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jortita
03-05-2016, 12:59 AM
I belong to Assam in Northeast India. My MTDNA haplogroup has been identified as M13C. I am curious to know if there are others with the same MTDNA. My Y DNA haplotype is R-Z94 which is Indo-European while MTDNA is East Asian

redifflal
03-05-2016, 01:42 PM
Are you an ethnic Ahom? I would have thought Ahom Y-DNA would show more relation northeastwards than northwestwards . Unless you're Brahmin from a gotra coming from that direction. Most Bengali Brahmins descend from 5 Brahmin families of Kannauj invited by the Sena dynasty of Bengal+Bihar region at the time to conduct Vedic rites 1000 ybp.
Your mtdna does point to a more eastern origin beyond the Himalayas, thus indicating Ahom migrations.

Anyway welcome here. There's a couple of Bengalis here. I forget his username right now but he's Sylheti. I'm from Kolkata and ancestral home is in the suburbs of it for centuries. You are probably the only Assamese we have had.

Reza
03-05-2016, 02:25 PM
Welcome jortita!

As mentioned, not many Bengalis let alone Assamese here on the forum so pleasure to have you here. My family are from Sylhet originally.

Redifflal, are there any specific y-dna subclades associated with those Bengali Brahmins? Which haplotypes do you think the original Ahom might have carried?

jortita
03-08-2016, 12:13 PM
I am mixed race as my Geno 2.0 ancestry affiliations show and am waiting for FTDNA results. My ancestry affiliations are shown as South Asia 42%, Central Asia - 26%, Southeast Asia - 20%, East Asia - 5%, Siberia and Finland -4%, North Africa - 2%. In my case Indo European men married Mongoloid women.

jortita
03-08-2016, 12:17 PM
This includes Ahom and Bodo Kachari. I analysed the Y DNA synapse and genetic markers and found significant traces of O1, O2 and O3 as well as other East and North Asian genetic markers, including Haplogroupd C, D, N, K, S, P, Q in addition to indo European markers.

jortita
03-08-2016, 12:18 PM
I am not Brahmin but Kalita which is not really a caste even though recently identify themselves as Kayasth. In fact my ancestors were officers in the Ahom army.

jortita
03-08-2016, 12:20 PM
Would urge you to read this they which shows that there is little difference between the various communities in Assam due to mixing,https://www.google.co.th/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://etd.ohiolink.edu/rws_etd/document/get/ucin1378113115/inline&ved=0ahUKEwj-tfmtibHLAhWLUY4KHRQbACwQFggeMAA&usg=AFQjCNHiqPVX1SmLJ7yFp3ujiZIuOIFM6g&sig2=RKnUbGh6q8Ds7i4yn2nG1Q

jortita
03-08-2016, 12:25 PM
This article by the famous Assamese historian Yasmin Saikia is also interesting that it shows that Ahom was a social order and not a race and most indigenous upper Assam dwellers have Dai admixture,https://www.google.co.th/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.india-seminar.com/2005/550/550%2520yasmin%2520saikia.htm&ved=0ahUKEwiEmrGlirHLAhUXkI4KHTMtC8kQFggyMAk&usg=AFQjCNGYAzug_SrNxoJOcIMWeT9qrI790A&sig2=UNWyUf6MSJJbgHBtvyTLfw

jortita
03-10-2016, 08:53 AM
I would really appreciate if you could let me know whether there is much of a difference between R1a1a and R1a1 and it seems my Y DNA haplogroup is R1a1

jortita
03-22-2016, 12:53 AM
I received my FTDNA my origins results: South Asia - 42%, Central Asia - 26%; Southeast Asia - 21%; Siberia - 4%; East Asia - 4%; North Africa - 2%. I am also uploading my DNAlands results

jortita
03-22-2016, 12:53 AM
8301 . My DNALand results

jortita
03-22-2016, 04:03 AM
I also applied on my own various Calculators using my FTDNA raw data and some of the results are as follows:

DODECAD DV3
44.57% South Asian
19.95% Southeast Asian
10.91% West Asian
8.29% West European
5.94% Northeast Asian
4.97% East European
4.86% Mediterranean
1.18% Northwest Africa
0.2% East African

EURASIA 7:
47.67% South Asian
19.64% West Asian
19.35% East Asian
7.97% Atlantic_Baltic
5.17% Siberian
0.20% Southern


WORLD9
43.2% South Asian
25.2% Caucasus_Gedrosia
14.45% East Asian
7.68% Atlantic_Baltic
5.60% Siberian
1.78% Australasian
1.75% Southern
0.3% Amerindian

GLOBE13
42.75% South Asian
23.50% West Asian
13.57% East Asian
7.31% North European
5.51% Siberian
3.76% Mediterranean
1.84% Australasian
1.40% Arctic

K7b
44.28% South_Asian
25.57% West_Asian
14.92% East_Asian
8.04% Atlantic_Baltic
5.97% Siberian
1.17% Southern
0.04% African

K10a
44.00% South_Asian
23.28% West_Asian
9.09% Southeast_Asian
8.51% Atlantic_Baltic
8.34% East_Asian
4.05% Siberian
2.66% Mediterranean
0.05% Sub_Saharan

K12a
38.37% South_Asian
25.06% Gedrosia
8.88% Southeast_Asian
8.49% Far_Asian
7.53% North_European
6.33% Caucasus
3.64% Siberian
1.02% Mediterranean
0.69% Northwest_African

K12b
39.38% South_Asian
25.64% Gedrosia
8.68% Southeast_Asian
8.55% East_Asian
6.48% North_European
5.44% Caucasus
3.73% Siberian
1.52% Atlantic_Med
0.56% Northwest_African

MDLP,K=7
34.19% Caucassian_Anatolian
29.44% Altaic
22.90% Volga_Region
10.82% Scandinavian
1.02% Balto_Slavic
1.02% North_Atlantic
0.61% Celto_Germanic

WEAC2
51.49% South_Asian
19.27% Southeast_Asian
11.92% Near_East
11.11% Atlantic_Baltic
6.18% Northeast_Asian

HARRAPA WORLD
38.07% S-Indian
25.51% Baloch
9.17% NE-Asian
6.66% NE-Euro
6.55% SE-Asian
6.23% Caucasian
3.55% Siberian
1.50% Papuan
1.50% Beringian
1.15% Mediterranean
0.04% American
0.06% E-African
0.01% SW-Asian

Reza
03-22-2016, 04:11 PM
Really interesting results jortita!

In spite of upto 20pc East Eurasian on your harappa world calculator, you score relatively high NE Euro at 7pc and more interestingly 7pc Caucasian.

What do your oracles show?

Is your ancestry the same on both sides? Ie Assamese and Ahom with no recent outside ancestry? I guess in some ways, it mirrors Bengali Brahmin ancestry but with the additional E Eurasian.

jortita
03-23-2016, 09:04 AM
My Mixed Mode Harappa results

"79.2% bihari-muslim_harappa_4 + 20.8% garo_chaubey_4" "2.765"
[2,] "72% bihari-muslim_harappa_4 + 28% khasi_chaubey_3" "3.109"
[3,] "79.9% bengali_harappa_8 + 20.1% uyghur_hgdp_10" "3.1588"
[4,] "78.8% bihari-muslim_harappa_4 + 21.2% burmanese_chaubey_15" "3.1889"
[5,] "80% bengali-brahmin_harappa_6 + 20% garo_chaubey_4" "3.4037"
[6,] "79.6% bengali-brahmin_harappa_6 + 20.4% burmanese_chaubey_15" "3.6398"
[7,] "79.5% bengali_harappa_8 + 20.5% uzbek_behar_15" "3.6476"
[8,] "79.8% bengali_harappa_8 + 20.2% hazara_hgdp_22" "3.9101"
[9,] "28.5% khasi_chaubey_3 + 71.5% up_harappa_5" "3.9517"
[10,] "73.1% bengali-brahmin_harappa_6 + 26.9% khasi_chaubey_3" "3.9602"

jortita
03-23-2016, 12:22 PM
My mixedmode=T k=30 results.

