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jatt2016

02-13-2016, 08:04 PM

Hi Folks ,

I would be requesting the experts for some input. National Geographic Geno 2.0 tested my DNA samples and identified by paternal haplogroup as J-CTS2906. Is this the same as J2-M92 or is it J2a1b1?

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I would appreciate any guidance on this matter available. I have the raw snp file in CSV format. Is there anything I can do with it for extra information on my Haplogroup Type?

Thanks and regards,

Jatt2016

jatt2016

02-14-2016, 12:13 AM

Other screen shots from my DNA report :

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Viktor Reznov

02-14-2016, 12:17 AM

Your SNP is a downstream of M92. You can see here:

http://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z8096/

If you hover over the "+15 snps" box you can see that CTS2906 is the same as Z8096.

jatt2016

02-14-2016, 12:26 AM

Your SNP is a downstream of M92. You can see here:

http://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z8096/

If you hover over the "+15 snps" box you can see that CTS2906 is the same as Z8096.

Thanks a lot Victor and this is my raw data from family tree site. A question : why my DNA result show M92 then?

A531+, A91+, BY1142+, BY1357+, BY136_FGC19909_Z18229+, BY1551+, BY1585+, BY1734+, BY20+, BY2510+, BY65_Z18181+, BY763+, BY876+, CTS10031+, CTS10147+, CTS10188+, CTS10229+, CTS103+, CTS10300+, CTS10428+, CTS10433+, CTS10448+, CTS10552+, CTS10572+, CTS10615+, CTS10648+, CTS1066+, CTS10723+, CTS10745+, CTS10761+, CTS10821+, CTS10847+, CTS11012+, CTS11041+, CTS11071+, CTS11088+, CTS11126+, CTS11148+, CTS11190+, CTS11261+, CTS11354+, CTS114+, CTS1141+, CTS11436+, CTS11441+, CTS1148+, CTS11503+, CTS11530+, CTS1164+, CTS11651+, CTS1171+, CTS11710+, CTS11731+, CTS11759+, CTS11816+, CTS11907+, CTS11949+, CTS11970+, CTS12023+, CTS12058+, CTS1216+, CTS12449+, CTS12450+, CTS12578+, CTS1276+, CTS12856+, CTS12933+, CTS12934+, CTS12948+, CTS12950+, CTS12976+, CTS1340+, CTS1353+, CTS1413+, CTS1436+, CTS1633+, CTS1710+, CTS1758+, CTS1806+, CTS191+, CTS202+, CTS2067+, CTS210+, CTS2105+, CTS2134+, CTS2230+, CTS2275+, CTS2284+, CTS2289+, CTS2413+, CTS2488+, CTS2515+, CTS2670+, CTS278+, CTS2800+, CTS2848+, 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jatt2016

02-14-2016, 12:31 AM

Your SNP is a downstream of M92. You can see here:

http://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z8096/

If you hover over the "+15 snps" box you can see that CTS2906 is the same as Z8096.

Hi Viktor :

Just noticed on your profile info that you have M92 too? Does this mean that we share the same paternal DNA. Pardon my ignorance, I am new to this DNA thing and my question might be a dumb one. I am trying to understand things here.

Thanks and regards,

Jatt2016

Ali16

02-15-2016, 11:51 PM

Briefly looking at your results, I believe you are somewhere around H-M69. FTDNA has problems. You need to contact FTDNA and Geno 2.0 and cc: bcg@ftdna.com. You are not in the J haplogroup!

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 12:07 AM

Briefly looking at your results, I believe you are somewhere around H-M69. FTDNA has problems. You need to contact FTDNA and Geno 2.0 and cc: bcg@ftdna.com. You are not in the J haplogroup!

The Haplogroup that was provided to me is by Nat Geo and not FTDNA....check screen shots below :

https://i.gyazo.com/c4ff6b3696f4b0970ba04e3f88071dc9.png

https://i.gyazo.com/faa293709f83fa5fc7ffdc0543019f1e.png

https://i.gyazo.com/ed014975a65cbcfcda8f686131ae055e.png

Is that a full list of positive SNPs ? As Ali mentioned there might be some problem in haplogroup assignment . You doesn't seem to be positive for M172 and M410 which are defining SNPs for J2 and J2a respectively but you are positive for M69 which is defining SNP for haplogroup H

Agamemnon

02-16-2016, 02:26 AM

As far as I can tell, your subclade under CTS2906 is J2a-L556 (http://www.yfull.com/tree/J-L556/). It's a major jewish subclade of M92 IIRC.

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 02:30 AM

Is that a full list of positive SNPs ? As Ali mentioned there might be some problem in haplogroup assignment . You doesn't seem to be positive for M172 and M410 which are defining SNPs for J2 and J2a respectively but you are positive for M69 which is defining SNP for haplogroup H

National Geographic has classified me as J-CTS2906 and if u see the red dots above you would see M172 and M92 there. I have transferred my results to FTDNA and they are reviewing the raw file to classify me. The tested positives should be green, am I right?

https://i.gyazo.com/1f0c014fb33b8c5adf2e438483a33eb2.png

Ali16

02-16-2016, 02:39 AM

Please don't waste your time analyzing the wrong haplogroups. I say that for your own benefit. Wait for FTDNA to fix the problem. Or keep contacting them to make them resolve this situation sooner. Check to see how much green you have under major SNPs under the H haplogroup. Then notice you are not positive for much under J. Then check to see if you are positive under J2b. I'll just state one fact, you can't be H and J. You can't be J2a and J2b. So the greens are false showing false positives. Furthermore, look under each haplogroup, you will have some green under each group.

Agamemnon

02-16-2016, 02:41 AM

Please don't waste your time analyzing the wrong haplogroups. I say that for your own benefit. Wait for FTDNA to fix the problem. Or keep contacting them to make them resolve this situation sooner. Check to see how much green you have under major SNPs under the H haplogroup. Then notice you are not positive for much under J. Then check to see if you are positive under J2b. I'll just state one fact, you can't be H and J. You can't be J2a and J2b. So the greens are false showing false positives. Furthermore, look under each haplogroup, you will have some green under each group.

He tested with National Geographic (Geno 2.0), not FTDNA. His Y-DNA haplogroup is J2a-L556.

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 02:44 AM

He tested with National Geographic (Geno 2.0), not FTDNA. His Y-DNA haplogroup is J2a-L556.

Thank you for saving us from the likely world war 3....I was about to order my troops to advance...but I keep on wondering what has FTDNA to do with my report. I did testing with Nat Geo .

Ali16

02-16-2016, 02:48 AM

FTDNA receives your DNA and does the testing. They send the file to National Genographic. Then you transferred your results to the FTDNA website. In my book, FTDNA has everything to do with the problem, and National Geographic has some culpability too. In the end, you will realize what I'm trying to convey to you.

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 02:50 AM

Please don't waste your time analyzing the wrong haplogroups. I say that for your own benefit. Wait for FTDNA to fix the problem. Or keep contacting them to make them resolve this situation sooner. Check to see how much green you have under major SNPs under the H haplogroup. Then notice you are not positive for much under J. Then check to see if you are positive under J2b. I'll just state one fact, you can't be H and J. You can't be J2a and J2b. So the greens are false showing false positives. Furthermore, look under each haplogroup, you will have some green under each group.

then what is your calculation? what should be the basis of my ground to file a complain with Nat Geo?

Agamemnon

02-16-2016, 02:52 AM

FTDNA receives your DNA and does the testing. They send the file to National Genographic. Then you transferred your results to the FTDNA website. In my book, FTDNA has everything to do with the problem, and National Geographic has some culpability too. In the end, you will realize what I'm trying to convey to you.

Wait, is everyone getting the same Y-DNA results or am I missing something here? I'll admit that J2a-L556 being found in a Punjabi Jatt is rather odd since this marker is mainly found in Ashkenazi Jews.

Ali16

02-16-2016, 02:56 AM

I base what I tell you on my communications with them. If you call, they will tell you it is an IT issue, but that understates the real problem. if the test doesn't show you as positive for M304 or M172, and you are, it would be a more serious problem, don't you think? Just based on that, your results are suspect!

Ali16

02-16-2016, 02:58 AM

Would being H and being a Punjabi Jatt make sense to you?

Agamemnon

02-16-2016, 03:01 AM

Actually after looking at some of the SNPs listed, I notice that several contradict one another, as we have several SNPs under R1b-U106, R1b-L21, E-M35.1 and other markers. I think Ali is right, you should contact these guys and complain.

Would being H and being a Punjabi Jatt make sense to you?

It certainly would make a lot more sense than a (virtually) Jewish-only subclade of M92 with a ~1000 year-old TMRCA, that's for sure :lol:

Ali16

02-16-2016, 03:05 AM

Now imagine how many people are getting the wrong results and don't realize it...

Meanwhile if you could share csv file from Nat Geno we would get a more definitive answer

Ali16

02-16-2016, 03:07 AM

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6206-URGENT-Results-came-and-Help!!-NGE-2-0

Agamemnon

02-16-2016, 03:07 AM

Now imagine how many people are getting the wrong results and don't realize it...

