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The_Lyonnist
01-26-2016, 11:48 PM
Y-DNA : I1
MtDNA : H1e1a

European : 99.9%

Northwestern European : 79.9%
French & German : 38.0%
British & Irish : 16.5%
Scandinavian : 0.1%
Broadly Northwestern European : 25.3%

Southern European : 16.1%
Italian : 4.2%
Broadly Southern European : 11.9%
Broadly European : 3.8%

I have many cousins distance between western Germany (Germans) and Ireland (Celtic). So I am rather Celto-Germanic.

But not only. To simplify: I have many people R1b, R1a a little and a little bit of I1.

Another question on the chromosome, paternal side, I have an "Italian" segment 0.9 centimeter. Maternal side, I have two long segments "Italian" 8.2 centimeters.

At what times these two ancestries back?

My X chromosome is fully "british and irish". What does that mean ?

jeanL
01-27-2016, 12:39 AM
Your maternal haplogroup H1e1a is the same as my girlfriend's maternal haplogroup and my Paternal Grandmother's maternal haplogroup. Both of them have maternal ancestry from the Canary Islands, but I'm guessing their maternal ancestry was not indigenous Canary Islander and it was Iberian instead. It's interesting that the earliest recorded H1e1a comes from a Neolithic burial in Germany circa 3500 BC if I recall correctly.

tchekitchek
01-27-2016, 01:40 AM
What about your Gedmatch(s)?

The_Lyonnist
01-27-2016, 02:39 AM
What about your Gedmatch(s)?

What's gedmatch ?

Mestace
01-27-2016, 02:58 AM
What's gedmatch ?

Your next stop in this DNA's journey https://www.gedmatch.com/ You can upload your 23andme raw data there

Welcome aboard ;)

tchekitchek
01-27-2016, 05:29 AM
Like said above, register on Gedmatch.com, upload your raw data, then among options you'll see "Admixture (heritage)"; and from there you'll have a choice among a lot of different calculators which will teach you a lot about your ancestry.

To me the best one is Eurogenes K13 (don't forget to click on "Oracle" below afterwards), but you can try them all.

Here are my results to give you an idea of what it is:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.71
2 West_Med 17.99
3 Baltic 17.65
4 East_Med 9.76
5 West_Asian 5.43
6 South_Asian 1.88
7 Red_Sea 1.84
8 Amerindian 0.39
9 Oceanian 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 2.68
2 South_Dutch 5.15
3 West_German 5.74
4 Southeast_English 9.12
5 Spanish_Cataluna 9.85



In the "Population Distance", the lower the number, the closest from the core of that ethnicity you are.

Alanson
01-27-2016, 06:11 AM
Interesting results, but this should be expected the French in Central and North have Germanic and Celtic ancestry Gauls, Franks, Burguandy tribes ect. The Southern French are more like Iberians genetically. Usually from the French samples that I have seen they often plot in between Northwest Europe and Iberia.

Helgenes50
01-27-2016, 06:13 AM
What's gedmatch ?

Once downloaded your data.

For us Europeans, probably one of the best, with K13, is Eurogenes EUtest V2K15.

ffoucart
01-27-2016, 06:51 AM
Welcome aboard. Remember that you'll be able to find many relatives with Gedmatch, and cross results.

Can you be a bit more specific about your ancestry (I doubt that your ancestors where all from Lyon)? Do you have ancestors in the Dauphiné, Vivarais....?

I'm asking because my grandmother was from Haute-Loire/Velay (and had remote ancestry at Lyon and around).

The_Lyonnist
01-27-2016, 03:07 PM
Your next stop in this DNA's journey https://www.gedmatch.com/ You can upload your 23andme raw data there

Welcome aboard ;)

It does not work, I do not receive the confirmation email.

The_Lyonnist
01-27-2016, 03:13 PM
Welcome aboard. Remember that you'll be able to find many relatives with Gedmatch, and cross results.

Can you be a bit more specific about your ancestry (I doubt that your ancestors where all from Lyon)? Do you have ancestors in the Dauphiné, Vivarais....?

I'm asking because my grandmother was from Haute-Loire/Velay (and had remote ancestry at Lyon and around).

My maternal grandfather was from Alsace (Colmar). It seems to me that his father was born in Mönchweiler in Baden-Württemberg. My maternal grandmother is of Loire-sur-Rhône (south of the Loire, near the Rhône).

My paternal grandparents were French (Montbrison, Central Loire). A three or four generations, the family name are all French.

cderory
01-27-2016, 03:34 PM
I'm french and all my grandparents were born less 40 km from Montbrison (Loire).
I'm on Gedmatch with my parents, uncles ...
As soon you 'll be registred on gedmatch we may find a link.

The_Lyonnist
01-27-2016, 03:46 PM
And for my questions ?

Another question on the chromosome, paternal side, I have an "Italian" segment 0.9 centimeter. Maternal side, I have two long segments "Italian" 8.2 centimeters.

At what times these two ancestries back?

My X chromosome is fully "british and irish". What does that mean ?

ffoucart
01-27-2016, 04:01 PM
What are your %?
Low % (under 1%) are not reliable. Or too distant (I've 0,1 % MENA and 0,1 % Asian, if correct it means a very distant ancestry, perhaps back to the Roman Empire).

French have often strange results with Italian, Iberian or British. Often too high (my father has even more British than French without any ancestor there).

The_Lyonnist
01-27-2016, 10:09 PM
What are your %?
Low % (under 1%) are not reliable. Or too distant (I've 0,1 % MENA and 0,1 % Asian, if correct it means a very distant ancestry, perhaps back to the Roman Empire).

French have often strange results with Italian, Iberian or British. Often too high (my father has even more British than French without any ancestor there).

38% France & Germany
16.5% British & Ireland
4.2% Italy
0.1% Scandinavy

99.9% European

Tolan
01-28-2016, 08:43 AM
And for my questions ?

Another question on the chromosome, paternal side, I have an "Italian" segment 0.9 centimeter. Maternal side, I have two long segments "Italian" 8.2 centimeters.

At what times these two ancestries back?

My X chromosome is fully "british and irish". What does that mean ?

Hello and Welcome,

cM= Centimorgan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centimorgan

Many identical DNA segments are worn by many Europeans whatever the country.
Over the segment is long, the more likely it is recent.
8.2 cM is not very long. This does not mean you necessarily have Italian ancestors.
This segment is mostly in Italy, this may be due to very distant ancestors in common.

We can hardly separate segments between neighbors European countries.
The fact that your X chromosome is fully British & Irish, simply means that it is rather of NW Europe especially British & Irish, and North-western French too!

The_Lyonnist
02-01-2016, 04:12 PM
I am French long ago, yet on the map of DNA Relatives, I have almost no French cousins. Why ?

Mestace
02-01-2016, 04:44 PM
I am French long ago, yet on the map of DNA Relatives, I have almost no French cousins. Why ?

More Anglo&American tested at 23andme, that's the bias. If the "CoA" features was still there you wouldn't likely see France first either.

Did you try again Gedmatch?

Thanathos
02-02-2016, 05:05 PM
Y-DNA : I1
MtDNA : H1e1a

European : 99.9%

Northwestern European : 79.9%
French & German : 38.0%
British & Irish : 16.5%
Scandinavian : 0.1%
Broadly Northwestern European : 25.3%

Southern European : 16.1%
Italian : 4.2%
Broadly Southern European : 11.9%
Broadly European : 3.8%

I have many cousins distance between western Germany (Germans) and Ireland (Celtic). So I am rather Celto-Germanic.

But not only. To simplify: I have many people R1b, R1a a little and a little bit of I1.

Another question on the chromosome, paternal side, I have an "Italian" segment 0.9 centimeter. Maternal side, I have two long segments "Italian" 8.2 centimeters.

At what times these two ancestries back?

My X chromosome is fully "british and irish". What does that mean ?

Hello and welcome ! :)

Your results are what I would expect from someone of your region ! What is your exact paternal haplogroup ( the subclade I mean ) ?
I had my own results recently and i posted them here too so thats a funny coincidence. You can see them here and compare with yours: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6223-My-results-(northern-french-)
I'm fully from Nord Pas de Calais so they are obviously a bit different :p .

