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psaglav
04-08-2016, 09:04 PM
There's a neat update on DNA.land's ancestry composition.

Here's mine to show you how it looks:

8637

psaglav
04-08-2016, 09:06 PM
The definitions are:

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kingjohn
04-08-2016, 09:14 PM
thanks psaglav
it is so cool here is mine results :

West Eurasian 100% Ashkenazi/Levantine 36% Ashkenazi 33%
Ambiguous 2.6%
South European 30% Italian 16%
Balkan 14%
Arab/Egyptian 15%
Southwestern European 7.8% Southwestern European 5.3%
Ambiguous 2.5%
Indo-Iranian 7.8%
Central Indoeuropean 4.6%

best reagrds
adam

khanabadoshi
04-08-2016, 09:17 PM
Cool! Now I might upload everyone else I have; maybe I'll re-upload myself and see if my results change under this new setup, like how others had happen.

EDIT: To save you guys the trouble, I've uploaded my data again to see if I get the same results. I've also uploaded the rest of my relatives.

https://i.gyazo.com/a282ad0848ef917b899d76c6ab650983.png

psaglav
04-08-2016, 09:17 PM
I now see that the definitions I attached are only mine as new definitions showed up when I checked out other family members. It'd be great if others posted definitions that are not listed above -or there's probably a list with all the new ones but I wasn't able to find it.

khanabadoshi
04-08-2016, 09:19 PM
I now see that the definitions I attached are only mine as new definitions showed up when I checked out other family members. It'd be great if others posted definitions that are not listed above -or there's probably a list with all the new ones but I wasn't able to find it.

https://i.gyazo.com/81f40cda36ae8d64116b48d660db10b4.png

Hanna
04-08-2016, 09:19 PM
My results:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xat1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12963644_510428759143219_3193576994215902605_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=646505ad8c44b5cabd50c2b36f06a539&oe=5840898B&__gda__=1477508010_edca132fa953a293e02373678e59a79 d

https://scontent-sin1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12928335_510429055809856_6207020930874267950_n.jpg ?oh=1da0e98f2241d3fde700c1de12acb73f&oe=578243BD

Deftextra
04-08-2016, 09:37 PM
My results:

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Details
Arab/Egyptian
Includes: Egyptian in (2 sites) Egypt; Palestinian, BedouinA and BedouinB in (Central, Negev and 1 other site) Israel; Jordanian in Jordan; Saudi in Saudi Arabia; Syrian in Syrian and Yemen and Yemenite Jew in Yemen
Does not include: Bantu, Kikuyu and Luhya in (Webuye and 2 other sites) Kenya; Armenian in Armenia; Cypriot in Cyprus; Greek in Greece; Iranian in Iran; Turkish in (Adana, Aydin, Kayseri and Trabzon) Turkey; Luhya in (Kenya) Webuye and Esan in Nigeria

Dravidian
Includes: Bengali in Bangladesh; Sri Lankan Tamil from Sri Lanka (expat in the UK) and Indian Telugu from Southern India (expat in the UK)
Does not include: Bantu in Kenya; Ju hoan_North in Namibia; Cambodian in Cambodia; Dai, Lahu, Naxi, Tu and Xibo in China; Australian in Australia; Burusho in Pakistan and Gujarati Indian from Gujarat (expat in Houston TX)

Indo-Iranian
Includes: Balochi, Brahui and Makrani in Pakistan
Does not include: Turkmen and Uzbek in Uzbekistan; Hazara, Pathan and Sindhi in Pakistan; Iranian in Iran and Gujarati Indian from Gujarat (expat in Houston TX)

Southwestern European
Includes: Basque/French and French in (South and 1 other site) France and Basque/Spanish and Iberian Population in Spain
Does not include: Algerian and Mozabite in Algeria; Saharawi in (Morocco) Western Sahara; Scottish Argyll_Bute_GBR and British in England; Icelandic in Iceland and Italian/Bergamo and Sardinian in (Bergamo and Sardinia) Italy

South European
Includes: Albanian in Albania; Bulgarian in Bulgaria; Greek in (2 sites) Greece and Italian/Bergamo, Italian/Tuscan and Toscani in (Bergamo, Tuscany and 1 other site) Italy
Does not include: Egyptian in (2 sites) Egypt; Belarusian in Belarus; Basque/French in France; Italian/EastSicilian, Italian/WestSicilian and Sardinian in (Sardinia and 2 other sites) Italy; Lithuanian in Lithuania; Ashkenazi Jew in Poland; Turkish in (Aydin, Balikesir and Istanbul) Turkey; Ukrainian in (East) Ukraine and Ashkenazi Jew from East Europe especially Lithuania (expat in Baltimore MD)

East African
Includes: Bantu, Kikuyu, Luhya, Luo and Masai in (Webuye, Kinyawa and 4 other sites) Kenya; Datog in Tanzania and Luhya in (Kenya) Webuye
Does not include: Mbuti (Pygmy) in Congo; Egyptian in Egypt; Ju hoan_North in Namibia; Hadza in Tanzania; Saudi in Saudi Arabia; Yemen and Yemenite Jew in Yemen; Esan in Nigeria and Sri Lankan Tamil from Sri Lanka (expat in the UK)

North African
Includes: Algerian and Mozabite in Algeria; Tunisian in Tunisia and Saharawi in (Morocco) Western Sahara
Does not include: Yoruba and Esan in Nigeria; Mandenka in Senegal; Basque/French in France; Icelandic in Iceland; Italian/WestSicilian and Sardinian in (Sardinia and 1 other site) Italy; Maltese in Malta; Iberian Population in Spain and Gambian in Western Gambia