[1,] "79.7% bengali_harappa_8 + 20.3% uyghur_hgdp_10"
[2,] "79.6% bihari-muslim_harappa_4 + 20.4% garo_chaubey_4"
[3,] "79.3% bengali_harappa_8 + 20.7% uzbek_behar_15"
[4,] "79.3% bihari-muslim_harappa_4 + 20.7% burmanese_chaubey_15"
[5,] "79.5% bengali_harappa_8 + 20.5% hazara_hgdp_22"
[6,] "80.4% bengali-brahmin_harappa_6 + 19.6% garo_chaubey_4"
[7,] "80% bengali-brahmin_harappa_6 + 20% burmanese_chaubey_15"
[8,] "23.4% garo_chaubey_4 + 76.6% vaish_reich_4"
[9,] "24% burmanese_chaubey_15 + 76% vaish_reich_4"
[10,] "83.8% bengali_harappa_8 + 16.2% kazakh_harappa_5"
[11,] "76.4% brahmin-uttar-pradesh_metspalu_8 + 23.6% garo_chaubey_4"
[12,] "24.2% garo_chaubey_4 + 75.8% up-kshatriya_metspalu_7"
[13,] "83.6% bengali_harappa_8 + 16.4% nogai_yunusbayev_16"
[14,] "84.3% bengali_harappa_8 + 15.7% kyrgyz_xing_25"
[15,] "24.8% burmanese_chaubey_15 + 75.2% up-kshatriya_metspalu_7"
[16,] "84.6% bengali_harappa_8 + 15.4% kyrgyz_hodoglugil_16"
[17,] "20.2% garo_chaubey_4 + 79.8% up_harappa_5"
[18,] "24.8% garo_chaubey_4 + 75.2% meghawal_reich_5"
[19,] "25.3% burmanese_chaubey_15 + 74.7% meghawal_reich_5"
[20,] "85.8% bihari-muslim_harappa_4 + 14.2% miao_hgdp_10"
[21,] "86% bihari-muslim_harappa_4 + 14% chinese_xing_5"
[22,] "86% bihari-muslim_harappa_4 + 14% singapore-chinese_sgvp_96"
[23,] "76% brahmin-uttar-pradesh_metspalu_8 + 24% burmanese_chaubey_15"
[24,] "24.7% burmanese_chaubey_15 + 75.3% maharashtrian_harappa_4"
[25,] "36.8% great-andamanese_reich_4 + 63.2% nepalese-a_xing_12"
[26,] "86.2% bihari-muslim_harappa_4 + 13.8% she_hgdp_10"
[27,] "86.1% bihari-muslim_harappa_4 + 13.9% han_hgdp_34"
[28,] "86.2% bihari-muslim_harappa_4 + 13.8% han-chinese-south_1000genomes_92"
[29,] "54.2% burusho_hgdp_25 + 45.8% great-andamanese_reich_4"
[30,] "86.3% bihari-muslim_harappa_4 + 13.7% tujia_hgdp_10"

I was wondering how I can find analysis which includes three components as my feeling is that in my case I am a mix of Indo-European, Tibeto-Burmese and Dai so have not been able to see the Dai mix

jortita
03-24-2016, 12:56 AM
My DNA Tribes results on my FTDNA raw data of my deep ancestry

8343

jortita
03-24-2016, 02:20 AM
This is my regional cluster. I have a feeling all the models given my high South Asian and Baloch component might have categorised my O2A SNPs under ASI rather than pure SE Asia. In my view, my O2A is more Daic as not only people in my family fit the phenotypes of Shanid and East Shanid but also we have HbE presence as well as other traits. I would appreciate your advice on how I can check similar to how Razib has done. 8344

jortita
03-25-2016, 09:15 AM
My MDLP k23b DIY admixture results

39.95% ASI
22.11% ANI
9.96% SE Asia
6.90% Caucasian
4.05% Altai
3.81% Austronesian
2.70% ANE
2.65% EHG
1.63% Australoid
1.39% North African
1.29% EEF
0.91% East Siberian
0.69% Arctic
0.63% Paleo-Siberian
0.49% Melano Polynesian
0.37% Near-East
0.34% Amerindian
0.06% East African
0.02% Archaic African
0.02% African Pygmy
0.02% Khoisan
0.01% Archaic Human
0.01% Subsaharian

