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The_Lyonnist
02-24-2016, 10:57 PM
On this map There are a lot of G in Israel and north of Egypt, where was supposed to be the Hyksos. So I'd like your opinion.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup_G2a.gif

Kale
02-25-2016, 05:40 PM
G was the primary haplogroup of the Anatolian neolithic, I wouldn't doubt a lot of it come from that.

Asante
02-05-2019, 12:12 AM
On this map There are a lot of G in Israel and north of Egypt, where was supposed to be the Hyksos. So I'd like your opinion

Interesting! I thought of something similar a few years back.

Asante
02-05-2019, 12:13 AM
G was the primary haplogroup of the Anatolian neolithic, I wouldn't doubt a lot of it come from that.

Hmm. So you believe that it was of Northeast African/Nile Valley origin? DNAtribes proposed this on one of their analysis a few years back.

The_Lyonnist
02-08-2019, 04:54 PM
Iberians and Hyksos are similar names ...

The Saite
01-13-2020, 04:45 PM
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This isn't really the case regarding the Egyptian Y-DNA (G-M201) lineages origins .

The MDS table above (Rootsi et al 2012 study) , Shows the place where the G Egyptian samples belong in a more regional wide point of view .
Their position is ultimately "Sardinian" like ; which is distinct from any Caucasian or current Arabian/middle eastern clusters .

which suggests a Neolithic Anatolian ancestry rather than a recent addition in the history of the country

kalon
03-05-2020, 08:18 PM
https://leicester.figshare.com/articles/Genetic_Diversity_and_Population_Structure_of_Saud i_Arabia/11799858/1?fbclid=IwAR0oNQyM9pM-KTFqfrqexgT2c0JZGPMb03qG4QajUQ5DeMYyllvN4QZh81o 36663

kalon
03-05-2020, 11:43 PM
The Mamluks (lit. slaves) were a military class that ruled Egypt from 1250 to 1517 and Syria (including Palestine) from 1260 to 1516. Under the Mamluk sultans in Egypt and ... The Mamluks were one of the most important dynasties in the history of medieval Islam , gaining fame for stopping the Mongol advance into Syria and for eradicating the Crusader presence in Palestine and elsewhere along the Syrian coast. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk_dynasty_(Iraq)

BP16254 Palavandishvili Prince : Kartli, Kareli, Georgia G-M201 13 23 15 10 16-16 11 12 10 12 10 28 16 9-9 11 11 24 16 21 29 13-14-14-14 10 10 21-21 14 15 14 18 35-37 12 10
N50556 Al-Mumayiz Iraq G-FGC1160 13 23 15 10 16-16 11 12 10 12 10 28 16 9-9 11 11 24 16 21 29 13-14-14-14 10 10 21-21 14 15 14 18 35-37 12 10

subzero85
07-08-2020, 11:05 PM
My family friend is Ashkenazi and tested positive for G2.

Mithridates VI Eupator
05-29-2022, 11:20 AM
Do we have enough data to suggest that post neolithic G2a was a major haplogroup and mass migrated anywhere?

Kanenas
05-29-2022, 02:13 PM
Some of the Hyksos show similarities to the 'Minoans' and the 'Mycenaeans' e.g. the Retjenu Hyksos.

The Retjenu have similar vessels with the Minoans (rhytons, amphorae etc.), horses, the chariot and a dress somewhat similar to that of the Myceneans but longer and a cap maybe similar to the pileus or the rather related modern Albanian plis/qeleshe, though it seems there were variants.

The Aaamu Hyksos appear different in most regards. (so imho it is unlikely they have a common origin).

In the past it was quite common to consider an IE origin for the Hyksos as a whole. Now no one dares to even consider a non-Semetic origini for some of them. Both stances are a result of political trends more than anything.

Kanenas
05-30-2022, 03:48 AM
Not surprised since Avaris did have Minoans in the city as well. I wouldn't say the Minoans were Indo-Europeans since we do have their genetics which they steam from pre-Indo-European populace of Southern Europe with Levantine admixtures here and there. There's an upcoming study on the Hyksos which confirms the recent archeological evidence that much of the Hyksos derive from predom. local Egyptian male populace intermarried with the women migrants from the Levant that arrived to Egypt centuries prior to their rise in Egypt and etc.

I don't really care if Minoans or (some of) the Hyksos were Indoeuropeans but both should have been in contact with Indoeuropeans if
a. they acquired horses and chariots from Indoeuropeans

Apart from that the similarities should be recognised (even if the Retjenu Hyksos were from northern Syria or something which is possible) and they should be explained in a better way.
And the differences between the depictions of Aamu vs the Retjenu should be explained. Do they look like closely related populations?

[Minoans can be Indoeuropean if the steppe theory is wrong and IE was an EEF-related language (with Late PIE spoken in Europe though and e.g. Y-DNA R1a playing an important role in 4 to 5 branches)]