So every customer has been getting J2a-CTS2906? Hahahahahaha this is insane :lol:

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 03:10 AM

Ok guys tell me in plain English language, when i call them or write an email what should i be addressing? I am layman.....and not very well versed with these numbers or should I wait and see what FMTDNA predicts :

https://i.gyazo.com/1f0c014fb33b8c5adf2e438483a33eb2.png

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 03:11 AM

Meanwhile if you could share csv file from Nat Geno we would get a more definitive answer

that's a good idea.. leme upload it somewhere

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 03:15 AM

Meanwhile if you could share csv file from Nat Geno we would get a more definitive answer

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6206-URGENT-Results-came-and-Help!!-NGE-2-0

So every customer has been getting J2a-CTS2906? Hahahahahaha this is insane :lol:

Here is the file . I have uploaded it as under :

http://www.sharecsv.com/s/770bd3f30587b108df3e8b3a809c1e70/N164347_SNPs_20160214.csv

To view the complete lines the file has to be downloaded first.

Ali16

02-16-2016, 03:16 AM

I believe people are getting a lot of false positives. The Geno 2.0 Next Generation chip has issues. Then there is an algorithm that picks your terminal SNP, sometimes incorrectly depending on where in tree the positive SNPs are located. I would guess if you were R, it wouldn't identify you as J-CTS2906, but you may get an incorrect result lower on the tree. Then again maybe your file is incorrect...

Agamemnon

02-16-2016, 03:17 AM

Here is the file . I have uploaded it as under :

http://www.sharecsv.com/s/770bd3f30587b108df3e8b3a809c1e70/N164347_SNPs_20160214.csv

Hm, you already posted these and like I said, the SNPs contradict one another.

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 03:19 AM

Hm, you already posted these and like I said, the SNPs contradict one another.

contradict in what sense?

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 03:22 AM

Do you guys think that FTDNA will correct it themselves because as per their site they are reviewing my haplogroup prediction for accuracy .

Agamemnon

02-16-2016, 03:24 AM

contradict in what sense?

Well, for example, the first SNP is A531, which is a subclade of R1b-U106 (see for yourself (http://www.yfull.com/tree/R-A411/)), then we have A91 which is a subclade of R1b-L21, further down the list we have V32 which is one of E-M78's main branches... And of course, we have CTS2906>J2a-L556.

Ali16

02-16-2016, 03:27 AM

Yes, they will correct it. They know it's a problem. But, I would rather each customer talk about this and jam up their phone lines, fill up their email inboxes. I want them to stop selling kits, stop giving out false results, when they know they are wrong. I want them to realize everyone is upset, and they need to resolve this ASAP. I want them to know how many hours of peoples' lives are wasted discussing this. And, I want the people that don't know better, to second-guess their results and look at them critically. I would like someone to start a class action claim.

Agamemnon

02-16-2016, 03:29 AM

I find all this pretty shocking, if you ask me... And yes, it's also a waste of time. You should complain.

Ali16

02-16-2016, 03:44 AM

You took a screenshot of the J tab with no green, take a screenshot of H. I want to see your green SNPs.

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 03:51 AM

You took a screenshot of the J tab with no green, take a screenshot of H. I want to see your green SNPs.

The green SNPS in H are only three

Pages00049 M69

P194

P80

https://i.gyazo.com/adfaa2b4004d8f687baa9f83d84c5d8b.png

The greens under J are more and from top to bottom they are :

Z18186

PF4888

L254

PF5125

Z515

CTS2906

M102

CTS2015

Ali16

02-16-2016, 03:56 AM

Listen, my friend, there are a lot of contradictions. You can't be H and J. You can't be H1 and H2. You can't be J2a and J2b. That's given, but you are more likely H than any other haplogroup. Now click on each tab and scroll up and down. Are you positive for two or more SNPs on the same line. You will be for F, for example, because F is upstream of H. But, again, H is not upstream of J.

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 04:02 AM

Listen, my friend, there are a lot of contradictions. You can't be H and J. You can't be H1 and H2. You can't be J2a and J2b. That's given, but you are more likely H than any other haplogroup. Now click on each tab and scroll up and down. Are you positive for two or more SNPs on the same line. You will be for F, for example, because F is upstream of H. But, again, H is not upstream of J.

So what you mean to say is that if one has green SNPS under J, he cannot have green Snps under H ......all the greens have to be under one and not under other groups like R, C and U. Is this the issue?

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 04:04 AM

Listen, my friend, there are a lot of contradictions. You can't be H and J. You can't be H1 and H2. You can't be J2a and J2b. That's given, but you are more likely H than any other haplogroup. Now click on each tab and scroll up and down. Are you positive for two or more SNPs on the same line. You will be for F, for example, because F is upstream of H. But, again, H is not upstream of J.

P80 and P194 are on the same line . So is this incorrect?

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 04:10 AM

I find all this pretty shocking, if you ask me... And yes, it's also a waste of time. You should complain.

Listen, my friend, there are a lot of contradictions. You can't be H and J. You can't be H1 and H2. You can't be J2a and J2b. That's given, but you are more likely H than any other haplogroup. Now click on each tab and scroll up and down. Are you positive for two or more SNPs on the same line. You will be for F, for example, because F is upstream of H. But, again, H is not upstream of J.

Can you please list the top 5 contradictions in bullet form..and i will make a case based on it and will send an email to Nat Geo to correct it.

Ali16

02-16-2016, 04:11 AM

Look at the haplogroup tree. Some haplogroups are in a direct line above another. So F splits off into other haplogroups. But, H doesn't split into J. Also, you show positive for H1 and H2. They are separate lines. And the J SNPs are in separate lines.

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 04:15 AM

Look at the haplogroup tree. Some haplogroups are in a direct line above another. So F splits off into other haplogroups. But, H doesn't split into J. Also, you show positive for H1 and H2. They are separate lines. And the J SNPs are in separate lines.

where is the tree? each Alphabet has its on tree...they don't expand under each other in the diagram i have on FTDNA

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 04:16 AM

Look at the haplogroup tree. Some haplogroups are in a direct line above another. So F splits off into other haplogroups. But, H doesn't split into J. Also, you show positive for H1 and H2. They are separate lines. And the J SNPs are in separate lines.

I Show positive under almost all Alphabets..not only H but also R and so so,,,,,,,!

Ali16

02-16-2016, 04:19 AM

You don't need to know any specifics because they know they have a problem. Furthermore, I suggest everyone who gets these false results to complain repeatedly, and when they ignore you, contact your credit card company to dispute the charge.

Ali16

02-16-2016, 04:20 AM

I told you 2 hours ago you are positive in every haplogroup, without even looking at your results.

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 04:20 AM

Look at the haplogroup tree. Some haplogroups are in a direct line above another. So F splits off into other haplogroups. But, H doesn't split into J. Also, you show positive for H1 and H2. They are separate lines. And the J SNPs are in separate lines.

Ok so now i see what u mean is that a person cannot have greens for both H and J at the same time. Is that what you mean?

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 04:21 AM

I will launch a complain and tell them that my results are messed up...how can a person have green snps under H and J at the same time. Is this a good punch line?

Ali16

02-16-2016, 04:22 AM

Yes, you can't be H and R either or H and many of those. You can be F and H, and you can be F and J.

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 04:33 AM

Yes, you can't be H and R either or H and many of those. You can be F and H, and you can be F and J.

Zaberdast ! I will take action and file an email complain first, this was too much for me to understand ! Thank you Ali for your much appreciated guidance...at first i thought u r opening your own DNA testing company and this is some sort of rivalry...like when u read Nissan reviews...the guys from Honda dealership try to ruin their repute and vice versa...:P

Ali16

02-16-2016, 04:44 AM

I wish someone would bankrupt Bennett Greenspan, but only because he has not once responded in an appropriate way. He needs to put out a public statement, apologize, explain the problem, and explain how he will resolve it.

Agamemnon

02-16-2016, 03:04 PM

I1, I2, J2, R1b, E1b1b, H... You can't carry all these haplogroups at the same time, that's what you should tell 'em.

Here is the file . I have uploaded it as under :

http://www.sharecsv.com/s/770bd3f30587b108df3e8b3a809c1e70/N164347_SNPs_20160214.csv

To view the complete lines the file has to be downloaded first.

This is file you downloaded from ftdna . I was asking for the one from national geographic site which would have the actual readings

I believe people are getting a lot of false positives. The Geno 2.0 Next Generation chip has issues. Then there is an algorithm that picks your terminal SNP, sometimes incorrectly depending on where in tree the positive SNPs are located. I would guess if you were R, it wouldn't identify you as J-CTS2906, but you may get an incorrect result lower on the tree. Then again maybe your file is incorrect...

During the transfer to ftdna of old Geno 2.0 kits ftdna reported some false positives but the actual readings in the raw data file was negative . Ftdna somehow misread them . I think same kind of problem happened this time .

jatt2016

02-16-2016, 11:05 PM

This is file you downloaded from ftdna . I was asking for the one from national geographic site which would have the actual readings

National Geographic does not provide this file directly, you have to transfer the results to FTDNA to get this file.

Thanks,

jatt2016

02-17-2016, 12:03 AM

During the transfer to ftdna of old Geno 2.0 kits ftdna reported some false positives but the actual readings in the raw data file was negative . Ftdna somehow misread them . I think same kind of problem happened this time .

