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Hanna
02-12-2013, 01:57 PM
Ancestry composition:

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/9297/28943708.png
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1582/ssacc.png

Global similarity plot:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4558/gsss3.png
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3089/semags2.png

mtDNA:

http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/879/matrnalline.jpg

Mcdonalds:


http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/5277/ananan.png

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8361/asasacu.png

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9332/sasang.png

Most likely fit is 100% Armenian (Caucasus Area)which is 100% total Mideast

The location error = 0.007628 with 1 group

The following are possible population sets and their fractions, most likely at the top

Armenian= 1.000

and indeed it looks very very plain Armenian.

Doug McDonald

AJL
02-12-2013, 05:19 PM
"Middle Eastern" is a somewhat vague term: it includes at least two distinct autosomal components recognized my multiple analyses. The first is a more southerly population, e.g. Arabs and Bedouins, corresponding fairly well with yDNA J1 and perhaps tying into Semitic and Elamite peoples; the second, a Caucasus or West Asian component, which corresponds rather better with yDNA J2, G2, and and the oldest of the R1b lines, and which is more typical of the northern Levant and southern Caucasus. The second is more to the point for Armenians.

You can see this on McDonald's plot, where there are two axes near Armenians, one to north of the Caucasus -- and which Armenians are closer to -- while the other pulls south and eventually into northeast Africa.

Hanna
02-12-2013, 05:35 PM
"Middle Eastern" is a somewhat vague term: it includes at least two distinct autosomal components recognized my multiple analyses. The first is a more southerly population, e.g. Arabs and Bedouins, corresponding fairly well with yDNA J1 and perhaps tying into Semitic and Elamite peoples; the second, a Caucasus or West Asian component, which corresponds rather better with yDNA J2, G2, and and the oldest of the R1b lines, and which is more typical of the northern Levant and southern Caucasus. The second is more to the point for Armenians.


23andme's Middle Eastern category will be updated as per what I heard. They should divide it to Caucasus and Arabia (southwest Asian). My ancestry composition is almost 100% ME.

Btw, we are not Armenians.

AJL
02-12-2013, 09:51 PM
No? I'd be interested to know your background then: maybe Kurdish?

Scarlet Ibis
02-12-2013, 11:07 PM
So what do you think about your results, given your known background?

DMXX
02-12-2013, 11:28 PM
Welcome to the forum and thank you for posting!



Btw, we are not Armenians.

Judging by your position, McDonald deeming you to be essentially Armenian genetically and the presence of two East Asian segments in your auDNA, I'd make an educated guess and say you are an Anatolian Turk with ancestry from the central-east of the plateau. Correct me if I'm wrong. :)

Humanist
02-13-2013, 12:25 AM
23andme's Middle Eastern category will be updated as per what I heard. They should divide it to Caucasus and Arabia (southwest Asian). My ancestry composition is almost 100% ME.

Btw, we are not Armenians.

I know who you are. :) Nice to see you here. Interesting results.

Hanna
02-13-2013, 02:42 AM
No? I'd be interested to know your background then: maybe Kurdish?
No,Turkish.

AJL
02-13-2013, 02:49 AM
No,Turkish.

Thanks, and welcome to the forum. It looks like DMXX gets the prize! You're slight outliers for Turks, but not remarkably so.

Hanna
02-13-2013, 03:09 AM
Globe13

48.04% West_Asian
27.13% Mediterranean
18.36% Southwest_Asian
2.44% North_European
1.62% South_Asian
1.43% Siberian
0.56% Amerindian
0.35% Australasian
0.06% East_Asian
0.00% Arctic
0.00% West_African
0.00% Palaeo_African
0.00% East_African


Jtest with Oracle
# Population Percent
1 WEST_ASIAN 38.86
2 EAST_MED 32.46
3 MIDDLE_EASTERN 8.23
4 WEST_MED 6.21
5 ATLANTIC 4.59
6 ASHKENAZI 3.09
7 SOUTH_ASIAN 2.61
8 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 1.73
9 SOUTH_BALTIC 0.9
10 SIBERIAN 0.73
11 EAST_EURO 0.58