Southeast Asian
Includes: Dai and Lahu in China; Chinese Dai in (China) Xishuangbanna and Kinh in (Vietnam) Ho Chi Minh City
Does not include: Cambodian in Cambodia; Miao, Naxi, Yi and Southern Han in China; Bengali in Bangladesh and Indian Telugu from Southern India (expat in the UK)

Stephen1986
04-08-2016, 09:37 PM
My new results -

West Eurasian 100%

North/Central European 90%
Southwestern European 8.2%
Ambiguous West Eurasian 2%

North/central European
Includes: Scottish Argyll_Bute_GBR and British in England; Icelandic in Iceland; Norwegian in Norway and Orcadian in Orkney Islands
Does not include: Saharawi in (Morocco) Western Sahara; Piapoco in Colombia; Estonian in Estonia; Basque/French and French in (South and 1 other site) France; Basque/Spanish and Iberian Population in Spain; Finnish in Finland and Gambian in Western Gambia

Southwestern European

Includes: Basque/French and French in (South and 1 other site) France and Basque/Spanish and Iberian Population in Spain
Does not include: Algerian and Mozabite in Algeria; Saharawi in (Morocco) Western Sahara; Scottish Argyll_Bute_GBR and British in England; Icelandic in Iceland and Italian/Bergamo and Sardinian in (Bergamo and Sardinia) Italy

Ambiguous West Eurasian

West Eurasian is a very general category containing Arab/Egyptian, Ashkenazi/Levantine, Central Asian, Northeast European, South Asian, South European, North/central European, Southwestern European and Central Indoeuropean

My brother's new results -

West Eurasian 100%

North/Central European 90%
Ashkenazi/Levantine 4.2% (all of which is considered Ambiguous)
Ambiguous 4.2%
Central Asian 1.9% (all of which is considered Ambiguous)

Ambiguous Ashkenazi/Levantine

Ashkenazi/Levantine is a general category containing Ashkenazi and Mediterranean Islander

Ambiguous Central Asian

Central Asian is a general category containing Indo-Iranian, Mid-Turkic, Kalash and Indus Valley

Tjada
04-08-2016, 09:43 PM
Hi all,

My results;

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Dr_McNinja
04-08-2016, 09:59 PM
I really like their layout. Also, now all the results are consistent and don't vary with multiple uploads.

Also, they seem to have "cracked" my family's weird South Asian results with my mother, grandmother and her first cousin (the latter of whom is also closely related to both my grandmother and my father, and my father is also my mother's second cousin, so there shouldn't be such huge variance in our results... they're all inbred from the same village more or less):

Me:

http://i.imgur.com/1Cg2AjQ.png

My mother:

http://i.imgur.com/OiCvzf4.png

My father:

http://i.imgur.com/XhkWyOr.png

My grandmother (mother's mother):

http://i.imgur.com/28bhA0c.png

My mother's first cousin (on her father's side, through which my father is also related to her):

http://i.imgur.com/5m0onc6.png

Ambiguous West Eurasian is probably European-like since it goes all into European for my dad.

Dr_McNinja
04-08-2016, 10:03 PM
HRP0393 Haryana Jatt:

http://i.imgur.com/wF2Xe14.png


HRP0370 Afghan Pashtun:

http://i.imgur.com/uYUHgSG.png


HRP0402 Punjabi Jatt Muslim (Pahari/Pakistani):

http://i.imgur.com/gjgJ86R.png

CelticGerman
04-08-2016, 10:07 PM
Very good

8643

Hanna
04-08-2016, 10:14 PM
My results:

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What is your ancestry?

Táltos
04-08-2016, 10:14 PM
New ancestry updates at DNA Land! I'm having trouble signing in to my second account for me. Hope I can figure that one out soon. :)

But here is one of mine:
South European 48% Balkan 47%
Ambiguous 1.7%
Northeast European 31% North Slavic 28%
Finnish 3.5%
North/central European 21%

Mom:
South European 51% Italian 41%
Balkan 9.3%
North/central European 26%
Ambiguous 15%
Central Indoeuropean 8.7%

Hanna
04-08-2016, 10:17 PM
New ancestry updates at DNA Land! I'm having trouble signing in to my second account for me. Hope I can figure that one out soon. :)

But here is one of mine:
South European 48% Balkan 47%
Ambiguous 1.7%
Northeast European 31% North Slavic 28%
Finnish 3.5%
North/central European 21%

Mom:
South European 51% Italian 41%
Balkan 9.3%
North/central European 26%
Ambiguous 15%
Central Indoeuropean 8.7%
There is a new thread for the update:
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6860-DNA-land-update

Lirio100
04-08-2016, 10:20 PM
West Eurasian 100%

North/central European 62%

Northeast European 17% Finnish 11%
North Slavic 5.5%

South European 11%
Italian 9.7%
Ambiguous 1.3%

Ashkenazi 11%

The Finnish and the South European was something of a surprise.

Táltos
04-08-2016, 10:23 PM
There is a new thread for the update:
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6860-DNA-land-update

Thanks Hanna! Completely missed it, so moved them. :)

icebreaker
04-08-2016, 10:23 PM
Central Indoeuropean 53%
Mediterranean Islander 21%
Balkan 7.7%
Arab/Egyptian 4.8%
Indo-Iranian 4.5%
Ambiguous 2.7%
East Asian 6.4%
Mongolic/Tungusic 4%
Ambiguous 2.4%

AJL
04-08-2016, 10:36 PM
Wow, I'm up to 7.8% "Ambiguous."

khanabadoshi
04-08-2016, 10:37 PM
I really like their layout. Also, now all the results are consistent and don't vary with multiple uploads.