The_Lyonnist
02-06-2016, 03:42 PM
What is your exact paternal haplogroup ( the subclade I mean )

23 And Me not told...

The_Lyonnist
02-13-2016, 07:14 PM
What is the most accurate calculator on GedMatch?

Helgenes50
02-13-2016, 07:24 PM
What is the most accurate calculator on GedMatch?

For us Europeans, probably Eurogenes V2K15, but that depends what you are looking for.
And K13

The_Lyonnist
02-13-2016, 07:35 PM
Voilà, ça correspond à la composition ancestrale ?


V2K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent (average France)
1 North_Sea 27.46 (28.25)
2 Atlantic 21.26 (26.05)
3 West_Med 19.05 (15.53)
4 Baltic 9.17 (8.22)
5 Eastern_Euro 8.8 (6.32)
6 West_Asian 6.31 (4.66)
7 East_Med 4.85 (6.72)
8 Red_Sea 2.08 (2.83)
9 Amerindian 1.02 (0.20)

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 6.23
2 South_Dutch 8.98
3 Spanish_Galicia 9.22
4 West_German 9.46
5 Portuguese 10.88
6 Spanish_Cataluna 11.15
7 East_German 12
8 Southwest_English 12.4
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.48
10 Spanish_Extremadura 12.75
11 Spanish_Cantabria 13.62
12 Spanish_Murcia 13.65
13 Serbian 13.83
14 North_Italian 14.03
15 Hungarian 14.19
16 Southeast_English 14.21
17 Austrian 14.37
18 North_German 14.5
19 Southwest_French 14.84
20 Spanish_Valencia 15.44


K13

# Population Percent (Average France)
1 North_Atlantic 36.67 (42.60)
2 West_Med 23.21 (19.50)
3 Baltic 20.72 (17.48)
4 East_Med 8.03 (10.33)
5 West_Asian 7.06 (4.96)
6 Red_Sea 2.4 (2.82)
7 Amerindian 1.38 (0.38)
8 Siberian 0.41 (0.27)
9 South_Asian 0.13 (1.08)


# Population (source) Distance
1 French 7.43
2 West_German 9.82
3 South_Dutch 9.95
4 Spanish_Galicia 10.42
5 Spanish_Cataluna 10.74
6 Portuguese 11.03
7 Austrian 11.4
8 Southwest_French 11.58
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.68
10 Spanish_Cantabria 11.99
11 Spanish_Extremadura 12.26
12 Spanish_Valencia 12.88
13 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.07
14 Spanish_Murcia 13.09
15 East_German 13.09
16 North_Italian 13.59
17 Spanish_Andalucia 13.98
18 Serbian 14.02
19 Hungarian 14.29
20 Spanish_Aragon 15.29

Helgenes50
02-13-2016, 07:45 PM
Davidski, le responsable d'Eurogenes et créateur de cette calculatrice est le premier à l'utiliser pour ses comparaisons.
Et pour l'ascendance plus ancienne Westeurasia K8, mais celui-ci n'est pas disponible sur Gedmatch.

si tu veux comparer avec mes résultats, les miens sont ceux d'un Normand, Français du Nord ouest, je partage en premier avec les anglais
par la mer du NOrd et l'Atlantique
Le premier composant est plus fréquent chez les Norvégiens, le second chez les Basques

1 Atlantic 32.91
2 North_Sea 31.65
3 West_Med 12.56
4 Baltic 7.98
5 Eastern_Euro 7.60
6 East_Med 2.92
7 West_Asian 2.49


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 6.062423
2 Southeast_English @ 6.699245
3 South_Dutch @ 7.574177
4 Irish @ 8.552782
5 West_Scottish @ 9.161456
6 French @ 9.658321
7 Orcadian @ 10.699735
8 North_German @ 10.822850
9 Danish @ 10.943417
10 North_Dutch @ 11.318829
11 West_German @ 12.473934
12 Spanish_Cataluna @ 15.426473
13 Norwegian @ 15.566179
14 West_Norwegian @ 16.351408
15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 16.805851
16 Spanish_Galicia @ 17.004704
17 Swedish @ 17.093065
18 East_German @ 17.243433
19 Spanish_Cantabria @ 17.354856
20 Portuguese @ 17.559238

The_Lyonnist
02-13-2016, 08:04 PM
Tu es vraiment très Atlantique nord. Avec une faible proportion de gènes "exotiques".

Helgenes50
02-13-2016, 08:12 PM
Il est certain que si j'avais fait des analyses par gouts exotiques, je n'en aurais pas eu pour mon argent.

Mais à la vue des résultats ils correspondent bien à l'histoire de ma région, une histoire tournée vers le Nord
( North_Sea ma mère, elle, en a 36 % ) et une Histoire atlantique.
L'Atlantique correspond probablement à un passé lointain partagé avec les britanniques qui va même de la
péninsule Ibérique à L'écosse, WHG commun, un passé Néolithique identique et un age du bronze qui ne faisait qu'un
à travers la culture des Tumulus Armoricain et le bronze du Wessex, les archéologues parlent même d'un complexe
culturel Manche Mer du Nord.

The_Lyonnist
02-13-2016, 08:23 PM
Il est certain que si j'avais fait des analyses par gouts exotiques, je n'en aurais pas eu pour mon argent.

Mais à la vue des résultats ils correspondent bien à l'histoire de ma région, une histoire tournée vers le Nord
( North_Sea ma mère, elle, en a 36 % ) et une Histoire atlantique.
L'Atlantique correspond probablement à un passé lointain partagé avec les britanniques qui va même de la
péninsule Ibérique à L'écosse, WHG commun, un passé Néolithique identique et un age du bronze qui ne faisait qu'un
à travers la culture des Tumulus Armoricain et le bronze du Wessex, les archéologues parlent même d'un complexe
culturel Manche Mer du Nord.

Oui, ça correspond bien.

Je retrouve souvent des pays des Balkans dans mes différents calculateurs. Je me dis que ça vient d'un ascendance slave. Comme j'ai une plus forte proportion d'est-Européen, je me suis aussi dit que j'avais des ancêtres Scythes. Sûrement un peu des deux, non.

Dimanto
02-13-2016, 08:32 PM
Hello and Welcome,

cM= Centimorgan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centimorgan

Many identical DNA segments are worn by many Europeans whatever the country.
Over the segment is long, the more likely it is recent.
8.2 cM is not very long. This does not mean you necessarily have Italian ancestors.
This segment is mostly in Italy, this may be due to very distant ancestors in common.

We can hardly separate segments between neighbors European countries.
The fact that your X chromosome is fully British & Irish, simply means that it is rather of NW Europe especially British & Irish, and North-western French too!

For example Southern Italians and Greek Islanders, are quite easy to distinguish from other Europeans. In my top 10 matches from both sides, I don't see anything else than Italians or people with Dutch ancestry, but it's true that all Europeans get low cM matches from all over Europe. My Dutch grandfather only got matches from North West, Northern, Eastern (distant) and Central Europe (Germany mostly).

The_Lyonnist
02-13-2016, 09:03 PM
Le taux plus élevé de Baltes, d'est-Européen et d'Amérindiens peut s'expliquer par les R1a qui se sont mélangés aux Burgondes qui se sont installés à Lyon. Mais qu'est-ce qui explique un plus fort taux (que pour les autres français) dans le Caucase ?

Mestace
02-13-2016, 09:54 PM
Pour répondre à ton post sur le topic K13 (et pas faire trop de hors sujet). C'est ce que je pensais tu es dans les mêmes eaux que mon père, avec plus d'ANE et moins de WHG



ANE 12.96
ASE 0.59
WHG-UHG 57.13
East_Eurasian 1.37
West_African 0.39
East_African -
ENF 27.56



Population
ANE 11.36%
ASE 0.85%
WHG-UHG 59.88%
East_Eurasian 0.57%
West_African 0.58%
East_African -
ENF 26.76%



Le mien et celui de ma mère :

Population
ANE 12.53%
ASE 0.75%
WHG-UHG 60.91%
East_Eurasian 0.82%
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 24.99%



Population
ANE 13.91%
ASE 0.40%
WHG-UHG 61.70%
East_Eurasian 0.83%
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 23.15%

tchekitchek
02-13-2016, 10:23 PM
Oui, ça correspond bien.