You might be right on this one that it could be purely a FTDNA issue and they must have messed up the file on their end when it got transferred. In that case, it would not impact my Nat geo results. I have brought this matter to the attention of both Nat Geo and FTDNA and waiting for their response. Guessing that it will take atleast 3-5 business days for them to make the first contact ! i have my fingers crossed...lets see what comes out of the hat !:)

Ali16

02-17-2016, 01:59 AM

Join my project: https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join-request.aspx?group=TheJ-L581-Y-DNAHap&vGroup=l581

jatt2016

02-17-2016, 02:09 AM

During the transfer to ftdna of old Geno 2.0 kits ftdna reported some false positives but the actual readings in the raw data file was negative . Ftdna somehow misread them . I think same kind of problem happened this time .

Join my project: https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join-request.aspx?group=TheJ-L581-Y-DNAHap&vGroup=l581

I have researched the topic of transferring the results from Nat Geo to FTDNA....and my guess is that FTDNA does not have full compatibility with NAT GEO

"However, if your SNP is new on the Geno 2.0 chip, then you won’t be able to see your terminal SNP on your personal page at Family Tree DNA, yet, so be sure to make note of your terminal SNP from your National Geographic results. Some Geno 2.0 results at Family Tree DNA today show an upstream SNP, and others show no SNP at all.

This is one of those good news/bad news situations. The good news is that we are functioning on the leading, sometimes bleeding edge of science and get to play a very important role, which is exciting. The bad news is that we’re bleeding a bit right now. Family Tree DNA really can’t fix this problem until a new haplotree is in place.

green giantThe problem is that haplogroup/subgroup discoveries are being made so rapidly that the haplotree is in a bit of a state of flux….OK, a big state of flux, which will take some time to sort through. More, many more, discoveries than ever expected continue to be made as more kits are run through the process. Let’s just say we’re having some minor growing pains. But what a great problem to have. We already knew that Geno 2.0 would change the tree dramatically, but we really had no idea HOW dramatically. Now I’m wondering if we’ll even recognize it! What we thought was a tree was only a sprout. And it’s still growing!"

Source :http://dna-explained.com/2013/01/13/transferring-results-from-national-geographic-to-family-tree-dna/

Ali16

02-17-2016, 02:14 AM

Click on the orange link under your main page to the right of Genographic Transfer. That is your data file. M172 is T, M69 is C

jatt2016

02-17-2016, 02:28 AM

Click on the orange link under your main page to the right of Genographic Transfer. That is your data file. M172 is T, M69 is C

main page on which website?

Ali16

02-17-2016, 02:33 AM

FTDNA

jatt2016

02-17-2016, 02:35 AM

FTDNA

Thanks...is it different from the file I provided yesterday? I have uploaded this one for view

http://www.sharecsv.com/s/43cb3f0da22b8f9e64d73a273679a62b/N164347_YDNA_SNPs_20160216new.csv

you have to download to view the full entries.

jatt2016

02-17-2016, 02:38 AM

the result column shows GG, TT, CC, AA, GG status what are these abbreviations for?

Ali16

02-17-2016, 02:43 AM

ATCG are the bases in DNA.A stands for Adenine.T for Thymine.C for Cytosine.G for Guanine. When you are positive for a SNP, it is because there was a mutation and the letter changes. It shows you are negative for M172, and positive for M69. And, your screenshot from NG shows M172 in your paternal line.

jatt2016

02-17-2016, 02:56 AM

ATCG are the bases in DNA.A stands for Adenine.T for Thymine.C for Cytosine.G for Guanine. When you are positive for a SNP, it is because there was a mutation and the letter changes. It shows you are negative for M172, and positive for M69. And, your screenshot from NG shows M172 in your paternal line.

Could be RAW file transfer issue on FTDNA site...I have already placed a ticket with NAT GEO. Lets wait and see what they say. Do u know how the transfer actually works? the mechanics and the error risks during the transfer?

Ali16

02-17-2016, 03:01 AM

I think the biggest issues are false positives on the new chip as you can see. But, I feel confident you are H-M69 or somewhere near there.

jatt2016

02-17-2016, 03:04 AM

I think the biggest issues are false positives on the new chip as you can see. But, I feel confident you are H-M69 or somewhere near there.

I see , looking bluntly on this issue of my being H or J....my question would be :

Why would I have 8 green SNps under J and just 2 under H?

If there are more under J...does it not mean that the chances of my being J are more than Being H.May be H is the false positive?

parasar

02-17-2016, 04:39 AM

I see , looking bluntly on this issue of my being H or J....my question would be :

Why would I have 8 green SNps under J and just 2 under H?

If there are more under J...does it not mean that the chances of my being J are more than Being H.May be H is the false positive?

Are you M92+ as well as CTS2906+ and M69+?

Something looks seriously wrong.

jatt2016

02-17-2016, 04:50 AM

Are you M92+ as well as CTS2906+ and M69+?

Something looks seriously wrong.

Yes something is wrong with the transferred FTDNA file but my results from Nat Geo are J-CTS2906.

Ali16

02-17-2016, 10:53 AM

H has less SNPs, in general, and you are positive for two main ones. But, they have not yet found other SNPs that you are positive for, so only two. There are just more J SNPs. You are negative for the main J SNPs. You are positive for J SNPs that are scattered in different areas of the tree. J1, J2a, J2b. Why are you eagerly awaiting a J result?

jatt2016

02-17-2016, 11:25 AM

H has less SNPs, in general, and you are positive for two main ones. But, they have not yet found other SNPs that you are positive for, so only two. There are just more J SNPs. You are negative for the main J SNPs. You are positive for J SNPs that are scattered in different areas of the tree. J1, J2a, J2b. Why are you eagerly awaiting a J result?

I do not think that a credible org like National Geographic can be that dumb to assign a false positive Haplogroup to a person. There is obviously something missing- a gap that has occurred during the file transfer to FTDNA and FTDNA has not even assigned me a Haplogroup yet. In the absence of any official/documented reply/clarification from FTDNA about their CVS file it is safe to rely on NAT GEO results which is a J. H seems highly unlikely in this case. Its more of a transfer of file issue and most probably FTDNA has a glitch on their end and we have to wait for their reply before jumping in to a conclusion.

jatt2016

02-17-2016, 11:26 AM

H has less SNPs, in general, and you are positive for two main ones. But, they have not yet found other SNPs that you are positive for, so only two. There are just more J SNPs. You are negative for the main J SNPs. You are positive for J SNPs that are scattered in different areas of the tree. J1, J2a, J2b. Why are you eagerly awaiting a J result?

What is your Haplogroup?

Ali16

02-17-2016, 11:54 AM

Indeed NG IS more "dumb" than you can imagine. On NG, I am PF5005, on FTDNA I am PF5061. Originally, the "credible org" assigned me M340, which I was clearly negative for (it wasn't a false positive, it was a plain old negative) ... These things happen.

This is what being positive for J would show:

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I do not think that a credible org like National Geographic can be that dumb to assign a false positive Haplogroup to a person. There is obviously something missing- a gap that has occurred during the file transfer to FTDNA and FTDNA has not even assigned me a Haplogroup yet. In the absence of any official/documented reply/clarification from FTDNA about their CVS file it is safe to rely on NAT GEO results which is a J. H seems highly unlikely in this case. Its more of a transfer of file issue and most probably FTDNA has a glitch on their end and we have to wait for their reply before jumping in to a conclusion.

National Geographic in this case is clearly wrong .

You are not J .You are not positive for any of Basal J SNPs . But you are positive for M69 and Pages49 which are SNPs at H1 level.So you are most likely H1

parasar

02-17-2016, 07:26 PM

I do not think that a credible org like National Geographic can be that dumb to assign a false positive Haplogroup to a person. There is obviously something missing- a gap that has occurred during the file transfer to FTDNA and FTDNA has not even assigned me a Haplogroup yet. In the absence of any official/documented reply/clarification from FTDNA about their CVS file it is safe to rely on NAT GEO results which is a J. H seems highly unlikely in this case. Its more of a transfer of file issue and most probably FTDNA has a glitch on their end and we have to wait for their reply before jumping in to a conclusion.

While it best to wait and see how the company resolves it, as far as genetic genealogy is concerned there is not that much of a difference.

I think non-South Asian Y-J and Y-H lines split from European ones in the Neolithic or earlier.

At the top GHIJ are related anyway with their distinguishing feature being that they are not East Eurasian. On the other had DE, C, F, KxLT, all have East Eurasian lines. That is the reason I consider Y-H in South Asia to be West Eurasian. http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2165-Y-dna-MP-node-and-evidence-for-its-location-from-archaic-hominid-mixing&p=30842&viewfull=1#post30842

Ali16

02-18-2016, 09:07 PM

Case in point from National Geographic website:

"H-M69 JustinJoseph831 My parents are from South India. I wasn't surprised to see the results of my mother who is M3 haplogroup, however, I was surprised to see my father's haplogroup is R-PF7580, which is a rare haplogroup. It would be interesting to know who amongst the people I've shared my DNA results with, I am related to. They later changed my father's haplogroup to M69, which makes more sense, it is more closely related to Indians and now it confirms my father's side of the story."

jatt2016

02-25-2016, 03:53 AM

Indeed NG IS more "dumb" than you can imagine. On NG, I am PF5005, on FTDNA I am PF5061. Originally, the "credible org" assigned me M340, which I was clearly negative for (it wasn't a false positive, it was a plain old negative) ... These things happen.

