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ffoucart
02-06-2016, 07:35 AM
me (with 1/4 from Southern France (Auvergne))

Y R1b1b2a1a2f*
MT K1

99.8% European

Northwestern European
32.3% French & German
24.1% British & Irish
2.4% Scandinavian

28.1% Broadly Northwestern European

Southern European
2.6% Iberian
2.6% Italian
4.8% Broadly Southern European

2.9% Broadly European

0.1% Middle Eastern & North African
0.1% North African

0.1% East Asian & Native American
East Asian
0.1% Broadly East Asian

Eurogenes K13

North_Atlantic 45.19%
Baltic 20.53%
West_Med 16.49%
West_Asian 4.69%
East_Med 9.89%
Red_Sea 1.83%
South_Asian 0.88%
Amerindian 0.46%

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 3.570861
2 West_German @ 4.356931
3 French @ 5.131073
4 Southeast_English @ 8.288505
5 Southwest_English @ 10.177438
6 Orcadian @ 11.222371
7 North_German @ 11.316727
8 North_Dutch @ 11.840305
9 Danish @ 11.891972
10 Irish @ 12.432858
11 West_Scottish @ 12.577166
12 Austrian @ 12.805714
13 Spanish_Cataluna @ 13.634468
14 Norwegian @ 14.646075
15 East_German @ 14.709287
16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 14.993813
17 Spanish_Galicia @ 15.214324
18 Portuguese @ 15.247333
19 Swedish @ 15.864409
20 Southwest_French @ 16.333080

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% South_Dutch @ 2.531235


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% Southeast_English +25% Tuscan @ 1.470170


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.470170
2 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.567044
3 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.598932
4 French + French + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.712220
5 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 1.716137
6 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.769639
7 North_Italian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 1.826366
8 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.836527
9 Danish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.839161
10 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.860102
11 French + North_Italian + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 1.862119
12 Danish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.863093
13 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.874450
14 North_Italian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 1.875590
15 Danish + French + North_German + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.882392
16 French + French + South_Dutch + Southeast_English @ 1.904625
17 Danish + French + North_German + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.925665
18 Danish + French + French + French @ 1.939092
19 French + North_German + North_German + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.958573
20 French + North_Dutch + North_German + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.960568


my father

Y R1b1b2a1a2f*
MT H1e

99.8% European

Northwestern European
28.3% British & Irish
22.4% French & German
3.3% Scandinavian
32.9% Broadly Northwestern European

Southern European
1.6% Italian
0.3% Iberian
5.1% Broadly Southern European

5.9% Broadly European

0.1% Sub-Saharan African
0.1% West African

0.1% East Asian & Native American
East Asian
0.1% Broadly East Asian

0.1% Middle Eastern & North African
< 0.1% North African
< 0.1% Broadly Middle Eastern & North African

< 0.1% Unassigned

Eurogenes K13

North_Atlantic 45.56%
Baltic 21.33%
West_Med 13.76%
West_Asian 7.48%
East_Med 8.40%
Red_Sea 0.76%
South_Asian 0.25%
Amerindian 1.64%
Oceanian 0.82%

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_German @ 3.232328
2 South_Dutch @ 3.652236
3 Southeast_English @ 7.112415
4 North_German @ 8.468881
5 French @ 8.573508
6 Southwest_English @ 9.241196
7 Orcadian @ 9.380301
8 North_Dutch @ 9.421523
9 Danish @ 9.502286
10 Irish @ 10.254767
11 West_Scottish @ 10.696402
12 Austrian @ 12.128371
13 Norwegian @ 12.194796
14 Swedish @ 13.478151
15 East_German @ 13.978223
16 Hungarian @ 16.956377
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.112972
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 18.566935
19 North_Swedish @ 18.632168
20 Portuguese @ 18.677328

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% South_Dutch +50% West_German @ 3.215255


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Tuscan +25% West_Scottish @ 2.048841


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.838483
2 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 1.930058
3 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 1.946512
4 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.048841
5 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.049126
6 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 2.069249
7 Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian @ 2.072714
8 Danish + Irish + North_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.073895
9 Danish + North_Dutch + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.122411
10 Danish + Irish + Irish + Tuscan @ 2.125711
11 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.129529
12 Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 2.138594
13 Irish + North_German + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.139315
14 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 2.144929
15 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.148020
16 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.156180
17 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.156535
18 Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.162367
19 Greek_Thessaly + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.173348
20 Irish + Irish + North_German + Tuscan @ 2.176007

my gf

MT K1c1b

99.8% European

Northwestern European
41.9% French & German
12.3% British & Irish
1.1% Scandinavian
36.8% Broadly Northwestern European

Southern European
2.6% Iberian
2.0% Italian
1.8% Broadly Southern European

1.4% Broadly European

0.2% Middle Eastern & North African
0.2% North African
< 0.1% Broadly Middle Eastern & North African

< 0.1% Unassigned

Eurogenes K13
North_Atlantic 51.04%
Baltic 19.66%
West_Med 12.12%
West_Asian 6.50%
East_Med 8.51%
Red_Sea 0.05%
South_Asian 0.70%
Siberian 0.47%
Amerindian 0.23%
Oceanian 0.55%
Northeast_African 0.18%