Je retrouve souvent des pays des Balkans dans mes différents calculateurs. Je me dis que ça vient d'un ascendance slave. Comme j'ai une plus forte proportion d'est-Européen, je me suis aussi dit que j'avais des ancêtres Scythes. Sûrement un peu des deux, non.
Non, moi aussi je tombe sur du Croate ou du Roumain, je crois que l'admixture est juste similaire avec la France... par exemple je vois que sur PuntDNAL tu as la même quantité de Near East que moi (autour de 6)... ce qui est beaucoup pour la moyenne Française... c'est ça qui tire vers l'est... c'est peut-etre une influence qui vient de l'empire romain Germanique au 10ème siècle (ou la Lotharingie) qui était plutôt connecté au Rhin et au Danube qu'à la Loire ou à la Seine; voire peut-etre une influence de l'empire des Habsbourgs, plus tard.

ffoucart
02-13-2016, 10:42 PM
Je me souviens d'un post de Davidski disant qu'il était difficile de distinguer les Français des Croates car leurs mix de populations antiques étaient quasiment identique.

Dans certains calculateurs, je vois effectivement Croate assez haut. Donc à ne pas prendre littéralement.

Thanathos
02-14-2016, 07:13 AM
Davidski, le responsable d'Eurogenes et créateur de cette calculatrice est le premier à l'utiliser pour ses comparaisons.
Et pour l'ascendance plus ancienne Westeurasia K8, mais celui-ci n'est pas disponible sur Gedmatch.

si tu veux comparer avec mes résultats, les miens sont ceux d'un Normand, Français du Nord ouest, je partage en premier avec les anglais
par la mer du NOrd et l'Atlantique
Le premier composant est plus fréquent chez les Norvégiens, le second chez les Basques

1 Atlantic 32.91
2 North_Sea 31.65
3 West_Med 12.56
4 Baltic 7.98
5 Eastern_Euro 7.60
6 East_Med 2.92
7 West_Asian 2.49


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 6.062423
2 Southeast_English @ 6.699245
3 South_Dutch @ 7.574177
4 Irish @ 8.552782
5 West_Scottish @ 9.161456
6 French @ 9.658321
7 Orcadian @ 10.699735
8 North_German @ 10.822850
9 Danish @ 10.943417
10 North_Dutch @ 11.318829
11 West_German @ 12.473934
12 Spanish_Cataluna @ 15.426473
13 Norwegian @ 15.566179
14 West_Norwegian @ 16.351408
15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 16.805851
16 Spanish_Galicia @ 17.004704
17 Swedish @ 17.093065
18 East_German @ 17.243433
19 Spanish_Cantabria @ 17.354856
20 Portuguese @ 17.559238

Mine aren't much different from yours but with a bigger eastern tendency ! I have maybe some unknown polish ancestry haha

North_Sea 31.58
2 Atlantic 26.78
3 West_Med 13.95
4 Eastern_Euro 10.51
5 Baltic 7.98
6 East_Med 3.45
7 West_Asian 3.04
8 Red_Sea 1.75
9 South_Asian 0.77
10 Sub-Saharan 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 4.1
2 Southwest_English 5.43
3 French 5.82
4 West_German 6.88
5 Southeast_English 7.01
6 North_German 8.96
7 Danish 9.17
8 Irish 9.18
9 West_Scottish 9.38
10 North_Dutch 9.39
11 Orcadian 9.95
12 Norwegian 11.59
13 East_German 11.62
14 West_Norwegian 12.81
15 Spanish_Galicia 12.97
16 Swedish 13.02
17 Spanish_Cataluna 13.17
18 Portuguese 14.11
19 North_Swedish 14.28
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.68

Helgenes50
02-14-2016, 07:28 AM
Mine aren't much different from yours but with a bigger eastern tendency ! I have maybe some unknown polish ancestry haha

North_Sea 31.58
2 Atlantic 26.78
3 West_Med 13.95
4 Eastern_Euro 10.51
5 Baltic 7.98
6 East_Med 3.45
7 West_Asian 3.04
8 Red_Sea 1.75
9 South_Asian 0.77
10 Sub-Saharan 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 4.1
2 Southwest_English 5.43
3 French 5.82
4 West_German 6.88
5 Southeast_English 7.01
6 North_German 8.96
7 Danish 9.17
8 Irish 9.18
9 West_Scottish 9.38
10 North_Dutch 9.39
11 Orcadian 9.95
12 Norwegian 11.59
13 East_German 11.62
14 West_Norwegian 12.81
15 Spanish_Galicia 12.97
16 Swedish 13.02
17 Spanish_Cataluna 13.17
18 Portuguese 14.11
19 North_Swedish 14.28
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.68

C'est bien possible va savoir! les polonais ne manquent pas dans l'Est de la France
Quand à moi il n'y a pas dire ! je suis vraiment à l'Ouest !!!

Thanathos
02-14-2016, 07:36 AM
J'ai bien quelques cousins distants russes sur 23andme... Mais au vu de la tendance xénophobe dont pouvaient faire preuve mes aïeux, je serais quand même étonné.

Helgenes50
02-14-2016, 07:59 AM
J'ai bien quelques cousins distants russes sur 23andme... Mais au vu de la tendance xénophobe dont pouvaient faire preuve mes aïeux, je serais quand même étonné.

Tu sais ça ne prouve rien.
Justement si j'ai fait des analyses, c'etait dans le but de vérifier si la tradition familiale était réelle
comme quoi le grand père de mon arrière grand père était un soldat Russe.
Si cette tradition s'est transmise dans ma branche, elle est ignorée dans d'autres ou cachée
par certains qui en avait honte.
Comme me disait un ami, tu n'es pas forcé de dire que ton ancêtre est Russe, comme si c'etait une honte
Bon ! tout ce que je sais aujourd'hui c'est que cette lignée me rattache à des Finlandais pour les plus proches
suivis par des Suèdois de l'Est, pour moi ça sonne Normand, mais tant que les gens du coin ne pourront ou
n'auront pas le courage de faire des analyses!

IL faut dire que beaucoup de normands ont des ancêtres qui ont connu Astérix et depuis leur gène du
courage a muté et ils savent ce qu'est la peur !!!

The_Lyonnist
02-14-2016, 10:57 AM
Ta sous-clade est scandinave, en tout cas. Ca semble concorder.

Helgenes50
02-14-2016, 11:22 AM
Ta sous-clade est scandinave, en tout cas. Ca semble concorder.

C'est ce que je pense aussi, ce sous-clade est localisé an Norvège et en Suède, rarement ailleurs
et aussi bien sur, dans les lieux colonisés et fréquentés par les Scandinaves

The_Lyonnist
02-14-2016, 12:20 PM
Je trouve que le K13 est plus fiable que le V2 K15. En courbe par rapport à la moyenne française :

K13

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/606053K13.png

V2 K15

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/327415V2K15.png

palamede
02-14-2016, 01:26 PM
Je trouve que le K13 est plus fiable que le V2 K15. En courbe par rapport à la moyenne française :


"I find K13 is more fiable than V2 K15. The curve compared to the french average"

K15 is more precise in Europe : It is normal new differences appear between the french average and you : K15 components = K13 components + 2 European new components and this modifies other components.

North Atlantic is mainly divided between Atlantic and North Sea. Baltic between Baltic and East European.
Atlantic takes a part of West Med and West Med takes a part of East Med.
East European takes a part of Baltic and a part of West Asian reporting the border of European components about from Don River to Ob River.

West Asian takes a part of East Med and South Asian. In more Caucasian sub-component is reinforced in West Asian component, for instance in Abkhaze, West Asian K15 percent is higher the K13 percent while Balutch K15 percent (and other peopes) is a lot higher than the K13 percent, we can suppose the "teal' sub-component (its origine from Kazakstan in reality) goes from West Asian K13 component to East European K15 component .

palamede
02-14-2016, 07:44 PM
West Asian takes a part of East Med and South Asian. In more Caucasian sub-component is reinforced in West Asian component, for instance in Abkhaze, West Asian K15 percent is higher the K13 percent while Balutch K15 percent (and other peoples) is a lot higher than the K13 percent, we can suppose the "teal' sub-component (its origine from Kazakstan in reality) goes from West Asian K13 component to East European K15 component .