This is what being positive for J would show:

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National Geographic in this case is clearly wrong .

You are not J .You are not positive for any of Basal J SNPs . But you are positive for M69 and Pages49 which are SNPs at H1 level.So you are most likely H1

While it best to wait and see how the company resolves it, as far as genetic genealogy is concerned there is not that much of a difference.

I think non-South Asian Y-J and Y-H lines split from European ones in the Neolithic or earlier.

At the top GHIJ are related anyway with their distinguishing feature being that they are not East Eurasian. On the other had DE, C, F, KxLT, all have East Eurasian lines. That is the reason I consider Y-H in South Asia to be West Eurasian. http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2165-Y-dna-MP-node-and-evidence-for-its-location-from-archaic-hominid-mixing&p=30842&viewfull=1#post30842

I1, I2, J2, R1b, E1b1b, H... You can't carry all these haplogroups at the same time, that's what you should tell 'em.

Ok guys one update from FTDNA is that they have categorized me as F-M89. Now my next question is since Nat Geo has classified me as J-CTS2906, what is the difference between J-CTS2906 and F-M89 ?

https://i.gyazo.com/a26907d9aa5991d6fcb166c764d6f653.png

parasar

02-25-2016, 04:40 AM

Ok guys one update from FTDNA is that they have categorized me as F-M89. Now my next question is since Nat Geo has classified me as J-CTS2906, what is the difference between J-CTS2906 and F-M89 ?

...

All Js and Hs are F-M89. The vast bulk of non-Africans are M89. So this does not help resolve whether you are H or J as M89 is common to both as it upstream of both.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7314_nsGxkU/UfrlVzgqgSI/AAAAAAAAI_I/zGmoi0R5-Jw/s1600/F2.large.jpg

jatt2016

02-25-2016, 11:35 AM

All Js and Hs are F-M89. The vast bulk of non-Africans are M89. So this does not help resolve whether you are H or J as M89 is common to both as it upstream of both.

so in other words, the played it safe !:) its like they were to confirm the gender and they came out with " O yes this is a human. No to worry, NAT GEO is reviewing my results and has open an investigation case.

Ali16

02-25-2016, 06:01 PM

Look at that as true, but not necessarily your terminal SNP. FTDNA is not done. This result has temporarily happened to other people in your situation. You are not J-CTS2906, so forget about that. You are F-M89, but that is not likely the end of the story. It should be noted that there some F* individuals, which means they are not positive for any haplogroup downstream of F.

However, the chances are that one day you will be listed as H on both websites.

SHAME ON FTDNA for taking more than a month to resolve this problem!!!!!!

For $17.50 (and dare I say faster results), you can supplement your test: http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=6639&osCsid=082dc2b8bc7e8afb64aec32a2d887b18

This will end your misery.

jatt2016

02-26-2016, 01:36 AM

Look at that as true, but not necessarily your terminal SNP. FTDNA is not done. This result has temporarily happened to other people in your situation. You are not J-CTS2906, so forget about that. You are F-M89, but that is not likely the end of the story. It should be noted that there some F* individuals, which means they are not positive for any haplogroup downstream of F.

However, the chances are that one day you will be listed as H on both websites.

SHAME ON FTDNA for taking more than a month to resolve this problem!!!!!!

For $17.50 (and dare I say faster results), you can supplement your test: http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=6639&osCsid=082dc2b8bc7e8afb64aec32a2d887b18

This will end your misery.

National Geographic is in process of reviewing my DNA Data and has opened an investigation case. Their customer care rep have assured me that they are going to notify me as soon as the case is resolved.

Ali16

03-16-2016, 01:39 PM

Call your credit card and dispute the charge! They need to be impacted financially so that they resolve this situation. Think about it ... when did you order your test, November??

Ali16

03-29-2016, 01:38 PM

I received an e-mail that Geno 2.0 is on sale...hmm, they haven't resolved their issues, yet they are trying to sell more kits... They need to be boycotted.

jatt2016

04-01-2016, 12:25 AM

Call your credit card and dispute the charge! They need to be impacted financially so that they resolve this situation. Think about it ... when did you order your test, November??

I have got the following response from Nat Geno :

Hello,

Thank you for contacting The Genographic Project, I have requested that the Raw Data regarding the results of your kit:XT3V6P8Y4L be reviewed. As soon as I hear anything back from this investigation, I will notify you immediately.

I deeply apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you, your patience and understanding throughout this entire process has been greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,

Alyssa G

Information Specialist

what is the difference between the two Y Snp files that one can download from :

1. From clicking on the Haplotree & SNPs Tab

and.

2 From clicking on the Download Y-DNA SNp's as CSV

Thanks

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jatt2016

04-01-2016, 12:49 AM

found the answer :

Once you do a transfer to FTDNA you get three CSV files. One for Y-DNA with all of the 13, 600+ SNPs tested and their alleles, an mtDNA CSV file with some of the SNPs tested, and a Y-DNA CSV file with just the positive SNPs. The two Y-DNA SNP files confuse people because they have the exact same name but are located in two different places and have different results. The FTDNA haplotree only shows the positive results from Geno 2.0

Ali16

04-02-2016, 02:55 AM

It's been a very long time, I hope these investigators don't get paid by the hour.

jatt2016

04-02-2016, 03:17 AM

It's been a very long time, I hope these investigators don't get paid by the hour.

Well, I am going to give them 8 weeks...because just in case they are redoing the testing, analyzing it took the same amount of time the first time they did provide me results with. Definitely disappointing but what else can u do?

jatt2016

04-02-2016, 03:20 AM

It's been a very long time, I hope these investigators don't get paid by the hour.

and this is what I got from the FTDNA team :

Dear Ahmad,

Thank you for your reply. I do not have any specifics yet but I will report back once I have more information from them.

Sent: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 03:30:29 +0000 (UTC)

To: Family Tree DNA Helpdesk <helpdesk@familytreedna.com>

Subject: Re: Update on Your Request {388557}

Thank you Darren for forwarding the case to your data assurance team. I have confidence in your team's expertise and that they will get to the root of the issue. I would be very interested to know about the source of the discrepancy ; whether it was a lab error, false positive/data analysis discrepancy or something else. What struck me as a surprise was that I am not tested positive for the basal J SNP namely M172 and M410 which are the defining SNPs for J2 and J2a but then I had CTS2906 as green under the J , and positives under all other haplogroups too.

I remain waiting for the findings of your data assurance team.

Regards,

Ahmad

Ali16

04-02-2016, 02:47 PM

Well, if they were redoing the test, that would be useful information. In fact, it would place all minds at ease. However, they clearly don't say that so I cannot conclude that that is what they are doing. If I paid for the test, I would dispute the credit card charge and get a refund. Then I'd order the test for $17.50. If I was positive, I'd take that information and live with it. I would recommend this to EVERYONE that is in this situation. I'm just writing it here, to you, because it is easy.

jatt2016

04-02-2016, 03:53 PM

Well, if they were redoing the test, that would be useful information. In fact, it would place all minds at ease. However, they clearly don't say that so I cannot conclude that that is what they are doing. If I paid for the test, I would dispute the credit card charge and get a refund. Then I'd order the test for $17.50. If I was positive, I'd take that information and live with it. I would recommend this to EVERYONE that is in this situation. I'm just writing it here, to you, because it is easy.

You had similar problem with your results. How much time did it take for them to resolve your case?

Ali16

04-04-2016, 07:03 PM

My problem was neither similar nor widespread. As soon as Spencer Wells called me, it was resolved very quickly, I can't recall exactly how many days. Without his help, it may have never been resolved! This is what I fear is going to happen.

jatt2016

04-05-2016, 12:28 AM

My problem was neither similar nor widespread. As soon as Spencer Wells called me, it was resolved very quickly, I can't recall exactly how many days. Without his help, it may have never been resolved! This is what I fear is going to happen.

Lucky you!

Ali16

04-06-2016, 01:04 PM

It's your hard earned money, and your reliance on incorrect information. But if you are patient, that's all that counts!

Ali16

04-06-2016, 08:20 PM

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/R1b1c_U106-S21/conversations/messages/42150

Ali16

05-10-2016, 06:03 PM

What is the verdict? I believe your results should be updated.

Agamemnon

05-10-2016, 06:32 PM

Is this still going on BTW?

Ali16

05-10-2016, 06:39 PM

YES. A kit was just corrected today. I had some minor issues on two other kits that were corrected in the last week. This has been an absolute embarrassment for FTDNA and National Geographic. It's just a shame the news has not spread all over the internet. Incidentally, I had some complaints on my part of the tree, they have corrected their tree too.

khanabadoshi

05-12-2016, 11:23 AM

I think -- I'm not sure -- the Hashemite line is supposedly J1e. Other users may be more knowledgeable in this matter.

wmehar

05-12-2016, 03:31 PM

This seriously got way too out of hand. I don't care who said what but if both of you call yourself Muslims, then this is no way to be talking to each other. Charge or no charge, dispute credit card whatever it's all meaningless.

If you really want to learn about the Prophet's SAW and Ali's RA lineage and probable Y haplogroup/subclade I'll refer you to here: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Qurayishj1c3d/

This study is premised upon Quraysh testing and coming up L859+ while FGC8703+ individuals are descendants of Hashem clan. The pattern showing that nearly all L859+ claimed Quraysh lineage, and then FGC8703 and further downstream happened to all claim Hashem lineage consistently.