Also, they seem to have "cracked" my family's weird South Asian results with my mother, grandmother and her first cousin (the latter of whom is also closely related to both my grandmother and my father, and my father is also my mother's second cousin, so there shouldn't be such huge variance in our results... they're all inbred from the same village more or less):



Ambiguous West Eurasian is probably European-like since it goes all into European for my dad.

I was thinking your family would get some central Indo-European as well, besides that, your Mother's and mine are pretty similar -- it seems it's pretty much the only difference. I'll upload the rest of mi familia when the results come. This new update is very interesting.

EDIT: Reading over the populations in Central Indoeuropean, I'm not sure why I scored any of it at all. I'll see if it's the same in the re-upload.

evon
04-08-2016, 10:40 PM
My clan:
http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp207/vulcanphoto/fam11.png

Rukha
04-08-2016, 10:40 PM
http://i.imgur.com/713nw0s.png

Varun R
04-08-2016, 10:48 PM
There's the NW Europe I was expecting :p

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John Doe
04-08-2016, 10:55 PM
West Eurasian 100%
Ashkenazi/Levantine 98%
-Ashkenazi 96%
-Ambiguous 2.8%
Ambiguous 1.7%

Asimakidis
04-08-2016, 10:57 PM
A person with 50% swedish ancestry, 50% greek (where half is from W.Thrace and half Asia minor coast) -not related to me.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8646&stc=1

ArmandoR1b
04-08-2016, 11:05 PM
Still no good. The results are too different from known genealogy and from testing from the DNA companies and the Gedmatch calculators.

Rukha
04-08-2016, 11:06 PM
Here's the definition of the Mid-Turkic component. Looks like I'm the only one who's scored it thus far. I'd expect Khana's grandmother to as well. Interestingly it includes Pamiris-

Mid-Turkic

Includes: Tajik in (Pomiri) Tajikistan; Turkmen and Uzbek in Uzbekistan; Uygur in China and Hazara in Pakistan
Does not include: Altaian, Kalmyk, Tubalar, Lezgin and Mordovian in Russia; Xibo in China; Brahui, Burusho, Kalash and Pathan in Pakistan and Iranian in Iran

VelvetNono
04-08-2016, 11:09 PM
What does "Mediterranean Islander" represent? Could anyone post the info about it?

icebreaker
04-08-2016, 11:11 PM
What does "Mediterranean Islander" represent? Could anyone post the info about it?

Mediterranean Islander

Includes: Cypriot in Cyprus; Italian/EastSicilian and Italian/WestSicilian in Italy and Maltese in Malta
Does not include: Egyptian in Egypt; Tunisian in Tunisia; Albanian in Albania; Greek in Greece; Palestinian in (Central) Israel; Sardinian and Toscani in (Sardinia and 1 other site) Italy; Syrian in Syrian and Turkish in (Adana, Aydin, Kayseri and 1 other site) Turkey

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complete list:

Central Indoeuropean
Includes: Abkhasian in Abkhazia; Armenian in Armenia; Georgian/Megrels in Georgia; Iranian in Iran; Druze in (Carmel) Israel; Balkar, Chechen, Kumyk, Lezgin, North Ossetian and Adygei in (Caucasus and 5 other sites) Russia and Turkish in (Adana, Aydin, Balikesir, Istanbul, Kayseri, Trabzon and 1 other site) Turkey
Does not include: Egyptian in Egypt; Kalmyk and Mordovian in Russia; Turkmen in Uzbekistan; Brahui and Makrani in Pakistan; Bulgarian in Bulgaria; Cypriot in Cyprus; Greek in Greece; Jordanian in Jordan; Saudi in Saudi Arabia; Syrian in Syrian and Ukrainian in (East) Ukraine

Mediterranean Islander
Includes: Cypriot in Cyprus; Italian/EastSicilian and Italian/WestSicilian in Italy and Maltese in Malta
Does not include: Egyptian in Egypt; Tunisian in Tunisia; Albanian in Albania; Greek in Greece; Palestinian in (Central) Israel; Sardinian and Toscani in (Sardinia and 1 other site) Italy; Syrian in Syrian and Turkish in (Adana, Aydin, Kayseri and 1 other site) Turkey

Balkan
Includes: Albanian in Albania; Bulgarian in Bulgaria and Greek in (2 sites) Greece
Does not include: Egyptian in (2 sites) Egypt; Belarusian in Belarus; Italian/EastSicilian, Italian/Bergamo and Toscani in (Bergamo and 2 other sites) Italy; Lithuanian in Lithuania; Ashkenazi Jew in Poland; Turkish in (Aydin, Balikesir and Istanbul) Turkey; Ukrainian in (East) Ukraine and Ashkenazi Jew from East Europe especially Lithuania (expat in Baltimore MD)

Arab/Egyptian
Includes: Egyptian in (2 sites) Egypt; Palestinian, BedouinA and BedouinB in (Central, Negev and 1 other site) Israel; Jordanian in Jordan; Saudi in Saudi Arabia; Syrian in Syrian and Yemen and Yemenite Jew in Yemen
Does not include: Bantu, Kikuyu and Luhya in (Webuye and 2 other sites) Kenya; Armenian in Armenia; Cypriot in Cyprus; Greek in Greece; Iranian in Iran; Turkish in (Adana, Aydin, Kayseri and Trabzon) Turkey; Luhya in (Kenya) Webuye and Esan in Nigeria

Indo-Iranian
Includes: Balochi, Brahui and Makrani in Pakistan
Does not include: Turkmen and Uzbek in Uzbekistan; Hazara, Pathan and Sindhi in Pakistan; Iranian in Iran and Gujarati Indian from Gujarat (expat in Houston TX)

Mongolic/Tungusic
Includes: Mongol, Daur, Hezhen, Oroqen, Tu and Xibo in China and Ulchi in Russia
Does not include: Itelmen, Nganasan, Tubalar, Tuvinian and Yakut in Russia; Han, Naxi, Tujia, Uygur and Yi in (NChina and 4 other sites) China; Japanese in Japan; Korean in Korea; Burusho in Pakistan; Han in (China) Bejing; Japanese in (Japan) Tokyo and Bengali in Bangladesh

Ambiguous West Eurasian
West Eurasian is a very general category containing Arab/Egyptian, Ashkenazi/Levantine, Central Asian, Northeast European, South Asian, South European, North/central European, Southwestern European and Central Indoeuropean

Ambiguous East Asian
East Asian is a very general category containing Southeast Asian, East Asian, Northeast Asian and East-Turkic

Hanna
04-08-2016, 11:12 PM
What does "Mediterranean Islander" represent? Could anyone post the info about it?