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 7.75
2 TR 11.65
3 Kurdish 11.71
4 GE 12.37
5 Assyrian 12.73
6 IR 13.58
7 Mandean 15.81
8 Lezgin 20.59
9 IQ 23.04
10 GR 25.76
11 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 27.48
12 Druze 28.61
13 Samaritan 30.28
14 Brahui 33.76
15 Balochi 34.53
16 Tuscan 36.23
17 RO 38.09
18 AJ 38.18
19 North_Italian 39.75
20 Serbian 39.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.8% GE + 49.2% Assyrian @ 4.15
2 72.1% GE + 27.9% Samaritan @ 4.3
3 64.4% Armenian + 35.6% GE @ 4.39
4 71.1% GE + 28.9% Druze @ 4.68
5 56.9% GE + 43.1% Mandean @ 4.71
6 66.8% GE + 33.2% IQ @ 5.39
7 79.1% Armenian + 20.9% Lezgin @ 5.73
8 52.1% TR + 47.9% GE @ 6.37
9 52.1% Kurdish + 47.9% GE @ 6.97
10 84.5% GE + 15.5% Bedouin @ 7.33
11 94.6% Armenian + 5.4% Kalash @ 7.33
12 71.4% GE + 28.6% GR @ 7.45
13 94.2% Armenian + 5.8% Balochi @ 7.47
14 94.1% Armenian + 5.9% Brahui @ 7.47
15 85% Armenian + 15% IR @ 7.49
16 83.6% Armenian + 16.4% Kurdish @ 7.55
17 96.8% Armenian + 3.2% Burusho @ 7.58
18 73% GE + 27% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 7.6
19 97.7% Armenian + 2.3% Sindhi @ 7.65
20 98.6% Armenian + 1.4% KZ @ 7.7

MDLP-World with Oracle

Population
Caucaus_Parsia 43.24%
Middle_East 22.91%
Indian 2.33%
South_and_West_European 27.32%
Melanesian 0.46%
Sub_Saharian 0.21%
North_and_East_European 2.31%
Arctic_Amerind -
East_Asian 0.86%
Paleo_African -
Mesoamerican 0.36%
North_Asian -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 3.93
2 Turk 6.49
3 Georgian_Laz 8.24
4 Azeri 9.01
5 Kurd 9.13
6 Jew_Azerbaijan 11.04
7 Jew_Tat 11.68
8 Jew-Uzbekistan 11.89
9 Georgian 12.49
10 Jew_Georgia 14.62
11 Kumyk 14.89
12 Georgian_Imereti 14.89
13 Iranian 14.97
14 Adygei 15.36
15 Cirkassian 15.54
16 Greek_Azov 15.62
17 Kabardinian 15.63
18 Jew_Kurd 15.87
19 Jew-Iraqi 15.89
20 NorthOssetian 16.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.1% Armenian + 5.9% Ajv52 @ 1.76
2 90.7% Armenian + 9.3% Roma @ 1.86
3 86.7% Armenian + 13.3% Tatar_Crim @ 2.1
4 93.7% Armenian + 6.3% Colville @ 2.13
5 65.2% Armenian + 34.8% Turk @ 2.2
6 93.4% Armenian + 6.6% Tatar_Lithuania @ 2.28
7 82.9% Armenian + 17.1% Cirkassian @ 2.33
8 92.4% Armenian + 7.6% Romania @ 2.34
9 88.6% Armenian + 11.4% Nogai @ 2.35
10 94.6% Armenian + 5.4% CEU @ 2.41
11 94.8% Armenian + 5.2% Norwegian_V @ 2.42
12 94.7% Armenian + 5.3% Welsh @ 2.44
13 94.6% Armenian + 5.4% British @ 2.44
14 95.1% Armenian + 4.9% Swedish_V @ 2.45
15 94.7% Armenian + 5.3% Orcadian @ 2.46
16 95% Armenian + 5% Swedish @ 2.47
17 94.6% Armenian + 5.4% German @ 2.47
18 94.6% Armenian + 5.4% CEU_V @ 2.47
19 94.4% Armenian + 5.6% German_V @ 2.47
20 94.8% Armenian + 5.2% German-North @ 2.48