Amber29
12-27-2018, 01:10 AM
My Dads maternal haplogroup is m13b2 according to wegene..i dont even know where this has originated from id love to know (curiousity) looked everywhere all it says is Tibet on Wiki but i dont fully trust wiki lol - hopefully 23andme confirms this in jan..

Amber29
02-12-2019, 04:18 PM
Just wanted to say the results was wrong for my fathers mtdna - can even edit it so ignore what I said - just humiliated myself big time lol - i looked at the wrong thing - wish there was a way of deleting the post. but i cant.

laltota
02-12-2019, 05:01 PM
Just wanted to say the results was wrong for my fathers mtdna - can even edit it so ignore what I said - just humiliated myself big time lol - i looked at the wrong thing - wish there was a way of deleting the post. but i cant.

What is the actual mtDna of your father?

aaronbee2010
02-12-2019, 07:01 PM
Just wanted to say the results was wrong for my fathers mtdna - can even edit it so ignore what I said - just humiliated myself big time lol - i looked at the wrong thing - wish there was a way of deleting the post. but i cant.

My uncle got R1b-Z2109 for his 23andMe result, which is super rare. I paid for him to verify his terminal SNP via YSEQ. I'm gonna feel really stupid if it turns out 23andMe messed up and I made a thread about it for no reason lol

Amber29
02-12-2019, 11:36 PM
My uncle got R1b-Z2109 for his 23andMe result, which is super rare. I paid for him to verify his terminal SNP via YSEQ. I'm gonna feel really stupid if it turns out 23andMe messed up and I made a thread about it for no reason lol

trust me i know the feeling through 23andme i got dads result today his mtdna lineage is actually m5a2a1 haha - now i think with this i might go with mtdna plus as a starter then upgrade lol -

Amber29
02-12-2019, 11:37 PM
What is the actual mtDna of your father?

m5a2a1 - i shouldnt have done what i did - hahah

Amber29
02-12-2019, 11:50 PM
My uncle got R1b-Z2109 for his 23andMe result, which is super rare. I paid for him to verify his terminal SNP via YSEQ. I'm gonna feel really stupid if it turns out 23andMe messed up and I made a thread about it for no reason lol

i doubt it that 23andme would have got it wrong for your uncle...i think its legit yours is its a possibility -

laltota
02-13-2019, 08:03 AM
m5a2a1 - i shouldnt have done what i did - hahah

My wife is mtDna M5a2a1a1 (from mtFull Sequence test at FTDNA) :D

Amber29
02-13-2019, 09:56 AM
My wife is mtDna M5a2a1a1 (from mtFull Sequence test at FTDNA) :D

do you know where its highly concentrated? - is it possible to upgrade from the mtdna plus or shall i get it one go? i used up my resources haha - ( i sent my sample off my mtdna but im curious about dads now - feel sorry for him i keep disturbing him for his saliva - and i gave him wrong info oopsy daisy) if i get fathers results ill keep u up to date see i it matches your Mrs by any chance :D lol

Slimm623
08-27-2019, 11:04 PM
I'm not sure what people think of Wegene, but I have found that they've always been correct about haplogroups before. Wegene gave me the same haplogroups as 23andMe. Then when I downloaded my Ancestry raw data to wegene, they gave me the same haplogroups as 23andMe had. Downloading my mother's Ancestry data to Wegene gave her the same mtDNA haplo that they and 23andMe had given me. And in all cases wegene went further, giving me subclades.