Cypriots, Italian/ East Sicilian/West Sicilian and Maltese

Awale
04-08-2016, 11:17 PM
Sheikh Awale:

http://oi66.tinypic.com/dn29mv.jpg

Makes sense... The "East African" is probably at the level it is because of all of the shared Cushitic speaker-derived ancestry between the Sheikh and Maasais, Kikuyus and Datogs (http://anthromadness.blogspot.ae/2015/05/south-cushitic-admixture-in-southeast.html).

ancestryfan1994
04-08-2016, 11:19 PM
I think these sort of calculators are fun to compare, but they really are not telling you anything serious. I agree with armando that this new calculator seems quite raw, its not picking up accurate genealogical percentages for many users. I would have hoped that since the time that they launched this project, they would have been working on an update that does the project justice....still early but I'm not really convinced with the purpose of this update...just seems too jumbled up and messy.

kingjohn
04-08-2016, 11:27 PM
why you say this
the result are close to my ftdna my origins .
regards
adam

wandering_amorite
04-08-2016, 11:30 PM
Genealogically full Ashkenazi; the new tool has me at 95% Ashkenazi, 2.4% Arab/Egyptian, and 2.3% Ambiguous West Eurasian.

ancestryfan1994
04-08-2016, 11:31 PM
why you say this
the result are close to my ftdna my origins .
regards
adam

In my humble opinion, FTDNA my origins is probably the worst garbage when it comes to ancestry DNA tests...much worse that this one lol...

Look, this new DNAland calculator is not that bad, and certainly a notch up from their previous attempt which makes me optimistic that the next level will be even better (I hope). But it clearly has massive holes in it from what Im seeing of similar groups to Iranians that have posted their results. For some it seems to nail it, like the person above. For me, and any Iranian and related groups, results seem quite off. I have some distant southern european ancestry, but 9% is a stretch for example. Maybe its just picking up on ancient drifts and signals....which even still, isn't really useful for people interested in recent ancestry.

Dorkymon
04-08-2016, 11:36 PM
It's similar to my 23andme results and that's impressive

http://i.imgur.com/9j7hDEc.png
http://i.imgur.com/iYLxwCx.png

Deftextra
04-08-2016, 11:37 PM
Benadiri. A Small minority in southern somalia of mixed orgin who live in the coastal city's and towns.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5259-Gedmatch-oracle-question/page3

wandering_amorite
04-08-2016, 11:41 PM
kingjohn, what's your Ashkenazi/Sephardi/Mizrahi/other breakdown? Curious to know how Jewish non-Ashkenazi ancestry breaks down on this.

crossover
04-08-2016, 11:45 PM
my grandpa got some unexpected balkan
here's his new results
Southwestern European 31%
Balkan 29%
Ambiguous West Eurasian 8%
Native American 25%
Amazonian 1.8%
Ambiguous african 3.2%
Ambiguous east asian 1.7%

here's my mom's
Southwestern European 23%
Sardinian 5.9%
Balkan 18%
Indo-Iranian 4.1%
North/central European 3.7%
Ambiguous west eurasian 3.3%
Native American 34%
West African 2.1%
East African 2.1%
East Asian 2.7%
Ambiguous 1.1%

khanabadoshi
04-08-2016, 11:50 PM
In my humble opinion, FTDNA my origins is probably the worst garbage when it comes to ancestry DNA tests...much worse that this one lol...

Look, this new DNAland calculator is not that bad, and certainly a notch up from their previous attempt which makes me optimistic that the next level will be even better (I hope). But it clearly has massive holes in it from what Im seeing of similar groups to Iranians that have posted their results. For some it seems to nail it, like the person above. For me, and any Iranian and related groups, results seem quite off. I have some distant southern european ancestry, but 9% is a stretch for example. Maybe its just picking up on ancient drifts and signals....which even still, isn't really useful for people interested in recent ancestry.

Did you post yours? Curious to see how an Irani looks in this new setup.

Illyro-Vlach
04-08-2016, 11:52 PM
DNA.Land still needs a lot more people to sign up but the fact that they're making some changes is a good sign.

Comparing my new results with my 23andMe is funny as it's wayyyyy off in respect to the assignments given to me for Balkan and Northeast European.

(and no, Niccolo Salo is not my real name)

http://i.imgur.com/5gib5n6.png

http://i.imgur.com/kLjbJVi.png

ancestryfan1994
04-08-2016, 11:54 PM
Did you post yours? Curious to see how an Irani looks in this new setup.

West Eurasian 99% Central Asian 33% Indo-Iranian 24%
Indus Valley 9.3%
Arab/Egyptian 28%
Central Indoeuropean 20%
Mediterranean Islander 18%
Ambiguous 1.4%

crossover
04-09-2016, 12:02 AM
how many people here got higher than expected balkan?

drobbah
04-09-2016, 12:03 AM
Similiar to Awale except I have less North African
8648

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 12:04 AM
how many people here got higher than expected balkan?