HarappaWorld Oracle-4
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 armenian @ 4.399
2 armenian @ 5.749
3 azerbaijan-jew @ 6.718
4 assyrian @ 7.021
5 georgia-jew @ 9.416
6 uzbekistan-jew @ 10.545
7 turkish @ 11.099
8 kurd @ 11.315
9 azeri @ 11.616
10 iranian-jew @ 11.833
350 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.238
2 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.260
3 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.296
4 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.360
5 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.451
6 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.500
7 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.501
8 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.675
9 armenian + armenian + armenian + iranian @ 2.691
10 armenian + armenian + assyrian + kurd @ 2.697
11 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.716
12 armenian + armenian + armenian + iranian @ 2.764
13 armenian + armenian + azerbaijan-jew + kurd @ 2.794
14 armenian + armenian + azerbaijan-jew + kurd @ 2.810
15 armenian + armenian + assyrian + kurd @ 2.831
16 armenian + armenian + azerbaijan-jew + kurd @ 2.838
17 armenian + armenian + assyrian + kurd @ 2.885
18 armenian + armenian + azerbaijan-jew + kurd @ 2.979
19 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 3.004
20 armenian + armenian + azerbaijan-jew + kurd @ 3.074


MDLP-World 22 Oracle-4
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Armenian @ 5.653
2 Turk @ 7.985
3 Kurd @ 8.957
4 Azeri @ 9.178
5 Georgian_Laz @ 10.526
6 Jew_Azerbaijan @ 10.990
7 Jew-Uzbekistan @ 11.461
8 Jew_Tat @ 11.474
9 Jew_Kurd @ 14.226
10 Georgian @ 14.313
276 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Abhkasian + Armenian + Greek_Cretan + Jew-Uzbekistan @ 1.797
2 Georgian_Laz + Georgian_Laz + Greek_Cretan + Iranian @ 1.934
3 Armenian + Georgian_Imereti + Greek_Cretan + Kurd @ 1.956
4 Armenian + Azeri + Georgian_Imereti + Greek_Cretan @ 1.994
5 Azeri + Georgian_Imereti + Greek_Cretan + Jew_Azerbaijan @ 2.075
6 Abhkasian + Greek_Cretan + Jew_Azerbaijan + Kurd @ 2.084
7 West-Asian + Jew-Uzbekistan + Jew-Uzbekistan + Sardinian @ 2.128
8 West-Asian + Iranian + Jew-Iraqi + Sardinian @ 2.170
9 Abhkasian + Armenian + Jew_Francestrale + Kurd @ 2.170
10 Cirkassian + Cypriot + Georgian_Imereti + Jew-Uzbekistan @ 2.173
11 Abhkasian + Armenian + Jew_Italia + Kurd @ 2.175
12 Georgian + Georgian_Imereti + Jew-Uzbekistan + Sephardim @ 2.190
13 Georgian_Imereti + Georgian_Laz + Jew_Romania + Jew-Uzbekistan @ 2.190
14 Georgian_Laz + Georgian_Laz + Greek_Cretan + Kurd @ 2.194
15 Georgian_Imereti + Georgian_Laz + Jew_Kurd + Jew_Romania @ 2.207
16 Georgian_Imereti + Jew-Uzbekistan + Ossetian + Sephardim @ 2.208
17 Abhkasian + Georgian_Laz + Iranian + Jew_Francestrale @ 2.213
18 Abhkasian + Georgian_Laz + Jew_Francestrale + Jew-Uzbekistan @ 2.219
19 West-Asian + Jew_Kurd + Jew-Uzbekistan + Sardinian @ 2.224
20 Georgian_Imereti + Georgian_Laz + Greek_East + Jew_Kurd @ 2.225

Hanna
02-13-2013, 03:14 AM
Thanks, and welcome to the forum. It looks like DMXX gets the prize! You're slight outliers for Turks, but not remarkably so.

