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ddxue
01-31-2016, 09:56 PM
My Y-DNA haplogroup came out as J-CTS2906, which seems to be also known as J2-M92 or J2a1b1. The problem is... I'm Han Chinese. My paternal relatives are from a village in Eastern China near Nanjing and according to our recorded family tree that goes back to the Song dynasty, we have been there for at least a few hundred years. Researching online, I couldn't find any studies where Han Chinese had any haplogroup J2. I only found a study by a Japanese researcher who studied populations in Northwest China. In that study, Uyghurs, Tajiks, and Uzbeks had haplogroup J2. It stands to reason that the Hui also have J2 since their patrilineal lines include descent from Muslims who came over in the Yuan dynasty. In the Family Tree DNA Haplogroup J2 project, searching my specific subclade only came up with a bunch of Italian sounding names. My mtDNA haplogroup is Z3 which seems to check out since it's common in Northern Chinese/Koreans/Japanese. My autosomal breakdown was 67% Eastern Asia and 33% Southeast Asia/Oceania, which is pretty close to the reference Chinese population. Wouldn't my autosomal breakdown have some percentage of Mediterranean or Southwest Asian if I had haplogroup J2?

After reading this thread (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6206-URGENT-Results-came-and-Help!!-NGE-2-0) from a person who also got J-CTS2906 in their next gen results, I realize I have some of the same issues except I do not have another DNA test to compare with. I also did not test positive for J-M410 (which means I can't be J2) but did test positive for CTS1831 (which is C-M217).

Yet I also ran my FTDNA transfer results through the Y haplogroup predictor here (http://ytree.morleydna.com/) and it predicted I1a2b/I1-Z138 (I1-Z139) using the ISOGG tree and I1a2a1a1a~2/I1-P268 using the experimental tree. Isn't I1 only present in Scandinavia? How is this even possible? Are there any other Y haplogroup predictors I can try that accept FTDNA format?

Here are my FTDNA Y-DNA SNP results (FTDNA's haplogroup prediction is ongoing):