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 5.746287
2 Southwest_English @ 7.273269
3 Orcadian @ 7.906044
4 South_Dutch @ 8.082215
5 West_Scottish @ 8.141462
6 Irish @ 8.508794
7 North_Dutch @ 8.793388
8 West_German @ 8.837900
9 Danish @ 8.850598
10 North_German @ 9.892859
11 Norwegian @ 11.522433
12 French @ 11.999846
13 Swedish @ 14.114344
14 Austrian @ 17.457342
15 East_German @ 18.888851
16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.313066
17 North_Swedish @ 20.349697
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 20.743195
19 Portuguese @ 21.419628
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.634594

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +50% Southeast_English @ 5.746287


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% West_Scottish @ 5.438771


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 5.349231
2 Danish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.423616
3 Danish + Danish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.438771
4 French + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.461194
5 Danish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.495834
6 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 5.510338
7 French + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 5.514400
8 French + Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 5.516860
9 Danish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.519123
10 North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.535996
11 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.539357
12 Danish + Irish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.545815
13 Danish + French + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 5.553168
14 French + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.572126
15 Danish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.578237
16 Danish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish @ 5.582393
17 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.582673
18 Danish + French + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 5.583690
19 North_German + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.584471
20 Danish + Danish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish @ 5.589031

my gf's father

Y R1b1b2a1
MT H5a1

100% European

Northwestern European
42.1% French & German
21.2% British & Irish
2.0% Scandinavian
28.2% Broadly Northwestern European

Southern European
2.1% Iberian
1.1% Italian
0.9% Broadly Southern European
0.1% Ashkenazi

2.2% Broadly European

< 0.1% Unassigned


Eurogenes K13

North_Atlantic 50.06%
Baltic 16.93%
West_Med 14.98%
West_Asian 6.28%
East_Med 9.68%
Siberian 0.69%
Amerindian 1.04%
Oceanian 0.35%

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 8.213759
2 South_Dutch @ 8.233535
3 West_German @ 9.048696
4 Southwest_English @ 9.159781
5 French @ 9.392771
6 Orcadian @ 10.849135
7 West_Scottish @ 11.129471
8 Irish @ 11.503531
9 North_Dutch @ 12.258639
10 Danish @ 12.479487
11 North_German @ 13.155996
12 Norwegian @ 15.079252
13 Spanish_Cataluna @ 15.573495
14 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 17.055368
15 Swedish @ 17.538797
16 Portuguese @ 17.878458
17 Spanish_Cantabria @ 18.179245
18 Spanish_Murcia @ 18.243376
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.256699
20 Austrian @ 18.432077

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% West_Scottish @ 6.084297


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% West_Scottish @ 5.392285


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.392285
2 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.422849
3 Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.475543
4 Spanish_Murcia + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.487300
5 Southwest_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.498518
6 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Andalucia + West_Scottish @ 5.504593
7 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.536011
8 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.536727
9 French + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.559367
10 Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.587614
11 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.595315
12 Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.617023
13 Spanish_Valencia + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.622138
14 South_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.627388
15 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Valencia + West_Scottish @ 5.627818
16 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.631001
17 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.631666
18 Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.631914
19 French + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.638615
20 Southwest_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.646356

my gf's mother

MT K1c1b

100% European

Northwestern European
44.0% French & German
22.1% British & Irish
2.5% Scandinavian
0.4% Finnish
26.5% Broadly Northwestern European

Southern European
0.3% Iberian
0.2% Sardinian
0.1% Italian
1.2% Broadly Southern European

2.9% Broadly European

Eurogenes K13

North_Atlantic 50.48%
Baltic 20.33%
West_Med 10.78%
West_Asian 10.08%
East_Med 5.31%
Red_Sea 1.67%
South_Asian 0.80%
Oceanian 0.55%

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 7.102724
2 Southeast_English @ 7.309330
3 West_Scottish @ 7.324965
4 Southwest_English @ 7.625353
5 Orcadian @ 7.674745
6 North_Dutch @ 7.776599
7 Danish @ 8.097319
8 North_German @ 8.491464
9 South_Dutch @ 9.201059
10 West_German @ 9.826274
11 Norwegian @ 10.291577
12 Swedish @ 12.822436
13 French @ 14.121748
14 Austrian @ 17.271967
15 East_German @ 18.588469
16 North_Swedish @ 19.449581
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 22.053257
18 Hungarian @ 22.214874
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 23.376329
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 23.880325

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_German +50% West_Scottish @ 6.005204

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% West_German +25% West_Scottish @ 5.907703

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.907637
2 Irish + Irish + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.907703
3 West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.924191
4 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_German @ 5.944686
5 West_German + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.005204
6 North_German + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.025070
7 French + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.038688
8 French + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 6.059113
9 French + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 6.059121
10 Irish + Southwest_English + West_German + West_Scottish @ 6.066903
11 North_Dutch + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.069073
12 Irish + West_German + West_German + West_Scottish @ 6.072801
13 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_German @ 6.073871
14 French + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 6.075476
15 Southwest_English + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.086127
16 Irish + Southeast_English + West_German + West_Scottish @ 6.092619
17 Irish + North_Dutch + West_German + West_Scottish @ 6.096652
18 Irish + North_German + West_German + West_Scottish @ 6.102224
19 Danish + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.104171
20 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + West_German @ 6.104465

my gf's maternal grandfather:

Y R1b1b2a1
MT U5b3b

100% European

Northwestern European
45.5% French & German
27.7% British & Irish
4.3% Scandinavian
0.4% Finnish
21.8% Broadly Northwestern European
0.3% Broadly European