I got 3%, wasn't expecting any.

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Does anyone know where to get a list of their entire breakdown populations? I tried going through the source code linked in their help section, but that is beyond my depth. I am considering making a dendrogram, but it is going to be extremely tedious considering there are so many populations and I don't have a complete list.

Illyro-Vlach
04-09-2016, 12:12 AM
how many people here got higher than expected balkan?

Opposite case here...My Balkan is only half of what I got with 23andMe.

gruder
04-09-2016, 12:14 AM
8649

The 98% North/Central European is similar to my 95% Northwestern European on 23andMe, but that Kalash is something new.....

EDIT: I used two emails to make 2 accounts along time ago and I just checked the other one. It has me at 92% North/Central European, 4.5% Ambiguous (West Eurasian), and 2% Kalash.

Mellifluous
04-09-2016, 12:21 AM
Here's the definition of the Mid-Turkic component. Looks like I'm the only one who's scored it thus far. I'd expect Khana's grandmother to as well. Interestingly it includes Pamiris-

Mid-Turkic

Includes: Tajik in (Pomiri) Tajikistan; Turkmen and Uzbek in Uzbekistan; Uygur in China and Hazara in Pakistan
Does not include: Altaian, Kalmyk, Tubalar, Lezgin and Mordovian in Russia; Xibo in China; Brahui, Burusho, Kalash and Pathan in Pakistan and Iranian in Iran

I got it too!

8651

Is any other SC Asian or Iranian getting Balkan?

Sikeliot
04-09-2016, 12:22 AM
What does "Mediterranean Islander" represent? Could anyone post the info about it?

Sicilians, Cypriots, and Maltese. Basically Eastern Mediterranean islands intermediate between Levant and South Europe.

Mellifluous
04-09-2016, 12:25 AM
I got 3%, wasn't expecting any.

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Does anyone know where to get a list of their entire breakdown populations? I tried going through the source code linked in their help section, but that is beyond my depth. I am considering making a dendrogram, but it is going to be extremely tedious considering there are so many populations and I don't have a complete list.

Have you posted your grandmother's results?

kingjohn
04-09-2016, 12:25 AM
mizrachi jews didn't experience the genetic bottlneck
aschenazi experience in mediveal europe.
and they mixed with iranian tribes since babylonian exile up to 400 AD
later the islam came and the jewish communities experience endogomy{high ibd share} but the iranian ancestery is there 7.8% here and
6% in ftdna my origins.
about sefhardic jews they are more mixed than aschenazi with mediterrnean population . so i guess i got the italian from this side.
about the 14% balkan it 100% sure since my grandmother is bulgarian gentile {and dna land use bulgarian as refrence for balkan }
hope it calarify little bit at least thats my thought on this
regards
adam

Agamemnon
04-09-2016, 12:28 AM
My father's results:

http://pichoster.net/images/2016/04/09/dnaland%20updated%20dad.jpg


My mother's results:

http://pichoster.net/images/2016/04/09/dnaland%20updated%20mom.jpg


My results:

http://pichoster.net/images/2016/04/09/dnaland%20updated%20moi.jpg


It broadly makes sense, I guess... The whole thing starts looking kinda clumsy if I take idiosyncratic details into account (my dad being 1.9% North/Central Euro or me being "just" 42% Ashkenazi for example), so a part of me thinks this shouldn't be taken too seriously. Things get interesting with my mother's results though, the 8.3% North Slavic doesn't exactly sound outlandish since one of the discoveries I've made when her results came in is that she has Slavic ancestry (through her Norse ancestry), though 8.3% sure sounds inflated to me (who knows), so another part of me is rather impressed really.

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 12:31 AM
Have you posted your grandmother's results?

LMAO, I knew you were waiting for that. I uploaded the rest of my khandan today, since the results look more detailed now. I've been F5ing ever since. Balq is the first one I uploaded, so I'll post her here as soon as it comes hot off the press.

Hanna
04-09-2016, 12:32 AM
My father's results:

http://pichoster.net/images/2016/04/09/dnaland%20updated%20dad.jpg


My mother's results:

http://pichoster.net/images/2016/04/09/dnaland%20updated%20mom.jpg


My results:

http://pichoster.net/images/2016/04/09/dnaland%20updated%20moi.jpg


It broadly makes sense, I guess... The whole thing starts looking kinda clumsy if I take idiosyncratic details into account (my dad being 1.9% North/Central Euro or me being "just" 42% Ashkenazi for example), so a part of me thinks this shouldn't be taken too seriously. Things get interesting with my mother's results though, the 8.3% North Slavic doesn't exactly sound outlandish since one of the discoveries I've made when her results came in is that she has Slavic ancestry (through her Norse ancestry), though 8.3% sure sounds inflated to me (who knows), so another part of me is rather impressed really.

Does your Ashkenazi score break down? I got Ashkenazi/Levantine 19% then it breaks down to 18% Mediterranean Islander and 1.2% ambiguous.

Mellifluous
04-09-2016, 12:34 AM
LMAO, I knew you were waiting for that. I uploaded the rest of my khandan today, since the results look more detailed now. I've been F5ing ever since. Balq is the first one I uploaded, so I'll post her here as soon as it comes hot off the press.

Hahaha.

I'm looking forward to her results. I heard you scored some Balkan (I scored 12%, haven't seen that in other SC asians yet), so I'm curious to see if you might be getting it from her! :)

rms2
04-09-2016, 12:34 AM
You inspired me to look at my DNA Land stuff.