A531+, A91+, BY1142+, BY1357+, BY136_FGC19909_Z18229+, BY1551+, BY1586+, BY1734+, BY20+, BY2243+, BY2391+, BY2462+, BY2510+, BY65_Z18181+, BY763+, BY876+, CTS10031+, CTS10147+, CTS10188+, CTS10229+, CTS103+, CTS10300+, CTS10428+, CTS10433+, CTS10442+, CTS10448+, CTS10534+, CTS10552+, CTS10572+, CTS10615+, CTS10648+, CTS1066+, CTS10720+, CTS10723+, CTS10745+, CTS10761+, CTS10821+, CTS1083+, CTS10847+, CTS10923+, CTS11012+, CTS11041+, CTS11071+, CTS11088+, CTS11126+, CTS11148+, CTS11149+, CTS11190+, CTS11261+, CTS11354+, CTS114+, CTS1141+, CTS11436+, CTS11441+, CTS1148+, CTS11503+, CTS11522+, CTS11530+, CTS11544+, CTS1164+, CTS11651+, CTS1171+, CTS11710+, CTS11726+, CTS11731+, CTS11759+, CTS11816+, CTS11907+, CTS11949+, CTS11970+, CTS12023+, CTS12058+, CTS1216+, CTS12449+, CTS12450+, CTS12472+, CTS12578+, CTS12652+, CTS1276+, CTS12856+, CTS12879+, CTS12931+, CTS12933+, CTS12934+, CTS12948+, CTS12976+, CTS1340+, CTS1353+, CTS1413+, CTS1436+, CTS1633+, CTS1710+, CTS1758+, CTS1806+, CTS1831+, CTS1854+, CTS191+, CTS2+, CTS202+, CTS2067+, CTS210+, CTS2105+, CTS2134+, CTS2230+, CTS2275+, CTS2284+, CTS2289+, CTS2413+, CTS244+, CTS2488+, CTS2491+, CTS2515+, CTS2550+, CTS2670+, CTS2709+, CTS278+, CTS280+, CTS2800+, CTS2848+, CTS2906+, CTS2947+, CTS305+, CTS316+, CTS3202+, CTS3221+, CTS3268+, CTS3366+, CTS3403+, CTS3430+, CTS3466+, CTS347+, CTS3519+, CTS352+, CTS3536+, CTS3543+, CTS3654+, CTS3658+, CTS3663+, CTS3700+, CTS3802+, CTS3837+, CTS3868+, CTS3902+, CTS3996+, CTS4053+, CTS4086+, CTS4089+, CTS4094+, CTS4137+, CTS4178+, CTS4209+, CTS4235+, CTS4326+, CTS4406+, CTS4443+, CTS4463+, CTS4608+, CTS4643+, CTS4715+, CTS4781+, CTS4784+, CTS4793+, CTS4853+, CTS4984+, CTS5052+, CTS5152+, CTS5156+, CTS5254+, CTS5304+, CTS5334+, CTS5359+, CTS5370+, CTS5383+, CTS5410+, CTS5522+, CTS5649+, CTS5690+, CTS58+, CTS5828+, CTS585+, CTS5860+, CTS5874+, CTS5933+, CTS5939+, CTS597+, CTS5998+, CTS6062+, CTS6063+, CTS6090+, CTS6117+, CTS6135+, CTS6265+, CTS6266+, CTS6285+, CTS6352+, CTS636+, CTS6365+, CTS6378+, CTS6394+, CTS6403+, CTS6438+, CTS6447+, CTS6449+, CTS6468+, CTS6481+, CTS6492+, CTS6506+, CTS656+, CTS6613+, CTS6631+, CTS6677+, CTS6704+, CTS6848+, CTS6865+, CTS687+, CTS6916+, CTS6918+, CTS6967+, CTS7022+, CTS7101+, CTS7120+, CTS7147+, CTS7167+, CTS7186+, CTS7193+, CTS7227+, CTS7266+, CTS7275+, CTS7285+, CTS7299+, CTS730+, CTS7317+, CTS7335+, CTS736+, CTS7451+, CTS7598+, CTS7601+, CTS7611+, CTS7626+, CTS7642+, CTS7803+, CTS7810+, CTS7925+, CTS7929+, CTS7942+, CTS8027+, CTS8126+, CTS8203+, CTS8216+, CTS8300+, CTS8301+, CTS8440+, CTS8492+, CTS8506+, CTS8521+, CTS860+, CTS8645+, CTS8723+, CTS8815+, CTS8889+, CTS9056+, CTS914+, CTS9154+, CTS9240+, CTS9322+, CTS9325+, CTS9335+, CTS9387+, CTS9471+, CTS9518+, CTS9525+, CTS9539+, CTS9558+, CTS9677+, CTS97+, CTS9716+, CTS9757+, CTS9894+, CTS9900+, CTS9925+, CTS9975+, CTS9976+, DF109_FGC4101_S660_Y2845+, F1007+, F1012+, F1013+, F1024+, F1030+, F1055+, F1096+, F1108+, F1127+, F1159+, F1191+, F1207+, F1217+, F1221+, F1241+, F1291+, F1302+, F1307+, F1329+, F1367+, F1382+, F1405+, F1412+, F142+, F1420+, F1442+, F1474+, F1476+, F1490+, F1539+, F1540+, F1564+, F1567+, F1574+, F1594+, F1597+, F1677+, F1703+, F1704+, F1712+, F1714+, F1727+, F1753+, F1767+, F1796+, F1804+, F1813+, F1848+, F1874+, F188+, F1899+, F1905+, F1924+, F1946+, F1956+, F2018+, F202+, F2028+, F2048+, F2067+, F2132+, F2142+, F2149+, F2155+, F2165+, F2208+, F2211+, F2224+, F2236+, F2282+, F2304+, F2327+, F2332+, F2343+, F2370+, F2371+, F2379+, F240+, F2402+, F2434+, F2480+, F2512+, F2516+, F2546+, F2558+, F2587+, F2600+, F2620+, F2654+, F2673+, F2688+, F2710+, F2718+, F2724+, F2742+, F2753+, F2761+, F2767+, F2792+, F2808+, F2837+, F2840+, F2850+, F2869+, F287+, F2873+, F2924+, F2947+, F2960+, F2961+, F2985+, F299+, F2990+, F2992+, F3032+, F3043+, F3048+, F3