Eurogenes K13:
North_Atlantic 45.54%
Baltic 21.33%
West_Med 14.95%
West_Asian 8.74%
East_Med 5.93%
Red_Sea 2.24%
South_Asian 0.13%
Siberian 0.36%
Oceanian 0.72%

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 3.736138
2 West_German @ 4.522999
3 Southeast_English @ 7.379438
4 Southwest_English @ 8.336303
5 North_German @ 8.372397
6 French @ 8.907539
7 Orcadian @ 8.947030
8 North_Dutch @ 9.133203
9 Irish @ 9.431594
10 Danish @ 9.525852
11 West_Scottish @ 10.040100
12 Norwegian @ 11.920204
13 Austrian @ 12.299888
14 Swedish @ 13.213561
15 East_German @ 14.005446
16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.459927
17 Hungarian @ 17.571913
18 North_Swedish @ 18.628700
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 18.770555
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.780838

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% North_German @ 3.544711


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Tuscan @ 2.712218


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Tuscan @ 2.712218
2 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 2.715393
3 Irish + Irish + North_German + North_Italian @ 2.747537
4 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.770788
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.790410
6 Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 2.871940
7 Irish + Norwegian + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.890718
8 Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian @ 2.894015
9 Irish + North_German + North_Italian + West_Scottish @ 2.895963
10 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.900796
11 Irish + Irish + Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.923447
12 Irish + Irish + North_German + Tuscan @ 2.938615
13 Irish + Irish + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.947503
14 Greek_Thessaly + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.949415
15 Greek_Thessaly + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.960866
16 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.961635
17 Irish + North_Dutch + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.964160
18 Greek_Thessaly + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.981775
19 Danish + Irish + Irish + Tuscan @ 2.996377
20 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.998468

my gf's maternal grandmother

mt K1c1b

99.8% European

Northwestern European
41.8% French & German
23.1% British & Irish
0.8% Scandinavian
28.4% Broadly Northwestern European

Southern European
0.9% Italian
2.1% Broadly Southern European

2.5% Broadly European

0.1% Middle Eastern & North African
0.1% Broadly Middle Eastern & North African
0.2% Unassigned

Eurogenes K13
North_Atlantic 47.81%
Baltic 19.33%
West_Med 11.94%
West_Asian 7.60%
East_Med 9.97%
Red_Sea 1.42%
South_Asian 0.75%
Amerindian 0.36%
Oceanian 0.56%
Sub-Saharan 0.26%

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_German @ 6.545192
2 South_Dutch @ 6.599869
3 Southeast_English @ 7.908690
4 Southwest_English @ 9.765461
5 French @ 9.853268
6 North_German @ 10.089602
7 Orcadian @ 10.214487
8 Danish @ 10.359240
9 North_Dutch @ 10.386683
10 Irish @ 10.839868
11 West_Scottish @ 10.867555
12 Norwegian @ 13.242319
13 Swedish @ 15.099059
14 Austrian @ 15.293633
15 East_German @ 17.247066
16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.782148
17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 19.173803
18 Portuguese @ 19.414501
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 19.764624
20 Hungarian @ 19.811724

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +50% French @ 5.802864


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% West_Scottish @ 4.379249


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.911220
2 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.136990
3 Danish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.153870
4 Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.183745
5 Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.202884
6 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.257644
7 Italian_Abruzzo + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.275694
8 Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 4.379249
9 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 4.391238
10 Italian_Abruzzo + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.406165
11 Danish + Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.418380
12 Danish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 4.429317
13 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 4.440349
14 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 4.457744
15 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 4.490840
16 North_Dutch + Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.497538
17 Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.520894
18 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 4.539440
19 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 4.546628
20 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.559973

tchekitchek
02-06-2016, 09:17 AM
Quite northern shifted... quite Flemish I'd say...

ffoucart
02-06-2016, 10:34 AM
Quite northern shifted... quite Flemish I'd say...

Not exactly

my father: 1/8 Artois, 1/8 Cambresis, 1/4 Douaisis, 1/16 (Flemish) Brabant, 7/16 Walloon Flanders (Halluin and around) (paternal line: Foufflin-Ricametz in the Ternois 1720)

my gf's father: 1/4 Cambresis, 3/4 Flanders (Roubaix, Gent, Ostende, Ronse....) (paternal line: Mons en Pévèle around 1700)

my gf's maternal grandfather: 1/4 Artois (paternal line: Richebourg), 3/4 Walloon Flanders (1/4 Phalempin and around)

my gf's maternal grandmother: 7/8 Artois + Walloon Flanders (Bauvin, Carvin,... with one possible recent ancestor from Antwerpenin the 16, but not sure), 1/8 Normandy

So most of the ancestors spoke French not flemish (except for my gf's father).

jfttrh44
03-12-2016, 05:42 PM
Not exactly

my father: 1/8 Artois, 1/8 Cambresis, 1/4 Douaisis, 1/16 (Flemish) Brabant, 7/16 Walloon Flanders (Halluin and around) (paternal line: Foufflin-Ricametz in the Ternois 1720)

my gf's father: 1/4 Cambresis, 3/4 Flanders (Roubaix, Gent, Ostende, Ronse....) (paternal line: Mons en Pévèle around 1700)

my gf's maternal grandfather: 1/4 Artois (paternal line: Richebourg), 3/4 Walloon Flanders (1/4 Phalempin and around)

my gf's maternal grandmother: 7/8 Artois + Walloon Flanders (Bauvin, Carvin,... with one possible recent ancestor from Antwerpenin the 16, but not sure), 1/8 Normandy

So most of the ancestors spoke French not flemish (except for my gf's father).

