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Tjada
02-02-2016, 09:17 PM
Hi all,

Just out of curiosity, are there any others with significant percentage Oceanian dna?
I'm Moluccan by ethnicity, from the Maluku Islands.
My Ydna at 23andme is: C2* (C1b2a - M38)

23andme: 30.05% Oceanian
DNA.LAND: 42.97 Native Oceanian
Dr.Doug McDonald: 43.06% Oceania

GEDMATCH
Eurogenes K9B: 37.14% Oceania
Eurogenes K13: 36.85% Oceania
Eurogenes EUtest: 36.97% Oceania
Eurogenes K36: 38.55% Oceania

DODECAD
World9: 38.04% Australasian

HARAPPA
World: 37.83% Papuan

GEDROSIA
Eurasia K10: 38.45% Papuan

PUNTDNA
K10 ancient: 39.15% Oceanian
K11 ancient: 38.41% Oceanian
K15: 38.01% Oceanian

MDLP
World: 39.30% Papuan
K13Ultimate: 41.18% Oceanian


Greetzzz

BalkanKiwi
02-02-2016, 10:55 PM
Welcome to the forum! :) I have minor Maori ancestry, which is clearly less than yours, but here are some results for comparison anyway.

MDLP K23b

Australoid 0.64%
Melano_Polynesian 0.35%

MDLP World

Melanesian 0.79%

MDLP World 22

Melanesian 0.64%
Austronesian 0.33%

Eurogenes K13

East_Asian 0.51%
Oceanian 1.28%

Eurogenes V2 K15

Oceanian 1.11%

Dodecad World9

Australasian 0.69%

HarappaWorld

Papuan 0.80%

puntDNAL K15

Oceanian 1.60%

puntDNAL K11

Oceanian 1.02%
East_Asian 1.07%

Eurasia K10

Papuan 0.90%

Eurasia K9 ASI

SE_Asian 0.87%

Tjada
02-03-2016, 06:45 AM
Welcome to the forum! :) I have minor Maori ancestry, which is clearly less than yours, but here are some results for comparison anyway.

MDLP K23b

Australoid 0.64%
Melano_Polynesian 0.35%

MDLP World

Melanesian 0.79%

MDLP World 22

Melanesian 0.64%
Austronesian 0.33%

Eurogenes K13

East_Asian 0.51%
Oceanian 1.28%

Eurogenes V2 K15

Oceanian 1.11%

Dodecad World9

Australasian 0.69%

HarappaWorld

Papuan 0.80%

puntDNAL K15

Oceanian 1.60%

puntDNAL K11

Oceanian 1.02%
East_Asian 1.07%

Eurasia K10

Papuan 0.90%

Eurasia K9 ASI

SE_Asian 0.87%

Thanks for posting your results Balkankiwi :)
Always interesting to see!

shazou
02-09-2016, 10:58 PM
Filipino here..

Eurasia K10 CHG: 4.74%
MDLP K13 Ultimate: 4.07%
MDLP World: 4.02%
puntDNAL K15: 3.87%
Dodecad World9: 2.76%
HarappaWorld: 2.48%
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15: 2.37%
Eurogenes K13: 2.30%

I've seen other Filipinos on gedmatch who've gotten as high as 10% Oceanian/Papuan/Melanesian. On 23andme they usually score little to none.

I got 0% on 23andme and FTDNA, but I do get 27% Polynesian on Ancestry.com

On McDonald my dad got:


Most likely fit is 92.0% (+- 0.3%) E. Asia (all Ethnic E. Asian)
and 5.6% (+- 0.2%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
and 2.5% (+- 0.3%) Oceania (all South Pacific)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Dai= 0.923 Jewish= 0.055 Papuan= 0.021 or
Dai= 0.917 Jewish= 0.055 Melanesian= 0.028 or
Dai= 0.924 Sephardic= 0.055 Papuan= 0.021 or
Dai= 0.918 Sephardic= 0.054 Melanesian= 0.028 or
Dai= 0.921 Turkish= 0.058 Papuan= 0.022 or
Dai= 0.915 Turkish= 0.057 Melanesian= 0.028 or
Dai= 0.921 Adygei= 0.057 Papuan= 0.021 or
Dai= 0.925 Cypriot= 0.054 Papuan= 0.021 or
Dai= 0.919 Cypriot= 0.053 Melanesian= 0.028 or
Dai= 0.915 Adygei= 0.057 Melanesian= 0.028

A better custom fit gives

Sephardic 0.0327 Melanesian 0.0135 Dai 0.6674 Malaysian 0.2864 or
Spain 0.0046 South_Han 0.2000 She 0.1446 Malaysian 0.6508 or
Sephardic 0.0041 South_Han 0.1993 She 0.1444 Malaysian 0.6522 or
Jewish 0.0033 South_Han 0.1977 She 0.1443 Malaysian 0.6546


I got none on McDonald

shazou
02-09-2016, 11:05 PM
The ASI in Southeast Asia is supposed to be related to Australoids as well I think. And I usually get between 5-7% of that as well on most gedmatch calculators.

BalkanKiwi
02-09-2016, 11:28 PM
The ASI in Southeast Asia is supposed to be related to Australoids as well I think. And I usually get between 5-7% of that as well on most gedmatch calculators.

I get 0.51% ASI on the Eurasia 9 ASI. I don't know how many Europeans score some. I just assume its probably linked to my Oceanian ancestry in some way.

shazou
02-09-2016, 11:44 PM
I get 0.51% ASI on the Eurasia 9 ASI. I don't know how many Europeans score some. I just assume its probably linked to my Oceanian ancestry in some way.
I know a Samoan who got 4.0% South_Asian on the Eurogenes K13 calculator. The rest of her results were:

69.10% East_Asian
22.99% Oceanian
1.69% Baltic
1.65% Amerindian
0.57% Sub-Saharan

Tjada
02-09-2016, 11:50 PM
Yes I've heard that some Filipino's also score Oceanian.
Maybe because of Mamanwa ancestors?

BalkanKiwi
02-10-2016, 12:10 AM
I know a Samoan who got 4.0% South_Asian on the Eurogenes K13 calculator. The rest of her results were:

69.10% East_Asian
22.99% Oceanian
1.69% Baltic
1.65% Amerindian
0.57% Sub-Saharan

I get 1.08%, but I've seen Scandinavian's get around 2%. Is there any genetic evidence that shows that South Asians migrated into East Asia?

shazou
02-10-2016, 12:10 AM
Yes I've heard that some Filipino's also score Oceanian.
Maybe because of Mamanwa ancestors?
Could be since Negritos carry a Papuan component. Or maybe Austronesians were picking up Papuan genes here and there around Island Southeast Asia over the span of many many years.

I read about the early arrival of Melanesian vegeculture in ISEA in such regions as the Philippines: https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=Cq3GBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA124&lpg=PA124&dq=melanesian+vegeculture&source=bl&ots=c0XdKN5ebA&sig=gGppVHytACSf789scf-kADHwVfM&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=melanesian%20vegeculture&f=false

shazou
02-10-2016, 12:13 AM
I have no idea what a full Philippine Negrito would score on gedmatch though lol.

Tjada
02-10-2016, 12:23 AM
I have no idea what a full Philippine Negrito would score on gedmatch though lol.

That would be very interesting ;)

shazou
02-10-2016, 12:36 AM
That would be very interesting ;)
I actually saw an Aeta guy who was an employee at a bird zoo when I was vacationing in Subic this past year. It was the very first time that I'd ever seen a Negrito IRL before. Subic is home to Aetas, and apparently some of them are employed at zoos and beach resorts there these days. Had the dark African-like skin, kinky hair, short stature, and all. I almost want to go back there and ask him to spit for 23andme but I don't know if he would approve of it.

According to this chart they score some Dravidian, Papuan, and Austronesian component:
http://i.imgur.com/DsQrBfA.jpg

shazou
02-10-2016, 12:44 AM
I get 1.08%, but I've seen Scandinavian's get around 2%. Is there any genetic evidence that shows that South Asians migrated into East Asia?
Here's one about the Aeta Negritos of the Philippines: http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/328467/scitech/science/genetic-study-reveals-some-aetas-and-indians-share-ancient-ancestry

My Y-DNA haplogroup is also 'C' which originates from India.

Tjada
02-10-2016, 01:07 AM
I actually saw an Aeta guy who was an employee at a bird zoo when I was vacationing in Subic this past year. It was the very first time that I'd ever seen a Negrito IRL before. Subic is home to Aetas, and apparently some of them are employed at zoos and beach resorts there these days. Had the dark African-like skin, kinky hair, short stature, and all. I almost want to go back there and ask him to spit for 23andme but I don't know if he would approve of it.