In other words, I'm trying to say you wouldn't find (maybe incredibly rarely) Banu Dulaim, Banu Awan, Banu 'Azd or Bani Salih etc. testing positive for L859 and downstream. Thus the consensus and circumstantial results point to the indication that this must be the Abrahamic/Prophetic line. I won't argue if whether or not it's 100% factual, but the logic is consistent enough for me to assume so for now.

Otherwise, just shake hands, forgive the angry/comments and behaviors man. Bond over the fact you two think DNA is cool and that it's super interesting. I'm Punjabi Arrain and I didn't end up being H but R1a, Ahmed is punjabi too so his guess is as good as anyone's that it can be J2, (because there are still plenty in Pakistan/Afghanistan), R1a, H, J1 (if you're that Peer Mashhadi Syed guy from Pakistan who happens to be J-L859+ and FGC8703+ see: https://www.facebook.com/Irfan.MashhadiOfficial/).

I think you both should cool it and realize you're both just got a little hot headed and it's not a big deal.

I leave you both with this Hadith from the Prophet pbuh:

Once during the time of the Prophet, a hypocrite named Qays ibn Mutatiyah tried to pour scorn and disgrace on sections of the community. Qays had come upon a study circle (halqah) in which were Salman al-Farsi (a Persian), Suhayb ar-Rumi (a Greek) and Bilal al-Habashi (an Ethiopian), may God be pleased with them, and remarked:

"The Aws and the Khazraj have stood up in defence of this man (Muhammad). And what are these people doing with him'?"

Muadh was furious and informed the Prophet of what Qays had said. The Prophet was very angry. He entered the mosque and the Call to Prayer was given, for this was the method of summoning the Muslims for an important announcement. Then he stood up, praised and glorified God and said:

"Your Lord is One. Your ancestor is one. Your religion is one. Take heed. Arabism is not conferred on you through your mother or father. It is through the tongue (i.e. the language of Arabic), so whoever speaks Arabic, he is an Arab.

speedyran

05-12-2016, 07:47 PM

This seriously got way too out of hand. I don't care who said what but if both of you call yourself Muslims, then this is no way to be talking to each other. Charge or no charge, dispute credit card whatever it's all meaningless.

If you really want to learn about the Prophet's SAW and Ali's RA lineage and probable Y haplogroup/subclade I'll refer you to here: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Qurayishj1c3d/

This study is premised upon Quraysh testing and coming up L859+ while FGC8703+ individuals are descendants of Hashem clan. The pattern showing that nearly all L859+ claimed Quraysh lineage, and then FGC8703 and further downstream happened to all claim Hashem lineage consistently.

In other words, I'm trying to say you wouldn't find (maybe incredibly rarely) Banu Dulaim, Banu Awan, Banu 'Azd or Bani Salih etc. testing positive for L859 and downstream. Thus the consensus and circumstantial results point to the indication that this must be the Abrahamic/Prophetic line. I won't argue if whether or not it's 100% factual, but the logic is consistent enough for me to assume so for now.

Otherwise, just shake hands, forgive the angry/comments and behaviors man. Bond over the fact you two think DNA is cool and that it's super interesting. I'm Punjabi Arrain and I didn't end up being H but R1a, Ahmed is punjabi too so his guess is as good as anyone's that it can be J2, (because there are still plenty in Pakistan/Afghanistan), R1a, H, J1 (if you're that Peer Mashhadi Syed guy from Pakistan who happens to be J-L859+ and FGC8703+ see: https://www.facebook.com/Irfan.MashhadiOfficial/).

So Ali16, it would be foolish to keep presuming that' he need's to accept his H haplogroup and then push comes to shove that he winds up J2.

So Ahmed/Punjabi Jatt, it's foolish to jump to assumptions that Ali16 is egotistical Shia who has a hard time accepting the prophet's lineage being anything else than J2.

I think you both should cool it and realize you're both just got a little hot headed and it's not a big deal.

I leave you both with this Hadith from the Prophet pbuh:

Once during the time of the Prophet, a hypocrite named Qays ibn Mutatiyah tried to pour scorn and disgrace on sections of the community. Qays had come upon a study circle (halqah) in which were Salman al-Farsi (a Persian), Suhayb ar-Rumi (a Greek) and Bilal al-Habashi (an Ethiopian), may God be pleased with them, and remarked:

"The Aws and the Khazraj have stood up in defence of this man (Muhammad). And what are these people doing with him'?"

Muadh was furious and informed the Prophet of what Qays had said. The Prophet was very angry. He entered the mosque and the Call to Prayer was given, for this was the method of summoning the Muslims for an important announcement. Then he stood up, praised and glorified God and said:

"Your Lord is One. Your ancestor is one. Your religion is one. Take heed. Arabism is not conferred on you through your mother or father. It is through the tongue (i.e. the language of Arabic), so whoever speaks Arabic, he is an Arab.

If you are a Punjabi Arrain, then probably your family roots are in Punjab, India?

wmehar

05-12-2016, 07:50 PM

If you are a Punjabi Arrain, then probably your family roots are in Punjab, India?

Yep! My father's family emigrated to Lahore, Pakistan from Amritsar, India, probably 3 or so generations back. His mother's side came from Jalandhar, I believe before then.

speedyran

05-12-2016, 07:50 PM

Would being H and being a Punjabi Jatt make sense to you?

Do you know what is the frequency of H amongst Punjabi Jatts or Punjabis in general?

speedyran

05-12-2016, 07:52 PM

Yep! My father's family emigrated to Lahore, Pakistan from Amritsar, India, probably 3 or so generations back. His mother's side came from Jalandhar, I believe before then.

Excellent, thank you for informing.

Dr_McNinja

05-12-2016, 07:58 PM

There's plenty of H (and J) among Punjabis:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xm5xp5Qxk8N8kSortwFU5Qr-KWCGNKsYgdT5Mnv8kDc

Even found in the occasional Afghan.

I'm deleting the argumentative posts. Leave that stuff out of this thread.

Ali16

05-12-2016, 08:04 PM

Thank you!

Svabinsky

05-12-2016, 09:25 PM

Slightly off topic. I recently received my results from 23andMe and it spit out my paternal haplogroup as "J2a1b1*". Is that the same thing as J-M92? Or is only J2a1b1 without the asterisk J-M92 and J2a1b1 with an * is something altogether different? I can trace my father's line to the 1780s (when the paper trail starts) and, per the paper trail, they were all Ashkenazi Jews from, what today is, the very western part of Czech Republic, bordering Germany. I have read that the J-M92 subclade is found among Ashkenazi so, I guess, the group assignment would make sense. I have no idea if I am part of the L556 group, as I have not idea how to read the raw DNA data from 23andMe but, I suspect, it is a possibility. It certainly would corroborate the paper trail.

J2 group is actually found in India, albeit in low concentrations. I believe that in the J2a group L534 is and in J2b group M241 is as well (http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtml). The thing with DNA is that it raises more questions than it provides answers. You may very well be a J2a1b1. If you are, in fact, a J-M92, it probably made its way into your DNA a long long long time ago.

khanabadoshi

05-13-2016, 06:35 PM

It is better to argue such things with evidence and in private messages. Copy/pasting your PMs and posting it on here to malign the other is, I think, in poor taste.

Agamemnon

05-13-2016, 07:30 PM

Moderator: Posts deleted. I don't usually send threats, I warn only once. So let me tell you how this is gonna work... The moment you start violating the forum's ToS I'll be closing this thread and handing out infractions.

wmehar

05-13-2016, 07:47 PM

Slightly off topic. I recently received my results from 23andMe and it spit out my paternal haplogroup as "J2a1b1*". Is that the same thing as J-M92? Or is only J2a1b1 without the asterisk J-M92 and J2a1b1 with an * is something altogether different? I can trace my father's line to the 1780s (when the paper trail starts) and, per the paper trail, they were all Ashkenazi Jews from, what today is, the very western part of Czech Republic, bordering Germany. I have read that the J-M92 subclade is found among Ashkenazi so, I guess, the group assignment would make sense. I have no idea if I am part of the L556 group, as I have not idea how to read the raw DNA data from 23andMe but, I suspect, it is a possibility. It certainly would corroborate the paper trail.

J2 group is actually found in India, albeit in low concentrations. I believe that in the J2a group L534 is and in J2b group M241 is as well (http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtml). The thing with DNA is that it raises more questions than it provides answers. You may very well be a J2a1b1. If you are, in fact, a J-M92, it probably made its way into your DNA a long long long time ago.

To be frank, I started getting into this DNA gig after long hand notation of SNP's were fading out. I did find this though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M172

Check towards the bottom table where they have J-M92, they show different longhand notations of different conventions for the SNP. Look as though recently it has been known as J2a1b1 as you mentioned. But I don't see any reference to J2a1b1*. From what I've read, the " * " means that J-M92 is their terminal SNP and will not likely test positive for downstream SNP's. Can anyone confirm/clarify this? I've been kind of wondering myself.

Ali16

05-13-2016, 09:23 PM

The asterisk means the individual did not test positive for any known downstream SNPs that were tested. But, you have to find out which downstream SNPs were tested negative to see if you can supplement your test or if there needs to be further research to find new SNPs on your line. To be sure, you also need to understand their naming convention to know which SNP that designation pertains to. J2a1b1 may mean different things to different people, whereas M92 means the same to everyone. And, J2a1b1 may mean something different depending on which year you tested.