8652

That "ambiguous" thing is "Ambiguous West Eurasian". Got more Finnish than I expected, but that explains my love of cold weather and big fir trees. ;)

ZephyrousMandaru
04-09-2016, 12:37 AM
Well, it looks like they need to recalibrate my results again since the raw data I was using was from an earlier build.

http://s22.postimg.org/lmfeveg0h/DNA_Land_Ancestry_Composition.png

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 12:39 AM
Hahaha.

I'm looking forward to her results. I heard you scored some Balkan (I scored 12%, haven't seen that in other SC asians yet), so I'm curious to see if you might be getting it from her! :)

I'll be posting her and her brother first, I don't remember how long it takes to get results though. I wonder if she will get mid-turkic; I got Northeast Asian, none of the other S/SC Asians got that, I expect Balq, her brother, my Aunt, and my Sister will get that in lieu of mid-turkic.

EDIT: Guess what? Chitrali #2 from Bot_nat's posts messaged me as her and her daughter are our top matches on gedmatch. They are from DROSH! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosh) The same tiny town my great-grandmother is from. It used to be apart of Badakhshan and there is a Pashtun population there, that could explain things. What are the odds?

Agamemnon
04-09-2016, 12:40 AM
Does your Ashkenazi score break down? I got Ashkenazi/Levantine 19% then it breaks down to 18% Mediterranean Islander and 1.2% ambiguous.

Nope, my Ashkenazi score doesn't break down... Same thing for all the components in fact.

Hanna
04-09-2016, 12:44 AM
Nope, my Ashkenazi score doesn't break down... Same thing for all the components in fact.

Interesting. So what is written for the definition of Ashkenazi in you page?

crossover
04-09-2016, 12:48 AM
Opposite case here...My Balkan is only half of what I got with 23andMe.

my grandpa got like 29% balkan on dna.land, while getting like 5%-ish italy/greece on ancestrydna

Agamemnon
04-09-2016, 12:48 AM
Interesting. So what is written for the definition of Ashkenazi in you page?

Here's what I get:

Ashkenazi

Includes: Ashkenazi Jew in Poland and Ashkenazi Jew from East Europe especially Lithuania (expat in Baltimore MD)
Does not include: Albanian in Albania; Belarusian in Belarus; Bulgarian in Bulgaria; Estonian in Estonia; Greek in Greece; Lithuanian in Lithuania; Ukrainian in (East) Ukraine and Finnish in Finland

The Ashkenazi are displayed specially because they do not have a territory of their own, but live amidst unrelated peoples.

VelvetNono
04-09-2016, 12:49 AM
Here are my results:
Background: 3/4 Afghan Pashtun and 1/4 Afghan Tajik. (With some Dardic (Pashai) admixture as well).

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12933076_1285682161460136_4918224558861417383_n.jp g?oh=a423381ba9ccac862de5dc0553d9b165&oe=577891E0





Is any other SC Asian or Iranian getting Balkan?

While it didn't show up in my first account, however, it did show up in my second account. Here are my second account's results:

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12933041_1285684934793192_8184174033768476123_n.jp g?oh=7e81b8e06e647fa11a773a45921a8851&oe=5785B314

So I assume that my "Ambiguous" result in my first account contains some of my "Balkan" amount.

Mellifluous
04-09-2016, 12:54 AM
Cool, VelvetNono. My results look the same in all my accounts. I'm guessing their algorithm can't pick it up any differently.

SwampThing27
04-09-2016, 12:54 AM
I got:

North/Central Europe: 86%
Sardinian: 4.2%
Southwest Europe: 3.6%
Ambiguous: 3.7%

Gujarati: 2.6%

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 12:55 AM
I'm very curious as to why the Afghans are scoring such high Indus Valley! Pathan = Both Pakistani and Afghan Pashtun in 1000genomes? McNinja's mother, grandmother, and I scored much less in the ~30 percent range.

kingjohn
04-09-2016, 12:56 AM
velvenoto ,you show the north slavic cool
in line with your gedmatch results and also eurogenes k36.
this test is good i dont care .
best regards
and congratulation on results
adam

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 12:56 AM
I got:

North/Central Europe: 86%
Sardinian: 4.2%
Southwest Europe: 3.6%
Ambiguous: 3.7%

Gujarati: 2.6%

Damn, even this picked up some South Asian for you. Maybe your South Asian is very real?

Mellifluous
04-09-2016, 01:02 AM
I'm very curious as to why the Afghans are scoring such high Indus Valley! Pathan = Both Pakistani and Afghan Pashtun in 1000genomes? McNinja's mother, grandmother, and I scored much less in the ~30 percent range.

We are getting 40-60% Indus Valley (Pathan, Burosho and Sindhi). Geographically, we are wedged between them, other West Asians, and Turkic Central Asians, so I guess it makes sense. On the other hand, you guys score less because some of it goes into the category they've labelled as 'South Asia'.

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 01:08 AM
We are getting 40-50% Indus Valley (Pathan, Burosho and Sindhi). Geographically, we are wedged between them, other West Asians, and Turkic Central Asians, so I guess it makes sense. On the other hand, you guys score less because some of it goes into the category they've labelled as 'South Asia'.

I forgot all about the Burosho! I thought it was Sindhi, Pathan, and Punjabi. That makes sense.
You got none of the South Asian right? Rukha got like 4% and Velvetnono, 8%, while I got 29% Exactly like you said.

Mellifluous
04-09-2016, 01:10 AM
Well, it looks like they need to recalibrate my results again since the raw data I was using was from an earlier build.

http://s22.postimg.org/lmfeveg0h/DNA_Land_Ancestry_Composition.png

LOL! :biggrin1:

AJL
04-09-2016, 01:17 AM
Nope, my Ashkenazi score doesn't break down... Same thing for all the components in fact.