Is it normal that people like you (and your family) that live so north of Europe get 0.1-0.2% Northafrican? I know that in old times (Neolithic) people from North-Africa crossed the Strait of Gibraltar and at least some of them went to Iberia (to the west part of Iberia), so it is normal that in them there is like a 1 or 1.2% of North-Africa (it is old ancestry, nothing to do with the 711 islamic thing).

Is there a possibility that they also went more up north? I don´t think it is just noise since I have seen many other people in other places of Europe (even in England) with a 0.5 or less of NorthAfrica. If it was noise, they will get other kind of ancestry, and not almost always "North-Africa".

Why is this?

ffoucart
03-13-2016, 11:20 PM
Is it normal that people like you (and your family) that live so north of Europe get 0.1-0.2% Northafrican? I know that in old times (Neolithic) people from North-Africa crossed the Strait of Gibraltar and at least some of them went to Iberia (to the west part of Iberia), so it is normal that in them there is like a 1 or 1.2% of North-Africa (it is old ancestry, nothing to do with the 711 islamic thing).

Is there a possibility that they also went more up north? I don´t think it is just noise since I have seen many other people in other places of Europe (even in England) with a 0.5 or less of NorthAfrica. If it was noise, they will get other kind of ancestry, and not almost always "North-Africa".

Why is this?

Frankly, I don't know. But remember that the Roman Empire covered a large part of Europe, so some of the results could come from that time.

Arguably, my gf's father has probably a distant ancestor from Spain or around (probably before 1700).

But I think this is simply a trace from older times, of a common admixture. Or it's simply noise.

ffoucart
06-28-2016, 05:25 AM
my gf paternal GM

mt DNA: H5a1

99.6% European

Northwestern European
31.9% French & German
24.6% British & Irish
1.3% Scandinavian
33.6% Broadly Northwestern European

Southern European
2.6% Iberian
1.1% Italian
1.7% Broadly Southern European

0.1% Ashkenazi

2.7% Broadly European

0.2% Middle Eastern & North African
0.2% North African

< 0.1% Broadly Middle Eastern & North African

0.2% Unassigned

Eurogenes K13

North_Atlantic 46.79
Baltic 20.12
West_Med 16.25
West_Asian 8.33
East_Med 6.24
Red_Sea 0.52
South_Asian 0.21
East_Asian 1.04
Amerindian 0.12
Oceanian 0.37


Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 4.831060
2 West_German @ 6.002964
3 Southeast_English @ 6.685042
4 Southwest_English @ 7.383027
5 Orcadian @ 8.759936
6 French @ 8.872453
7 Irish @ 9.265206
8 West_Scottish @ 9.649297
9 North_Dutch @ 9.712631
10 North_German @ 9.851871
11 Danish @ 10.086326
12 Norwegian @ 12.497741
13 Austrian @ 14.360654
14 Swedish @ 14.370111
15 East_German @ 15.916394
16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.421429
17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 18.015879
18 Southwest_French @ 18.197733
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.462700
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 18.506981

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% Irish @ 3.788521


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% North_Italian @ 3.023034


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Italian @ 3.023034
2 Irish + Irish + North_Italian + Southwest_English @ 3.062600
3 Irish + Irish + North_Italian + West_Scottish @ 3.104682
4 Irish + North_Italian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.193820
5 Irish + Irish + North_Italian + Orcadian @ 3.207091
6 Irish + North_Italian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.224550
7 Irish + Irish + North_Italian + Southeast_English @ 3.264790
8 Irish + North_Italian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.301656
9 Irish + North_Italian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 3.310745
10 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Italian + Southwest_English @ 3.313492
11 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_Italian @ 3.355418
12 North_Italian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.360699
13 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_German @ 3.364993
14 Irish + North_Italian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.366023
15 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Italian + West_Scottish @ 3.384905
16 North_Dutch + North_Italian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.391776
17 North_Italian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.396861
18 Irish + North_Italian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.408155
19 Irish + Irish + Irish + Tuscan @ 3.428580
20 Danish + Irish + North_Italian + Southwest_English @ 3.432717

and revised results for her son after phasing:

99.7% European

Northwestern European
48.8% French & German
17.3% British & Irish
3.2% Scandinavian
24.9% Broadly Northwestern European

Southern European
2.7% Iberian
1.2% Italian
0.6% Broadly Southern European

0.1% Ashkenazi

0.9% Broadly European

0.3% Middle Eastern & North African
0.3% North African

< 0.1% Unassigned

ffoucart
06-28-2016, 05:34 AM
our daughter
mt DNA K1c1b

99.6% European

Northwestern European
42.3% French & German
11.8% British & Irish
1.7% Scandinavian
33.4% Broadly Northwestern European

Southern European
2.5% Italian
1.6% Iberian
1.9% Broadly Southern European

4.3% Broadly European

0.4% Middle Eastern & North African
0.4% North African

0.1% East Asian & Native American
East Asian
0.1% Broadly East Asian

Eurogenes K13

North_Atlantic 47.36
Baltic 20.10
West_Med 14.59
West_Asian 3.75
East_Med 11.62
Red_Sea 0.63
Siberian 1.26
Amerindian 0.61
Sub-Saharan 0.09