056+, F3057+, F3082+, F3108+, F3111+, F3122+, F3136+, F3143+, F3195_PF1806+, F3270+, F3311+, F3324+, F3335+, F3368_PF3566+, F3395+, F3402_PF3567+, F3422+, F3444+, F3451+, F3491+, F3518+, F3556+, F3582+, F3595+, F3625+, F3632+, F3643+, F3670+, F3692+, F3697+, F371+, F3735+, F3739+, F3744+, F3789+, F3806+, F386+, F3869+, F3892+, F3907+, F3949+, F3956+, F3994+, F3998+, F4003+, F4010+, F4111+, F4176+, F4188_PF3539+, F4244+, F4251+, F4257+, F4282+, F4338+, F492+, F526+, F557+, F565+, F61+, F646+, F716+, F719+, F736+, F741+, F743+, F767+, F771+, F819+, F836+, F837+, F845+, F862+, F896+, F910+, F995+, FGC11678+, FGC11897_YP327+, FGC16179_Y6682_Z4084+, FGC16192_Y4462_Z16217+, FGC16362_Z18162+, FGC16466_Z16739+, FGC16683_Y5619+, FGC1721_Y5322+, FGC20866_ZS2566+, FGC20874_ZS2572+, FGC24646+, FGC28639_YP556+, FGC29572+, FGC3718_Y6369+, FGC6948_Y2703+, IMS-JST029149+, K257+, K386+, L104+, L1093+, L1186+, L1247+, L132+, L1324+, L167+, L183+, L187+, L213+, L245+, L253+, L254+, L294+, L325+, L387+, L440+, L442+, L453+, L459+, L464_1+, L484+, L492+, L496+, L498+, L503+, L533+, L542+, L551+, L552+, L556+, L557+, L625+, L636+, L665+, L72+, L782+, L784+, L817+, L840+, L99+, M102+, M116+, M129+, M139+, M171+, M251+, M262+, M275+, M288+, M367+, M39+, M94+, M9574+, M9588+, MC14+, N4+, NGC5+, P102+, P108+, P117+, P118+, P129+, P135+, P136+, P141+, P145+, P148+, P151+, P159+, P160+, P166+, P181+, P194+, P202+, P268+, P269+, P289+, P305+, P40+, P52+, P59+, P77+, P80+, P84+, P91+, PAGES00010+, PAGES00048+, PAGES00081+, PAGES00101+, PAGES00105+, PF1015+, PF1026+, PF1031+, PF1085+, PF1097+, PF1141+, PF1147+, PF1152+, PF1164+, PF1169+, PF121+, PF1226+, PF1232+, PF1252+, PF1269+, PF1270+, PF1279+, PF1283+, PF133+, PF1368+, PF147+, PF156+, PF1562+, PF1577+, PF1587+, PF22+, PF228+, PF2334+, PF2436+, PF2438+, PF2466+, PF2481+, PF2495+, PF2579+, PF2593+, PF2611+, PF2624+, PF2635+, PF2643+, PF2745+, PF276+, PF288+, PF293+, PF302+, PF3051+, PF3086+, PF3107+, PF3188+, PF3220+, PF3248+, PF328+, PF3298+, PF331+, PF3320+, PF3561+, PF3823+, PF3890+, PF3964+, PF3986+, PF40+, PF4105+, PF4193+, PF4246+, PF4533+, PF4573+, PF4576+, PF4589+, PF4592+, PF4647+, PF4653+, PF4720+, PF4876+, PF4879+, PF4888+, PF4957+, PF5014+, PF5104+, PF5122+, PF5123+, PF5125+, PF5147+, PF5169+, PF535+, PF5381+, PF5436+, PF5517+, PF5735+, PF5744+, PF5784+, PF5787+, PF5792+, PF5815+, PF5819+, PF601+, PF6063+, PF625+, PF6275+, PF6286+, PF6300+, PF6314+, PF6369+, PF644+, PF6673+, PF668+, PF671+, PF679+, PF6864+, PF6865+, PF6914+, PF698+, PF700+, PF7067+, PF7328+, PF7341+, PF7374+, PF7434+, PF747+, PF7527+, PF7552+, PF7557+, PF791+, PF794+, PF806+, PF829+, PF888+, PF907+, PF926+, PF93+, PF946+, PF95+, PF966+, PF968+, PF971+, PF997+, PK1+, PR805+, rs35407486+, rs9785743+, rs9786774+, S3207+, s5153+, S7123+, SK1247_Y4915+, SK1410_Y5528_Z20169+, V174+, V183_F1743+, V186+, V187+, V199+, V205+, V21+, V216+, V221+, V227+, V232_F1029+, V250+, V29+, V32+, V59+, V78+, V79+, V8+, V90+, V94+, Y1038+, Y1049+, Y1083+, Y1113+, Y1122+, Y2799_Z7648+, Y32+, Y4482_Z12144+, Y4486_Z4016+, Y4488_Z4051+, Y4493_Z4133+, Y4496_Z7169+, Y4864_Z16422+, Y5272+, Y5305_Z16500+, Y5759_Z16420+, Y6181+, Y6674_Z3968+, Y6691+, Y6694_Z4141+, Y763+, YP321+, YSC0000081+, YSC0000150+, YSC0000216+, YSC0000292+, YSC0001071+, Z11180+, Z1149+, Z12163+, Z12214+, Z130+, Z133+, Z138+, Z1435+, Z1455+, Z1456+, Z1459+, Z1476+, Z148+, Z1483+, Z1504+, Z1518+, Z1589+, Z1593+, Z1616+, Z18133+, Z18140+, Z1817+, Z18186+, Z1835+, Z187+, Z189+, Z1975+, Z2069+, Z2082+, Z2094+, Z213+, Z2396+, Z269+, Z270+, Z274+, Z284+, Z2970+, Z2976+, Z2983+, Z30+, Z306+, Z315+, Z319+, Z347+, Z350+, Z3723+, Z39+, Z3965+, Z3999+, Z4059+, Z4073+, Z4083+, Z4090+, Z4091+, Z4095+, Z4145+, Z4151+, Z477+, Z515+, Z531+, Z544+, Z60+, Z625+, Z638+, Z72+, Z75+, Z767+, Z966+, ZS1727+, ZS251+