Mine was broken down into both "Ashkenazi Jew in Poland (etc.)." and "Ashkenazi/Levantine: a general category containing Ashkenazi and Mediterranean Islander." I also get 3% Ambiguous South European ("a general category containing Italian and Balkan").

My N/C Euro breaks down into "Scottish Argyll Bute GBR and British in England; Icelandic in Iceland; Norwegian in Norway and Orcadian in Orkney Islands."

Oddly enough it doesn't seem to pick up any of my French ancestry but gives me instead a tiny bit of Italian-Bergamo.


That "ambiguous" thing is "Ambiguous West Eurasian". Got more Finnish than I expected, but that explains my love of cold weather and big fir trees. ;)

You're lucky, I have a good chunk of "Ambiguous Ambiguous," not mapped anywhere. It's probably a kind of ancient circumpolar thing, and might be the reason I sometimes get northeast Asian/Siberian, Central Asian, North American, or Finnish, with no two analyses agreeing on what "it" is.

Sapporo
04-09-2016, 01:23 AM
I forgot all about the Burosho! I thought it was Sindhi, Pathan, and Punjabi. That makes sense.
You got none of the South Asian right? Rukha got like 4% and Velvetnono, 8%, while I got 29% Exactly like you said.


That makes sense. Your "West Eurasian" ancestry has more South Asian like "West Eurasian" ancestry to it and mine even more so. On Gedmatch calculators, the difference is generally less noticeable. South Asian is capturing a lot of your and mine CHG because Gujaratis and even "Dravidian" sample populations like Bengalis and Tamils they referenced have significant CHG like ancestry too. In that sense, calculators like puntDNAL K10 are more informative.

My results:

I tried 3-4 accounts I created previously and same result for all of them. My ambiguous West Eurasian is probably Euro. Not sure about the other ambiguous.


8656

Dr_McNinja
04-09-2016, 01:27 AM
Indo-Iranian is Balochi and that's a distinct ancestry signal from Burusho/Pathan/Kalash. I will usually get plenty of Burusho/Pathan affinity but much less Balochi for whatever reason (could be CHG in Baloch is different from CHG in North Pakistan and throughout India).

Pashtun share recent ancestry with Pathans, it will usually be their biggest component whenever it's present, followed by Baloch or Caucasian. I'm surprised more Afghans haven't gotten 'Central-Indoeuropean' which is basically Caucasus. Could mean their CHG is from the same source that contributed to the Pakistan area.

And going by the various IBS/IBD comparisons, I think a lot of Punjabis overlap with Pathans in ancestry in some way. Could just be diffusion over time.

Other Punjabis/Haryanvis are getting almost 50% in Indus Valley too and even I got 41% (HRP0370 Afghan Pashtun also got 41%). It's like FTDNA myOrigins' Central Asian component based on Pashtun. That one even took most of my dad's admixture too.

lemon
04-09-2016, 01:29 AM
http://i.imgur.com/KL9FkkC.jpg

Dr_McNinja
04-09-2016, 01:30 AM
That makes sense. Your "West Eurasian" ancestry has more South Asian like "West Eurasian" ancestry to it and mine even more so. On Gedmatch calculators, the difference is generally less noticeable. South Asian is capturing a lot of your and mine CHG because Gujaratis and even "Dravidian" sample populations like Bengalis and Tamils they referenced have significant CHG like ancestry too. In that sense, calculators like puntDNAL K10 are more informative.

My results:

I tried 3-4 accounts I created previously and same result for all of them. My ambiguous West Eurasian is probably Euro. Not sure about the other ambiguous.


8656

Yeah Gujarati's definitely sucking up a bit extra admixture since HRP0393/HRP0402 both had around ~30% South Asian total.

That other ambiguous is really weird! I wonder what that is...

Mellifluous
04-09-2016, 01:33 AM
Indo-Iranian is Balochi and that's a distinct ancestry signal from Burusho/Pathan/Kalash. I will usually get plenty of Burusho/Pathan affinity but much less Balochi for whatever reason (could be CHG in Baloch is different from CHG in North Pakistan and throughout India).

Pashtun share recent ancestry with Pathans, it will usually be their biggest component whenever it's present, followed by Baloch or Caucasian. I'm surprised more Afghans haven't gotten 'Central-Indoeuropean' which is basically Caucasus. Could mean their CHG is from the same source that contributed to the Pakistan area.

And going by the various IBS/IBD comparisons, I think a lot of Punjabis overlap with Pathans in ancestry in some way. Could just be diffusion over time.

Other Punjabis/Haryanvis are getting almost 50% in Indus Valley too and even I got 41% (HRP0370 Afghan Pashtun also got 41%). It's like FTDNA myOrigins' Central Asian component based on Pashtun. That one even took most of my dad's admixture too.

VelvetNono and Rukha got Central Indo-European, while I think mine most likely bled into my high Balkan score. I think other Afghans might get Central Indo European too if we get more results.

Central Indo European is not just Caucuses here. It also includes Iranian samples.

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
04-09-2016, 01:36 AM
African 97%*
East African 68%*
West African 26%*
Lower Niger Valley 24%*
Ambiguous 1.6%*
Pygmy 3.3%*
Aka 2.1%*
Ambiguous 1.2%*
West Eurasian 3.1%*
Kalash 1.9%*
Ambiguous 1.2%

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 01:38 AM
VelvetNono and Rukha got Central Indo-European, while I think mine most likely bled into my high Balkan score. I think other Afghans might get Central Indo European too if we get more results.

I also got Central IndoEuropean ~9.1% and some Balkan 3.3.
Ancestryfan got 20% Central IE; I was expecting much higher, since the base population for that includes Irani. He got 28% for Arab/Egypt. That didn't make much sense to me. I was expecting the Afghans to score it in the 20s and the Iranis to score it in the 40s, or something like that.