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 6.229647
2 West_German @ 6.679389
3 French @ 7.978054
4 Southeast_English @ 8.167423
5 Southwest_English @ 10.459279
6 Orcadian @ 11.138389
7 Danish @ 11.812805
8 North_Dutch @ 11.843062
9 North_German @ 11.862838
10 West_Scottish @ 12.362978
11 Irish @ 12.555303
12 Norwegian @ 14.514360
13 Austrian @ 15.006420
14 Spanish_Cataluna @ 15.213967
15 Swedish @ 16.119974
16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 16.599777
17 East_German @ 16.813898
18 Portuguese @ 16.971878
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 17.363087
20 Spanish_Murcia @ 17.914660

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% Southeast_English @ 4.971770


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% Southeast_English +25% Tuscan @ 4.380361


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 4.380361
2 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 4.386733
3 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 4.421156
4 Danish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 4.539782
5 North_Italian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 4.547122
6 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 4.559138
7 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 4.591107
8 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 4.623881
9 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 4.625936
10 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 4.654469
11 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 4.661555
12 Danish + Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 4.702343
13 Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.712377
14 Danish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_German @ 4.714394
15 Danish + North_Italian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 4.730261
16 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_German @ 4.744286
17 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 4.747861
18 Danish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 4.747869
19 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 4.749630
20 Danish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 4.751762

anglesqueville
06-28-2016, 11:59 AM
Is it normal that people like you (and your family) that live so north of Europe get 0.1-0.2% Northafrican? I know that in old times (Neolithic) people from North-Africa crossed the Strait of Gibraltar and at least some of them went to Iberia (to the west part of Iberia), so it is normal that in them there is like a 1 or 1.2% of North-Africa (it is old ancestry, nothing to do with the 711 islamic thing).

Is there a possibility that they also went more up north? I don´t think it is just noise since I have seen many other people in other places of Europe (even in England) with a 0.5 or less of NorthAfrica. If it was noise, they will get other kind of ancestry, and not almost always "North-Africa".

Why is this?

A few words about my own case. Before my father got tested, I had 0.1% MENA. I isolated the only MENA segment, and ran it though SPA, that localized it in central Asia ( somewhere in Uzbekhistan if I recall). Furthermore I worked on this segment with several chromosome paintings, and DIYDodecadWin ( window mode), without seeing anything that could justify a MENA identification. Since then, my father has got tested, and our three "genomes" phased ( my parents and me). The MENA segment has disappeared, and I am now 0% MENA.
f.foucart: very impressive post.

dp
06-28-2016, 04:50 PM
Frankly, I don't know. But remember that the Roman Empire covered a large part of Europe, so some of the results could come from that time.

Arguably, my gf's father has probably a distant ancestor from Spain or around (probably before 1700).

But I think this is simply a trace from older times, of a common admixture. Or it's simply noise.
I know this is in a response to an old post but, the Roman Empire is not the most recent time of N.A. (North African) ancestry in French population.
(Gleize 2016)
"Early Medieval Muslim Graves in France: First Archaeological, Anthropological and Palaeogenomic Evidence"
doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0148583 (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0148583)
dp :-)

ffoucart
06-28-2016, 06:27 PM
I know this is in a response to an old post but, the Roman Empire is not the most recent time of N.A. (North African) ancestry in French population.
(Gleize 2016)
"Early Medieval Muslim Graves in France: First Archaeological, Anthropological and Palaeogenomic Evidence"
doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0148583 (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0148583)
dp :-)

Extremely doubfull for various reasons:
- Islamic presence was limited in space and time (extreme Southern France),
- no Christian could take a Muslim wife, meaning the offspring of a Muslim was Muslim,
- all Muslims were killed or expelled already in the XIth century.

Hence, if some of them could the ancestors of many French (and Europeans), as not all offspring is legitimate, genetically they count for nothing.

Moreover, if you want to list the number of possible admixture events, please remember that French kings and nobility (and low class people as well) went in Middle East and North Africa during the Crusades.

Also, some African prisoners can be find in many European ports since the XVIth century, some of them probably left offspring.

But this is not an explanation for finding some low level North African admixture in Europeans today. The Roman Empire is a far better choice, notably because the level of admixture is more or less following the Northern border of the Empire.

In my specific case, my family lives for generations more than 1000 kilometers from where the remains has been found. Very difficult to imagine having inherited a detectable part of our genomes from this small outsider community.

ancestryfan1994
08-29-2016, 07:57 PM
A bit off topic, but just for the lolz, you seem to match one of my family members (uncle) on GEDmatch (that is, if your name there is also ffoucart?, kit in question is also french).

dp
08-29-2016, 08:00 PM
You have tested some of your gg-grandparents. All of my g-grandparents died before 1960s, and a grandmother too *tear*.
dp *envy* :-)


me (with 1/4 from Southern France (Auvergne))

Y R1b1b2a1a2f*
MT K1

99.8% European

Northwestern European
32.3% French & German
24.1% British & Irish
2.4% Scandinavian