According to this chart they score some Dravidian, Papuan, and Austronesian component:
http://i.imgur.com/DsQrBfA.jpg

Wow, thats interesting! Almost a bit like mine at MDLP K13 ULTIMATE (for me the most accurate calculator I guess):


MDLP K13 'Ultimate' Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 EastAsian 53.53
2 Oceanian 41.18
3 Subsaharian 2.19
4 Siberian 1.98


Finished reading population data. 662 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Lamaholot @ 3.170641
2 Lembata @ 4.201509
3 Manggarai @ 10.321721
4 Tongan @ 14.734627
5 Alorese @ 20.539042
6 Kambera @ 21.990952
7 Mamanwa @ 22.486670
8 Samoan @ 23.478806
9 Ayta @ 24.191895
10 Ati @ 27.065178
11 Agta @ 30.416805
12 Negrito_Kensiu @ 33.732895
13 Negrito_Jehai @ 35.384251
14 Iraya @ 38.075306
15 Australian-Aborigin @ 42.555626
16 Garo @ 43.496140
17 Burmese @ 44.191513
18 Khmer_Cambodian @ 44.276779
19 Khasi @ 44.418861
20 Paluang @ 44.711525

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1. 62.3% Minanubu_Manobo + 37.7% Koinanbe @ 1.02
2. 63.5% Minanubu_Manobo + 36.5% Papuan @ 1.16
3. 53.3% Alorese + 46.7% Samoan @ 1.27
4. 58.4% Tongan + 41.6% Alorese @ 1.3
5. 52.9% Minanubu_Manobo + 47.1% Melanesians_Naasioi @ 1.4
6. 54.6% Minanubu_Manobo + 45.4% Bougainville @ 1.42
7. 69.2% Alorese + 30.8% Minanubu_Manobo @ 1.42
8. 83.6% Tongan + 16.4% Kosipe @ 1.56
9. 76.1% Samoan + 23.9% Kosipe @ 1.61
10. 83.9% Tongan + 16.1% Koinanbe @ 1.68
11. 84.6% Tongan + 15.4% Papuan @ 1.69
12. 61.8% Minanubu_Manobo + 38.2% Kosipe @ 1.72
13. 78% Tongan + 22% Melanesians_Naasioi @ 1.72
14. 73.4% Alorese + 26.6% Murut @ 1.8
15. 79.2% Tongan + 20.8% Bougainville @ 1.8
16. 72.6% Alorese + 27.4% Filipino_Ilocano @ 1.85
17 72.3% Alorese + 27.7% Mentawai @ 1.86
18. 73.4% Alorese + 26.6% Jiamao @ 1.92
19. 53.3% Filipino_Visaya_Chabakano + 46.7% Bougainville @1.92
20. 77.4% Samoan + 22.6% Papuan @1.94


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Alorese +50% Samoan @ 1.904330


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Alorese +25% Samoan +25% Tongan @ 1.418321


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Koinanbe + Minanubu_Manobo + Tongan + Tongan @ 1.148610
2 Kosipe + Minanubu_Manobo + Tongan + Tongan @ 1.267774
3 Manggarai + Minanubu_Manobo + Papuan + Samoan @ 1.300097
4 Alorese + Melanesians_Naasioi + Minanubu_Manobo + Samoan @ 1.344913
5 Alorese + Alorese + Samoan + Tongan @ 1.418321
6 Filipino_Visaya_Chabakano + Koinanbe + Tongan + Tongan @ 1.485097
7 Koinanbe + Manggarai + Minanubu_Manobo + Samoan @ 1.491159
8 Alorese + Filipino_Ilocano + Minanubu_Manobo + Papuan @ 1.517378
9 Alorese + Filipino_Visaya_Chabakano + Melanesians_Naasioi + Samoan @ 1.519400
10 Alorese + Filipino_Tagalog + Koinanbe + Minanubu_Manobo @ 1.546807
11 Alorese + Koinanbe + Minanubu_Manobo + Minanubu_Manobo @ 1.549031
12 Filipino_Visaya_Chabakano + Papuan + Tongan + Tongan @ 1.554327
13 Alorese + Mentawai + Minanubu_Manobo + Papuan @ 1.562574
14 Alorese + Minanubu_Manobo + Papuan + Tai_Khuen @ 1.573794
15 Alorese + Minanubu_Manobo + Murut + Papuan @ 1.576503
16 Bougainville + Manggarai + Samoan + Samoan @ 1.582068
17 Alorese + Koinanbe + Mentawai + Minanubu_Manobo @ 1.588193
18 Bougainville + Lembata + Minanubu_Manobo + Tongan @ 1.628498
19 Minanubu_Manobo + Papuan + Tongan + Tongan @ 1.632248
20 Kambera + Koinanbe + Manggarai + Minanubu_Manobo @ 1.636846

Tjada
02-10-2016, 02:13 PM
And this is the result I have from Dr. DougMcDonald;


Most likely fit is 30.9% (+- 0.2%) E. Asia (all Ethnic E. Asian)
and 25.5% (+- 5.9%) E. Asia (all Southeast Asia)
which is 56.4% total E. Asia
and 43.6% (+- 6.1%) Oceania (all South Pacific)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Dai= 0.306 Malaysian= 0.200 Melanesian= 0.494 or
Dai= 0.308 Cambodian= 0.191 Melanesian= 0.501 or
Dai= 0.311 Malaysian= 0.318 Papuan= 0.372 or
Dai= 0.311 Cambodian= 0.309 Papuan= 0.379

A different analysis method (the graph with bars) says you fit Papuan better than Melanesian.

Don Felipe
02-13-2016, 01:05 AM
23andme: 30.05% Oceanian



Welkom! Great to have a Molukker on board :biggrin1:

Below is a screenshot of the 23andme results of a person who's from Guam, it shows the highest Oceanian i've seen sofar (besides yours). The second one is from a person who's likely to be half Papuan and also partially Italian. Intriguingly he also shows a considerable South Asian score. Not sure if it's recent but it probably is as you only show a trace amount of it. Similar to you his Papuan half might be described strictly by a combination of Southeast Asian and Oceanian. But for him it's more so in balanced 50/50 proportions. The last three ones are DNA cousins of mine from Hawaii (by way of my Cape Verdean side (http://kaorijoy.tumblr.com/post/16676946669/portuguesehawaii-cape-verdeans-the-forgotten)), they are obviously quite mixed but still show a hefty amount of Oceanian.

This should tell you something about the distribution of this ancestral component. I don't think it's capturing strictly Melanesian/Papuan origins, as it also appears on Polynesians. Then again they could have absorbed some Melanesian/Papuan like ancestry many centuries ago i suppose. I also have seen a few 23andme results from Java and Sumatra, interestingly sofar they all come out with zero Oceanian. Which should be valid enough when taking into consideration only a genealogical timeframe of about 500 years. On the Ged-match calculators it might be different as also deep ancestry from more ancient times will be reflected.

These are the samples used to define socalled Oceanian on 23andme btw.


Oceanian
Oceania, including indigenous peoples of Papua New Guinea and Melanesia, was inhabited tens of thousands of years ago by early seafaring people.

Population Source Sample Size
Nan Melanesian HGDP 19
Papuan HGDP 17
Tonga 23andMe 2
Palau 23andMe 1


Guam

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Guam_zpswdcnsx4b.jpg~original





Papuan (mixed with Italian and Indian?)

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Papua%20halfie_zpsbfbwvq31.jpg~original



Hawaian (Hapa's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapa), but including native Hawaian)

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Pacific/HawaiTH_zps873fec82.jpg~original


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http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Pacific/HawaiBH_zpsa850b45b.jpg~original


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http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Pacific/HawaiCM_zps19a72fc4.jpg~original

BalkanKiwi
02-13-2016, 01:36 AM
Welkom! Great to have a Molukker on board :biggrin1:

Below is a screenshot of the 23andme results of a person who's from Guam, it shows the highest Oceanian i've seen sofar (besides yours). The second one is from a person who's half Papuan and half Italian. Intriguingly he also shows a considerable South Asian score. Not sure if it's recent but it probably is as you only show a trace amount of it. Similar to you his Papuan half might be described strictly by a combination of Southeast Asian and Oceanian. The last three ones are DNA cousins of mine from Hawaii (by way of my Cape Verdean side (http://kaorijoy.tumblr.com/post/16676946669/portuguesehawaii-cape-verdeans-the-forgotten)), they are obviously quite mixed but still show a hefty amount of Oceanian.

This should tell you something about the distribution of this ancestral component. I don't think it's capturing strictly Melanesian/Papuan origins, as it also appears on Polynesians. Then again they could have some absorbed some Melanesian/Papuan like ancestry many centuries ago i suppose. I also have seen a few 23andme results from Java and Sumatra, interestingly sofar they all come out with zero Oceanian.

These are the samples used to define socalled Oceanian on 23andme btw.




Guam

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Guam_zpswdcnsx4b.jpg~original





Papuan (mixed with Italian and Indian?)

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Papua%20halfie_zpsbfbwvq31.jpg~original



Hawaian (Hapa's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapa), but including native Hawaian)

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Pacific/HawaiTH_zps873fec82.jpg~original


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http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Pacific/HawaiBH_zpsa850b45b.jpg~original


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http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Pacific/HawaiCM_zps19a72fc4.jpg~original

The half Papuan half Italian results are quite interesting. I haven't seen that combination before.

Tjada
02-13-2016, 08:11 AM
This should tell you something about the distribution of this ancestral component. I don't think it's capturing strictly Melanesian/Papuan origins, as it also appears on Polynesians. Then again they could have absorbed some Melanesian/Papuan like ancestry many centuries ago i suppose.

Hey, Mister Cabo, good to see you here ;)

Very very interesting results!

About the distribution of this ancestral component; take a look at this presentation.
It's from a friend of mine, who is Hawai'ian and also project administrator for the Polynesian DNA project at FTDNA.com.

http://share.snacktools.com/9DA8656569B/b7hnl1zg

Greets T

BalkanKiwi
02-13-2016, 09:30 AM
Hey, Mister Cabo, good to see you here ;)

Very very interesting results!

About the distribution of this ancestral component; take a look at this presentation.
It's from a friend of mine, who is Hawai'ian and also project administrator for the Polynesian DNA project at FTDNA.com.

http://share.snacktools.com/9DA8656569B/b7hnl1zg

Greets T

I've seen this PowerPoint before. It does s great job on showing the interconnectivity of Southeast Asia and Oceania.

Tjada
02-13-2016, 09:51 AM
I've seen this PowerPoint before. It does s great job on showing the interconnectivity of Southeast Asia and Oceania.

Hey fellow Oceanian ;)

He also made a spreadsheet from people with there percentages Oceania. With there ethnicity. The one's in bold are at least 90 or 95% polynesians.
I am the one in green at the bottom :) also interesting to take a look at.