Erratum : while for Balutch people specially, K15 West Asian percent (and for other peoples of SC Asian) is a lot lower than the K13 percent

The_Lyonnist
02-19-2016, 08:49 PM
Need information. Why so much higher in West Asian and Near East?

MLDP World-22.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent (Moyenne France)
1 North-East-European 39.48 (38.44)
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 37.48 (43.54)
3 West-Asian 11 (6.71)
4 Near_East 6.51 (3.40)
5 North-European-Mesolithic 3.54 (4.00)
6 Indian 0.87 (0.20)
7 Indo-Iranian 0.52 (2.10)
8 South-African 0.13 (0.00)
9 South-America_Amerind 0.13 (0.10)
10 North-Amerind 0.11 (0.20)
11 Paleo-Siberian 0.09 (0.10)
12 Indo-Tibetan 0.08 (0.20)
13 Austronesian 0.06 (0.10)

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swiss (derived) 4.71
2 German-South (derived) 4.72
3 Montenegrin (derived) 4.96
4 Macedonian (derived) 6.49
5 Italian_North (derived) 6.74
6 Serbian (derived) 6.94
7 Provancestralal (derived) 7.25
8 Bulgarian (derived) 7.46
9 French (derived) 7.49
10 Romania (derived) 7.84
11 Gagauz (derived) 10.16
12 CEU (derived) 10.31
13 British (derived) 10.44
14 German_V (derived) 11.24
15 Austrian (derived) 11.52
16 Orcadian (derived) 12.08
17 CEU_V (derived) 12.39
18 Bosnian (derived) 12.39
19 Welsh (derived) 12.43
20 Hungarian (derived) 12.88

Mestace
02-20-2016, 06:51 AM
Need information. Why so much higher in West Asian and Near East?

MLDP World-22.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent (Moyenne France)
1 North-East-European 39.48 (38.44)
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 37.48 (43.54)
3 West-Asian 11 (6.71)
4 Near_East 6.51 (3.40)
5 North-European-Mesolithic 3.54 (4.00)
6 Indian 0.87 (0.20)
7 Indo-Iranian 0.52 (2.10)
8 South-African 0.13 (0.00)
9 South-America_Amerind 0.13 (0.10)
10 North-Amerind 0.11 (0.20)
11 Paleo-Siberian 0.09 (0.10)
12 Indo-Tibetan 0.08 (0.20)
13 Austronesian 0.06 (0.10)

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swiss (derived) 4.71
2 German-South (derived) 4.72
3 Montenegrin (derived) 4.96
4 Macedonian (derived) 6.49
5 Italian_North (derived) 6.74
6 Serbian (derived) 6.94
7 Provancestralal (derived) 7.25
8 Bulgarian (derived) 7.46
9 French (derived) 7.49
10 Romania (derived) 7.84
11 Gagauz (derived) 10.16
12 CEU (derived) 10.31
13 British (derived) 10.44
14 German_V (derived) 11.24
15 Austrian (derived) 11.52
16 Orcadian (derived) 12.08
17 CEU_V (derived) 12.39
18 Bosnian (derived) 12.39
19 Welsh (derived) 12.43
20 Hungarian (derived) 12.88

Tu as un petit shift sud pour la région mais rien qui sort d'une variation normale je pense. Le West Asian c'est probablement dû à L'Allemand (oui ils en ont plus en général) par contre ils ont moins de "near_east", possible influence Nord Italienne distante, mais simple spéculation. Sinon tu es de quel coin, vraiment centre Lyon ou en péripherie ?

ffoucart
02-20-2016, 08:57 AM
I think that part of it is due to the Yamna (they were 50% CHG).

tchekitchek
02-20-2016, 09:51 AM
Moi aussi j'ai un taux similaire de West Asian et de Near East (10 et 5), qui me donne parfois des resultats dans les balkans/sud de l'allemagne; je crois que c'est normal dans la moitié est de la France (royaume de Lothaire?).

anglesqueville
02-20-2016, 01:54 PM
I think that part of it is due to the Yamna (they were 50% CHG). I am very skeptical about this statement. It comes from the first modeling of the yamnayas by Reich as half EHG + half armenian, that has since then been strongly contested. If west-asian in k22 was correlated with the Yamna people, it would be with ANE, and then would reach a maximum in Lithuania, Latvia, etc, that is obviously false. West-asian and near-east in k22 are very clearly correlated with mediterranean-neolithic, what shows up rather well onthe variables factor map of k22 on this PCA ( I've added The_Lyonnist as "extra"):
79017902 That said there are imo problematic things with this calc, in particular the fact that the components called north-european-mesolithic ( probably a mix of WHG and EHG?) and north-east-european are nearly orthogonal ( or if you prefere, independant), which is nonsensical. That's the reason why the PCA is so flat, the dim 2 occupied only by people with a saami affinity. K23b has corrected many issues of K22.

cderory
02-20-2016, 02:29 PM
Mes taux West-Asian et Near_East sont proches également.
Tous mes ancêtres connus ses 4 derniers siècles viennent des monts du Forez ou de zones très proches.

MDLP World-22 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 40.7
2 North-East-European 37.31
3 West-Asian 10.31
4 Near_East 7.87
5 North-European-Mesolithic 1.79
6 Indo-Iranian 0.82
7 East-Siberean 0.46
8 Samoedic 0.25
9 Austronesian 0.22
10 North-Siberean 0.19
11 Pygmy 0.05
12 Indo-Tibetan 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swiss (derived) 2.49
2 Italian_North (derived) 3.31
3 Provancestralal (derived) 3.67
4 French (derived) 6.33
5 German-South (derived) 6.79
6 Montenegrin (derived) 7.09
7 Macedonian (derived) 8.69
8 Bulgarian (derived) 8.93
9 Romania (derived) 9.06
10 Serbian (derived) 9.83
11 Portugese (derived) 10.62
12 Spaniard (derived) 10.87
13 Italian-North (derived) 10.91
14 Iberian (derived) 11.19
15 Gagauz (derived) 11.3
16 British (derived) 12.36
17 CEU (derived) 12.62
18 Kosovar (derived) 12.72
19 Corsican (derived) 12.95
20 Orcadian (derived) 13.76

Helgenes50
02-20-2016, 02:35 PM
Mes taux West-Asian et Near_East sont proches également.
Tous mes ancêtres connus ses 4 derniers siècles viennent des monts du Forez ou de zones très proches.

MDLP World-22 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 40.7
2 North-East-European 37.31
3 West-Asian 10.31
4 Near_East 7.87
5 North-European-Mesolithic 1.79
6 Indo-Iranian 0.82
7 East-Siberean 0.46
8 Samoedic 0.25
9 Austronesian 0.22
10 North-Siberean 0.19
11 Pygmy 0.05
12 Indo-Tibetan 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swiss (derived) 2.49
2 Italian_North (derived) 3.31
3 Provancestralal (derived) 3.67
4 French (derived) 6.33
5 German-South (derived) 6.79
6 Montenegrin (derived) 7.09
7 Macedonian (derived) 8.69
8 Bulgarian (derived) 8.93
9 Romania (derived) 9.06
10 Serbian (derived) 9.83
11 Portugese (derived) 10.62
12 Spaniard (derived) 10.87
13 Italian-North (derived) 10.91
14 Iberian (derived) 11.19
15 Gagauz (derived) 11.3
16 British (derived) 12.36
17 CEU (derived) 12.62
18 Kosovar (derived) 12.72
19 Corsican (derived) 12.95
20 Orcadian (derived) 13.76

Bienvenu sur le forum!
Cela fait toujours plaisir de voir de plus en plus de Français

Si ce n'est déjà fait tu devrais essayer Eurogenes K13 et V2K15, ce sont de très bonnes calculatrices

Thanathos
02-20-2016, 03:50 PM
Here's mine to make a comparison, I score much less in west asian and near eastern, maybe from being closer to british isles....


# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 44.98
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 35.87
3 West-Asian 7.99
4 North-European-Mesolithic 3.83
5 Near_East 3.27
6 Indo-Iranian 2.62


Finished reading population data. 276 populations found.
22 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 German-South @ 4.210378
2 CEU @ 5.570148
3 British @ 5.978611
4 German_V @ 6.116925
5 Austrian @ 6.533040
6 Welsh @ 6.902960
7 CEU_V @ 7.029455
8 Serbian @ 7.584999
9 Orcadian @ 7.794398
10 Montenegrin @ 9.073540
11 Hungarian @ 9.141022
12 Norwegian_V @ 9.331244
13 French @ 10.209246
14 Bosnian @ 10.574656
15 Croatian @ 10.692480
16 Macedonian @ 10.776430
17 Swiss @ 10.974565
18 Slovenian @ 11.266601
19 German-North @ 11.658226
20 German @ 11.913809

anglesqueville
02-20-2016, 06:16 PM
Here's mine to make a comparison, I score much less in west asian and near eastern, maybe from being closer to british isles....

That's roughly what I get for me and the people in my clan:

G

Pygmy -
West-Asian 4.99
North-European-Mesolithic 4.11
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 0.84
South-America_Amerind -
Indian -
North-Siberean 1.01
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 32.75
Samoedic 0.10
Indo-Iranian 2.50
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 52.46
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian 0.18
East-South-Asian -
Near_East -
Melanesian 0.08
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 0.98

F
Population
Pygmy -
West-Asian 5.73
North-European-Mesolithic 5.19
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 0.59
South-America_Amerind -
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 33.61
Samoedic 0.38
Indo-Iranian 1.21
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 51.32
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian 0.14
East-South-Asian -
Near_East 1.41
Melanesian 0.32
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 0.07

A

Population
Pygmy -
West-Asian 6.23
North-European-Mesolithic 5.21
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 1.14
South-America_Amerind -
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.52
Samoedic 0.58
Indo-Iranian 1.08
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 49.17
South-African -
North-Amerind 0.24
Sub-Saharian 0.36
East-South-Asian -
Near_East 0.70
Melanesian 0.12
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 0.66

B
Pygmy -
West-Asian 7.24
North-European-Mesolithic 3.30
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind -
South-America_Amerind -
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 37.42
Samoedic -
Indo-Iranian 1.82
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 43.78
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian -
East-South-Asian -
Near_East 5.61
Melanesian 0.53
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 0.29

C
Pygmy -
West-Asian 6.69
North-European-Mesolithic 5.57
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 0.82
South-America_Amerind 0.12
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.90
Samoedic 1.33
Indo-Iranian 2.13
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 47.03
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian 0.82
East-South-Asian -
Near_East 0.08
Melanesian 0.30
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 0.20

E
Pygmy -
West-Asian 7.23
North-European-Mesolithic 5.21
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 0.86
South-America_Amerind 0.07
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 35.07
Samoedic 0.81
Indo-Iranian 1.93
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 47.47
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian 0.78
East-South-Asian -
Near_East -
Melanesian 0.32
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 0.26
D
Pygmy 0.09
West-Asian 7.86
North-European-Mesolithic 3.95
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 0.28
South-America_Amerind -
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 38.93
Samoedic -
Indo-Iranian 1.27
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 41.75
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian -
East-South-Asian -
Near_East 4.60
Melanesian 0.42
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 0.86

H
Population
Pygmy -
West-Asian 6.64
North-European-Mesolithic 5.66
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 0.84
South-America_Amerind 0.12
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.87
Samoedic 1.51
Indo-Iranian 2.15
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 46.76
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian 0.85
East-South-Asian -
Near_East 0.12
Melanesian 0.26
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 0.18

I
Pygmy -
West-Asian 7.97
North-European-Mesolithic 4.48
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 0.48
South-America_Amerind -
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.45
Samoedic 0.72
Indo-Iranian 1.60
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 46.44
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian -
East-South-Asian -
Near_East 3.34
Melanesian 0.46
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian -

J
Population
Pygmy -
West-Asian 8.01
North-European-Mesolithic 3.98
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 0.12
South-America_Amerind -
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 36.64
Samoedic -
Indo-Iranian 1.09
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 45.92
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian 0.14
East-South-Asian -
Near_East 2.74
Melanesian 0.20
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 1.15



That said the 'near-east' component seems dubious ( at least for me). I wonder how Vadim was able, when he wrote K22, without any anatolian ADN, to separate it from the 'west-asian'. If I may give and advice to the newcomers, try MDLP k23b and the Eurogenes.

Mestace
02-20-2016, 06:17 PM
Mdlp world is a pre CHG (pre NAF as well) calculator, so not the most informative in the admix and difficult to compare with the more recent. The West Asian is a bit different than a proper CHG, probably the Near_east too, but still a decent calculator.

Family results


Mine

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 41.54
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 38.01
3 West-Asian 7.73
4 Near_East 5.92
5 North-European-Mesolithic 4.8
6 Indo-Iranian 0.95
7 Indo-Tibetan 0.88
8 Arctic-Amerind 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German-South (derived) 2.96
2 Swiss (derived) 5.97
3 French (derived) 6.4
4 Montenegrin (derived) 7.26
5 CEU (derived) 7.39
6 British (derived) 7.52
7 Serbian (derived) 7.81
8 Provancestralal (derived) 8.6
9 Macedonian (derived) 8.87
10 Orcadian (derived) 8.93
11 Italian_North (derived) 8.98
12 German_V (derived) 9.42
13 Welsh (derived) 9.57
14 Austrian (derived) 9.71
15 CEU_V (derived) 9.94
16 Bulgarian (derived) 10.43
17 Norwegian_V (derived) 10.96
18 Romania (derived) 11.34
19 Hungarian (derived) 11.71
20 Bosnian (derived) 12.23


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian-North +50% Swedish @ 1.777138

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German-South +25% Italian-North +25% Swedish_V @ 1.465998

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Corsican + Italian_North + Swedish + Swedish @ 1.176022
2 CEU_V + Corsican + Italian_North + Swedish_V @ 1.177035
3 German-South + Italian_North + Italian_North + Swedish_V @ 1.262900
4 Corsican + German_V + Italian_North + Swedish_V @ 1.274768
5 Corsican + German_V + Swedish_V + Swiss @ 1.292401

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.8% Italian_North (derived) + 35.2% Swedish_V (derived) @ 1.09
2 53.9% Swedish (derived) + 46.1% Italian-North (derived) @ 1.19
3 61.1% Italian_North (derived) + 38.9% Swedish (derived) @ 1.32
4 56.6% Swedish (derived) + 43.4% Corsican (derived) @ 1.64
5 97.6% German-South (derived) + 2.4% Near_East (ancestral) @ 1.71
6 65% CEU_V (derived) + 35% Corsican (derived) @ 1.79
7 74.1% Swiss (derived) + 25.9% Swedish_V (derived) @ 1.79
8 71% Swiss (derived) + 29% Swedish (derived) @ 1.8
9 62.6% CEU_V (derived) + 37.4% Italian-North (derived) @ 1.89
10 56.4% German-North (derived) + 43.6% Corsican (derived) @ 1.91
11 63.3% Swiss (derived) + 36.7% CEU_V (derived) @ 1.93
12 62.4% Provancestralal (derived) + 37.6% Swedish (derived) @ 1.95
13 66.1% Provancestralal (derived) + 33.9% Swedish_V (derived) @ 1.95
14 50% Swedish_V (derived) + 50% Italian-North (derived) @ 1.96
15 88.5% British (derived) + 11.5% Samaritian (derived) @ 1.99
16 52.7% Italian_North (derived) + 47.3% CEU_V (derived) @ 2.01
17 82.1% Provancestralal (derived) + 17.9% Estonian (derived) @ 2.02
18 96.9% German-South (derived) + 3.1% Jew_Yemen (derived) @ 2.03
19 72.9% British (derived) + 27.1% Ashkenazim_V (derived) @ 2.03
20 55.2% Italian_North (derived) + 44.8% Norwegian_V (derived) @ 2.03