Svabinsky

05-14-2016, 12:00 AM

The asterisk means the individual did not test positive for any known downstream SNPs that were tested. But, you have to find out which downstream SNPs were tested negative to see if you can supplement your test or if there needs to be further research to find new SNPs on your line. To be sure, you also need to understand their naming convention to know which SNP that designation pertains to. J2a1b1 may mean different things to different people, whereas M92 means the same to everyone. And, J2a1b1 may mean something different depending on which year you tested.

I just tested, about a month ago via 23andMe, so the result is completely fresh. J2a1b1* is what 23andMe gave me. From what I understand though, 23andMe test only a small portion of the total, correct? Testing the full sequence with Y-111 with FTDNA would give me a more accurate result, correct (i.e. let me know if I am J-L556)?

I know that my mtDNA came back as H7 on 23andMe but when I ran in through James Lick's app, H7 came back as an imperfect match because of an "extra" and because of untested SNPs. I guess, with 23andMe, the closest estimate is your assigned group.

Ali16

05-14-2016, 12:30 AM

When they give your results do you get a file or a list of SNPs? I'm not familiar with 23andme. Those are two different types of test. What are you trying to accomplish with genetic testing?

Svabinsky

05-14-2016, 12:54 AM

When they give your results do you get a file or a list of SNPs? I'm not familiar with 23andme. Those are two different types of test. What are you trying to accomplish with genetic testing?

You get a raw DNA file which looks like this:

# rsid chromosome position genotype

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i5004379 Y 2655324 C

i5004380 Y 2655325 --

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i5004384 Y 2655368 G

i5004383 Y 2655375 G

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i5004378 Y 2655442 A

i5004369 Y 2655592 C

i5004370 Y 2655641 G

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i3000043 Y 2658271 G

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i4000122 Y 2663889 --

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rs11538309 Y 2712237 A

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rs35284970 Y 2734854 C

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i4000121 Y 2750408 A

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i4000118 Y 2888678 D

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i5900148 Y 3958657 --

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rs72494959 Y 25342399 T

rs56039110 Y 27035220 A

rs4134449 Y 28462106 --

i5900217 Y 28472440 --

rs13304742 Y 28495967 --

rs2890631 Y 28498366 --

rs894115 Y 28509344 --

rs1808877 Y 28509482 --

rs2381233 Y 28509650 T

rs3955025 Y 28526939 --

rs2890638 Y 28538621 --

rs2890646 Y 28539062 --

rs2197023 Y 28568089 C

rs16981830 Y 28582937 A

rs4008412 Y 28582941 --

rs9785699 Y 28590278 G

rs9306850 Y 28606269 T

rs9786795 Y 28650343 G

rs7067481 Y 28664607 --

rs4079036 Y 28688867 --

rs1809143 Y 28688884 --

rs2381315 Y 28693558 A

rs1358368 Y 28733101 C

rs9786773 Y 28758193 --

rs9785969 Y 28769098 C

rs4261065 Y 28793765 A

rs4261066 Y 28793797 --

rs9786292 Y 28793898 G

i4990107 Y 28794400 --

rs9786879 Y 28797325 A

rs9785919 Y 28797422 --

rs4503289 Y 28802596 --

rs9785669 Y 28815656 --

rs9786231 Y 28815765 T

rs9786544 Y 28815829 --

rs9786106 Y 28816703 --

rs7067333 Y 28816870 --

rs7067396 Y 28817191 --

rs7067395 Y 28817420 --

rs7067533 Y 28817494 --

rs7067270 Y 28817559 --

rs7067446 Y 28817579 G

rs7067479 Y 28817636 --

rs7067343 Y 28817981 --

rs7067386 Y 28818057 G

rs9782780 Y 58862427 A

rs4040822 Y 58883724 --

rs4893814 Y 58968724 C

rs4576608 Y 58968888 G

rs4579697 Y 58969145 --

rs4491015 Y 58969146 C

rs2047088 Y 58970248 C

rs2641200 Y 58977087 A

rs9969985 Y 58992138 A

rs4893685 Y 58994825 T

rs4893742 Y 59001620 --

rs4893674 Y 59001792 C

rs7067504 Y 59002627 T

rs7067511 Y 59002734 C

rs5013140 Y 59002815 A

rs5013141 Y 59002817 T

rs9320084 Y 59002952 T

rs2906316 Y 59003059 A

rs2527432 Y 59003276 --

rs2140186 Y 59003648 T

rs2527428 Y 59003711 A

rs2527425 Y 59004146 --

rs4893734 Y 59005435 C

rs2641153 Y 59005909 A

rs4256760 Y 59006873 C

rs2333816 Y 59009148 --

rs2201323 Y 59009156 A

rs6568334 Y 59009372 A

rs4370713 Y 59013076 T

rs2201322 Y 59013541 --

rs4089004 Y 59013581 --

rs4047582 Y 59013938 T

rs4047592 Y 59015026 A

rs2527417 Y 59015256 --

rs3855803 Y 59016530 C

rs3878828 Y 59016621 C

rs4399100 Y 59016951 G

rs4117021 Y 59017751 --

rs4047594 Y 59018763 --

rs2527410 Y 59019553 C

rs2527409 Y 59019609 G

rs6568303 Y 59022991 C

rs6568300 Y 59024022 --

rs1809774 Y 59024971 A

rs2641125 Y 59025396 A

rs7892991 Y 59026383 T

rs2333787 Y 59026862 --

rs10442591 Y 59026910 A

rs2641123 Y 59027434 --

rs4893711 Y 59027575 C

rs4047329 Y 59027910 A

rs28698289 Y 59028502 G

rs2334088 Y 59029364 A

rs6568298 Y 59029728 T

rs4047343 Y 59030922 G

rs6568294 Y 59031514 C

rs2334083 Y 59032331 C

rs9724556 Y 59032809 C

Ali16

05-14-2016, 12:55 AM

Check this out: http://j2-m172.info/info/y-dna-tests/23andme-j2-haplogroups-snps/

You can download a converter.

Ali16

05-14-2016, 01:05 AM

It looks like if you tested with Geno 2.0 you would have been tested for a number of downstream SNPs. This is the FTDNA tree (I'm on my phone so it's hard for me to compare all the different trees and what SNPs are tested):

9295

Ali16

05-14-2016, 01:11 AM

I'm not trying to sell you a product, but you may be able to order a cluster of SNPs at FTDNA, but I think you have to do an STR test as well. I'm not really sure about how they package these tests for sale. You may want to look into it though. They may have a Father's Day sale next month.

Svabinsky

05-14-2016, 04:20 AM

I appreciate the website Ali. I will take a look at it. I think I will do the full Y-111 with FTDNA. 23andMe tests only about 20% of your total DNA. They can tell your haplogroup based on the HVRs but, for the downstream SNPs and a more precise/accurate reading it seems that Geno 2.0 or the full 111 at FTDNA is the way to go. I head from many people, not just on this thread, about Geno's hiccups, so I think I'll go with FTDNA.

ChrisR

05-14-2016, 09:12 AM

I think I will do the full Y-111 with FTDNA. 23andMe tests only about 20% of your total DNA. They can tell your haplogroup based on the HVRs but, for the downstream SNPs and a more precise/accurate reading it seems that Geno 2.0 or the full 111 at FTDNA is the way to go. I head from many people, not just on this thread, about Geno's hiccups, so I think I'll go with FTDNA.

I would suggest to start with FTDNA Y37 or Y67. If you are in the big L556/WIRTH Ashkenazi STR cluster doing Y111 might be helpful to differentiate the nearest matches (you can always upgrade) but in the long term you should seek to do a NGS of your Y-DNA http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Y-DNA_next_generation_sequencing Forget the current Geno 2.0 NG test, it is not worth the money.

Svabinsky

05-14-2016, 03:09 PM

I would suggest to start with FTDNA Y37 or Y67. If you are in the big L556/WIRTH Ashkenazi STR cluster doing Y111 might be helpful to differentiate the nearest matches (you can always upgrade) but in the long term you should seek to do a NGS of your Y-DNA http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Y-DNA_next_generation_sequencing Forget the current Geno 2.0 NG test, it is not worth the money.

Thanks for the info Chris. Just a follow-up, what is the difference between the full 111 test with FTDNA and the NGS test you reference (I presume the NGS test you are referring to is through Full Genome Corp)? Is FGC more accurate/precise than FTDNA?

Is the Y37 or Y67 deep/sufficient enough to tell me if I am part of the L556 cluster, or any other subcluster for that matter, or would I need to do the 111?

Is Full Genome Corp's full mtDNA more accurate than FTDNA's full mtDNA?

I have been doing genealogy for a long time but I am new to this whole bio side of it, so a lot of it is over me head.

ChrisR

05-16-2016, 12:17 AM

what is the difference between the full 111 test with FTDNA and the NGS test you reference (I presume the NGS test you are referring to is through Full Genome Corp)? Is FGC more accurate/precise than FTDNA?

Is the Y37 or Y67 deep/sufficient enough to tell me if I am part of the L556 cluster, or any other subcluster for that matter, or would I need to do the 111?

Is Full Genome Corp's full mtDNA more accurate than FTDNA's full mtDNA?