ArmandoR1b
02-02-2016, 01:38 PM
There is a CSV file that Geno 2.0 transferred to your FTDNA account. It has about 13,600 SNPs. If you send that to me in a PM, or a link to where you have uploaded it, I can convert some of them to negatives but I don't know if it will really help.

What you really should do is get an STR test from FTDNA but as a new customer so you have a new kit number and then order SNP testing or a BigY test once the STR testing is complete.

ArmandoR1b
02-02-2016, 02:18 PM
I compared your positive SNPs and the positive SNPs of xsayo123, who's father tested positive for M217 in the other thread, and you and he share 836 SNPs out the 845 that you tested positive for. So, you are also haplogroup C. You should contact the admins of the haplogroup C project at https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Chaplogroup/default.aspx

A.D.
02-05-2016, 06:32 PM
I got something similar. I was Haplogroup A on my FTDNA transfer (for a while) and Geno2 has me as R-Z270. I was moved to Haplogroup R1b DF27 but it didn't show P312 but did P310.I contacted DF27 admin and he advised me there were a few 'issues ' with some SNP's on Geno2+ and to ignore the 'mistakes'. Here are my FTDNA Y-DNA SNP results - kit N160159

A531+, A91+, BY1142+, BY1357+, BY136_FGC19909_Z18229+, BY1551+, BY1734+, BY20+, BY2510+, BY65_Z18181+, BY763+, CTS10031+, CTS10147+, CTS10188+, CTS10229+, CTS103+, CTS10300+, CTS10428+, CTS10433+, CTS10448+, CTS10552+, CTS10572+, CTS10615+, CTS10648+, CTS1066+, CTS10723+, CTS10745+, CTS10761+, CTS10821+, CTS10847+, CTS11012+, CTS11041+, CTS11071+, CTS11088+, CTS11126+, CTS11148+, CTS11190+, CTS11261+, CTS11354+, CTS114+, CTS1141+, CTS11436+, CTS11441+, CTS1148+, CTS11503+, CTS11530+, CTS1164+, CTS11651+, CTS1171+, CTS11710+, CTS11731+, CTS11759+, CTS11816+, CTS11907+, CTS11949+, CTS11970+, CTS11985+, CTS12023+, CTS12058+, CTS1216+, CTS12449+, CTS12450+, CTS12578+, CTS1276+, CTS12856+, CTS12933+, CTS12934+, CTS12948+, CTS12950+, CTS12976+, CTS1340+, CTS1353+, CTS1413+, CTS1436+, CTS1633+, CTS1710+, CTS1758+, CTS1806+, CTS191+, CTS202+, CTS2067+, CTS210+, CTS2105+, CTS2230+, CTS2275+, CTS2284+, CTS2289+, CTS2413+, CTS2488+, CTS2515+, CTS2670+, CTS278+, CTS2800+, CTS2848+, CTS2906+, CTS2947+, CTS305+, CTS316+, CTS3202+, CTS3268+, CTS3366+, CTS3403+, CTS3466+, CTS347+, CTS3475+, CTS3519+, CTS352+, CTS3543+, CTS3654+, CTS3663+, CTS3700+, CTS3802+, CTS3837+, CTS3868+, CTS3902+, CTS4053+, CTS4086+, CTS4089+, CTS4094+, CTS4137+, CTS4178+, CTS4209+, CTS4235+, CTS4326+, CTS4406+, CTS4463+, CTS4608+, CTS4643+, CTS4715+, CTS4781+, CTS4784+, CTS4793+, CTS4853+, CTS4984+, CTS5052+, CTS5152+, CTS5156+, CTS5254+, CTS5304+, CTS5334+, CTS5359+, CTS5370+, CTS5649+, CTS5690+, CTS58+, CTS5828+, CTS585+, CTS5860+, CTS5933+, CTS5939+, CTS597+, CTS5998+, CTS6062+, CTS6063+, CTS6090+, CTS6117+, CTS6265+, CTS6285+, CTS6352+, CTS636+, CTS6365+, CTS6394+, CTS6403+, CTS6438+, CTS6447+, CTS6449+, CTS6468+, CTS6481+, CTS6506+, CTS656+, CTS6613+, CTS6631+, CTS6677+, CTS6704+, CTS6848+, CTS687+, CTS6918+, CTS6967+, CTS7022+, CTS7101+, CTS7147+, CTS7186+, CTS7193+, CTS7227+, CTS7266+, CTS7275+, CTS7285+, CTS7299+, CTS730+, CTS7317+, CTS7335+, CTS736+, CTS7451+, CTS7598+, CTS7601+, CTS7611+, CTS7626+, CTS7642+, CTS7803+, CTS7810+, CTS7925+, CTS7929+, CTS7942+, CTS8027+, CTS8126+, CTS8203+, CTS8216+, CTS8300+, CTS8440+, CTS8492+, CTS8506+, CTS8521+, CTS860+, CTS8645+, CTS8723+, CTS8815+, CTS9056+, CTS9154+, CTS9240+, CTS9322+, CTS9325+, CTS9335+, CTS9387+, CTS9471+, CTS9518+, CTS9525+, CTS9539+, CTS9558+, CTS97+, CTS9716+, CTS9894+, CTS9900+, CTS9925+, CTS9975+, CTS9976+, DF109_FGC4101_S660_Y2845+, F1007+, F1013+, F1024+, F1055+, F1096+, F1108+, F1127+, F115+, F1159+, F1207+, F1221+, F1291+, F1302+, F1367+, F1405+, F1412+, F142+, F1442+, F1474+, F1476+, F1539+, F1540+, F1567+, F1594+, F1703+, F1712+, F1796+, F1813+, F1848+, F1874+, F188+, F1899+, F1924+, F1946+, F1956+, F2018+, F202+, F2028+, F2132+, F2149+, F2165+, F2208+, F2224+, F2236+, F2304+, F2332+, F2343+, F2370+, F2371+, F240+, F2480+, F2516+, F2546+, F2558+, F2600+, F2654+, F2724+, F2742+, F2753+, F2761+, F2767+, F2840+, F2850+, F287+, F2873+, F2924+, F2947+, F2960+, F2961+, F299+, F2990+, F3048+, F3056+, F3057+, F3108+, F313+, F3143+, F3195_PF1806+, F3270+, F3368_PF3566+, F3402_PF3567+, F3422+, F3444+, F3451+, F3491+, F3518+, F3582+, F3595+, F3625+, F3632+, F3692+, F3697+, F371+, F3735+, F3739+, F3806+, F386+, F3869+, F3892+, F3907+, F3949+, F3956+, F3994+, F4003+, F4042+, F4111+, F4176+, F4188_PF3539+, F4244+, F4251+, F4257+, F4282+, F4338+, F47+, F492+, F526+, F557+, F565+, F61+, F646+, F716+, F719+, F736+, F741+, F743+, F819+, F836+, F837+, F862+, F896+, F910+, F995+, FGC11678+, FGC11897_YP327+, FGC16362_Z18162+, FGC16683_Y5619+, FGC1721_Y5322+, FGC20866_ZS2566+, FGC20874_ZS2572+, FGC28639_YP556+, FGC29572+, FGC6948_Y2703+, K257+, K386+, L104+, L1093+, L1186+, L1247+, L132+, L1324+, L15+, L16+, L167+, L183+, L187+, L213+, L23+, L245+, L253+, L254+, L294+, L325+, L387+, L440+, L442+, L453+, L459+, L464_1+, L483+, L484+, L492+, L496+, L498+, L502+, L503+, L51+, L52+, L533+, L542+, L551+, L552+, L556+, L557+, L625+, L636+, L665+, L72+, L747+, L762+, L782+, L784+, L817+, L840+, L99+, M102+, M116+, M129+, M139+, M171+, M207+, M251+, M262+, M275+, M288+, M343+, M367+, M39+, M45+, M526+, M89+, M94+, M9574+, M9588+, MC14+, N4+, P102+, P108+, P117+, P118+, P128+, P129+, P131+, P132+, P135+, P136+, P141+, P145+, P148+, P151+, P159+, P160+, P166+, P181+, P194+, P202+, P225+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P237+, P238+, P268+, P269+, P289+, P295+, P305+, P310+, P40+, P52+, P59+, P77+, P80+, P84+, P91+, PAGES00010+, PAGES00048+, PAGES00081+, PAGES00101+, PAGES00105+, PF1015+, PF1026+, PF1031+, PF1085+, PF1097+, PF1141+, PF1147+, PF1152+, PF1164+, PF1169+, PF121+, PF1226+, PF1232+, PF1252+, PF1269+, PF1270+, PF1279+, PF1283+, PF133+, PF1368+, PF147+, PF156+, PF1562+, PF1577+, PF1587+, PF22+, PF228+, PF2334+, PF2436+, PF2438+, PF2466+, PF2481+, PF2495+, PF2579+, PF2593+, PF2611+, PF2624+, PF2635+, PF2643+, PF276+, PF288+, PF293+, PF302+, PF3051+, PF3086+, PF3107+, PF3188+, PF3220+, PF3248+, PF328+, PF3298+, PF331+, PF3320+, PF3561+, PF3823+, PF3890+, PF3964+, PF3986+, PF40+, PF4105+, PF4193+, PF4246+, PF4533+, PF4573+, PF4576+, PF4589+, PF4592+, PF4647+, PF4653+, PF4720+, PF4876+, PF4879+, PF4888+, PF4957+, PF5014+, PF5104+, PF5123+, PF5125+, PF5147+, PF5169+, PF5381+, PF5436+, PF5517+, PF5735+, PF5744+, PF5784+, PF5787+, PF5792+, PF5815+, PF5819+, PF5889+, PF601+, PF6145+, PF625+, PF6265+, PF6271+, PF6275+, PF6286+, PF6300+, PF6314+, PF6369+, PF644+, PF6445+, PF6498+, PF6673+, PF668+, PF671+, PF679+, PF6864+, PF6865+, PF6914+, PF698+, PF700+, PF7067+, PF7328+, PF7341+, PF7374+, PF7434+, PF747+, PF7527+, PF7552+, PF7557+, PF791+, PF794+, PF806+, PF829+, PF888+, PF907+, PF926+, PF93+, PF946+, PF95+, PF966+, PF968+, PF971+, PF997+, PK1+, PR805+, rs12116413+, rs1276034+, rs16980396+, rs16980499+, rs17250121+, rs17307070+, rs17842387+, rs2032652+, rs2033003+, rs2075640+, rs35249440+, rs35407486+, rs7067237+, rs7067486+, rs7892924+, rs7893044+, rs877756+, rs895530+, rs9306845+, rs9306848+, rs9785670+, rs9785716+, rs9785717+, rs9785740+, rs9785811+, rs9785846+, rs9785853+, rs9785905+, rs9785953+, rs9785994+, rs9786043+, rs9786082+, rs9786139+, rs9786148+, rs9786181+, rs9786207+, rs9786247+, rs9786283+, rs9786290+, rs9786325+, rs9786439+, rs9786443+, rs9786714+, rs9786770+, S21184+, S23981+, s3+, S3207+, s5153+, S7123+, SK1247_Y4915+, SK1410_Y5528_Z20169+, V174+, V187+, V21+, V216+, V221+, V227+, V250+, V29+, V32+, V59+, V78+, V79+, V8+, V90+, V94+, Y1038+, Y1083+, Y1113+, Y1122+, Y32+, Y4864_Z16422+, Y5272+, Y5305_Z16500+, Y5759_Z16420+, Y6181+, Y763+, YP321+, YSC0000075+, YSC0000081+, YSC0000082+, YSC0000150+, YSC0000186+, YSC0000191+, YSC0000216+, YSC0000224+, YSC0000225+, YSC0000269+, YSC0000288+, YSC0000292+, YSC0001071+, Z11180+, Z1149+, Z130+, Z133+, Z138+, Z1456+, Z1476+, Z148+, Z1483+, Z1504+, Z1518+, Z1589+, Z1593+, Z1616+, Z18133+, Z18140+, Z1817+, Z18186+, Z1835+, Z187+, Z189+, Z195+, Z1975+, Z2069+, Z2082+, Z209+, Z2094+, Z213+, Z220+, Z2396+, Z268+, Z269+, Z270+, Z274+, Z284+, Z2970+, Z2976+, Z2983+, Z30+, Z306+, Z315+, Z319+, Z347+, Z350+, Z3723+, Z39+, Z477+, Z515+, Z531+, Z544+, Z60+, Z625+, Z638+, Z72+, Z75+, Z767+, Z966+, ZS1727+, ZS251+ I find SNPs much harder to understand than STP's.