Mother

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 45.02
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 38.73
3 West-Asian 8.16
4 North-European-Mesolithic 3.47
5 Near_East 3.05
6 Indo-Tibetan 0.66
7 Indo-Iranian 0.58
8 Paleo-Siberian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German-South (derived) 2.3
2 British (derived) 5.09
3 CEU (derived) 5.28
4 Welsh (derived) 6.83
5 German_V (derived) 6.91
6 Orcadian (derived) 6.95
7 Austrian (derived) 7.33
8 CEU_V (derived) 7.49
9 French (derived) 7.52
10 Serbian (derived) 8.07
11 Montenegrin (derived) 8.54
12 Swiss (derived) 8.81
13 Norwegian_V (derived) 9.77
14 Hungarian (derived) 9.94
15 Macedonian (derived) 10.44
16 Croatian (derived) 11.04
17 Provancestralal (derived) 11.09
18 Bosnian (derived) 11.12
19 Slovenian (derived) 11.51
20 German-North (derived) 11.67


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% German_V @ 1.916602

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German-South +25% German-South +25% Welsh @ 1.653992

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 CEU_V + German-South + German-South + German-South @ 1.634026
2 French + German-North + German-South + German-South @ 1.643277
3 German-South + German-South + German-South + Welsh @ 1.653992
4 British + Croatian + French + German-South @ 1.664780
5 French + German-South + German-South + Slovenian @ 1.7010796

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.9% German-South (derived) + 13.1% German-North (derived) @ 1.5
2 80.9% German-South (derived) + 19.1% CEU_V (derived) @ 1.51
3 95.5% German-South (derived) + 4.5% Lithuanian_V (derived) @ 1.54
4 79.6% German-South (derived) + 20.4% Welsh (derived) @ 1.55
5 97.2% German-South (derived) + 2.8% North-East-European (ancestral) @ 1.55
6 87.5% German-South (derived) + 12.5% Swedish (derived) @ 1.58
7 80.1% German-South (derived) + 19.9% German_V (derived) @ 1.59
8 96% German-South (derived) + 4% Latvian (derived) @ 1.6
9 96.2% German-South (derived) + 3.8% Lithuanian (derived) @ 1.6
10 94.2% German-South (derived) + 5.8% Polish_V (derived) @ 1.61
11 94.7% German-South (derived) + 5.3% Polish (derived) @ 1.62
12 93.9% German-South (derived) + 6.1% Belarusian_V (derived) @ 1.63
13 90.3% German-South (derived) + 9.7% Czech (derived) @ 1.64
14 93.8% German-South (derived) + 6.2% Sorb (derived) @ 1.65
15 95.8% German-South (derived) + 4.2% Belarusian (derived) @ 1.66
16 95.5% German-South (derived) + 4.5% Russian (derived) @ 1.66
17 95.8% German-South (derived) + 4.2% Estonian (derived) @ 1.67
18 91.5% German-South (derived) + 8.5% Slovakian (derived) @ 1.68
19 82% German-South (derived) + 18% Austrian (derived) @ 1.68
20 95.1% German-South (derived) + 4.9% Russian_Center (derived) @ 1.68








Father

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 41.29
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 37.3
3 West-Asian 8.74
4 Near_East 7.45
5 North-European-Mesolithic 4.45
6 South-America_Amerind 0.31
7 Indo-Tibetan 0.31
8 Arctic-Amerind 0.1
9 Indo-Iranian 0.03


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German-South (derived) 4.23
2 Swiss (derived) 5.85
3 Montenegrin (derived) 5.92
4 Serbian (derived) 6.83
5 Macedonian (derived) 7.34
6 French (derived) 7.69
7 Italian_North (derived) 8.39
8 Provancestralal (derived) 8.55
9 Bulgarian (derived) 8.89
10 CEU (derived) 9.02
11 British (derived) 9.26
12 German_V (derived) 9.97
13 Austrian (derived) 10.19
14 Romania (derived) 10.22
15 Orcadian (derived) 10.7
16 CEU_V (derived) 10.79
17 Welsh (derived) 11
18 Bosnian (derived) 11.67
19 Hungarian (derived) 11.72
20 Gagauz (derived) 11.88

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian-North +50% Swedish @ 2.446626

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_North +25% Montenegrin +25% Swedish_V @ 1.984050

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Corsican + Croatian_V + Italian_North + Norwegian_V @ 1.774505
2 Corsican + Croatian + Italian_North + Swedish_V @ 1.789072
3 Basque + Estonian + Greek_East + Swiss @ 1.792256
4 Corsican + German-South + Macedonian + Swedish_V @ 1.813884
5 Bosnian + Corsican + Italian_North + Swedish_V @ 1.824867

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.2% German-South (derived) + 3.8% Near_East (ancestral) @ 1.69
2 94.6% German-South (derived) + 5.4% Jew_Yemen (derived) @ 1.99
3 94.8% German-South (derived) + 5.2% Saudi (derived) @ 2.09
4 67.9% Italian_North (derived) + 32.1% Swedish_V (derived) @ 2.13
5 82.6% Italian_North (derived) + 17.4% Estonian (derived) @ 2.19
6 94.6% German-South (derived) + 5.4% Bedouin (derived) @ 2.19
7 64.6% Italian_North (derived) + 35.4% Swedish (derived) @ 2.22
8 55.2% German (derived) + 44.8% Corsican (derived) @ 2.26
9 51.4% Swedish (derived) + 48.6% Italian-North (derived) @ 2.27
10 51.7% German-North (derived) + 48.3% Italian-North (derived) @ 2.35
11 75.7% Swiss (derived) + 24.3% Croatian_V (derived) @ 2.36
12 82.4% Provancestralal (derived) + 17.6% Estonian (derived) @ 2.38
13 87.8% Swiss (derived) + 12.2% Estonian (derived) @ 2.39
14 64.5% Italian_North (derived) + 35.5% German-North (derived) @ 2.41
15 64.1% Italian_North (derived) + 35.9% German (derived) @ 2.46
16 79.6% Provancestralal (derived) + 20.4% Russian_North (derived) @ 2.46
17 59.7% CEU_V (derived) + 40.3% Italian-North (derived) @ 2.47
18 88.7% Swiss (derived) + 11.3% Latvian (derived) @ 2.47
19 68.6% Corsican (derived) + 31.4% Estonian (derived) @ 2.48
20 79.6% Provancestralal (derived) + 20.4% Moldavian (derived) @ 2.5

ffoucart
02-20-2016, 06:54 PM
I am very skeptical about this statement. It comes from the first modeling of the yamnayas by Reich as half EHG + half armenian, that has since then been strongly contested.
By whom? I'm refering to:

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/151116/ncomms9912/full/ncomms9912.html

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/151116/ncomms9912/fig_tab/ncomms9912_F1.html


But anyway, I'm not a big fan of MDLP World 22, a bit outdated.


My results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 44.02
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 36.00
3 West-Asian 9.04
4 Near_East 6.15
5 North-European-Mesolithic 3.59


Finished reading population data. 276 populations found.
22 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 German-South @ 4.082910
2 Serbian @ 5.527424
3 Montenegrin @ 6.317670
4 German_V @ 7.959491
5 Macedonian @ 8.006189
6 Austrian @ 8.167289
7 CEU @ 8.396999
8 British @ 8.769804
9 Swiss @ 9.241750
10 CEU_V @ 9.248473
11 Hungarian @ 9.935099
12 Welsh @ 9.941432
13 Bosnian @ 10.116593
14 French @ 10.159021
15 Bulgarian @ 10.497820
16 Orcadian @ 10.565560
17 Croatian @ 10.744381
18 Norwegian_V @ 12.012506
19 Italian_North @ 12.194852
20 Provancestralal @ 12.275257

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German-North +50% Italian_North @ 1.671354


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% CEU_V +25% Italian_North +25% Macedonian @ 1.220625