So, with that being said, I am very curious about the results they have given my wife. She was born in the Peruvian Andes. Her automsomal results have all (Ancestry, DNA Land, Wegene) shown her to be roughly 85% Native American/Asian and 15% European. Our daughter, using her Ancestry raw data, had been given the broad maternal haplo L'1'2'3'4'5'6. I have just uploaded my wife's Ancestry raw data, and they have designated her M13b2.

I have done some googling and am aware that M is a subbranch of L3. However there is nothing I can find about M13 being in the Americas. I am quite confident they are correct about the M part but would need to find some confirmation that M13 exists in the Americas to be convinced of the 13 part. Does anyone know?

Amber29
08-27-2019, 11:15 PM
I'm not sure what people think of Wegene, but I have found that they've always been correct about haplogroups before. Wegene gave me the same haplogroups as 23andMe. Then when I downloaded my Ancestry raw data to wegene, they gave me the same haplogroups as 23andMe had. Downloading my mother's Ancestry data to Wegene gave her the same mtDNA haplo that they and 23andMe had given me. And in all cases wegene went further, giving me subclades.

So, with that being said, I am very curious about the results they have given my wife. She was born in the Peruvian Andes. Her automsomal results have all (Ancestry, DNA Land, Wegene) shown her to be roughly 85% Native American/Asian and 15% European. Our daughter, using her Ancestry raw data, had been given the broad maternal haplo L'1'2'3'4'5'6. I have just uploaded my wife's Ancestry raw data, and they have designated her M13b2.

I have done some googling and am aware that M is a subbranch of L3. However there is nothing I can find about M13 being in the Americas. I am quite confident they are correct about the M part but would need to find some confirmation that M13 exists in the Americas to be convinced of the 13 part. Does anyone know?

They give m13b2 to everyone i recently uploaded my sisters results and they got the same. Even though she is w1c they gave it good to my brother..... m13b2 is mainly tibet and east asian but u sure its m13b2? Because my dad got given that when he was acctually a m5a2a1a1 just becareful everytime..

aaronbee2010
08-27-2019, 11:24 PM
They give m13b2 to everyone i recently uploaded my sisters results and they got the same. Even though she is w1c they gave it good to my brother..... m13b2 is mainly tibet and east asian but u sure its m13b2? Because my dad got given that when he was acctually a m5a2a1a1 just becareful everytime..

So your siblings and father were both given M13b2 despite being from very different maternal lines? These guys are pretty dodgy with their haplos xD

Slimm623
08-28-2019, 12:23 AM
They give m13b2 to everyone i recently uploaded my sisters results and they got the same. Even though she is w1c they gave it good to my brother..... m13b2 is mainly tibet and east asian but u sure its m13b2? Because my dad got given that when he was acctually a m5a2a1a1 just becareful everytime..


So your siblings and father were both given M13b2 despite being from very different maternal lines? These guys are pretty dodgy with their haplos xD

Like Aaron, I am a little confused. I do not understand exactly what they gave you, your brother, and your sister and what you three actually are in reality.

I tested with 23andMe, and they said I was T2. Wegene gave my mother's Ancestry raw data T2, they gave my Ancestry raw data T2, and they gave my 23andMe raw data T2f. And James Lick, using my 23andMe raw data gave me these possibilities: T2f, T2f7, T2h, and T2g. So Wegene was correct with my mom and me.

Amber29
08-28-2019, 06:24 AM
So your siblings and father were both given M13b2 despite being from very different maternal lines? These guys are pretty dodgy with their haplos xD

Yes haha. I can show you a screenshot if needed lol

Marv
09-29-2019, 04:30 PM
I'm not sure what people think of Wegene, but I have found that they've always been correct about haplogroups before. Wegene gave me the same haplogroups as 23andMe. Then when I downloaded my Ancestry raw data to wegene, they gave me the same haplogroups as 23andMe had. Downloading my mother's Ancestry data to Wegene gave her the same mtDNA haplo that they and 23andMe had given me. And in all cases wegene went further, giving me subclades.