My maternal side isn't a typical Turk but I am a bit more close to an average Turk.

My Mcdonald results:

Most likely fit is 92.6% (+- 0.6%) Mideast (all Caucasus Area)
and 7.4% (+- 0.6%) E. Asia (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Armenian= 0.933 Yakut= 0.067 or
Armenian= 0.917 Altai= 0.083 or
Armenian= 0.930 Buryat= 0.070 or
Armenian= 0.923 MongolaC= 0.077

Second most likely fit is 88.8% (+- 0.0%) Mideast (all Caucasus Area)
and 11.2% (+- 0.0%) S. Asia (all Central Asia)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Armenian= 0.888 Hazara= 0.112 or
Armenian= 0.888 Uygur= 0.112

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8383/orangepulpfull201203260.png
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/8383/orangepulpfull201203260.png
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6199/genomeorangepulpfull201.png

It also tests, with a passable but not so good fit, as plain Turkish. It is clearly from the Caucasus area, just not exactly one of our three comparison populations from there (Armenian, Georgian, Adygei).

Doug McDonald

According to him I'm not avergare Turk, something from the Caucasus but not from his Caucasian reference samples.

Hanna
02-13-2013, 03:21 AM
So what do you think about your results, given your known background?

Its just obvious my maternal side hasn't mixed with outsiders as much as other Turks, this doesnt mean they are Armenians. But if you're asking what my family thinks, when I told them they were a bit shocked and told me not to tell anyone in Turkey as there could be a misunderstanding. I assume my maternal side is Hemshin considering the villages they are from is where the Hemshin's used to live and in fact still do live.

My maternal side is North Eastern from Northern parts of Erzurum ( Ispir). I pinpointed both my grandparents villages with a red and a yellow star.

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6470/ispirk.png

Hanna
04-18-2013, 07:58 PM
I just received my maternal grandfather's Y-DNA, the first 12 markers. I am still awaiting the other markers and family finder results.

So his halogroup is J-M172

His predicted haplogroup according to the calculator is J2b

http://www.hprg.com/hapest5/

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8311/ydnadede.png

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9568/ydnadede2.png

Quote from Europedia:


about J2b "J2b has a quite different distribution from J2a. J2b seems to have a stronger association with the Chalcolithic cultures of Southeast Europe, and is particularly common in the Balkans, Central Europe and Italy, which is roughly the extent of the European Copper Age culture. Its maximum frequency is achieved around Albania, Kosovo, Montenegro and Northwest Greece. J2b is also found in the Pontic Steppe, the North Caucasus, Central Asia and in South Asia, particularly in India. Its very low frequency in the Middle East though suggests that, unlike for J2a, it was not spread a progresive and continuous diffusion of the Neolithic lifestyle. For this reason, and because it is generally found among the upper castes of India, it is thought that some J2b lineages might have been part of the Indo-Aryan invasions of South Asia (3,500 years ago) alongside R1a1a. It is conceivable that a minority of J2b, G2a3b1 and R1b1b from the Caucasus region migrated to the Volga-Ural region in the early Bronze Age, spreading with them the Proto-Indo-European language and bronze technology to the Caspian steppe before the expansion of this new culture to Central and South Asia (see R1a history)."

DMXX
04-18-2013, 08:10 PM
The user Sangarius on this forum is another Y-DNA J2b Anatolian Turk.

Hanna
04-18-2013, 08:18 PM
Sangarius ( AlpArslan) is on my aunt's ''relative finder'' (23andme) and with Gedmatch I appear to be sharing a segment with him on a different chromosome from my aunt's chromosome match with him.

BakodiP
08-17-2013, 01:00 PM
Dear Hanna!
I'm J2b* myself. I have two matches, both from Armenia.

Hanna
08-20-2013, 08:18 PM
Dear Hanna!
I'm J2b* myself. I have two matches, both from Armenia.
Actually I did the subclade test and my grandfather turned out to be J2a4h2f*

https://imageshack.com/a/img51/8311/ydnadede.png