7742

BalkanKiwi
02-13-2016, 09:55 AM
Hey fellow Oceanian ;)

He also made a spreadsheet from people with there percentages Oceania. With there ethnicity. The one's in bold are at least 90 or 95% polynesians.
I am the one in green at the bottom :) also interesting to take a look at.

7742

It's a great chart. Kalani does a lot of good work for the Polynesian project.

Tjada
02-13-2016, 09:59 AM
It's a great chart. Kalani does a lot of good work for the Polynesian project.

Yeah he is soooo very good and clear at his work!

Don Felipe
02-13-2016, 03:41 PM
About the distribution of this ancestral component; take a look at this presentation.
It's from a friend of mine, who is Hawai'ian and also project administrator for the Polynesian DNA project at FTDNA.com.

http://share.snacktools.com/9DA8656569B/b7hnl1zg

Greets T


Great presentation! Oceanian genetics have always been very fascinating to me because of this gradient of Polynesian/Austronesian and Melanesian influences to be found all over the region i suppose. Very remarkable how DNA testing is now bringing these connections to light. He mentions something about eastern Polynesians being less genetically diverse than western ones. And also that the Maori and the Hawaians are sharing a great deal of DNA segments despite the distance, because of their particular migration trajectories and a series of founder effects.

It makes me wonder if anything similar will be found among Moluccans and their surrounding neighbours in eastern Indonesia. Although i suspect the population history of Moluccans might be more ancient and therefore also more complex (not that I actually have read that much about it ;))

Which islands/islandgroups do you consider to be closest to Maluku within Indonesia, not per se geographically or even culturally but just based on suspected ancestral links. And which island groups would you expect to be showing the greatest genetic similarity with Maluku, further east within Melanesia/Polynesia?






The half Papuan half Italian results are quite interesting. I haven't seen that combination before.

He's actually not exactly half Italian as his results also show quite a bit of South Asian and judging from his family names there might also be some partial German and Portuguese. It all makes for a very unique mix indeed.

Tjada
02-13-2016, 04:53 PM
It makes me wonder if anything similar will be found among Moluccans and their surrounding neighbours in eastern Indonesia. Although i suspect the population history of Moluccans might be more ancient and therefore also more complex (not that I actually have read that much about it ;))

Which islands/islandgroups do you consider to be closest to Maluku within Indonesia, not per se geographically or even culturally but just based on suspected ancestral links. And which island groups would you expect to be showing the greatest genetic similarity with Maluku, further east within Melanesia/Polynesia?


I think that the other Islands of the Wallacea area are quite similair to ours? Like Alor, Nusa Tenggara, Timor etc.
If you look at the distribution of the Y-dna of these islands.
My paternal haplogroup is C2-M38.



Maybe this can be usefull:

7750


And another map:

7749



Melanesian origins of Y-chromosome gradients across the pacific (Mol = Moluccas):

7751

Tjada
02-13-2016, 05:20 PM
Also interesting to read; because of the Maluku islands..

http://www.kiribatistories.com/a-brief-history/

Don Felipe
02-14-2016, 06:34 PM
My paternal haplogroup is C2-M38.

Woah, your Y-DNA seems to be very useful in pinpointing your origins, even when it's only a small part of your total ancestry. Is it the same way with your maternal haplogroup or does it show a wider distribution?


Also interesting to read; because of the Maluku islands..

http://www.kiribatistories.com/a-brief-history/

Thanks a lot! I never knew. I had to google Kiribati people right away to see if they resemble the Moluccans i know :biggrin1: I found this quote very interesting:


History tells us that the first inhabitants of Kiribati came from the west (Indonesia), specifically from four islands of the Maluku Islands – Halmahera (Kiroro), Buru (Bouru), Seram (Neineaba) and Waigeo (Makaiao), the land of the giants. The names in brackets are traditional Kiribati names of those Islands.

Do you recognize those island names the Kiribati still remember, especially the one for Seram: Neineaba?

I actually happen to have a DNA cousin who is partially from Kiribati B) It is again by way of my Cape Verdean side, distant CV relatives of mine who sailed to the Pacific as whalers in the late 1800's and intermarried with locals. As you can see he has almost 2% West African, quite diluted but still testimony of his CV connection. He is mostly European otherwise. His great great grandmother however was from the Gilbert Islands (Kiribati), Butaritari. So that would be 1/16 or 6,25%. I'm guessing this would be the source for his 2,3% Oceanian. He does also have distant Chinese ancestry though.

Partially Kiribati


http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/KIWI%20KIRIBATI%20-_zpsrh1e28ld.jpg~original

Tjada
02-14-2016, 07:53 PM
Woah, your Y-DNA seems to be very useful in pinpointing your origins, even when it's only a small part of your total ancestry. Is it the same way with your maternal haplogroup or does it show a wider distribution?


My Ydna is so usefull to others and myself. It proves the connection/boundaries between Maluku and Papua/Melanesia.
That the indigenous people of Maluku are indeed of Melanesian/Papuan stock.

Well, my mtDNA at 23andme is M42. But I wasn't satisfied with "just being M42", without any mutations. So I used James Lick's utility to take a deeper look at my mtDNA. And clearly James Lick's utility and the tree at phylptree.org are much more up-to-date than 23andme.

It turned out that my mtDNA was M74B1, a subgroup from the root mtdna M42'74.

mtDNA M42’74
M42 in Australia, and in the Munda-speaking people of India. That may indicate a movement from India to Australia.
M74 is found between the two M42 extremes: in South China, Hainan and Vietnam. The haplogroup as a whole looks to have originated and expanded from some middle region, not from either end. But M74 is also found in the Philippines, the Mamanwa people.




Do you recognize those island names the Kiribati still remember, especially the one for Seram: Neineaba?

I do recognize the island names the Kiribati still remember :) Seram - Neineaba.. Seram in our language is Nusa-ina...



I actually happen to have a DNA cousin who is partially from Kiribati B) It is again by way of my Cape Verdean side, distant relatives of mine who sailed to the Pacific as whalers in the late 1800's and intermarried with locals. As you can see he has almost 1,9% West African, quite diluted but still testimony of his CV connection. He is mostly European otherwise. His great great grandmother however was from the Gilbert Islands (Kiribati), Butaritari. So that would be 1/16 or 6,25%. I'm guessing this would be the source for his 2,3% Oceanian. He does also have distant Chinese ancestry though.


Wow, I think you have a multi culti famlily. Good to see that the CV is still showing up at his DNA, also the Oceanian part! Btw the link about Hapa's? Very interesting. Thanks for sharing! Such a rich family history you have man!

Tjada
02-14-2016, 10:35 PM
I forgot to post this earlier;

A graphic bar that was sent to me from Dr. Doug Mc.Donald;

7775

BalkanKiwi
02-16-2016, 01:43 AM
If anything, all this info shows us how connected Southeast Asia and the pacific countries are, even after thousands of years.

jortita
04-18-2016, 09:49 AM
My Oceanian related percentages:

Dodecad World 9

Australasian 1.78

Eurogenes K 13
Oceanian 1.81

Eurogenes K36
Oceanian 1.24

EurogenesV2K15
Oceanian 1.67

Gedrosia Eurasia K14
Papuan 2.99

Harappa World
Papuan 1.5

MDLP World
Melanesian 2.31

MDLP K23b
Australoid 1.99

MDLP K13
Oceanian 2.23

PuntDNAL K15
Oceanian 2.51

MDLP K27b
Papuan 2.44
Melanesian 0.25

MDLP k14 world
3.77% Papuan

MDLP k18
1.96% Melano-Austronesian

BalkanKiwi
04-18-2016, 09:55 AM
My Oceanian related percentages:

Dodecad World 9

Australasian 1.78

Eurogenes K 13
Oceanian 1.81

Eurogenes K36
Oceanian 1.24

EurogenesV2K15
Oceanian 1.67

Gedrosia Eurasia K14
Papuan 2.99

Harappa World
Papuan 1.5

MDLP World
Melanesian 2.31

MDLP K23b
Australoid 1.99

MDLP K13
Oceanian 2.23

PuntDNAL K15
Oceanian 2.51

MDLP K27b
Papuan 2.44
Melanesian 0.25

MDLP k14 world
3.77% Papuan

MDLP k18
1.96% Melano-Austronesian

Probably a good example of the mixing that occurred between Indians and Polynesian's/Southeast Asian's.

jortita
04-18-2016, 10:05 AM
Probably a good example of the mixing that occurred between Indians and Polynesian's/Southeast Asian's.

Hi Balkan Kiwi, I am from NE India and part of my heritage is Mon Khmer and also Daiic which have melanesian and austronesian elements

jortita
04-18-2016, 10:07 AM
My austronesian percentage on k27b is 6.49%

BalkanKiwi
04-18-2016, 10:26 AM
I score varying amounts of South Asian/ASI on various calculators. I assume these are linked to my minor Polynesian/Southeast Asian ancestry. An example below.

Eurasia K9 ASI

SE_Asian 0.87
Ancestral_South_Indian 0.51

Tjada
04-19-2016, 08:45 AM
I score varying amounts of South Asian/ASI on various calculators. I assume these are linked to my minor Polynesian/Southeast Asian ancestry. An example below.

Eurasia K9 ASI

SE_Asian 0.87
Ancestral_South_Indian 0.51

With my ethnicity, I think MDLP K23b & MDLP World are good calculators.