So, with that being said, I am very curious about the results they have given my wife. She was born in the Peruvian Andes. Her automsomal results have all (Ancestry, DNA Land, Wegene) shown her to be roughly 85% Native American/Asian and 15% European. Our daughter, using her Ancestry raw data, had been given the broad maternal haplo L'1'2'3'4'5'6. I have just uploaded my wife's Ancestry raw data, and they have designated her M13b2.

I have done some googling and am aware that M is a subbranch of L3. However there is nothing I can find about M13 being in the Americas. I am quite confident they are correct about the M part but would need to find some confirmation that M13 exists in the Americas to be convinced of the 13 part. Does anyone know?


They give m13b2 to everyone i recently uploaded my sisters results and they got the same. Even though she is w1c they gave it good to my brother..... m13b2 is mainly tibet and east asian but u sure its m13b2? Because my dad got given that when he was acctually a m5a2a1a1 just becareful everytime..

I was also given mtDNA haplogroup M13b2 on Wegene, but I'm African-American. On AncestryDNA I'm 1% Native American, but on Wegene I suppose they have designated it as moreso 1.06% Central Asian(Kyrgyz) and 0.97% Papuan, whereas 0.30% Mayan.

However, wegene designated my Y-DNA haplogroup as E1b1a1a1a1c, which it appears to be a subclade of E-M2(found in West, Central and South Africa). I'm a bit skeptical on the mtDNA portion.

Amber29
09-29-2019, 04:33 PM
I was also given mtDNA haplogroup M13b2 on Wegene, but I'm African-American. On AncestryDNA I'm 1% Native American, but on Wegene I suppose they have designated it as moreso 1.06% Central Asian(Kyrgyz) and 0.97% Papuan, whereas 0.30% Mayan.

However, wegene designated my Y-DNA haplogroup as E1b1a1a1a1c, which it appears to be subclade of E-M2(found in West, Central and South Africa). I'm a bit skeptical on the mtDNA portion.

its based on south/east asian genes so but id say get it properly tested by ftdna or other wgs or yseq

Marv
09-29-2019, 09:47 PM
I'm not sure what people think of Wegene, but I have found that they've always been correct about haplogroups before. Wegene gave me the same haplogroups as 23andMe. Then when I downloaded my Ancestry raw data to wegene, they gave me the same haplogroups as 23andMe had. Downloading my mother's Ancestry data to Wegene gave her the same mtDNA haplo that they and 23andMe had given me. And in all cases wegene went further, giving me subclades.

So, with that being said, I am very curious about the results they have given my wife. She was born in the Peruvian Andes. Her automsomal results have all (Ancestry, DNA Land, Wegene) shown her to be roughly 85% Native American/Asian and 15% European. Our daughter, using her Ancestry raw data, had been given the broad maternal haplo L'1'2'3'4'5'6. I have just uploaded my wife's Ancestry raw data, and they have designated her M13b2.

I have done some googling and am aware that M is a subbranch of L3. However there is nothing I can find about M13 being in the Americas. I am quite confident they are correct about the M part but would need to find some confirmation that M13 exists in the Americas to be convinced of the 13 part. Does anyone know?


They give m13b2 to everyone i recently uploaded my sisters results and they got the same. Even though she is w1c they gave it good to my brother..... m13b2 is mainly tibet and east asian but u sure its m13b2? Because my dad got given that when he was acctually a m5a2a1a1 just becareful everytime..


its based on south/east asian genes so but id say get it properly tested by ftdna or other wgs or yseq

I guess they are picking up the M haplogroup through either Native American ancestry or maybe even a Malagasy(from Madagascar) ancestor. But I do plan on getting it tested through 23andme(provides both Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroup), FTDNA tests are too expensive for me right now.

Amber29
09-29-2019, 10:37 PM
I guess they are picking up the M haplogroup through either Native American ancestry or maybe even a Malagasy(from Madagascar) ancestor. But I do plan on getting it tested through 23andme(provides both Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroup), FTDNA tests are too expensive for me right now.

m13b2 is actually tibetan related. but yes 23andMe will provide that for you :) good luck!