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Koppany
02-02-2016, 10:28 AM
Hi everyone!
I've been researching R1b since I got my 23andme results because as a eastern european from Slovakia with a typical Slavic name it seemed a little weird to me but now I'm even more confused than ever. 23andme identified me as R1b1b2a(M269+,l49+ but l23-).As I seem to realize this isnt the western variant of R1b but I cant really grasp where is it from either as in this region R1b comes mostly from the Germans who settled here but they carry the western variants.Could you guys enlighten me a little bit?Sorry if the question sounds dumb but I'm really no expert at this:)
Thanks!

ffoucart
02-02-2016, 11:11 AM
R1b spread from the Ponthic Steppe around 3000 BC, into Europe. It is therefore logical you can find various subclades in Eastern Europe.

Don't confuse frequency and presence: it's not because one haplogroup is high somewhere that it doesn't exist elsewhere.

Also remember that Slovakia was not alien to the Celts.

zarkusa
02-02-2016, 11:47 AM
Hi everyone!
I've been researching R1b since I got my 23andme results because as a eastern european from Slovakia with a typical Slavic name it seemed a little weird to me but now I'm even more confused than ever. 23andme identified me as R1b1b2a(M269+,l49+ but l23-).As I seem to realize this isnt the western variant of R1b but I cant really grasp where is it from either as in this region R1b comes mostly from the Germans who settled here but they carry the western variants.Could you guys enlighten me a little bit?Sorry if the question sounds dumb but I'm really no expert at this:)
Thanks!

strange;
I thought that L-23+ is the defining mutation for 23andme's haplo designation R1b1b2a


I'm trying to figure out 23am's names

Can you please check your raw data for rs9785971?

Koppany
02-02-2016, 11:52 AM
Thanks.So basically my R1b could have been here since the time they reached eastern europe,no need to think about recent migrations?

Koppany
02-02-2016, 11:56 AM
strange;
I thought that L-23+ is the defining mutation for 23andme's haplo designation R1b1b2a


I'm trying to figure out 23am's names

Can you please check your raw data for rs9785971?

No SNPs matching 'rs9785971' found in the data from your chip.
http://imgur.com/0l3lyeA

zarkusa
02-02-2016, 12:16 PM
No SNPs matching 'rs9785971' found in the data from your chip.
http://imgur.com/0l3lyeA

OK, thanks :)
you haven't been tested for rs9785971=L23 (it's not on v 4 chip)

23am continues to surprise me

Romilius
02-02-2016, 04:25 PM
Thanks.So basically my R1b could have been here since the time they reached eastern europe,no need to think about recent migrations?

The answer lies both in a genetic and in a documental research: you could research your ancestors via documents and then verify your genetic ancestry.

Joe B
02-02-2016, 04:38 PM
Hi everyone!
I've been researching R1b since I got my 23andme results because as a eastern european from Slovakia with a typical Slavic name it seemed a little weird to me but now I'm even more confused than ever. 23andme identified me as R1b1b2a(M269+,l49+ but l23-).As I seem to realize this isnt the western variant of R1b but I cant really grasp where is it from either as in this region R1b comes mostly from the Germans who settled here but they carry the western variants.Could you guys enlighten me a little bit?Sorry if the question sounds dumb but I'm really no expert at this:)
Thanks!
Hello Koppany and welcome to Anthrogenica,
You most likely belong to one of the branches handled by the R1b-M269 (P312- U106-) DNA Project (aka ht35 Project) at FTDNA or Group − R1b-M343 (xP312 xU106) at YFull. 23andme's results for SNPs L23 and L49 have been a problem and they use a very old phylogenetic haplotree too. The SNPs that you tested negative for that are more telling. If you are serious about your Y DNA lineage you will need STR and SNP testing.
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/ht-3-5new/about/background
http://www.yfull.com/groups/r1b-M342-xp312-xu106/
L23EE Type modal discovered by Anthrogenica member lgmayka is a strong possibility. Got to test to find out.
The L23EE Type modal found by Anthrogenica member lgmayka is a strong possibility for Slovakia. R1b-M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106>Z2109>CTS7822>CTS9219>Y5587
http://isogg.org/wiki/Y-DNA_SNP_testing_chart
http://isogg.org/wiki/Y-DNA_STR_testing_chart
The most advanced testing is Next generation sequencing (NGS) from Full Genomes Corporation, Inc. or Family Tree DNA.
https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/y-dna-testing/big-y/
https://www.fullgenomes.com/
We need your Y haplotype from Slovakia and hope you do more testing.