ArmandoR1b
02-05-2016, 08:45 PM
I got something similar. I was Haplogroup A on my FTDNA transfer (for a while) and Geno2 has me as R-Z270. I was moved to Haplogroup R1b DF27 but it didn't show P312 but did P310.I contacted DF27 admin and he advised me there were a few 'issues ' with some SNP's on Geno2+ and to ignore the 'mistakes'. Here are my FTDNA Y-DNA SNP results - kit N160159
The difference with your case is that Geno gave you the right terminal SNP. If it was the Geno 2.0 NextGen test, then you are negative for the following SNPs downstream from Z270 - Z218, Z221, Z278, Z212 and CTS12074. Z213 is unreliable so it can't be trusted even though it shows you as positive.

Geno 2.0 NextGen doesn't test the following - S452, Z217, Z273, Z219, Z297, CTS2608, Z695, or S8070 so you could be positive for one of those.

The Z209 SNP pack tests some of those but not all of them so it might not be worth it. Once you can afford the BigY test then you should get that one.


I find SNPs much harder to understand than STR's.
Once one of your direct paternal ancestors had an SNP mutation he passed it down to all of his descendants unchanged except in extremely rare occasions. The SNP mutations accumulate to where you have all of the SNP mutations all of your ancestors had in your direct paternal line.

vettor
02-05-2016, 09:04 PM
@A.D

how come you received no negatives?