MDLP K23b:

# Population Percent
1 Austronesian 36.38
2 Australoid 33.65
3 South_East_Asian 15.14
4 Melano_Polynesian 9.02
5 South_Indian 2.62
6 Tungus-Altaic 2.59
7 Archaic_African 0.6

MDLP World:

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 53.35
2 Melanesian 39.3
3 Indian 5.92
4 North_Asian 0.97
5 Paleo_African 0.28
6 Mesoamerican 0.19

And just to compare with your results from K9 ASI;

# Population Percent
1 SE_Asian 59.77
2 Ancestral_South_Indian 15.83
3 Siberian_E_Asian 8.9
4 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 8.72
5 W_African 3.34
6 SW_Asian 1.84
7 WHG 1.6

jortita
04-19-2016, 09:22 AM
With my ethnicity, I think MDLP K23b & MDLP World are good calculators.

MDLP K23b:

# Population Percent
1 Austronesian 36.38
2 Australoid 33.65
3 South_East_Asian 15.14
4 Melano_Polynesian 9.02
5 South_Indian 2.62
6 Tungus-Altaic 2.59
7 Archaic_African 0.6

MDLP World:

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 53.35
2 Melanesian 39.3
3 Indian 5.92
4 North_Asian 0.97
5 Paleo_African 0.28
6 Mesoamerican 0.19

And just to compare with your results from K9 ASI;

# Population Percent
1 SE_Asian 59.77
2 Ancestral_South_Indian 15.83
3 Siberian_E_Asian 8.9
4 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 8.72
5 W_African 3.34
6 SW_Asian 1.84
7 WHG 1.6

I score Austronesian 3.78 on k23b

jortita
04-19-2016, 09:26 AM
My k23b results

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Indian 39.95
2 South_Central_Asian 22.11
3 South_East_Asian 10.26
4 Caucasian 7.66
5 Tungus-Altaic 4.86
6 Austronesian 3.78
7 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.26
8 Ancestral_Altaic 2.88
9 Australoid 1.99
10 North_African 1.71
11 Arctic 0.66
12 Paleo_Siberian 0.42
13 East_Siberian 0.28
14 European_Early_Farmers 0.17

BalkanKiwi
04-19-2016, 09:36 AM
My thread relevant percentages.

MDLP K23b FTDNA

Australoid 0.64
Melano_Polynesian 0.35

MDLP K23b 23andMe

Australoid 0.90
Melano_Polynesian 0.12
South_East_Asian 0.54

MDLP World 23andMe

Indian 1.48
Melanesian 0.58

MDLP World FTDNA

Indian 1.75
Melanesian 0.79

Tjada
04-19-2016, 10:03 AM
I could be wrong but I think the Austro Asiatic/Tribals from India are also linked in some kind of way to the Melanesians...

My results
8927

According to dnatribes I match to the Garo and Khasi People in North East India and some other tribes in East India...

jortita
04-20-2016, 06:06 AM
I could be wrong but I think the Austro Asiatic/Tribals from India are also linked in some kind of way to the Melanesians...

My results
8927

According to dnatribes I match to the Garo and Khasi People in North East India and some other tribes in East India...

That is interesting and it makes sense given ancestrally Khasis are austro-asiatic and similar to other Central Indian tribes like Gond, Kharia and others. However, due to recent admixture they look very different and infact very similar to people in Central Thailand of mixed Mon and Khmer origin. Whereas the Garos are more Tibeto Burmese and resemble other Tibeto Burmese ethnic communities

shazou
04-29-2016, 01:23 AM
With my ethnicity, I think MDLP K23b & MDLP World are good calculators.
And just to compare with your results from K9 ASI;

# Population Percent
1 SE_Asian 59.77
2 Ancestral_South_Indian 15.83
3 Siberian_E_Asian 8.9
4 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 8.72
5 W_African 3.34
6 SW_Asian 1.84
7 WHG 1.6
A large part of your Papuan/Melanesian ancestry went into the Ancestral_South_Indian component (that 15.83%), because pure South Indian falls into the Australoid category according to many anthropologists and even with genetics part of your Papuan went into the South Indian category because of a close genetic distance. I think part of your Papuan went into the W_African component as well since Papuans carry a partial Archaic African element. The rest of your Papuan went into the SE_Asian category etc. The K9 ASI calculator didn't have a Papuan category so it matched you with your next best component(s) besides Papuan. I'm not really sure why you got WHG and SW_Asian etc though.

Tjada
04-29-2016, 07:44 AM
A large part of your Papuan/Melanesian ancestry went into the Ancestral_South_Indian component (that 15.83%), because pure South Indian falls into the Australoid category according to many anthropologists and even with genetics part of your Papuan went into the South Indian category because of a close genetic distance. I think part of your Papuan went into the W_African component as well since Papuans carry a partial Archaic African element. The rest of your Papuan went into the SE_Asian category etc. The K9 ASI calculator didn't have a Papuan category so it matched you with your next best component(s) besides Papuan. I'm not really sure why you got WHG and SW_Asian etc though.

Yes, at several gedmatch calculators I have around 5% ASI. Interesting... At wegene I have 15% South Asian, cause they have no Oceania yet... 23andme gives me 0.1 South Asian, speculative and standard.

shazou
04-29-2016, 10:54 PM
Yes, at several gedmatch calculators I have around 5% ASI. Interesting... At wegene I have 15% South Asian, cause they have no Oceania yet... 23andme gives me 0.1 South Asian, speculative and standard.
I wonder what kind of results you would get on the Ancestry.com test; it would be interesting. You haven't does that test yet right?...For the Pacific-Islander category they have both a Melanesia and Polynesia sub-region. I got 27% Polynesia but no Melanesia :)

Tjada
04-30-2016, 08:17 AM
I wonder what kind of results you would get on the Ancestry.com test; it would be interesting. You haven't does that test yet right?...For the Pacific-Islander category they have both a Melanesia and Polynesia sub-region. I got 27% Polynesia but no Melanesia :)

Yeah, I actually recently did the test on Ancestry.com. Because they don't ship to the Netherlands yet, a friend of mine in the US had ordered the kit for me. He sent it to the Netherlands & I returned it back to the US. It arrived at the lab on 04/19/2016.. Now I'm waiting for my results :)

Interesting your 27% Polynesia!

At DNA.TRIBES I have 34.1% Melanesia & 17.9% Polynesia.

CrazyDaisy
06-06-2016, 09:48 PM
My Oceanian related percentages:

Dodecad World 9

Australasian 1.78 1.44

Eurogenes K 13
Oceanian 1.81 1.97

Eurogenes K36
Oceanian 1.24 1.74

EurogenesV2K15
Oceanian 1.67 1.79

Gedrosia Eurasia K14
Papuan 2.99 1.98

Harappa World
Papuan 1.5 1.77

MDLP World
Melanesian 2.31 0.96

MDLP K23b
Australoid 1.99 1.73

MDLP K13
Oceanian 2.23 1.53

PuntDNAL K15
Oceanian 2.51 1.92

MDLP K27b
Papuan 2.44
Melanesian 0.25

MDLP k14 world
3.77% Papuan

MDLP k18
1.96% Melano-Austronesian
I'm mainly Ecuadorian and I have somewhat similar results. I wonder if they're mixing it up with my Native American side or if it's real. I'm also 2.4% Amazonian and 1.5% Native Oceanian on DNAland, but I'm not sure if that's correct or not. Interestingly Ecuadorians don't score as high as I do on Oceanian.

jortita
06-07-2016, 12:58 AM
I'm mainly Ecuadorian and I have somewhat similar results. I wonder if they're mixing it up with my Native American side or if it's real. I'm also 2.4% Amazonian and 1.5% Native Oceanian on DNAland, but I'm not sure if that's correct or not. Interestingly Ecuadorians don't score as high as I do on Oceanian.

Thank you for sharing, I am Assamese, mix of South Asian and East Asian from the Northeastern most part of India bordering Myanmar and Bhutan and China. Its interesting that you are Ecuadorian, I have on many occasions been mistaken for Ecuadorian including by Ecuadorians

CrazyDaisy
06-07-2016, 03:20 AM
Thank you for sharing, I am Assamese, mix of South Asian and East Asian from the Northeastern most part of India bordering Myanmar and Bhutan and China. Its interesting that you are Ecuadorian, I have on many occasions been mistaken for Ecuadorian including by Ecuadorians

Interesting. What situation made people mistake you for Ecuadorian? Were you in Ecuador? My sister gets mistaken for Indian and Middle Eastern. I get mistaken for Russian/white most of the time and one person thought I was Bhutanese.

khanabadoshi
06-16-2016, 01:19 PM
Thank you for sharing, I am Assamese, mix of South Asian and East Asian from the Northeastern most part of India bordering Myanmar and Bhutan and China. Its interesting that you are Ecuadorian, I have on many occasions been mistaken for Ecuadorian including by Ecuadorians

How similar are the Assamese to the Bhutanese? Some Bhutani and Nepalese come to Pakistan to study, and I was friends with a few. It seems a decent amount of Bhutanese are in Nepal and a lot of Bhutanese can speak Nepali? If I were to somehow test my Bhutanese friend, would you guys be similar?

pegasus
06-16-2016, 04:43 PM
Assamese are more SE Asian shifted versions of Bengalis/Bangladeshis generally speaking from what I have seen.
I have a friend who works with me who is from Bhutan. The are basically ethnic Tibetans, but there is a large population of ethnic Nepalis who live in Bhutan as well based from what he told me.

jortita
06-17-2016, 02:14 AM
The Bhutanese are quite ethnically diverse, they are a mix of groups closer to Tibetans, Southeast Asians and Indo-Aryan primarily Nepali Brahmin> extract from wikipage on ethnic groups

Ngalop[edit]
The Ngalop (meaning "earliest risen" or "first converted" according to folk etymology[2]) are people of Tibetan origin who migrated to Bhutan as early as the ninth century. For this reason, they are often referred to in literature as "Bhote" (people of Bhutia/Bhotia or Tibet). The Ngalop introduced Tibetan culture and Buddhism to Bhutan and comprised the dominant political and cultural element in modern Bhutan. Their language, Dzongkha, is the national language and is descended from Old Tibetan. The Ngalop are dominant in western and northern Bhutan, including Thimphu and the Dzongkha-speaking region.[1] The term Ngalop may subsume several related linguistic and cultural groups, such as the Kheng people and speakers of Bumthang language.