28.1% Broadly Northwestern European

Southern European
2.6% Iberian
2.6% Italian
4.8% Broadly Southern European

2.9% Broadly European

0.1% Middle Eastern & North African
0.1% North African

0.1% East Asian & Native American
East Asian
0.1% Broadly East Asian

Eurogenes K13

North_Atlantic 45.19%
Baltic 20.53%
West_Med 16.49%
West_Asian 4.69%
East_Med 9.89%
Red_Sea 1.83%
South_Asian 0.88%
Amerindian 0.46%

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 3.570861
2 West_German @ 4.356931
3 French @ 5.131073
4 Southeast_English @ 8.288505
5 Southwest_English @ 10.177438
6 Orcadian @ 11.222371
7 North_German @ 11.316727
8 North_Dutch @ 11.840305
9 Danish @ 11.891972
10 Irish @ 12.432858
11 West_Scottish @ 12.577166
12 Austrian @ 12.805714
13 Spanish_Cataluna @ 13.634468
14 Norwegian @ 14.646075
15 East_German @ 14.709287
16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 14.993813
17 Spanish_Galicia @ 15.214324
18 Portuguese @ 15.247333
19 Swedish @ 15.864409
20 Southwest_French @ 16.333080

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% South_Dutch @ 2.531235


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% Southeast_English +25% Tuscan @ 1.470170


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.470170
2 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.567044
3 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.598932
4 French + French + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.712220
5 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 1.716137
6 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.769639
7 North_Italian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 1.826366
8 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.836527
9 Danish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.839161
10 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.860102
11 French + North_Italian + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 1.862119
12 Danish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.863093
13 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.874450
14 North_Italian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 1.875590
15 Danish + French + North_German + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.882392
16 French + French + South_Dutch + Southeast_English @ 1.904625
17 Danish + French + North_German + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.925665
18 Danish + French + French + French @ 1.939092
19 French + North_German + North_German + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.958573
20 French + North_Dutch + North_German + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.960568


my father

Y R1b1b2a1a2f*
MT H1e

99.8% European

Northwestern European
28.3% British & Irish
22.4% French & German
3.3% Scandinavian
32.9% Broadly Northwestern European

Southern European
1.6% Italian
0.3% Iberian
5.1% Broadly Southern European

5.9% Broadly European

0.1% Sub-Saharan African
0.1% West African

0.1% East Asian & Native American
East Asian
0.1% Broadly East Asian

0.1% Middle Eastern & North African
< 0.1% North African
< 0.1% Broadly Middle Eastern & North African

< 0.1% Unassigned

Eurogenes K13

North_Atlantic 45.56%
Baltic 21.33%
West_Med 13.76%
West_Asian 7.48%
East_Med 8.40%
Red_Sea 0.76%
South_Asian 0.25%
Amerindian 1.64%
Oceanian 0.82%

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_German @ 3.232328
2 South_Dutch @ 3.652236
3 Southeast_English @ 7.112415
4 North_German @ 8.468881
5 French @ 8.573508
6 Southwest_English @ 9.241196
7 Orcadian @ 9.380301
8 North_Dutch @ 9.421523
9 Danish @ 9.502286
10 Irish @ 10.254767
11 West_Scottish @ 10.696402
12 Austrian @ 12.128371
13 Norwegian @ 12.194796
14 Swedish @ 13.478151
15 East_German @ 13.978223
16 Hungarian @ 16.956377
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.112972
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 18.566935
19 North_Swedish @ 18.632168
20 Portuguese @ 18.677328

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% South_Dutch +50% West_German @ 3.215255


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Tuscan +25% West_Scottish @ 2.048841


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.838483
2 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 1.930058
3 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 1.946512
4 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.048841
5 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.049126
6 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 2.069249
7 Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian @ 2.072714
8 Danish + Irish + North_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.073895
9 Danish + North_Dutch + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.122411
10 Danish + Irish + Irish + Tuscan @ 2.125711
11 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.129529
12 Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 2.138594
13 Irish + North_German + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.139315
14 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 2.144929
15 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.148020
16 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.156180
17 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.156535
18 Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.162367
19 Greek_Thessaly + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.173348
20 Irish + Irish + North_German + Tuscan @ 2.176007

my gf

MT K1c1b

99.8% European

Northwestern European
41.9% French & German
12.3% British & Irish
1.1% Scandinavian
36.8% Broadly Northwestern European

Southern European
2.6% Iberian
2.0% Italian
1.8% Broadly Southern European

1.4% Broadly European

0.2% Middle Eastern & North African
0.2% North African
< 0.1% Broadly Middle Eastern & North African

< 0.1% Unassigned

Eurogenes K13
North_Atlantic 51.04%
Baltic 19.66%
West_Med 12.12%
West_Asian 6.50%
East_Med 8.51%
Red_Sea 0.05%
South_Asian 0.70%
Siberian 0.47%
Amerindian 0.23%
Oceanian 0.55%
Northeast_African 0.18%

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 5.746287
2 Southwest_English @ 7.273269
3 Orcadian @ 7.906044
4 South_Dutch @ 8.082215
5 West_Scottish @ 8.141462
6 Irish @ 8.508794
7 North_Dutch @ 8.793388
8 West_German @ 8.837900
9 Danish @ 8.850598
10 North_German @ 9.892859
11 Norwegian @ 11.522433
12 French @ 11.999846
13 Swedish @ 14.114344
14 Austrian @ 17.457342
15 East_German @ 18.888851
16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.313066
17 North_Swedish @ 20.349697
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 20.743195
19 Portuguese @ 21.419628
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.634594