i got this from NAtgeno

CTS10278+, CTS10362+, CTS10416+, CTS10700+, CTS10879+, CTS109+, CTS11054+, CTS11358+, CTS11569+, CTS11575+, CTS11726+, CTS11746+, CTS11796+, CTS11984+, CTS12108+, CTS125+, CTS12632+, CTS12657+, CTS150+, CTS1774+, CTS1996+, CTS2157+, CTS2336+, CTS2888+, CTS3331+, CTS3431+, CTS3536+, CTS3585+, CTS3648+, CTS3654+, CTS3662+, CTS3767+, CTS3837+, CTS3868+, CTS3996+, CTS4014+, CTS4201+, CTS4364+, CTS4368+, CTS4443+, CTS4652+, CTS4740+, CTS4783+, CTS482+, CTS493+, CTS5035+, CTS5175+, CTS5268+, CTS5318+, CTS5332+, CTS5336+, CTS5364+, CTS5457+, CTS5532+, CTS573+, CTS5987+, CTS6004+, CTS6045+, CTS6135+, CTS6214+, CTS6275+, CTS6276+, CTS6375+, CTS6383+, CTS6577+, CTS6800+, CTS6805+, CTS6887+, CTS6888+, CTS6907+, CTS7164+, CTS7263+, CTS7426+, CTS753+, CTS7922+, CTS7933+, CTS8004+, CTS8243+, CTS8247+, CTS8397+, CTS8862+, CTS8980+, CTS8994+, CTS9268+, CTS9308+, CTS9828+, CTS9984+, F1046+, F1209+, F1302+, F1320+, F1329+, F1704+, F1714+, F1753+, F1767+, F2048+, F2075+, F2142+, F2155+, F2302+, F2402+, F2587+, F2688+, F2710+, F2837+, F2985+, F2993+, F3111+, F3136+, F3335+, F3556+, F3692+, F719+, L131+, L132+, L15+, L16+, PAGES00129+, PF1016+, PF1029+, PF1031+, PF1040+, PF1046+, PF1061+, PF1092+, PF1097+, PF110+, PF1203+, PF1269+, PF1276+, PF192+, PF210+, PF212+, PF223+, PF234+, PF258+, PF2591+, PF2593+, PF2599+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2624+, PF263+, PF2643+, PF272+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF278+, PF292+, PF316+, PF325+, PF342+, PF500+, PF5518+, PF5519+, PF5526+, PF5529+, PF5531+, PF5535+, PF5536+, PF5537+, PF5566+, PF5568+, PF5586+, PF5587+, PF5588+, PF5590+, PF5592+, PF5602+, PF5603+, PF5604+, PF5607+, PF5608+, PF5609+, PF5610+, PF5612+, PF5613+, PF5657+, PF5659+, PF5660+, PF5661+, PF5664+, PF5666+, PF5673+, PF5674+, PF5678+, PF667+, PF719+, PF725+, PF7460+, PF7463+, PF7464+, PF7465+, PF7466+, PF7480+, PF7481+, PF779+, PF796+, PF803+, PF815+, PF821+, PF840+, PF844+, PF892+, PF937+, PF951+, PF970+, V186+, V189+, V205+, V52+, V9+, L298+, L350+, L446+, L468+, L470+, L490+, L498+, M139+, M168+, M235+, M272+, M294+, M42+, M70+, M89+, M94+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P14+, P141+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P166+, P187+, PAGES00078+, L131+, L446+, P327-, P322-, PAGES00113-, L25-, M176-, Page63-, PAGES00063-, SRY465-, PAGE063-, M167-, SRY2627-, M177-, SRY9138-, P211-, M130-, Page51-, PAGES00051-, RPS4Y-, RPS4Y711-, M387-, M4-, M406-, PF3285-, M407-, M410-, PF4941-, M324-, 21354-, IMS-JST021354-, P201-, 21355-, IMS-JST021355-, S349-, L49.1-, L49.2-, PF6276-, S1999-, M329-, M339-, P279-, PF5065-, M346-, M356-, M357-, M369-, M365-, M365.2-, L44-, S171-, M349-, S27503-, L478-, PF6403-, 47z-, L1230-, PF5465-, P204-, L246-, M7-, S27362-, S27754-, MEH2-, PF5851-, L480-, S27406-, L208-, Page2-, PAGES00002-, P6-, S27172-, PF2210-, V36-, V12-, Z1216-, PF2211-, V13-, V22-, V27-, V6-, P262-, V32-, Page71-, PAGES00071-, PAGE071-, M8537-, Page72-, PAGES00072-, PAGE072-, P172-, PF1510-, S27578-, P173-, S27239-, 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P165-, PF1439-, M514-, PF6240-, CTS10349-, PF6492-, CTS10385-, M5522-, PF1785-, P154-, PF1788-, M5524-, PF1792-, P234-, PF6141-, L518-, S22642-, S22642-, P263-, P233-, PF6142-, PK4-, S27165-, M4893-, P227-, M5-, P73-, M16-, L968-, M29-, P3-, PN3-, P2-, PF1940-, PN2-, P72-, P71-, P70-, L90-, Page19-, PAGES00019-, S133-, PAGE019-, U290-, M11609-, M141-, M153-, M138-, M134-, M135-, M133-, M158-, M145-, P205-, PF1444-, M156-, M223-, S5776-, M101-, M161-, PF4447-, M129-, M13-, PF1374-, M14-, M10-, M28-, M163-, M11-, M21-, M18-, M17-, M19-, M20-, PF5570-, M23-, M58-, M155-, M27-, M31-, M30-, M32-, M33-, M34-, PF2022-, M35-, PF1944-, M178-, M38-, M39-, M48-, PR4096-, M36-, M47-, M159-, Page96-, PAGES00096-, PAGE096-, M61-, Page43-, PAGES00043-, M37-, M44-, M52-, M76-, M77-, M147-, M119-, M127-, M137-, M124-, M123-, PF2023-, M122-, M166-, M116-, M116.1-, M114-, M115-, M112-, M113-, M109-, M97-, M96-, PF1823-, M98-, M146-, P280-, PF6068-, M26-, PF4056-, M106-, M105-, M25-, M165-, M323-, M45-, 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PF2706+, P159+, PF2717+, P161+, PF2719+, S27605+, P149+, PF2720+, S27247+, P148+, PF2734+, P128+, PF5504+, PF3558+, P126+, PF6503+, P135+, PF2741+, M9+, PF5506+, M118+, S26596+, M42+, M70+, Page46+, PAGES00046+, PF5662+, M89+, PF2746+, M94+, PF1081+, M272+, PF5667+, M294+, M299+, P136+, PF2762+, CTS11429+, S2041+, S27445+, P157+, PF2771+, 22457+, IMS-JST022457+, S27774+