Sharchop[edit]
The Sharchop (meaning "easterner"), are the populations of mixed Tibetan and Southeast Asian descent that mostly live in the eastern districts of Bhutan. Van Driem (1993) indicates the Sharchop and closely related aboriginal Monpa (Menba) are descendants of the plurality ethnicity of Bhutan and the principal pre-Tibetan (pre-Dzongkha) people of that country.[2][3] The Sharchop comprise most of the population of eastern Bhutan. Although long the biggest single ethnic group in Bhutan, the Sharchop have been largely assimilated into the Tibetan-Ngalop culture.[1] Most Sharchop speak Tshangla, a Tibeto-Burman language.[4] Because of their proximity to India, some speak Assamese or Hindi. They traditionally practice slash-and-burn and tsheri agriculture, planting dry rice crops for three or four years until the soil is exhausted and then moving on,[1] however the practice has been officially banned since 1969.[5][6]

hotshampa[edit]
The remaining population are the Lhotshampa (meaning "southerners"), mostly of Nepalese origin. Officially, the government stated that 28 percent of the national population was Nepalese in the late 1980s, however unofficial estimates ran as high as 30 to 40 percent, and Nepalese were estimated to constitute a majority in southern Bhutan. The number of legal permanent Nepalese residents in the late 1980s may have been as few as 15 percent of the total Lhotshampa population, however. The first small groups of Nepalese, the most recent major groups to arrive in Bhutan, emigrated primarily from eastern Nepal under Anglo-Indian auspices in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Mostly Hindus, the Nepalese settled in the southern foothills. The Lhotshampa are generally classified as Hindus. However, this is an oversimplification as many groups that include the Tamang and the Gurung are largely Buddhist;[8] the Kiranti groups that include the Rai and Limbu are largely animist followers of Mundhum (these latter groups are mainly found in eastern Bhutan). Whether they are Hindu or Tibetan Buddhist, most of them abstain from beef, notably those belonging to the orthodox classes who are vegetarians. Their main festivals include Dashain and Tihar, a festival superficially similar to the Indian Diwali.

Indigenous and tribal groups[edit]
Small aboriginal or indigenous tribal peoples live in scattered villages throughout Bhutan. Culturally and linguistically part of the populations of West Bengal or Assam, they embrace the Hindu system of endogamous groups ranked by hierarchy and practice wet-rice and dry-rice agriculture. They include the Brokpa, Lepcha, and Doya tribes as well as the descendants of slaves who were brought to Bhutan from similar tribal areas in India. The ex-slave communities tended to be near traditional population centers because it was there that they had been pressed into service to the state. Together, the Ngalop, Sharchop, and tribal groups constituted up to 72 percent of the population in the late 1980s according to official Bhutanese statistics.[1] The CIA Factbook, however, estimates Ngalop and Sharchop populations together to total about 50 percent, with indigenous and migrant tribes constituting 15 percent – or 65 percent altogether.[7]

jortita
06-17-2016, 02:15 AM
People think I am Bhutanese as I look very Newar, which is a mixed Nepalese ethnic group

jortita
06-17-2016, 02:16 AM
Bhutan, y dna haplogroups chart, very diverse, https://sites.google.com/site/haplo4862/country-national-haplogroup-chart-dna/bermuda, link says Bermuda but the info is for Bhutan

khanabadoshi
06-17-2016, 04:43 AM
Bhutan, y dna haplogroups chart, very diverse, https://sites.google.com/site/haplo4862/country-national-haplogroup-chart-dna/bermuda, link says Bermuda but the info is for Bhutan

Thanks a lot! Very informative. The gentleman I know, his family name is Penjor (at least that was his surname)... maybe that will give you a clue as to which ethnic group in Bhutan he maybe from? He could speak Nepali but I believe his mother tongue was Dzongkha.

jortita
06-17-2016, 09:22 AM
Thanks a lot! Very informative. The gentleman I know, his family name is Penjor (at least that was his surname)... maybe that will give you a clue as to which ethnic group in Bhutan he maybe from? He could speak Nepali but I believe his mother tongue was Dzongkha.

He is probablt Ngalop, the dominant group, people of Tibetan origin whose mother tongue is Dzongkha

Reza
06-22-2016, 04:39 AM
People think I am Bhutanese as I look very Newar, which is a mixed Nepalese ethnic group

Alot of Bangladeshis I've come across have quite prominent E Asian features but I do notice that it's 1) probably more subtle in keeping with the amount of admixture but 2) it's a different type of look to the Nepalese.

Are the Nepalese more NE Asian influenced than SE? How do Tibetans score?

jortita
06-22-2016, 12:39 PM
Alot of Bangladeshis I've come across have quite prominent E Asian features but I do notice that it's 1) probably more subtle in keeping with the amount of admixture but 2) it's a different type of look to the Nepalese.

Are the Nepalese more NE Asian influenced than SE? How do Tibetans score?

A calculator which helps understand these differences is MDLP k27 as it has both Tibeto-Burman and Austronesian, Tibetans score very high in terms of Tibeto-Burman and little or no Austronesian. I would suggest you look at the averages spreadsheet for the calculator. Have you generated your own MDLP k27 results? I am curious to see your results as well

BalkanKiwi
07-08-2016, 12:43 AM
I've gone and changed the name of the thread to suit the content in it. Out of interest, here is a comparison of the DIY SE Asian and Papuan to GEDMatch's results on Kurd's new calculator. A slight increase in Papuan on GEDMatch compared to DIY. As usual it's higher than my SE Asian.

DIY




FTDNA

0.70% SE_ASIAN
1.25% PAPUAN

23andMe

0.31% SE_ASIAN
1.58% PAPUAN



GEDMatch




FTDNA

SE_ASIAN 0.71
PAPUAN 1.25

23andMe

SE_ASIAN 0.40
PAPUAN 1.64

Jesse1961
11-14-2016, 03:19 AM
Yes I've heard that some Filipino's also score Oceanian.
Maybe because of Mamanwa ancestors?

I am a Filipino and here's my Eurogenes K13 and K15 results:

K13

North_Atlantic -
Baltic 1.26
West_Med 0.16
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 7.12
East_Asian 80.02
Siberian 2.05
Amerindian 1.30
Oceanian 7.05
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1.04

K15

North_Sea -
Atlantic -
Baltic 0.45
Eastern_Euro -
West_Med 0.47
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 6.88
Southeast_Asian 80.99
Siberian 1.90
Amerindian 1.13
Oceanian 7.08
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1.11

I consistently score 5 to 10% Oceanian in Gedmatch...

BalkanKiwi
11-15-2016, 01:46 AM
I've gone and added South Asian/ASI results to my Oceanian results for various calculators for those that are interested.

MDLP K23b

Australoid 0.64%
Melano_Polynesian 0.35%

MDLP World

Melanesian 0.79%

MDLP World 22

Melanesian 0.64%
Austronesian 0.33%

Eurogenes K13

East_Asian 0.51%
Oceanian 1.28%

Eurogenes V2 K15

Oceanian 1.11%

Dodecad World9

Australasian 0.69%

HarappaWorld

Papuan 0.80%

puntDNAL K15

Oceanian 1.60%
S_Indian 1.21%

puntDNAL K12 Modern

East_Asian 1.42%
Oceanian 0.55%

Eurasia K10

Papuan 0.90%

Eurasia K9 ASI

SE_Asian 0.87%
Ancestral_South_Indian 0.51%

Eurasia K14

S_Indian 2.90%
Papuan 1.08%

Ancient Eurasia K6

Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.30%

jortita
11-15-2016, 09:20 AM
I've gone and added South Asian/ASI results to my Oceanian results for various calculators for those that are interested.

MDLP K23b

Australoid 0.64%
Melano_Polynesian 0.35%

MDLP World

Melanesian 0.79%

MDLP World 22

Melanesian 0.64%
Austronesian 0.33%

Eurogenes K13

East_Asian 0.51%
Oceanian 1.28%

Eurogenes V2 K15

Oceanian 1.11%

Dodecad World9

Australasian 0.69%

HarappaWorld

Papuan 0.80%

puntDNAL K15

Oceanian 1.60%
S_Indian 1.21%

puntDNAL K12 Modern

East_Asian 1.42%
Oceanian 0.55%

Eurasia K10

Papuan 0.90%

Eurasia K9 ASI

SE_Asian 0.87%
Ancestral_South_Indian 0.51%

Eurasia K14

S_Indian 2.90%
Papuan 1.08%

Ancient Eurasia K6

Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.30%

My corresponding results

MDLP K23b
Australoid 1.98

MDLP World
Melanesian 2.47

MDLP World 22
Austronesian 1.92
Melanesian 0.32

Eurogenes K13
Oceanian 1.79

Eurogenes V2K15
Oceanian 1.65

Dodecad World9
Australasian 1.86

Harappa World
Papuan 1.63

puntDNAL K15
Oceanian 2.62

puntDNAL K12 Modern
Oceanian 2.98

Eurasia K10
Papuan 3.03

Eurasia K14
Papuan 3.4

BalkanKiwi
11-16-2016, 10:13 PM
My corresponding results

MDLP K23b
Australoid 1.98

MDLP World
Melanesian 2.47

MDLP World 22
Austronesian 1.92
Melanesian 0.32

Eurogenes K13
Oceanian 1.79

Eurogenes V2K15
Oceanian 1.65

Dodecad World9
Australasian 1.86

Harappa World
Papuan 1.63

puntDNAL K15
Oceanian 2.62

puntDNAL K12 Modern
Oceanian 2.98

Eurasia K10
Papuan 3.03

Eurasia K14
Papuan 3.4

Great stuff! Thanks for sharing. Are these results the average for an Assamese?

jortita
11-17-2016, 12:48 AM
Great stuff! Thanks for sharing. Are these results the average for an Assamese?