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +50% Southeast_English @ 5.746287


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% West_Scottish @ 5.438771


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 5.349231
2 Danish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.423616
3 Danish + Danish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.438771
4 French + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.461194
5 Danish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.495834
6 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 5.510338
7 French + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 5.514400
8 French + Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 5.516860
9 Danish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.519123
10 North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.535996
11 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.539357
12 Danish + Irish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.545815
13 Danish + French + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 5.553168
14 French + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.572126
15 Danish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.578237
16 Danish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish @ 5.582393
17 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.582673
18 Danish + French + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 5.583690
19 North_German + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.584471
20 Danish + Danish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish @ 5.589031

my gf's father

Y R1b1b2a1
MT H5a1

100% European

Northwestern European
42.1% French & German
21.2% British & Irish
2.0% Scandinavian
28.2% Broadly Northwestern European

Southern European
2.1% Iberian
1.1% Italian
0.9% Broadly Southern European
0.1% Ashkenazi

2.2% Broadly European

< 0.1% Unassigned


Eurogenes K13

North_Atlantic 50.06%
Baltic 16.93%
West_Med 14.98%
West_Asian 6.28%
East_Med 9.68%
Siberian 0.69%
Amerindian 1.04%
Oceanian 0.35%

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 8.213759
2 South_Dutch @ 8.233535
3 West_German @ 9.048696
4 Southwest_English @ 9.159781
5 French @ 9.392771
6 Orcadian @ 10.849135
7 West_Scottish @ 11.129471
8 Irish @ 11.503531
9 North_Dutch @ 12.258639
10 Danish @ 12.479487
11 North_German @ 13.155996
12 Norwegian @ 15.079252
13 Spanish_Cataluna @ 15.573495
14 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 17.055368
15 Swedish @ 17.538797
16 Portuguese @ 17.878458
17 Spanish_Cantabria @ 18.179245
18 Spanish_Murcia @ 18.243376
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.256699
20 Austrian @ 18.432077

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% West_Scottish @ 6.084297


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% West_Scottish @ 5.392285


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.392285
2 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.422849
3 Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.475543
4 Spanish_Murcia + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.487300
5 Southwest_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.498518
6 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Andalucia + West_Scottish @ 5.504593
7 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.536011
8 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.536727
9 French + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.559367
10 Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.587614
11 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.595315
12 Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.617023
13 Spanish_Valencia + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.622138
14 South_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.627388
15 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Valencia + West_Scottish @ 5.627818
16 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.631001
17 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.631666
18 Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.631914
19 French + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.638615
20 Southwest_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.646356

my gf's mother

MT K1c1b

100% European

Northwestern European
44.0% French & German
22.1% British & Irish
2.5% Scandinavian
0.4% Finnish
26.5% Broadly Northwestern European

Southern European
0.3% Iberian
0.2% Sardinian
0.1% Italian
1.2% Broadly Southern European

2.9% Broadly European

Eurogenes K13

North_Atlantic 50.48%
Baltic 20.33%
West_Med 10.78%
West_Asian 10.08%
East_Med 5.31%
Red_Sea 1.67%
South_Asian 0.80%
Oceanian 0.55%

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 7.102724
2 Southeast_English @ 7.309330
3 West_Scottish @ 7.324965
4 Southwest_English @ 7.625353
5 Orcadian @ 7.674745
6 North_Dutch @ 7.776599
7 Danish @ 8.097319
8 North_German @ 8.491464
9 South_Dutch @ 9.201059
10 West_German @ 9.826274
11 Norwegian @ 10.291577
12 Swedish @ 12.822436
13 French @ 14.121748
14 Austrian @ 17.271967
15 East_German @ 18.588469
16 North_Swedish @ 19.449581
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 22.053257
18 Hungarian @ 22.214874
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 23.376329
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 23.880325

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_German +50% West_Scottish @ 6.005204

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% West_German +25% West_Scottish @ 5.907703

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.907637
2 Irish + Irish + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.907703
3 West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.924191
4 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_German @ 5.944686
5 West_German + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.005204
6 North_German + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.025070
7 French + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.038688
8 French + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 6.059113
9 French + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 6.059121
10 Irish + Southwest_English + West_German + West_Scottish @ 6.066903
11 North_Dutch + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.069073
12 Irish + West_German + West_German + West_Scottish @ 6.072801
13 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_German @ 6.073871
14 French + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 6.075476
15 Southwest_English + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.086127
16 Irish + Southeast_English + West_German + West_Scottish @ 6.092619
17 Irish + North_Dutch + West_German + West_Scottish @ 6.096652
18 Irish + North_German + West_German + West_Scottish @ 6.102224
19 Danish + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.104171
20 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + West_German @ 6.104465

my gf's maternal grandfather:

Y R1b1b2a1
MT U5b3b

100% European

Northwestern European
45.5% French & German
27.7% British & Irish
4.3% Scandinavian
0.4% Finnish
21.8% Broadly Northwestern European
0.3% Broadly European

Eurogenes K13:
North_Atlantic 45.54%
Baltic 21.33%
West_Med 14.95%
West_Asian 8.74%
East_Med 5.93%
Red_Sea 2.24%
South_Asian 0.13%
Siberian 0.36%
Oceanian 0.72%