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Croatian + Italian_North + Italian_North + Swedish_V @ 0.964446
2 Croatian + Italian_North + Italian_North + Swedish @ 0.998529
3 Corsican + German-North + Macedonian + Swedish @ 1.094824
4 Croatian + German-South + Italian-North + Swedish @ 1.131125
5 Bosnian + Italian_North + Italian_North + Swedish_V @ 1.131519
6 Bosnian + Italian_North + Swedish + Swiss @ 1.139557
7 German_V + Italian-North + Serbian + Swedish @ 1.191590
8 CEU + Italian_North + Italian-North + Polish_V @ 1.200094
9 French + Macedonian + Montenegrin + Swedish @ 1.205021
10 Bulgarian + Corsican + German-North + Swedish @ 1.213849
11 Corsican + German-North + German-North + Macedonian @ 1.215923
12 CEU_V + CEU_V + Italian_North + Macedonian @ 1.220625
13 Bosnian + German-South + Italian-North + Swedish @ 1.222907
14 Corsican + Kosovar + Polish_V + Swedish_V @ 1.226186
15 German-North + Italian-North + Montenegrin + Swedish @ 1.226380
16 Corsican + Montenegrin + Slovenian + Swedish @ 1.228245
17 CEU_V + Croatian_V + German-South + Italian-North @ 1.236892
18 Croatian + Italian_North + Swedish + Swiss @ 1.243059
19 CEU_V + Italian-North + Macedonian + Swedish @ 1.244689
20 CEU_V + Croatian_V + Italian_North + Provancestralal @ 1.246073

my father's:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 44.99
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.29
3 West-Asian 11.30
4 North-European-Mesolithic 3.77
5 Near_East 3.53
6 Indo-Iranian 1.31


Finished reading population data. 276 populations found.
22 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian @ 5.498836
2 German-South @ 5.802006
3 German_V @ 6.540233
4 Montenegrin @ 7.213802
5 Austrian @ 7.292713
6 Hungarian @ 8.485471
7 Macedonian @ 8.535287
8 CEU_V @ 8.577587
9 CEU @ 8.612858
10 Bosnian @ 8.639602
11 British @ 9.151501
12 Croatian @ 9.407755
13 Welsh @ 9.752892
14 Bulgarian @ 10.975966
15 Slovenian @ 11.059453
16 Orcadian @ 11.176287
17 Swiss @ 11.673754
18 German @ 11.676977
19 Norwegian_V @ 11.710267
20 French @ 12.258757

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German_V +50% Montenegrin @ 2.903624


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% British +25% Greek_Center +25% Ukrainian-Center @ 1.970023


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 CEU + German_V + Kosovar + Latvian_V @ 1.784675
2 British + German_V + Kosovar + Latvian_V @ 1.837708
3 British + German-North + German_V + Greek_North @ 1.901552
4 Gagauz + German-South + German_V + German_V @ 1.919839
5 Basque + British + Greek_Azov + Latvian @ 1.945509
6 German-South + Kosovar + Latvian_V + Swedish @ 1.965125
7 British + British + Greek_Center + Ukrainian-Center @ 1.970023
8 German-North + German_V + Greek_North + Welsh @ 1.972129
9 Bosnian + British + CEU + Gagauz @ 1.972564
10 CEU + German-North + German_V + Greek_North @ 1.974481
11 Kosovar + Montenegrin + Norwegian_V + Ukrainian-Center @ 1.991661
12 Basque + CEU + Greek_Azov + Latvian @ 2.012844
13 Bosnian + CEU + CEU + Gagauz @ 2.013983
14 Bosnian + British + British + Gagauz @ 2.021102
15 British + Gagauz + German_V + German_V @ 2.028293
16 German-South + Kosovar + Latvian_V + Norwegian_V @ 2.028746
17 CEU_V + Gagauz + German-South + German_V @ 2.031641
18 German_V + Kosovar + Latvian_V + Orcadian @ 2.032119
19 CEU + CEU_V + Kosovar + Latvian_V @ 2.035137
20 British + CEU_V + Kosovar + Latvian_V @ 2.073213

my gf

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 42.12
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 35.76
3 West-Asian 8.80
4 Near_East 4.99
5 North-European-Mesolithic 4.82
6 Samoedic 1.64
7 Indo-Iranian 1.25


Finished reading population data. 276 populations found.
22 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 German-South @ 3.939681
2 Serbian @ 7.176338
3 Montenegrin @ 7.353931
4 CEU @ 8.019179
5 Swiss @ 8.355604
6 British @ 8.533898
7 Macedonian @ 8.782760
8 German_V @ 9.106311
9 French @ 9.201452
10 Austrian @ 9.596973
11 CEU_V @ 10.144014
12 Orcadian @ 10.279689
13 Welsh @ 10.298935
14 Bulgarian @ 10.827938
15 Hungarian @ 11.339899
16 Provancestralal @ 11.479388
17 Norwegian_V @ 11.484674
18 Italian_North @ 11.644625
19 Bosnian @ 11.827151
20 Romania @ 12.032204

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German +50% Provancestralal @ 2.190789


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Provancestralal +25% Provancestralal +25% Russian_North @ 1.555015


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 British + Kosovar + Provancestralal + Russian_North @ 1.301846
2 British + Italian_North + Kosovar + Russian_North @ 1.302724
3 CEU + German + Greek_Center + Orcadian @ 1.323255
4 Basque + German_V + Greek_Center + Russian_North @ 1.399534
5 Italian_North + Kosovar + Orcadian + Russian_North @ 1.403388
6 Ashkenazim_V + British + German-South + Swedish @ 1.415882
7 German-South + Kosovar + Provancestralal + Russian_North @ 1.429575
8 CEU + German + Italian-Center + Welsh @ 1.430508
9 Ashkenazim_V + CEU + German-South + Swedish @ 1.444824
10 German-South + Italian-Center + Swedish + Swedish @ 1.448245
11 French + Kosovar + Russian_North + Swiss @ 1.449282
12 CEU + Kosovar + Provancestralal + Russian_North @ 1.449547
13 Ashkenazim_V + CEU + CEU + German_V @ 1.457620
14 German + Italian_North + Italian-North + Swedish_V @ 1.463551
15 British + German + Greek_Center + Orcadian @ 1.475540
16 French + Greek_Center + Swedish + Swedish @ 1.476082
17 CEU_V + German + Italian-Center + Orcadian @ 1.477177
18 German + Greek_East + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 1.477797
19 CEU + German_V + Italian-Center + Swedish @ 1.479964
20 CEU + CEU_V + Italian-Center + Swedish @ 1.482400

Shaikorth
02-20-2016, 07:01 PM
That's roughly what I get for me and the people in my clan:

G

Pygmy -
West-Asian 4.99
North-European-Mesolithic 4.11
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 0.84
South-America_Amerind -
Indian -
North-Siberean 1.01
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 32.75
Samoedic 0.10
Indo-Iranian 2.50
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 52.46
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian 0.18
East-South-Asian -
Near_East -
Melanesian 0.08
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 0.98

F
Population
Pygmy -
West-Asian 5.73
North-European-Mesolithic 5.19
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 0.59
South-America_Amerind -
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 33.61
Samoedic 0.38
Indo-Iranian 1.21
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 51.32
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian 0.14
East-South-Asian -
Near_East 1.41
Melanesian 0.32
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 0.07

A

Population
Pygmy -
West-Asian 6.23
North-European-Mesolithic 5.21
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 1.14
South-America_Amerind -
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.52
Samoedic 0.58
Indo-Iranian 1.08
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 49.17
South-African -
North-Amerind 0.24
Sub-Saharian 0.36
East-South-Asian -
Near_East 0.70
Melanesian 0.12
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 0.66

B
Pygmy -
West-Asian 7.24
North-European-Mesolithic 3.30
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind -
South-America_Amerind -
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 37.42
Samoedic -
Indo-Iranian 1.82
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 43.78
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian -
East-South-Asian -
Near_East 5.61
Melanesian 0.53
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 0.29

C
Pygmy -
West-Asian 6.69
North-European-Mesolithic 5.57
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 0.82
South-America_Amerind 0.12
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.90
Samoedic 1.33
Indo-Iranian 2.13
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 47.03
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian 0.82
East-South-Asian -
Near_East 0.08
Melanesian 0.30
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 0.20

E
Pygmy -
West-Asian 7.23
North-European-Mesolithic 5.21
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 0.86
South-America_Amerind 0.07
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 35.07
Samoedic 0.81
Indo-Iranian 1.93
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 47.47
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian 0.78
East-South-Asian -
Near_East -
Melanesian 0.32
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 0.26
D
Pygmy 0.09
West-Asian 7.86
North-European-Mesolithic 3.95
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 0.28
South-America_Amerind -
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 38.93
Samoedic -
Indo-Iranian 1.27
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 41.75
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian -
East-South-Asian -
Near_East 4.60
Melanesian 0.42
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 0.86