Not sure, Balkan Kiwi as I have not come across any other Assamese who have tested

jortita
12-29-2016, 02:42 PM
I am reviving this post as my Oceanian averages in the new MDLP K11 calculator are very high and higher than from both South Asian and Southeast Asian populations close to me: My oceanian average is 2.54 which is higher in the modern population averages context than other austroasiatic South Asian groups as well as Southeast Asian groups, the only ones that have higher oceanian percentages are in descending order: Papuan; Australian_Aborigens; Melanesian; Alorese; Lembata; Lamaholot; Manggarai; Tongan-Samoan; Kambera; Samoan; Ayta; Mamanwa; Ati; Onge; Agta; Toraja; Negrito_Kensiu; Great_Andamanese; Iraya; Negrito_Jehai; Minanubu; Fillipino_Chabakano' Mentawai; Javanese; Malay; Sunda; Filipino_Tagalog; Temuan; Thailand_Mlabri; Batak_Toba; Dayak; Bidayuh_Jagoi; Iban; China_Wa

I am quite interested in trying to understand my Oceanian heritage further

OFC123
04-01-2017, 07:52 PM
Hi, I'm new to this forum. First of all, I'm a very mixed guy and I have been so curious about my Oceanian result as well. I am very aware of my ancestry from my paternal side (Native American and West African) and my maternal side (Spanish and Chinese). I found Eurogenes K15 to be the most accurate tool, giving me 37% Amerindian, 13.2% Southeast Asian, 2.8% Siberian, 3.1% Sub-Saharan and 1.18% Oceanian. So again, I'm pretty sure the Amerindian and Sub-Saharan percentages come from my dad and the Southeast Asian and Siberian percentages come from my mom since my great-grandfather was a Cantonese Chinese. The thing is, I really want to know where my Oceanian percentage comes from. I also scored 1.21% Oceanian on Eurogenes K13. I keep scoring at least 1% on almost every test. However, I didn't score any Oceanian on DNA.land. I keep wondering whether the Oceanian percentage comes from my Chinese great-grandfather. My family members are not aware of any Oceanian/Pacific Islander ancestor. So what do you people think? Could this percentage come from my Asian ancestry? Many Southeast Asians, like Cambodians, have some Oceanian in them. Maybe there's a Filipino ancestor in my Asian ancestry. I'm also surprised to see my Asian percentages a little higher than 12.5% since I'm 1/8 Chinese. Maybe my dad could also have some Asian. So confusing :confused:

BalkanKiwi
04-01-2017, 10:03 PM
Hi, I'm new to this forum. First of all, I'm a very mixed guy and I have been so curious about my Oceanian result as well. I am very aware of my ancestry from my paternal side (Native American and West African) and my maternal side (Spanish and Chinese). I found Eurogenes K15 to be the most accurate tool, giving me 37% Amerindian, 13.2% Southeast Asian, 2.8% Siberian, 3.1% Sub-Saharan and 1.18% Oceanian. So again, I'm pretty sure the Amerindian and Sub-Saharan percentages come from my dad and the Southeast Asian and Siberian percentages come from my mom since my great-grandfather was a Cantonese Chinese. The thing is, I really want to know where my Oceanian percentage comes from. I also scored 1.21% Oceanian on Eurogenes K13. I keep scoring at least 1% on almost every test. However, I didn't score any Oceanian on DNA.land. I keep wondering whether the Oceanian percentage comes from my Chinese great-grandfather. My family members are not aware of any Oceanian/Pacific Islander ancestor. So what do you people think? Could this percentage come from my Asian ancestry? Many Southeast Asians, like Cambodians, have some Oceanian in them. Maybe there's a Filipino ancestor in my Asian ancestry. I'm also surprised to see my Asian percentages a little higher than 12.5% since I'm 1/8 Chinese. Maybe my dad could also have some Asian. So confusing :confused:

Welcome to the forum!

Your Oceanian is likely from your Asian ancestry, which isn't uncommon. Depending on how far it goes back and since Polynesians didn't keep written records, you probably wont find a name for an actual ancestor. I get around 1.5% Oceanian on the Eurogenes K13 but my most recent Oceanian ancestor is a 5th great grandparent, which shows you how hard it can be to use DNA to define what level you inherited from.

How much Oceanian and East Asian do you get on the puntDNAL K12 out of interest?

OFC123
04-02-2017, 04:41 AM
Thanks! I got 3.9% Siberian, 11.85% East Asian and 1.63% Oceanian on puntDNAL k12. I am having plans on testing one of my parents to see where the Oceanian comes from

Don Felipe
05-31-2017, 12:08 PM
AncestryDNA results for an almost full blooded Aboriginal. Not surprisingly socalled Melanesia acts as closest proxy. Interestingly though she also scores minor South Asian and even 4% Central Asia and most intriguingly 2% Africa South-Central Hunter-Gatherers (not shown in screenshot)!


https://i2.wp.com/tracingafricanroots.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/au1.jpg


These are her gedmatch (MDLP) results:


https://i1.wp.com/tracingafricanroots.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/au21.png

fished
05-31-2017, 10:37 PM
These are the results of a Chamorro from Guam:

16465

Every Guamanian I've seen has had relatively high Native American, a sign that the Mexican cultural influence in Guam that arrived during the Spanish period was accompanied by actual admixture.

Here are the Eurogenes K13 results of a different Guamanian:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 60.90
2 Oceanian 14.23
3 North_Atlantic 5.40
4 South_Asian 5.34
5 Amerindian 3.64
6 Baltic 2.85
7 West_Med 2.41
8 Siberian 1.67
9 East_Med 1.57
10 Northeast_African 1.22


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Malay @ 20.372992
2 Cambodian @ 22.629805
3 Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 22.714540
4 Lahu @ 26.403368
5 Yizu @ 28.304327
6 Naxi @ 29.560654
7 Miaozu @ 29.816942
8 Vietnamese @ 29.855194
9 Tujia @ 30.226717
10 Tu @ 31.518541
11 She @ 31.584181
12 Dai @ 33.025635
13 Japanese @ 34.560223
14 Xibo @ 41.547871
15 Hezhen @ 43.183907
16 Uygur @ 48.062889
17 Hazara @ 53.544525
18 Kirgiz @ 54.658539
19 Kazakh @ 55.429958
20 Aghan_Hazara @ 55.539928

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Malay +50% Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 19.287735


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Dai +25% NAN_Melanesian +25% Uygur @ 9.794930


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Dai + Dai + NAN_Melanesian + Uygur @ 9.794930
2 Lahu + Lahu + Malay + NAN_Melanesian @ 10.224578
3 Dai + Lahu + NAN_Melanesian + Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 10.253293
4 Dai + NAN_Melanesian + Tibeto-Burman_Burmese + Vietnamese @ 10.290663
5 Cambodian + Lahu + Lahu + NAN_Melanesian @ 10.349319
6 NAN_Melanesian + Tibeto-Burman_Burmese + Vietnamese + Vietnamese @ 10.352760
7 Cambodian + Cambodian + Miaozu + NAN_Melanesian @ 10.368886
8 Cambodian + Cambodian + NAN_Melanesian + Tujia @ 10.376394
9 Dai + Dai + NAN_Melanesian + Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 10.407172
10 Cambodian + Malay + Miaozu + NAN_Melanesian @ 10.419080
11 Cambodian + Cambodian + Lahu + NAN_Melanesian @ 10.429805
12 Cambodian + Malay + NAN_Melanesian + Tujia @ 10.434028
13 Cambodian + Malay + NAN_Melanesian + She @ 10.441785
14 Cambodian + Cambodian + NAN_Melanesian + She @ 10.443951
15 Cambodian + Dai + NAN_Melanesian + Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 10.459473
16 Lahu + NAN_Melanesian + Tibeto-Burman_Burmese + Vietnamese @ 10.521940
17 Lahu + Malay + NAN_Melanesian + Vietnamese @ 10.522143
18 Malay + Malay + NAN_Melanesian + She @ 10.559096
19 Cambodian + Lahu + Malay + NAN_Melanesian @ 10.572078
20 Malay + Malay + Miaozu + NAN_Melanesian @ 10.588181

surbakhunWeesste
05-31-2017, 10:55 PM
^ you mean every Chamorro right?

fished
06-01-2017, 12:00 AM
^ you mean every Chamorro right?

I can only speak for Chamorros from Guam. I haven't seen any results of Chamorros from the Northern Marianas.

witness
06-01-2017, 02:34 PM
Facebook User
Most likely fit is 35.0% (+- 0.2%) E. Asia (all Southeast Asia)
and 14.6% (+- 0.0%) Oceania (all South Pacific)
and 4.7% (+- 2.2%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 45.7% (+- 2.3%) Mideast (all Jewish)

from McDonald himself:

Most likely fit is 35.0% (+- 0.2%) E. Asia (all Southeast Asia)
and 14.6% (+- 0.0%) Oceania (all South Pacific)
and 4.7% (+- 2.2%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 45.7% (+- 2.3%) Mideast (all Jewish)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Malaysia= 0.347 Papuan= 0.146 Russian= 0.034 Jewish= 0.473 or
Malaysia= 0.347 Papuan= 0.146 Finland= 0.031 Jewish= 0.475 or
Malaysia= 0.351 Papuan= 0.146 Spain= 0.061 Jewish= 0.442 or
Malaysia= 0.350 Papuan= 0.146 English= 0.039 Jewish= 0.465 or
Malaysia= 0.350 Papuan= 0.146 French= 0.048 Jewish= 0.456 or
Malaysia= 0.349 Papuan= 0.146 Poland= 0.033 Jewish= 0.472 or
Malaysia= 0.349 Papuan= 0.146 Irish= 0.033 Jewish= 0.471 or
Malaysia= 0.350 Papuan= 0.146 Germany= 0.038 Jewish= 0.466 or
Malaysia= 0.349 Papuan= 0.146 Hungary= 0.047 Jewish= 0.458 or
Malaysia= 0.352 Papuan= 0.146 Tuscan= 0.106 Jewish= 0.395

which is the most exotic file I have ever seen. I looked at the file itself and it appears
to be perfectly normal (i.e. not corrupt). I have a special program that looks
carefully for Oceanic (Papuan or Melanesian) on the chromosomes, and it finds
none at normal sensitivity. At somewhat enhanced sensitivity some E. Asian areas
do become Oceanic.