ArmandoR1b
02-05-2016, 09:19 PM
@A.D how come you received no negatives?
Geno 2.0 no longer transfers negative results. If he had the Geno 2.0 NextGen test then he has a CSV file in his FTDNA myDashboard page that has all of the alleles. I have a couple of files with the SNPs that are tested by Geno 2.0 NextGen so I know which ones he was tested for if he had that test and therefore if they didn't show up they are negatives. Some could be no-calls but those aren't very common in that test.

vettor
02-06-2016, 12:40 AM
Geno 2.0 no longer transfers negative results. If he had the Geno 2.0 NextGen test then he has a CSV file in his FTDNA myDashboard page that has all of the alleles. I have a couple of files with the SNPs that are tested by Geno 2.0 NextGen so I know which ones he was tested for if he had that test and therefore if they didn't show up they are negatives. Some could be no-calls but those aren't very common in that test.

Ok Thanks

Pity they don't take the negatives...............

as i said ...........Ftdna would not take my negatives which belonged to my ydna T marker base group................nor the other markers of ydna K and ydna F which are on my dashboard tree,

but did accept the negatives ( some ) further along the tree

A.D.
02-06-2016, 01:59 AM
I have the Geno 2.0 NextGen test

ArmandoR1b
02-06-2016, 02:03 PM
I have the Geno 2.0 NextGen test
I just realized I had missed a possible negative for you and it could change what I had provided previously, It's harder to compare info when I don't have the CSV file. Anyway, you should download your CSV file from Geno 2.0 that is on your FTDNA page under Genographic Transfer and look for Z211. If it's in there, which it is for other people, and you have CC then they have you negative for that marker and that you would place you into your own separate group from the people at http://ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=753&star=false You could also get the Z209 SNP pack to see if FTDNA gives you the same result which would also test Z216 as well as other downstream SNPs.

Ali16
02-06-2016, 03:12 PM
Geno 2.0 Next Generation is providing incorrect results. You need to contact Geno 2.0 and FTDNA and really complain, keep calling, keep e-mailing, keep complaining. CC [email protected] too!

A.D.
02-06-2016, 04:57 PM
I downloaded my CSV file I have Z209 and Z213 but no Z211. There is no CC on the table only 752/Z209 "TRUE" "Genographic 2+ Transfer". All the file looks like that.

ArmandoR1b
02-06-2016, 05:33 PM
I downloaded my CSV file I have Z209 and Z213 but no Z211. There is no CC on the table only 752/Z209 "TRUE" "Genographic 2+ Transfer". All the file looks like that.
That's the one from the Haplotree page (https://www.familytreedna.com/my/y-dna-haplotree). You need to download the CSV file from the myDashboard (https://www.familytreedna.com/my/default.aspx) page which is the initial page that shows up after you login. The URL is https://www.familytreedna.com/my/default.aspx

See the screenshot for an example

7650

A.D.
02-08-2016, 12:46 AM
I've looked but can not see Z211.

A.D.
02-08-2016, 02:46 PM
I've looked again and there is no P312 on my FTDNA raw data but it is on my Geno2+ dashboard (?) I have e-mailed Nat-Geo again. FTDNA says it will 'take a few working days' to check.

ArmandoR1b
02-08-2016, 05:55 PM
I've looked again and there is no P312 on my FTDNA raw data but it is on my Geno2+ dashboard (?) I have e-mailed Nat-Geo again. FTDNA says it will 'take a few working days' to check.
P312 isn't included in the Geno 2.0 test. It is on the Geno2+ dashboard because you are positive for Z195 and Z220 in the Geno2+ test which means you are positive for P312 without having to test for it.


I've looked but can not see Z211.
Then you should get the Z209 SNP pack test

A.D.
02-08-2016, 08:04 PM
I've got Z209; Z213:but not Z215 I don't have Z196 and I've been told I should have or it is usual to have it. Thanks for clearing up the P312 I was thinking the whole thing was messed up.

ArmandoR1b
02-09-2016, 03:10 PM
I've got Z209; Z213:but not Z215 I don't have Z196 and I've been told I should have or it is usual to have it. Thanks for clearing up the P312 I was thinking the whole thing was messed up.

Z196 is not tested by Geno 2.0 and never was. Z195 is tested by Geno 2.0 and it is a phylogenetic equivalent to Z196.

Ali16
05-13-2016, 01:20 PM
ddxue, has FTDNA corrected your results after all these months?