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The_Lyonnist
02-21-2016, 11:44 AM
I am a bit puzzled over my test in 23andMe (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6319-My-results-(I-m-a-French-from-Lyon-center-east-of-France). Can anyone explain? At least, I know my paternal sub-clade.

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The_Lyonnist
02-21-2016, 05:52 PM
I found this map sub-clades I1. Z138 me is, then how my lineage arrived in Lyon?

http://www.goggo.com/terry/HaplogroupI1/y-Haplogroup_I1_SNP_Maps.png

tchekitchek
02-22-2016, 03:19 AM
I said earlier, not too seriously, that the whole higher west asian/east med thingie was linked to Lotharingia...

now it's funny how the I1-Z138 haplogroup seems to correlate with it:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/vls/thumb/8/8b/Verdrag_van_Verdun.jpg/300px-Verdrag_van_Verdun.jpg

Artmar
02-22-2016, 10:16 AM
It still leaves many possibilities (since it's just few levels under M253) but: http://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Z138/ doesn't seem to be strongly connected with Scandinavia. I would've guessed that it's just Frankish.

ffoucart
02-22-2016, 02:46 PM
I found this map sub-clades I1. Z138 me is, then how my lineage arrived in Lyon?


Many possibilities. Remember that maps are about frequency of an haplogroup, not existence of.

So low % of this haplogroup can exist elsewhere.

If this haplogroup is more linked to a more specific ethnicity (Germanic), Lyon was not outside Gaul the last 1500 years. Burgundy, Alamans, Franks,... all could have been the source. Or somebody else. Who knows?

Helgenes50
02-22-2016, 02:59 PM
I am a bit puzzled over my test in 23andMe (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6319-My-results-(I-m-a-French-from-Lyon-center-east-of-France). Can anyone explain? At least, I know my paternal sub-clade.



the maps would need to be updated.
( like my subclade L813, also present in Sweden and not only in Norway)

Difficult to know, of Frankish origin ? A German veteran of the legion ?
A warrior of the Burgundian Armies, without being Burgundian.
Or a more recent origin ?

Look at the number of wars between Franks and Burgundians

http://www.wikiwand.com/de/Liste_der_Herrscher_von_Burgund

Mestace
02-22-2016, 03:05 PM
Didn't you say you had a German grand father? Well if it's paternal, look no further.

The_Lyonnist
02-23-2016, 10:29 AM
Didn't you say you had a German grand father? Well if it's paternal, look no further.

No, maternal great grand-father.

The_Lyonnist
02-23-2016, 11:04 AM
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