So I believe that in fact the Malaysian+Papuan is some sort of South Pacific island
population. Its impossible to tell exactly what, as I have never seen such a person.
I’ve never tested a Hawaiian, for example. I have seen Oceanic, but it came from
Australian aborigines. I have seen people from the Philippines and they did not
show significant Oceanic.

If I had to guess, I’d say Borneo, Celebes, etc. But it could be anywhere ... even
Hawaii. The other half, of course, is mostly if not entirely Jewish. Given the almost
exact 50-50 split, it looks like the father is Jewish and the mother Asian, because
of the X chromosome.

What is it SUPPOSED to be??? I’ve love to know.

His reply again to my friend,all this was back in 2013 and since my friend used his account to run and send the data possibly the algorithm has been updated since.

have had, until now, absolutely no experience of data files from that area.

But I would have and did expect Indonesia to split that way ... mostly like
(mainland) Malaysia plus something more akin to the real Papuan/Melanesian types.

But Wallace’s Line is quite real for people too, just not as clearly defined as for
plants and non-human animals, so HOW and WHERE the mixing would occur is
still unknown for the autosomes.

This was also interesting to me since I spent last summer’s vacation in Malaysian Borneo.

Doug

Tjada
06-01-2017, 07:02 PM
Facebook User
Most likely fit is 35.0% (+- 0.2%) E. Asia (all Southeast Asia)
and 14.6% (+- 0.0%) Oceania (all South Pacific)
and 4.7% (+- 2.2%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 45.7% (+- 2.3%) Mideast (all Jewish)

from McDonald himself:

Most likely fit is 35.0% (+- 0.2%) E. Asia (all Southeast Asia)
and 14.6% (+- 0.0%) Oceania (all South Pacific)
and 4.7% (+- 2.2%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 45.7% (+- 2.3%) Mideast (all Jewish)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Malaysia= 0.347 Papuan= 0.146 Russian= 0.034 Jewish= 0.473 or
Malaysia= 0.347 Papuan= 0.146 Finland= 0.031 Jewish= 0.475 or
Malaysia= 0.351 Papuan= 0.146 Spain= 0.061 Jewish= 0.442 or
Malaysia= 0.350 Papuan= 0.146 English= 0.039 Jewish= 0.465 or
Malaysia= 0.350 Papuan= 0.146 French= 0.048 Jewish= 0.456 or
Malaysia= 0.349 Papuan= 0.146 Poland= 0.033 Jewish= 0.472 or
Malaysia= 0.349 Papuan= 0.146 Irish= 0.033 Jewish= 0.471 or
Malaysia= 0.350 Papuan= 0.146 Germany= 0.038 Jewish= 0.466 or
Malaysia= 0.349 Papuan= 0.146 Hungary= 0.047 Jewish= 0.458 or
Malaysia= 0.352 Papuan= 0.146 Tuscan= 0.106 Jewish= 0.395

which is the most exotic file I have ever seen. I looked at the file itself and it appears
to be perfectly normal (i.e. not corrupt). I have a special program that looks
carefully for Oceanic (Papuan or Melanesian) on the chromosomes, and it finds
none at normal sensitivity. At somewhat enhanced sensitivity some E. Asian areas
do become Oceanic.

So I believe that in fact the Malaysian+Papuan is some sort of South Pacific island
population. Its impossible to tell exactly what, as I have never seen such a person.
I’ve never tested a Hawaiian, for example. I have seen Oceanic, but it came from
Australian aborigines. I have seen people from the Philippines and they did not
show significant Oceanic.

If I had to guess, I’d say Borneo, Celebes, etc. But it could be anywhere ... even
Hawaii. The other half, of course, is mostly if not entirely Jewish. Given the almost
exact 50-50 split, it looks like the father is Jewish and the mother Asian, because
of the X chromosome.

What is it SUPPOSED to be??? I’ve love to know.

His reply again to my friend,all this was back in 2013 and since my friend used his account to run and send the data possibly the algorithm has been updated since.

have had, until now, absolutely no experience of data files from that area.

But I would have and did expect Indonesia to split that way ... mostly like
(mainland) Malaysia plus something more akin to the real Papuan/Melanesian types.

But Wallace’s Line is quite real for people too, just not as clearly defined as for
plants and non-human animals, so HOW and WHERE the mixing would occur is
still unknown for the autosomes.

This was also interesting to me since I spent last summer’s vacation in Malaysian Borneo.

Doug

This is mine (back in 2016)

Most likely fit is 30.9% (+- 0.2%) E. Asia (all Ethnic E. Asian)
and 25.5% (+- 5.9%) E. Asia (all Southeast Asia)
which is 56.4% total E. Asia
and 43.6% (+- 6.1%) Oceania (all South Pacific)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Dai= 0.306 Malaysian= 0.200 Melanesian= 0.494 or
Dai= 0.308 Cambodian= 0.191 Melanesian= 0.501 or
Dai= 0.311 Malaysian= 0.318 Papuan= 0.372 or
Dai= 0.311 Cambodian= 0.309 Papuan= 0.379

A different analysis method (the graph with bars) says you fit Papuan better than Melanesian

Doug McDonald

Dewsloth
06-01-2017, 07:11 PM
I am reviving this post as my Oceanian averages in the new MDLP K11 calculator are very high and higher than from both South Asian and Southeast Asian populations close to me: My oceanian average is 2.54 which is higher in the modern population averages context than other austroasiatic South Asian groups as well as Southeast Asian groups, the only ones that have higher oceanian percentages are in descending order: Papuan; Australian_Aborigens; Melanesian; Alorese; Lembata; Lamaholot; Manggarai; Tongan-Samoan; Kambera; Samoan; Ayta; Mamanwa; Ati; Onge; Agta; Toraja; Negrito_Kensiu; Great_Andamanese; Iraya; Negrito_Jehai; Minanubu; Fillipino_Chabakano' Mentawai; Javanese; Malay; Sunda; Filipino_Tagalog; Temuan; Thailand_Mlabri; Batak_Toba; Dayak; Bidayuh_Jagoi; Iban; China_Wa

I am quite interested in trying to understand my Oceanian heritage further


I am a Filipino and here's my Eurogenes K13 and K15 results:

K13

North_Atlantic -
Baltic 1.26
West_Med 0.16
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 7.12
East_Asian 80.02
Siberian 2.05
Amerindian 1.30
Oceanian 7.05
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1.04

K15

North_Sea -
Atlantic -
Baltic 0.45
Eastern_Euro -
West_Med 0.47
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 6.88
Southeast_Asian 80.99
Siberian 1.90
Amerindian 1.13
Oceanian 7.08
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1.11

I consistently score 5 to 10% Oceanian in Gedmatch...

Here are Mrs Dewsloth's scores. Her parents are from the Philippines, but met in the US, and hopefully I can get them both to do FF:

MDLP K23b

1 Austronesian 48.33
2 South_East_Asian 29.68
3 Tungus-Altaic 5.94
4 European_Early_Farmers 3.64
5 Caucasian 3.11
6 Melano_Polynesian 3.05
7 European_Hunters_Gatherers 2.99
8 South_Indian 2.24
9 Archaic_African 0.51
10 South_Central_Asian 0.44
11 North_African 0.05
12 Australoid 0.03


MDLP World 22

1 East-South-Asian 74.49
2 East-Siberean 6.99
3 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 5.68
4 Indian 3.61
5 North-East-European 2.93
6 Melanesian 2.26
7 Indo-Iranian 1.49
8 Austronesian 1.36
9 Near_East 0.39
10 West-Asian 0.35
11 Sub-Saharian 0.18
12 South-America_Amerind 0.14
13 Pygmy 0.07
14 North-European-Mesolithic 0.05


Eurogenes K13

1 East_Asian 76.44
2 North_Atlantic 5.34
3 South_Asian 4.19
4 West_Med 3.97
5 Siberian 3.13
6 Oceanian 2.94
7 Baltic 2.13
8 East_Med 0.92
9 Northeast_African 0.58
10 Amerindian 0.19
11 Sub-Saharan 0.18

Eurogenes K15

1 Southeast_Asian 77.22
2 South_Asian 4.4
3 North_Sea 3.82
4 Atlantic 3.56
5 West_Med 3.55
6 Oceanian 2.83
7 Siberian 2.79
8 Northeast_African 0.83
9 Eastern_Euro 0.74
10 Amerindian 0.24

mamoahina
07-06-2017, 01:18 PM
I am reviving this post as my Oceanian averages in the new MDLP K11 calculator are very high and higher than from both South Asian and Southeast Asian populations close to me: My oceanian average is 2.54 which is higher in the modern population averages context than other austroasiatic South Asian groups as well as Southeast Asian groups, the only ones that have higher oceanian percentages are in descending order: Papuan; Australian_Aborigens; Melanesian; Alorese; Lembata; Lamaholot; Manggarai; Tongan-Samoan; Kambera; Samoan; Ayta; Mamanwa; Ati; Onge; Agta; Toraja; Negrito_Kensiu; Great_Andamanese; Iraya; Negrito_Jehai; Minanubu; Fillipino_Chabakano' Mentawai; Javanese; Malay; Sunda; Filipino_Tagalog; Temuan; Thailand_Mlabri; Batak_Toba; Dayak; Bidayuh_Jagoi; Iban; China_Wa

I am quite interested in trying to understand my Oceanian heritage further

My paternal grandparents were from the central Philippines while my mother is Hawaiian. These are my results for MDLP K11, followed by my paternal aunt (since my father is deceased) and then my Hawaiian mother.