Sorry, this questions are asked over and over and you may ask them in a Project/Facebook group or look into ISOGG Wiki

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/wirth/activity-feed

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/j2-m172/activity-feed

https://www.facebook.com/groups/j2.m172/

http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Y-DNA_project_help

My suggestion remains: do Y37 or Y67 now and wait for the result. Then with project admins help you can decide if upgrading to Y111 will be useful or going for NGS testing will be the best way.

jatt2016

07-28-2016, 02:52 AM

There's plenty of H (and J) among Punjabis:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xm5xp5Qxk8N8kSortwFU5Qr-KWCGNKsYgdT5Mnv8kDc

Even found in the occasional Afghan.

I'm deleting the argumentative posts. Leave that stuff out of this thread.

Moderator: Posts deleted. I don't usually send threats, I warn only once. So let me tell you how this is gonna work... The moment you start violating the forum's ToS I'll be closing this thread and handing out infractions.

All Js and Hs are F-M89. The vast bulk of non-Africans are M89. So this does not help resolve whether you are H or J as M89 is common to both as it upstream of both.

Look at the haplogroup tree. Some haplogroups are in a direct line above another. So F splits off into other haplogroups. But, H doesn't split into J. Also, you show positive for H1 and H2. They are separate lines. And the J SNPs are in separate lines.

Folks an update :

As you all know that FTDNA/GENOGrahphic joint venture team kept on moving me from one Y haplo to another ( started with J and then moved me to F, H , R ), I was wary of their findings and tested my DNA

with a another company to confirm/sort by Y-DNA haplogroups. 23and me confirmed that I am F .

Pasting the screen shot below :

https://i.gyazo.com/abd05b4f64dd2ec5ce98f2673e2b9840.png

Rayaan

11-05-2016, 03:58 AM

Don't know why people fuss over lineage.. I am a G man Punjab da Jatt and very much content to plod on and on unlike these also rans who think it they are thoroughbreds.

jaderose22

03-18-2017, 01:13 AM

You get a raw DNA file which looks like this:

# rsid chromosome position genotype

i4000095 Y 2649694 T

i4000093 Y 2649696 --

rs11575897 Y 2655180 G

i5004371 Y 2655248 G

i5004367 Y 2655265 T

i5004381 Y 2655308 C

i5004386 Y 2655319 A

i5004379 Y 2655324 C

i5004380 Y 2655325 --

i5004382 Y 2655328 T

i5004368 Y 2655361 C

i5004384 Y 2655368 G

i5004383 Y 2655375 G

i5004376 Y 2655435 C

i5004375 Y 2655436 C

i5004378 Y 2655442 A

i5004369 Y 2655592 C

i5004370 Y 2655641 G

rs2534636 Y 2657176 C

i3000043 Y 2658271 G

i3000045 Y 2658869 G

rs35840667 Y 2661306 T

i4000162 Y 2663707 T

i4000122 Y 2663889 --

rs9786608 Y 2663943 C

rs17276379 Y 2693993 --

rs34402762 Y 2710309 T

rs11538309 Y 2712237 A

rs11538311 Y 2733235 C

rs35284970 Y 2734854 C

i4000052 Y 2740274 T

rs3895 Y 2744628 T

i4000120 Y 2749995 T

i4000121 Y 2750408 A

i4000123 Y 2751678 A

rs13305441 Y 2756980 T

rs9786320 Y 2762492 T

rs17276393 Y 2815303 C

rs1270122 Y 2815425 A

rs13447361 Y 2821786 G

rs2267801 Y 2828196 T

rs2267802 Y 2828425 A

rs13303875 Y 2840133 T

rs9786142 Y 2842212 T

rs34742138 Y 2846401 C

rs9786519 Y 2854520 T

i4000099 Y 2875527 G

i5049484 Y 2877478 C

i4000105 Y 2877479 A

i4000102 Y 2881367 T

i4000174 Y 2881377 G

i4000104 Y 2887156 C

i5049384 Y 2887744 C

rs9786184 Y 2887824 C

i4000108 Y 2888203 C

i4000109 Y 2888252 C

i4000114 Y 2888477 G

i4000115 Y 2888598 C

i4000112 Y 2888628 --

i4000113 Y 2888632 --

i4000118 Y 2888678 D

i4000106 Y 2893277 G

rs9786252 Y 2911033 G

rs9786491 Y 2912385 C

rs3963100 Y 2920925 --

rs2535203 Y 2937010 --

rs2534290 Y 2942559 --

rs2534327 Y 2943636 --

rs2534398 Y 2945498 --

rs2534238 Y 2957180 --

rs2534299 Y 2967867 A

rs13304875 Y 2978552 --

rs35257590 Y 2980200 --

rs2349620 Y 2987520 --

rs2534378 Y 2991977 --

rs2534388 Y 2993783 --

rs2020128 Y 2994033 --

rs2534395 Y 2995103 --

rs2534415 Y 2999020 --

rs2534442 Y 3004873 --

rs2534492 Y 3017407 --

rs3095194 Y 3026733 --

rs2534519 Y 3029098 --

rs7067390 Y 3041551 A

rs2534047 Y 3044007 G

rs3900551 Y 3046930 --

rs2534055 Y 3048114 --

rs2534083 Y 3059025 --

rs2534104 Y 3068555 --

rs2534105 Y 3068643 --

rs2534111 Y 3071499 --

rs2534126 Y 3077483 --

rs2534134 Y 3081263 --

rs2534148 Y 3085555 --

rs4033727 Y 3087892 --

rs2534161 Y 3088983 --

rs2534185 Y 3094565 --

rs2534189 Y 3095739 --

rs2534201 Y 3098262 --

rs4033695 Y 3116788 --

rs2534921 Y 3127531 --

rs17221594 Y 3134595 --

rs2534969 Y 3139658 --

rs2534991 Y 3147996 --

rs2535018 Y 3157767 --

rs17249727 Y 3179117 --

rs2535089 Y 3179600 --

rs2535095 Y 3180346 --

rs2568815 Y 3197060 --

rs2535139 Y 3202164 --

rs2535140 Y 3202246 --

rs2534908 Y 3228828 --

rs2436264 Y 3245636 --

rs2552851 Y 3262129 --

rs2552656 Y 3269280 --

rs13304240 Y 3270422 --

rs2552774 Y 3288124 --

rs4033183 Y 3299144 --

rs2552838 Y 3308699 A

rs2552844 Y 3310270 --

rs4033165 Y 3318178 --

rs4033144 Y 3340336 --

rs2552568 Y 3359049 --

rs2250769 Y 3370708 --

rs2250770 Y 3370714 --

rs2771511 Y 3378385 C

rs2552637 Y 3380902 --

rs2552661 Y 3385259 C

rs34831046 Y 3387992 --

rs2771535 Y 3388418 --

rs2552701 Y 3399585 --

rs35505285 Y 3401707 --

rs4535946 Y 3406292 T

rs2113789 Y 3407219 C

rs2113790 Y 3407265 C

rs2552715 Y 3409772 --

rs2771662 Y 3417620 --

rs2602313 Y 3417721 --

rs2771666 Y 3418599 --

rs2602319 Y 3419500 --

i4000283 Y 3436442 G

i4000284 Y 3436444 G

rs2444383 Y 3438029 --

rs2444389 Y 3439085 --

rs1053786 Y 3447851 --

rs1053788 Y 3447878 --

rs1053790 Y 3447915 --

rs1053791 Y 3447964 --

rs2444402 Y 3448836 --

rs2496951 Y 3448844 --

rs2444418 Y 3452753 --

rs2444419 Y 3452870 --

rs2444421 Y 3453793 --

rs2444422 Y 3453914 --

i5900138 Y 3454630 --

rs2444427 Y 3454870 --

rs2444428 Y 3454966 --

rs2444440 Y 3456606 --

rs13304326 Y 3459839 --

rs13303647 Y 3477343 --

rs2245374 Y 3480417 --

rs2167806 Y 3480782 --

rs4032877 Y 3487032 T

rs2444512 Y 3487565 --

rs2444521 Y 3489396 --

rs2444525 Y 3490038 --

rs11096456 Y 3495995 --

rs10856767 Y 3496205 --

rs2060922 Y 3496739 --

rs2444550 Y 3506956 --

rs1038613 Y 3521762 --

rs2450664 Y 3527701 --

rs2129709 Y 3529676 --

rs9785789 Y 3543996 A

i4000163 Y 3545070 T

i4001526 Y 3545172 G

rs2632889 Y 3547060 --

rs2752807 Y 3553080 A

rs2632910 Y 3557090 --

rs2559264 Y 3574126 --

rs1365996 Y 3579458 --

rs2632956 Y 3581267 --

rs2632957 Y 3582829 --

rs2559301 Y 3587732 --

rs35898620 Y 3597108 --

rs4032687 Y 3607001 --

rs34494083 Y 3608161 --

rs2559350 Y 3621140 --

rs2559356 Y 3624644 --

rs2559361 Y 3627909 --

i5900387 Y 3635319 A

rs2559402 Y 3646409 --

rs34551723 Y 3648875 --

rs2255612 Y 3655030 T

rs2574587 Y 3666259 --

rs2574589 Y 3668533 --

rs2574595 Y 3669653 --

rs2559154 Y 3675122 --

rs2574612 Y 3676289 --

rs4141666 Y 3696607 G

rs2559202 Y 3697126 --

rs2574357 Y 3697189 --

rs2559217 Y 3703536 --

rs2559218 Y 3703919 --

rs6655903 Y 3706860 --

rs6655893 Y 3706930 --

rs2574373 Y 3710786 --

rs2574376 Y 3711649 --

rs11096440 Y 3713563 --

rs9645211 Y 3714776 --

rs4307511 Y 3714894 --

rs9645215 Y 3714926 G

rs6530606 Y 3715248 A

rs4589049 Y 3715642 --

rs4532770 Y 3715698 --

rs4336789 Y 3715806 --

rs6530611 Y 3716034 A

rs6530615 Y 3717095 --

rs6530616 Y 3717186 --

rs6530620 Y 3717723 --

rs6530621 Y 3717754 --

rs7067495 Y 3720007 --

rs7067508 Y 3720217 --

rs7892911 Y 3720463 --

rs7892879 Y 3720464 C

rs7893082 Y 3721154 --

rs7892961 Y 3721267 --

rs2574378 Y 3721328 --

rs2574413 Y 3733528 --

rs35248577 Y 3737991 --

rs2521061 Y 3747789 --

rs2521115 Y 3764211 --

rs3995050 Y 3775622 A

rs409570 Y 3777548 T

rs427332 Y 3781791 --

rs447613 Y 3790709 --

rs450222 Y 3798995 --

rs365786 Y 3799971 T

rs366862 Y 3800253 --

rs371884 Y 3808245 --

rs418176 Y 3818738 --

rs384169 Y 3828173 --

rs404152 Y 3830037 --

rs373297 Y C

i4000094 Y 22750457 I

rs1558843 Y 22750583 C

rs13447354 Y 22750951 G

i5049476 Y 22751863 C

rs13447358 Y 22752620 G

rs13447440 Y 22752710 A

rs13447442 Y 22753079 A

rs13447359 Y 22753445 A

rs1064253 Y 22754570 G

rs13447360 Y 22754671 I

rs13303461 Y 22766265 --

rs2897576 Y 22802939 G

rs13305969 Y 22822230 C

rs13304346 Y 22822346 G

rs13305921 Y 22824532 --

rs9785711 Y 22833310 G

i5900294 Y 22854091 T

rs13304071 Y 22892596 --

rs35127951 Y 22894112 C

rs35474563 Y 22917995 C

rs16980548 Y 22918577 C

rs34581739 Y 22921768 G

rs34740450 Y 22922129 G

rs13304464 Y 22924348 T

rs34194308 Y 22928344 C

rs13305050 Y 22947915 T

rs13304524 Y 22961946 T

rs17250458 Y 22972939 C

rs9786261 Y 23035132 G

rs9785908 Y 23040647 G

rs13303803 Y 23065366 T

rs7892987 Y 23128801 G

rs9785945 Y 23185647 C

rs9786099 Y 23241568 C

i4000103 Y 23243942 C

i4000157 Y 23244028 C

rs9786023 Y 23249378 C

rs9785734 Y 23254814 C

i4000244 Y 23307995 C

rs13305198 Y 23363475 T

rs7893080 Y 23379254 G

rs7892923 Y 23431541 A

rs17842518 Y 23443971 G

rs1987290 Y 23476936 G

i4000059 Y 23496331 C

i4000058 Y 23497067 C

i4000136 Y 23497256 C

i4000188 Y 23497714 G

i4000261 Y 23549366 T

rs13303817 Y 23555515 T

rs16980550 Y 23580809 --

rs16980551 Y 23584117 T

rs13303755 Y 23612197 G

rs9785974 Y 23631629 C

rs16980610 Y 23634362 G

rs3990418 Y 23655662 A

rs9786005 Y 23729951 --

rs13304197 Y 23807304 A

rs34869361 Y 23818841 C

rs13305920 Y 23826836 --

rs2608388 Y 23832116 G

rs34916747 Y 23834032 T

rs13303491 Y 23841255 C

rs13305478 Y 23842147 C

rs2608312 Y 23851447 --

rs35937447 Y 23878211 G

rs2608355 Y 23884490 --

rs13304561 Y 23888423 --

rs2178500 Y 23973594 T

rs1882214 Y 23974513 --

rs16981860 Y 23989547 G

i4000172 Y 23989677 T

rs1276032 Y 23993156 A

rs3951517 Y 24069946 --

rs324937 Y 24070105 --

rs9786558 Y 24356128 --

rs9786095 Y 24359931 C

i5053615 Y 24366464 A

rs9786514 Y 24370605 A

rs35858522 Y 24392881 A

rs1908158 Y 24406606 --

rs9786526 Y 24407921 G

rs2268591 Y 24464597 G

rs17316910 Y 24475669 G

rs2268588 Y 24510581 A

rs1839144 Y 24522333 G

rs2540401 Y 24877948 --

rs2556648 Y 24880863 --

rs2556650 Y 24881721 --

rs55927127 Y 25296997 T

rs55964112 Y 25303040 A

rs698120 Y 25312619 --

rs72494958 Y 25328194 A

rs72494959 Y 25342399 T

rs56039110 Y 27035220 A

rs4134449 Y 28462106 --

i5900217 Y 28472440 --

rs13304742 Y 28495967 --

rs2890631 Y 28498366 --

rs894115 Y 28509344 --

rs1808877 Y 28509482 --

rs2381233 Y 28509650 T

rs3955025 Y 28526939 --

rs2890638 Y 28538621 --

rs2890646 Y 28539062 --

rs2197023 Y 28568089 C

rs16981830 Y 28582937 A

rs4008412 Y 28582941 --

rs9785699 Y 28590278 G

rs9306850 Y 28606269 T

rs9786795 Y 28650343 G

rs7067481 Y 28664607 --

rs4079036 Y 28688867 --

rs1809143 Y 28688884 --

rs2381315 Y 28693558 A

rs1358368 Y 28733101 C

rs9786773 Y 28758193 --

rs9785969 Y 28769098 C

rs4261065 Y 28793765 A

rs4261066 Y 28793797 --

rs9786292 Y 28793898 G

i4990107 Y 28794400 --

rs9786879 Y 28797325 A

rs9785919 Y 28797422 --

rs4503289 Y 28802596 --

rs9785669 Y 28815656 --

rs9786231 Y 28815765 T

rs9786544 Y 28815829 --

rs9786106 Y 28816703 --

rs7067333 Y 28816870 --

rs7067396 Y 28817191 --

rs7067395 Y 28817420 --

rs7067533 Y 28817494 --

rs7067270 Y 28817559 --

rs7067446 Y 28817579 G

rs7067479 Y 28817636 --

rs7067343 Y 28817981 --

rs7067386 Y 28818057 G

rs9782780 Y 58862427 A

rs4040822 Y 58883724 --

rs4893814 Y 58968724 C

rs4576608 Y 58968888 G

rs4579697 Y 58969145 --

rs4491015 Y 58969146 C

rs2047088 Y 58970248 C

rs2641200 Y 58977087 A

rs9969985 Y 58992138 A

rs4893685 Y 58994825 T

rs4893742 Y 59001620 --

rs4893674 Y 59001792 C

rs7067504 Y 59002627 T

rs7067511 Y 59002734 C

rs5013140 Y 59002815 A

rs5013141 Y 59002817 T

rs9320084 Y 59002952 T

rs2906316 Y 59003059 A

rs2527432 Y 59003276 --

rs2140186 Y 59003648 T

rs2527428 Y 59003711 A

rs2527425 Y 59004146 --

rs4893734 Y 59005435 C

rs2641153 Y 59005909 A

rs4256760 Y 59006873 C

rs2333816 Y 59009148 --

rs2201323 Y 59009156 A

rs6568334 Y 59009372 A

rs4370713 Y 59013076 T

rs2201322 Y 59013541 --

rs4089004 Y 59013581 --

rs4047582 Y 59013938 T

rs4047592 Y 59015026 A

rs2527417 Y 59015256 --

rs3855803 Y 59016530 C

rs3878828 Y 59016621 C

rs4399100 Y 59016951 G

rs4117021 Y 59017751 --

rs4047594 Y 59018763 --

rs2527410 Y 59019553 C

rs2527409 Y 59019609 G

rs6568303 Y 59022991 C

rs6568300 Y 59024022 --

rs1809774 Y 59024971 A

rs2641125 Y 59025396 A

rs7892991 Y 59026383 T

rs2333787 Y 59026862 --

rs10442591 Y 59026910 A

rs2641123 Y 59027434 --

rs4893711 Y 59027575 C

rs4047329 Y 59027910 A

rs28698289 Y 59028502 G

rs2334088 Y 59029364 A

rs6568298 Y 59029728 T

rs4047343 Y 59030922 G

rs6568294 Y 59031514 C

rs2334083 Y 59032331 C

rs9724556 Y 59032809 C

Wow that's a lot of space how much data is that? Like 800? Possibly? I counted half it up to 500 but got tired. This is a guy's raw data right?

Because both my first two results are identical to this guys in location 2655442 and the one a few above it that ends in 5. They are supposed sry variations from what I read its connected to gonadal dysgenesis. I was born female looking though. Which is normal with GD. Anyhow I'm curious as to who's raw data that is?yeah

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