if the customer can and that way you can check the alleles and see if any of the defining ones show ancestral instead of derived.

ArmandoR1b
01-11-2016, 10:25 PM
Thank you very much and I called FTDNA just now, they told me they didn't receive any negatives from geno 2.0 and their haplogroup prediction would just be based off of that wall of SNPs i copied down. But the lady assured me I'm in haplogroup C because of my father and me being C M217, but both him and I really wanted to know what our subclade is and this Nat geo turned to be a blunder......

The C haplogroup admin should be able to look at your positive SNPs and determine your subclade. I posted the correct link above.

ArmandoR1b
01-11-2016, 10:27 PM
Called nat geo and they said they will look into the error and try to give the negative SNPs as well... so much for customer service, guy was annoyed when I asked for information and what not gonna try FTDNA now since my father tested there as well so mines should be similar to his.

You should post that to the ISOGG Facebook page. This fiasco needs to be fixed asap. A lot of customers are getting bad information.

xsayo123
01-11-2016, 10:40 PM
Okay, and I just send an email to the C Haplogroup Group admin, crossing my fingers if they can salvage and find my C subclade from the SNP page thank you so much Armando ^^

Nat Geo called me and it seems a lot of people are getting wrong Y DNA predictions so I'm glad they are at least aware of the issue... just the waiting game again ....

lgmayka
01-11-2016, 11:45 PM
I don't see anything highlighted.
Sorry, they are now. (See earlier post.)

ArmandoR1b
01-12-2016, 01:52 AM
Sorry, they are now. (See earlier post.)

The SNPs downstream from U106 certainly are all over the place. It makes me wonder if is more than just recurrent SNPs. Does the Chris Morley predictor help? It's at http://ytree.morleydna.com/

lgmayka
01-12-2016, 02:15 AM
Does the Chris Morley predictor help? It's at http://ytree.morleydna.com/
Morley's predictor agrees on the R-Z346 classification, but says that it had to ignore the following anomalous positive results:


A91
BY1142
BY1357
BY136
BY1551
BY1734
BY20
BY2510
BY65
BY763
CTS10031
CTS10147
CTS10188
CTS10229
CTS103
CTS10300
CTS10428
CTS10433
CTS10448
CTS10552
CTS10572
CTS10615
CTS10648
CTS1066
CTS10723
CTS10745
CTS10761
CTS10821
CTS10847
CTS11012
CTS11041
CTS11071
CTS11088
CTS11126
CTS11148
CTS11190
CTS11261
CTS11354
CTS114
CTS1141
CTS11436
CTS11441
CTS1148
CTS11503
CTS11530
CTS1164
CTS11651
CTS1171
CTS11710
CTS11731
CTS11759
CTS11816
CTS11907
CTS11949
CTS11970
CTS12023
CTS12058
CTS1216
CTS12449
CTS12450
CTS12578
CTS1276
CTS12856
CTS12933
CTS12934
CTS12948
CTS12950
CTS12976
CTS1340
CTS1353
CTS1413
CTS1436
CTS1633
CTS1710
CTS1758
CTS1806
CTS191
CTS202
CTS2067
CTS210
CTS2105
CTS2230
CTS2275
CTS2284
CTS2289
CTS2413
CTS2488
CTS2515
CTS2670
CTS278
CTS2800
CTS2848
CTS2906
CTS2947
CTS305
CTS316
CTS3202
CTS3268
CTS3366
CTS3403
CTS3466
CTS347
CTS3475
CTS3519
CTS352
CTS3543
CTS3663
CTS3700
CTS3802
CTS3837
CTS3902
CTS4053
CTS4086
CTS4089
CTS4094
CTS4137
CTS4178
CTS4209
CTS4235
CTS4326
CTS4406
CTS4463
CTS4608
CTS4643
CTS4715
CTS4781
CTS4784 (Geno 2.0 results are erratic for this SNP)
CTS4793
CTS4853
CTS4984
CTS5052
CTS5152
CTS5156
CTS5254
CTS5304
CTS5334
CTS5359
CTS5370
CTS5649
CTS5690
CTS58
CTS5828
CTS585
CTS5860
CTS5933
CTS5939
CTS597
CTS5998
CTS6062
CTS6063
CTS6090
CTS6117
CTS6265
CTS6285
CTS6352
CTS636
CTS6365
CTS6394
CTS6403
CTS6438
CTS6447
CTS6449
CTS6468
CTS6481
CTS6506
CTS656
CTS6613
CTS6631
CTS6677
CTS6704
CTS6848
CTS687
CTS6918
CTS6967
CTS7022
CTS7101
CTS7147
CTS7186
CTS7193
CTS7227
CTS7266
CTS7275
CTS7285
CTS7299
CTS730
CTS7317
CTS7335
CTS736
CTS7451
CTS7598
CTS7601
CTS7611
CTS7626
CTS7642
CTS7803
CTS7810
CTS7925
CTS7929
CTS7942
CTS8027
CTS8126
CTS8203
CTS8216
CTS8300
CTS8440
CTS8492
CTS8506
CTS8521
CTS860
CTS8645
CTS8723
CTS8815
CTS9056
CTS9154
CTS9240
CTS9322
CTS9325
CTS9335
CTS9387
CTS9471
CTS9518
CTS9525
CTS9539
CTS9558
CTS97
CTS9716
CTS9894
CTS9900
CTS9925
CTS9975
CTS9976
DF109
F1007
F1013
F1024
F1055
F1096
F1108
F1127
F1159
F1207
F1221 (Geno 2.0 results are erratic for this SNP)
F1291
F1314
F1367
F1405
F1412
F142
F1442
F1474
F1476
F1539
F1540
F1567
F1594
F1703
F1712
F1796
F1813 (Geno 2.0 results are erratic for this SNP)
F1848
F1874
F188
F1899
F1924
F1946
F1956
F2018
F202
F2028
F2132
F2149
F2165
F2208
F2224
F2236
F2304
F2332
F2343
F2370
F2371
F240
F2480
F2516
F2546 (Geno 2.0 results are erratic for this SNP)
F2558
F2600
F2654
F2724
F2742
F2753
F2761
F2767
F2840
F2850
F287
F2873
F2924
F2947
F2960
F2961
F299
F2990
F3048
F3056
F3057
F3108
F3143
F3195
F3270
F3368
F3402
F3422
F3444
F3451
F3491
F3518
F3582
F3595
F3625
F3632
F3697
F371
F3735
F3739
F3806
F386
F3869
F3892
F3907
F3949
F3956
F3994
F4003
F4042
F4111
F4176
F4188
F4244
F4251
F4257
F4282
F4338
F492
F526
F557
F565
F61
F646
F716
F736
F741
F743
F819
F836
F862
F896
F910 (Geno 2.0 results are erratic for this SNP)
F995
FGC11678
FGC11897
FGC16362
FGC16683
FGC1721
FGC20866
FGC20874
FGC28639
FGC29572
FGC6948
K257
K386
L104
L1186
L1247
L1324
L167
L183
L187
L213
L245
L253
L254
L294
L325
L387
L442
L453
L459
L464
L484
L492
L496
L503
L533
L542
L551
L552 (Geno 2.0 results are erratic for this SNP)
L556
L557
L625
L636
L665
L72
L762
L782
L784
L817
L840
L99 (Geno 2.0 results are erratic for this SNP)
M102
M116
M129
M171
M251
M262
M275
M288
M367
M39
M9574
M9588
MC14
N4
P102
P117
P118
P129
P181
P194
P202
P268
P269
P289
P40
P52
P59
P77
P80
P84
P91
PAGES00010
PAGES00048
PAGES00081
PAGES00101
PAGES00105
PF1015
PF1026
PF1085
PF1141
PF1147
PF1152
PF1164
PF1169
PF121
PF1226
PF1232
PF1252
PF1270
PF1279
PF1283
PF133
PF1368
PF147
PF156
PF1562
PF1577
PF1587
PF22
PF228
PF2334
PF2436
PF2438
PF2466
PF2481
PF2495
PF2579
PF2635
PF276
PF288
PF293
PF3051
PF3086
PF3107 (Geno 2.0 results are erratic for this SNP)
PF3188
PF3220
PF3248
PF328
PF3298
PF331
PF3320
PF3561
PF3823
PF3890
PF3964
PF3986
PF40
PF4105
PF4193
PF4246
PF4533
PF4573
PF4576
PF4589
PF4592
PF4647
PF4653
PF4720
PF4876
PF4879
PF4888
PF4957
PF5014
PF5104
PF5122
PF5123
PF5125
PF5147
PF5169
PF535
PF5381
PF5436
PF5517
PF5735
PF5744
PF5784
PF5787
PF5792
PF5815
PF5819
PF5889
PF601 (mis-called by FTDNA?)
PF625
PF6275
PF6286
PF6300
PF6314
PF6369
PF644
PF6445
PF6673
PF668
PF671
PF679
PF6864
PF6865
PF6914
PF698
PF700
PF7067
PF7328
PF7341
PF7374
PF7434
PF747
PF7527
PF7552
PF7557
PF791
PF794
PF806
PF829
PF888
PF907
PF926
PF93
PF946
PF95
PF966
PF968
PF971
PF997
PR805
S3207
S7123
SK1247
SK1410
V21
V216
V227
V32
V78
V79
V8
V90
V94
Y1038
Y1049
Y1083
Y1113
Y1122
Y32
Y4864
Y5272
Y5305
Y5759
Y6181
Y763
YP321
YSC0000081
YSC0000150
YSC0000216
YSC0000292
YSC0001071
Z10956
Z11180
Z1149
Z130
Z133
Z138
Z1456
Z1476
Z148 (Geno 2.0 results are erratic for this SNP)
Z1483
Z1504
Z1518
Z1589
Z1593
Z1616
Z18133
Z18140
Z1817
Z18186
Z1835
Z187
Z189
Z1975
Z2069
Z2082
Z2094
Z213
Z2396
Z269
Z270
Z274
Z284
Z2970
Z2976
Z2983
Z306
Z315
Z319
Z350
Z351
Z3723
Z39
Z477
Z515
Z531
Z544
Z60
Z625
Z638
Z72
Z75
Z767
Z966
ZS1727
ZS251
RS12116413
RS1276034
RS16980396
RS16980499
RS16981293
RS17250121
RS17307070
RS17842387
RS2032652
RS2033003
RS2075640
RS35249440
RS35407486
RS7067237
RS7067486
RS7892924
RS7893044
RS877756
RS895530
RS9306845
RS9306848
RS9785670
RS9785716
RS9785717
RS9785740
RS9785811
RS9785846
RS9785853
RS9785905
RS9785953
RS9785994
RS9786043
RS9786082
RS9786139
RS9786148
RS9786181
RS9786207
RS9786247
RS9786283
RS9786290
RS9786325
RS9786439
RS9786443
RS9786714
RS9786770
S5153
A531