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 3.736138
2 West_German @ 4.522999
3 Southeast_English @ 7.379438
4 Southwest_English @ 8.336303
5 North_German @ 8.372397
6 French @ 8.907539
7 Orcadian @ 8.947030
8 North_Dutch @ 9.133203
9 Irish @ 9.431594
10 Danish @ 9.525852
11 West_Scottish @ 10.040100
12 Norwegian @ 11.920204
13 Austrian @ 12.299888
14 Swedish @ 13.213561
15 East_German @ 14.005446
16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.459927
17 Hungarian @ 17.571913
18 North_Swedish @ 18.628700
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 18.770555
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.780838

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% North_German @ 3.544711


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Tuscan @ 2.712218


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Tuscan @ 2.712218
2 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 2.715393
3 Irish + Irish + North_German + North_Italian @ 2.747537
4 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.770788
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.790410
6 Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 2.871940
7 Irish + Norwegian + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.890718
8 Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian @ 2.894015
9 Irish + North_German + North_Italian + West_Scottish @ 2.895963
10 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.900796
11 Irish + Irish + Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.923447
12 Irish + Irish + North_German + Tuscan @ 2.938615
13 Irish + Irish + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.947503
14 Greek_Thessaly + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.949415
15 Greek_Thessaly + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.960866
16 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.961635
17 Irish + North_Dutch + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.964160
18 Greek_Thessaly + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.981775
19 Danish + Irish + Irish + Tuscan @ 2.996377
20 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.998468

my gf's maternal grandmother

mt K1c1b

99.8% European

Northwestern European
41.8% French & German
23.1% British & Irish
0.8% Scandinavian
28.4% Broadly Northwestern European

Southern European
0.9% Italian
2.1% Broadly Southern European

2.5% Broadly European

0.1% Middle Eastern & North African
0.1% Broadly Middle Eastern & North African
0.2% Unassigned

Eurogenes K13
North_Atlantic 47.81%
Baltic 19.33%
West_Med 11.94%
West_Asian 7.60%
East_Med 9.97%
Red_Sea 1.42%
South_Asian 0.75%
Amerindian 0.36%
Oceanian 0.56%
Sub-Saharan 0.26%

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_German @ 6.545192
2 South_Dutch @ 6.599869
3 Southeast_English @ 7.908690
4 Southwest_English @ 9.765461
5 French @ 9.853268
6 North_German @ 10.089602
7 Orcadian @ 10.214487
8 Danish @ 10.359240
9 North_Dutch @ 10.386683
10 Irish @ 10.839868
11 West_Scottish @ 10.867555
12 Norwegian @ 13.242319
13 Swedish @ 15.099059
14 Austrian @ 15.293633
15 East_German @ 17.247066
16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.782148
17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 19.173803
18 Portuguese @ 19.414501
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 19.764624
20 Hungarian @ 19.811724

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +50% French @ 5.802864


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% West_Scottish @ 4.379249


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.911220
2 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.136990
3 Danish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.153870
4 Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.183745
5 Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.202884
6 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.257644
7 Italian_Abruzzo + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.275694
8 Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 4.379249
9 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 4.391238
10 Italian_Abruzzo + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.406165
11 Danish + Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.418380
12 Danish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 4.429317
13 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 4.440349
14 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 4.457744
15 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 4.490840
16 North_Dutch + Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.497538
17 Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.520894
18 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 4.539440
19 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 4.546628
20 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.559973

ffoucart
08-30-2016, 01:20 PM
A bit off topic, but just for the lolz, you seem to match one of my family members (uncle) on GEDmatch (that is, if your name there is also ffoucart?, kit in question is also french).

Yes, could be.

ancestryfan1994
08-30-2016, 02:28 PM
Yes, could be.

It seems the kit is actually female, with the name beginning with "P" if that helps?

ffoucart
08-30-2016, 03:55 PM
It seems the kit is actually female, with the name beginning with "P" if that helps?

Yes, my gf's mother. Her parents are also on Gedmatch. Should be easy to see if it's an IBD and from which side.

ancestryfan1994
08-30-2016, 06:06 PM
Yes, my gf's mother. Her parents are also on Gedmatch. Should be easy to see if it's an IBD and from which side.

What's the full ethnic background of your GF's mother if you know?

ffoucart
08-30-2016, 07:14 PM
What's the full ethnic background of your GF's mother if you know?

French and Belgian. But with 3 unknown ancestors around 1800 (one abandoned child, one illegitimate from an unknown father). Perhaps also a Non Paternal Event around 1850.

And your uncle?

ancestryfan1994
08-30-2016, 07:46 PM
French and Belgian. But with 3 unknown ancestors around 1800 (one abandoned child, one illegitimate from an unknown father). Perhaps also a Non Paternal Event around 1850.

And your uncle?

For the most part, ethnic Persian.

Ive noticed a few other french related (french Canadian/french) matches here and there for myself and my other family members tested, but its really hard for me to say exactly where this is coming from (providing its a legit match, sometimes i don't trust GEDmatch with these things). I did notice some rather non french pulls in your GF's oracle results, but I'm not sure if they mean much, especially if you say that her documented ancestors are for the most part french/Belgian excluding those three mysteries. I can imagine some sort of french missionary connection, as France and Iran (Persia in those times) have had contact for around 500 years now, but I've yet to find definitive evidence in the sense of a clear pattern of french cousins, or admixture evidence to support french ancestry.

sktibo
09-18-2016, 11:43 AM
I'd really like to see some of the eurogenes k15 if you are alright with posting them