ME
1 SEA 71.95
2 Oceanic 12.85
3 WHG 4.74
4 EHG 4.71
5 Neolithic 2.84
6 ASI 2.42
7 Basal 0.25
8 African 0.25

PATERNAL AUNT
1 SEA 89.63
2 Oceanic 4.71
3 ASI 3.99
4 EHG 0.58
5 African 0.42
6 Amerindian 0.36
7 Basal 0.3

MOTHER
1 SEA 60.63
2 Oceanic 20.86
3 EHG 6.99
4 WHG 5.72
5 Neolithic 3.04
6 ASI 1.99
7 African 0.41
8 Amerindian 0.25
9 Basal 0.1

Also, my mother has about 17% European background and me about 11%. The Mamanwa were in the Cental Philippines, close to the areas of both of my grandparents.

Dewsloth
08-09-2017, 06:56 PM
Here are Mrs Dewsloth's scores. Her parents are from the Philippines, but met in the US, and hopefully I can get them both to do FF:

Well, now with one parent's results, it looks like the vast bulk of the westMed European is from her father's side of the family (though there is a bit of Baltic on her mom's).

My mother-in-law (I think her family is from Cebu?):

K9b:
Population
Southeast_Asian 65.96
Northeast_Asian 26.85
Oceanian 3.20
North_European 2.82
Native_American 0.55
South_African 0.40
Mediterranean 0.23

MDLP K23b
# Population Percent
1 Austronesian 54.89
2 South_East_Asian 31.25
3 Tungus-Altaic 5.23
4 South_Indian 2.55
5 Australoid 2.33
6 Melano_Polynesian 1.56
7 South_Central_Asian 1.33
8 Ancestral_Altaic 0.49
9 European_Early_Farmers 0.17
10 Archaic_African 0.11
11 Caucasian 0.05
12 Archaic_Human 0.04

MDLP K11
# Population Percent
1 SEA 91.03
2 Oceanic 3.99
3 ASI 2.91
4 EHG 1.28
5 WHG 0.62
6 African 0.17


MDLP World 22
1 East-South-Asian 80.33
2 East-Siberean 8.15
3 Indian 3.13
4 Melanesian 2.7
5 Austronesian 2.12
6 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 1.13
7 Indo-Iranian 0.82
8 West-Asian 0.51
9 North-Amerind 0.36
10 Paleo-Siberian 0.34
11 North-European-Mesolithic 0.18
12 Mesoamerican 0.14
13 Sub-Saharian 0.08


Eurogenes K13
1 East_Asian 82.96
2 South_Asian 4.86
3 Siberian 4.83
4 Oceanian 4.19
5 Baltic 2.29
6 North_Atlantic 0.7
7 Sub-Saharan 0.16
8 Amerindian 0.01


Eurogenes K15
1 Southeast_Asian 83.51
2 Siberian 4.8
3 South_Asian 4.76
4 Oceanian 4.23
5 North_Sea 1.83
6 Baltic 0.59
7 Sub-Saharan 0.17
8 Amerindian 0.1

BalkanKiwi
11-21-2017, 06:37 AM
I recently had my grandmother tested. Here are some calculator results. Surprisingly my sister and I actually score more Oceanian/SE Asian than her (besides on the MDLP K23b). She gets a high amount of Amerindian. Whether that is actually East Asian its probably hard to tell. She's matches a good number of Maori, Hawaiians and a Cook Islander.

MDLP K16

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 28.64
2 Steppe 25.89
3 NorthEastEuropean 25.36
4 Caucasian 19.05
5 Oceanic 0.62
6 Amerindian 0.31
7 Indian 0.13

MDLP K23b

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 35.52
2 European_Early_Farmers 26.72
3 Caucasian 21.73
4 South_Central_Asian 8.18
5 Ancestral_Altaic 6.32
6 Melano_Polynesian 1.11
7 Amerindian 0.27
8 Khoisan 0.16


Eurogenes K13

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.08
2 Baltic 21.9
3 West_Med 13.19
4 West_Asian 8.47
5 East_Med 2.07
6 Amerindian 1.17
7 Oceanian 0.93
8 South_Asian 0.82
9 East_Asian 0.77
10 Northeast_African 0.58


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 33.92
2 North_Sea 29.15
3 Eastern_Euro 11.94
4 Baltic 7.99
5 West_Med 7.76
6 West_Asian 6.44
7 Amerindian 0.93
8 Oceanian 0.72
9 Northeast_African 0.58
10 South_Asian 0.48
11 Southeast_Asian 0.1


puntDNAL K13 Global

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 48.05
2 SW_Europe 34.48
3 West_Asia 9.1
4 South_Asia 2.15
5 Americas 1.89
6 East_Africa 1.45
7 SW_Asia 1.26
8 Oceania 0.79
9 NE_Asia 0.58
10 SE_Asia 0.24
11 South_Africa 0.01

C J Wyatt III
11-21-2017, 09:56 PM
I recently had my grandmother tested. Here are some calculator results. Surprisingly my sister and I actually score more Oceanian/SE Asian than her (besides on the MDLP K23b). She gets a high amount of Amerindian. Whether that is actually East Asian its probably hard to tell. She's matches a good number of Maori, Hawaiians and a Cook Islander....

Your grandmother also matches my mother, Barbara Collip Wyatt (T436420). My mother was born Canadian with most of her lines being ostensibly British Isles. I found your grandmother on my mother's GEDmatch 'one-to-many' list. With the default parameters of 7.0 CM and 500 SNP's, their match is:

Largest segment = 11.1 cM
Total of segments > 7 cM = 11.1 cM
1 matching segments
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 5.2

Matching segment:
#3, 166,539,047-75,443,823 Mbp, 11.1 cM, 1,694 SNP's

I think a while back I told you that my mother matched you.

That match was:

Largest segment = 8.2 cM
Total of segments > 7 cM = 8.2 cM
1 matching segments
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.2

matching segment:
#3, 165,842,453-173,775,178 Mbp, 8.2 cM, 1,416 SNP's

Your sister does not match my mother with default parameters.

My mother also has Family Finder matches with your grandmother and you, both at '5th cousins - remote cousin' levels.

Jack Wyatt

Geborgenheit
12-09-2017, 08:12 PM
My Oceanian results :)

Family Tree DNA: Oceania <1%

DNA Tribes: Pacific 1.4 % / Polynesian 1.4 % / Samoa 1.6%

Gedmatch Eurogenes K13: Oceanian 1.06%

Hurricane
02-25-2018, 09:57 PM
FTDNA <2%
AncestryDNA <1%
23andme <0,1%
DNA Tribes 1,4%
DNA.LAND 1,4%
Gencove 1%

elethe
03-25-2018, 10:17 AM
I am mostly European on paper but Ancestry gave me traces of Melanesia (plus native American) and my father got Polynesia. Whether that is significant depends where you look, it isn't high but it showed up somehow. My mother came up with traces of Oceania on FTDNA (both parents got Melanesia, and I got some Polynesia, when Ancestry used to show you the ethnicities that showed up but they discounted but since they took away the ability to see those bits I have to rely on other calculators.)

On MDLP 23b I have Melano_Polynesian 1.79 (my top Oracle result is 1 98.3% Dutch ( ) + 1.7% Bougainville ( ) 2.39)
MDLP World 22 Melanesian 0.58
MDLP World Melanesian 0.75
On Eurogenes K13 Oceanian 0.61 East_Asian 0.53
Eurogenes K15 Oceanian 0.40
Dodecad World 9 Australasian 0.44
Harappaworld Papuan 0.36
PuntDNAL K15 Oceanian 0.53
PuntDNAL K13 Global Oceania 0.73
Eurasia K9 SE_Asian 0.93

Though a lot of other trace ethnicities show up too so it is possible I am looking at a Malagasy ancestor.
I have made contact with a few third and fourth cousins with Oceanic ancestry though I am still not sure how they are related.

Hurricane
04-01-2018, 12:44 PM
I am mostly European on paper but Ancestry gave me traces of Melanesia (plus native American) and my father got Polynesia. Whether that is significant depends where you look, it isn't high but it showed up somehow. My mother came up with traces of Oceania on FTDNA (both parents got Melanesia, and I got some Polynesia, when Ancestry used to show you the ethnicities that showed up but they discounted but since they took away the ability to see those bits I have to rely on other calculators.)

On MDLP 23b I have Melano_Polynesian 1.79 (my top Oracle result is 1 98.3% Dutch ( ) + 1.7% Bougainville ( ) 2.39)
MDLP World 22 Melanesian 0.58
MDLP World Melanesian 0.75
On Eurogenes K13 Oceanian 0.61 East_Asian 0.53
Eurogenes K15 Oceanian 0.40
Dodecad World 9 Australasian 0.44
Harappaworld Papuan 0.36
PuntDNAL K15 Oceanian 0.53
PuntDNAL K13 Global Oceania 0.73
Eurasia K9 SE_Asian 0.93

Though a lot of other trace ethnicities show up too so it is possible I am looking at a Malagasy ancestor.
I have made contact with a few third and fourth cousins with Oceanic ancestry though I am still not sure how they are related.
Are you dutch?