xsayo123
01-12-2016, 03:58 AM
Okay I have contacted the Admin of the C Haplogroup project and he was extremely helpful and provided alot of information, so based on that cluster of SNP, I'm in the C2e1 F845+ branch :) So atleast I know something, waiting on Nat Geo and FTDNA now :D

ArmandoR1b
01-12-2016, 01:06 PM
Morley's predictor agrees on the R-Z346 classification, but says that it had to ignore the following anomalous positive results:

So not much help. It would be nice if Chris Morley were to create an updated site for Geno 2.0 NextGen.

ddxue
02-03-2016, 05:54 AM
So not much help. It would be nice if Chris Morley were to create an updated site for Geno 2.0 NextGen.

I did not know his Y-haplogroup predictor wasn't updated for Geno 2.0 NextGen... that explains why it predicted I was I1a.

To the OP xsayo123 - this exact same ordeal happened to me as well. I was also classified as J-CTS2906 by Nat Geo and after doing my own research it seems I'm also C2e1b F845.

ArmandoR1b
02-03-2016, 06:03 AM
I did not know his Y-haplogroup predictor wasn't updated for Geno 2.0 NextGen... that explains why it predicted I was I1a
That's only partly why. Even Geno NextGen gave you the wrong haplogroup. The test has a lot of false positives and maybe even false negatives.

Ali16
02-06-2016, 03:17 PM
Geno 2.0 Next Generation is providing incorrect results. You need to contact Geno 2.0 and FTDNA and really complain, keep calling, keep e-mailing, keep complaining. CC [email protected] too!

lgmayka
02-06-2016, 09:05 PM
CC [email protected] too!
Is FTDNA at all involved in the interpretation of Genographic results? I thought that FTDNA simply ran the test and provided the raw results to National Geographic, who have their own interpretation team.

Ali16
02-07-2016, 01:23 AM
FTDNA is running the test, and they provide the results. They are the key to resolving this debacle! If it weren't an FTDNA problem their website would show your accurate haplogroup. But, with these Geno 2+ results, you have false hits in every haplogroup. I don't even trust that any of the results are accurate. I suggest keeping FTDNAs phone lines busy until they resolve this problem!

Ali16
02-11-2016, 06:29 PM
After 2 weeks of ignoring their customer, FTDNA's website shows a clearly incorrect haplogroup (from having no haplogroup designation for 2 weeks, and the incorrect J-CTS2906 terminal SNP on the Geno 2.0 website). When I e-mail them, they don't reply, but they do remove the incorrect haplogroup so it is blank now! Great customer service!!

jatt2016
02-14-2016, 03:30 AM
After 2 weeks of ignoring their customer, FTDNA's website shows a clearly incorrect haplogroup (from having no haplogroup designation for 2 weeks, and the incorrect J-CTS2906 terminal SNP on the Geno 2.0 website). When I e-mail them, they don't reply, but they do remove the incorrect haplogroup so it is blank now! Great customer service!!

Hey Ali, Guess what I am a Pakistani Punjabi and I have the same Y haplo from Nat Geo i.e. J-CTS2906 and in the paternal history the last haplo is M92 meaning that I am J2-M92 . Are you M92 too?

jatt2016
02-14-2016, 03:31 AM
After 2 weeks of ignoring their customer, FTDNA's website shows a clearly incorrect haplogroup (from having no haplogroup designation for 2 weeks, and the incorrect J-CTS2906 terminal SNP on the Geno 2.0 website). When I e-mail them, they don't reply, but they do remove the incorrect haplogroup so it is blank now! Great customer service!!

Do u have screen shots of your regional affiliation. I posted mine under my thread. Nat Geo found me 49 percent Central Asian!

Ali16
05-13-2016, 05:12 PM
xsayo123, Have they corrected your results yet?

xsayo123
06-18-2016, 05:57 AM
Yup yup they did FTDNA and Nat geno 2.0 both updated to C-F845 for my Y Haplagroup sorry they took forever though lol