H
Population
Pygmy -
West-Asian 6.64
North-European-Mesolithic 5.66
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 0.84
South-America_Amerind 0.12
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.87
Samoedic 1.51
Indo-Iranian 2.15
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 46.76
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian 0.85
East-South-Asian -
Near_East 0.12
Melanesian 0.26
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 0.18

I
Pygmy -
West-Asian 7.97
North-European-Mesolithic 4.48
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 0.48
South-America_Amerind -
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.45
Samoedic 0.72
Indo-Iranian 1.60
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 46.44
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian -
East-South-Asian -
Near_East 3.34
Melanesian 0.46
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian -

J
Population
Pygmy -
West-Asian 8.01
North-European-Mesolithic 3.98
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican -
Arctic-Amerind 0.12
South-America_Amerind -
Indian -
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 36.64
Samoedic -
Indo-Iranian 1.09
East-Siberean -
North-East-European 45.92
South-African -
North-Amerind -
Sub-Saharian 0.14
East-South-Asian -
Near_East 2.74
Melanesian 0.20
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian 1.15



That said the 'near-east' component seems dubious ( at least for me). I wonder how Vadim was able, when he wrote K22, without any anatolian ADN, to separate it from the 'west-asian'. If I may give and advice to the newcomers, try MDLP k23b and the Eurogenes.

West Asian and Near East separate easily into Bedouin-centric and Georgian-centric components with a global dataset and enough K's, ANE is a major difference.

Distribution maps of West Asian and Near East for World-22, as well as TreeMix analysis on the components. ADMIXTURE components tend to be mixed so a treemix run would be useful for most of the calculators.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LIug8kEPKW4/UFtC9XP-VsI/AAAAAAAAD1A/HTmsEscIGoI/s1600/MDLPwestasian.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MGkmFfIxOvA/UFtHQeRcNHI/AAAAAAAAD18/ig60y5QeFYM/s1600/MDLPneareast.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qzOo1OInoBE/UFTSbwprl3I/AAAAAAAADzM/EQQN9ojGN_U/s1600/MDLD22world-migs.png

ffoucart
02-20-2016, 07:31 PM
West Asian and Near East separate easily into Bedouin-centric and Georgian-centric components with a global dataset and enough K's, ANE is a major difference.

Distribution maps of West Asian and Near East for World-22, as well as TreeMix analysis on the components. ADMIXTURE components tend to be mixed so a treemix run would be useful for most of the calculators.

Thank you. It's more or less what I expected.

anglesqueville
02-20-2016, 10:15 PM
ffoucart :
By whom? My sentence was rough. The contestation I told about is not aimed at the models by Lazaridis of the analysed Yamnaya samples themselves, but at the fact that this modelization would be a sufficient answer to the question: "how did the indo-european newcomers transform the genetic make-up of Europe?" In this debate hundreds of pages were written, just a sample: http://www.eupedia.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-30774.html . Anyway, in the french context, the people who brought in this country the indo-european DNA, to tell this quickly, were already very different from the guys (and girls) from the Yamna culture. Just look on the eurogenes k22 ( as we were spoken about K22) of some german or czech beakers or unetice, and you'll see that they don't have a specialy high west-asian component: Rise 569 has 4.3%. I still think that the source of a west-asian bonus in a french admixture, or more generally in a central european, is likely to be searched on the neo farmers side, more than in the indo-european inheritage.

Tolan
02-21-2016, 04:20 AM
ffoucart : My sentence was rough. The contestation I told about is not aimed at the models by Lazaridis of the analysed Yamnaya samples themselves, but at the fact that this modelization would be a sufficient answer to the question: "how did the indo-european newcomers transform the genetic make-up of Europe?" In this debate hundreds of pages were written, just a sample: http://www.eupedia.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-30774.html . Anyway, in the french context, the people who brought in this country the indo-european DNA, to tell this quickly, were already very different from the guys (and girls) from the Yamna culture. Just look on the eurogenes k22 ( as we were spoken about K22) of some german or czech beakers or unetice, and you'll see that they don't have a specialy high west-asian component: Rise 569 has 4.3%. I still think that the source of a west-asian bonus in a french admixture, or more generally in a central european, is likely to be searched on the neo farmers side, more than in the indo-european inheritage.

I think it is neither Yamnaya nor neo farmer, but related to migrating from the levant, probably more recently

ffoucart
02-21-2016, 08:14 AM
I think it is neither Yamnaya nor neo farmer, but related to migrating from the levant, probably more recently

Perhaps some part of it, but as there is no component for CHG except Near Eastern and West Asian (both including some CHG), I think at least some must be CHG.

anglesqueville
02-21-2016, 08:15 AM
I think it is neither Yamnaya nor neo farmer, but related to migrating from the levant, probably more recently

I agree, it's a possibility, and for once I'm rather tempted to conjecture an effect of the roman military invasion, at least an italic "contagion" (even if the Alps, natural barrier, blah blah... ) One thing is sure, on mdlp k22 the italian averages are high in west-asian ( around 11 for north Italy, more than 20% for center and south).

Tolan
02-21-2016, 10:58 AM
I agree, it's a possibility, and for once I'm rather tempted to conjecture an effect of the roman military invasion, at least an italic "contagion" (even if the Alps, natural barrier, blah blah... ) One thing is sure, on mdlp k22 the italian averages are high in west-asian ( around 11 for north Italy, more than 20% for center and south).

I made a mistake with a Kit number when I tried looked the results for one Yamnaya.

For this calculator,
Indeed, "West Asian" is fairly common in Yamnaya samples.
But can not explain the frequency among Italians and Greeks.
So West-Asian is either by "Steppe related" or by a migration of Mediterranean origin.

"Near east" seems related to the Neolithic farmers, although a more recent migration of Mediterranean origin (the same?), also be possible, especially for Italy and Greece.

Anatolian Farmer 6200BC
M897077
1Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 58.51
2Near_East 27.52
3West-Asian 9.72
4North-East-European 4.05


Early European Farmer
Stuttgart F999916 5500BC
1Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 57.74
2Near_East 24.57
3North-East-European 12.38
4West-Asian 5.16
5Sub-Saharian 0.16



European Middle Neolithic
Esperstedt M226800 3220BC
1Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 57.71
2North-East-European 25.49
3Near_East 16.47
4Sub-Saharian 0.2
5South-African 0.13



Yamnaya
M343758 3000BC
1North-East-European 52.73
2West-Asian 25.45
3Samoedic 6.93
4Indo-Iranian 5.4
5North-European-Mesolithic 4.44
6North-Amerind 2.33
7Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 2.03
8South-America_Amerind 0.62
9South-African 0.07

M828815 2500BC
1North-East-European 51.67
2West-Asian 26.25
3Samoedic 9.83
4North-European-Mesolithic 5.20
5Indo-Iranian 4.00
6Indian 1.91



Bronze Age
CW M224345
1North-East-European 50.49
2Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 18.56
3West-Asian 14.36
4North-European-Mesolithic 8.17
5Indo-Iranian 4.27
6Samoedic 2.47
7Mesoamerican 1.19
8South-America_Amerind 0.23
9Sub-Saharian 0.15
10South-African 0.11

BB M324645
1 North-East-European 53.23
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 31.54
3 West-Asian 6.52
4 North-European-Mesolithic 4.57
5 Indo-Iranian 2.63
6 Arctic-Amerind 1.36
7 Indo-Tibetan 0.08
8 Mesoamerican 0.08

ffoucart
02-21-2016, 11:30 AM
I think Davidski has worked on the West Asian amdixture of Italians and Greeks recently.

Mestace
02-21-2016, 12:01 PM
I think Davidski has worked on the West Asian amdixture of Italians and Greeks recently.

Yes there s an obvious 4th cline. I would say everything below Tuscan on a PCA is sure to have something else. Probably everybody has a bit of it but is gonna look like noise in North Europe.

anglesqueville
02-21-2016, 02:17 PM
http://eurogenes.blogspot.fr/2016/02/central-anatolian-neolithic-farmers.html
http://eurogenes.blogspot.fr/2016/01/ancient-greeks-and-romans-may-have.html
http://eurogenes.blogspot.fr/2016/02/chg-admixture-in-early-western.html