Mellifluous
04-09-2016, 01:41 AM
I also got Central IndoEuropean ~9.1% and some Balkan 3.3.
Ancestryfan got 20% Central IE; I was expecting much higher, since the base population for that includes Irani. He got 28% for Arab/Egypt. That didn't make much sense to me. I was expecting the Afghans to score it in the 20s and the Iranis to score it in the 40s, or something like that.

Central IE, Balkan, Southern European, Med etc. might all be acting as stand-ins for some of our Caucasian component.

SwampThing27
04-09-2016, 01:43 AM
Damn, even this picked up some South Asian for you. Maybe your South Asian is very real?

I guess it's possible! Also a good chunk of Sardinian.

Hanna
04-09-2016, 01:45 AM
I think central IndoEuropean is more Caucasus based. I got 79% central IndoEuropean the highest in the thread so far. I would like to see other West Asian results like Xoor's scores. He would probably score 90% central IndoEuropean?

shazou
04-09-2016, 01:53 AM
Mine:
http://i.imgur.com/npwpwVu.jpg

Dad:
http://i.imgur.com/0dd4UyM.jpg

Mom:
http://i.imgur.com/aPguagG.jpg

firemonkey
04-09-2016, 01:54 AM
Here are mine. 23andMe,FTDNA and Ancestry 1st uploads. Wondering where the Mediterranean islander is coming from. Don't score high for Cypriot,Sicilian or Maltese on DNA tribes or Gedmatch calculators.


8658

8659

8660

What is the grey ambiguous? I know the green is West Eurasian.

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 01:55 AM
Mine:


Dad:


Mom:


Can you post the definitions of the components, since you are the first person to get some of these? Thanks!

Dr_McNinja
04-09-2016, 01:55 AM
My Family Tree DNA version (previous was my 23andMe V3):

http://i.imgur.com/lQtZQBO.png

Similar but Indus Valley went even higher and Euro went down... similar phenomenon to what happened in myOrigins sometimes too, there was a relationship between European and Pashtun/Central Asian.

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 02:08 AM
Cool! Now I might upload everyone else I have; maybe I'll re-upload myself and see if my results change under this new setup, like how others had happen.

EDIT: To save you guys the trouble, I've uploaded my data again to see if I get the same results. I've also uploaded the rest of my relatives.

https://i.gyazo.com/a282ad0848ef917b899d76c6ab650983.png

Above is 23andme VS my FTDNA below:

https://i.gyazo.com/ae1891e1e9e6cabea8fc18e0eaf1e777.png

shazou
04-09-2016, 02:21 AM
Can you post the definitions of the components, since you are the first person to get some of these? Thanks!
Let me know if there are any others I'm missing...

Southeast Asian

Includes: Dai and Lahu in China; Chinese Dai in (China) Xishuangbanna and Kinh in (Vietnam) Ho Chi Minh City
Does not include: Cambodian in Cambodia; Miao, Naxi, Yi and Southern Han in China; Bengali in Bangladesh and Indian Telugu from Southern India (expat in the UK)

Taiwanese

Includes: Ami and Atayal in Taiwan
Does not include: She and Southern Han in China; Korean in Korea and Japanese in (Japan) Tokyo

Cambodian/Thai

Includes: Cambodian in Cambodia
Does not include: Dai and Southern Han in China; Chinese Dai in (China) Xishuangbanna; Kinh in (Vietnam) Ho Chi Minh City; Sri Lankan Tamil from Sri Lanka (expat in the UK) and Indian Telugu from Southern India (expat in the UK)

Japanese/Korean

Includes: Japanese in Japan; Korean in Korea and Japanese in (Japan) Tokyo
Does not include: Itelmen, Koryak and Ulchi in Russia; Daur, Han, Hezhen and She in (NChina and 3 other sites) China; Ami and Atayal in Taiwan; Bougainville and Papuan in Papua New Guinea and Han in (China) Bejing

Central Chinese

Includes: Han, Miao, Naxi, She, Tujia, Yi and Southern Han in (NChina and 7 other sites) China and Han in (China) Bejing
Does not include: Mongol, Daur, Lahu and Tu in China; Cambodian in Cambodia; Korean in Korea; Ami and Atayal in Taiwan; Chinese Dai in (China) Xishuangbanna; Kinh in (Vietnam) Ho Chi Minh City and Bengali in Bangladesh

Ambiguous Southeast Asian

Southeast Asian is a general category containing Cambodian/Thai, Southeast Asian and Taiwanese

Ambiguous East Asian

East Asian is a very general category containing Southeast Asian, East Asian, Northeast Asian and East-Turkic

rod
04-09-2016, 02:36 AM
Here's mine with AncestryDNA's estimate included.
8661

bored
04-09-2016, 02:52 AM
Mine

http://i.imgur.com/fTabofO.png

AJL
04-09-2016, 02:53 AM
What is the grey ambiguous? I know the green is West Eurasian.

I got that too, it means "we don't even know what continent."

bored
04-09-2016, 02:58 AM
Indo-Iranian is Balochi and that's a distinct ancestry signal from Burusho/Pathan/Kalash. I will usually get plenty of Burusho/Pathan affinity but much less Balochi for whatever reason (could be CHG in Baloch is different from CHG in North Pakistan and throughout India).

Pashtun share recent ancestry with Pathans, it will usually be their biggest component whenever it's present, followed by Baloch or Caucasian. I'm surprised more Afghans haven't gotten 'Central-Indoeuropean' which is basically Caucasus. Could mean their CHG is from the same source that contributed to the Pakistan area.

And going by the various IBS/IBD comparisons, I think a lot of Punjabis overlap with Pathans in ancestry in some way. Could just be diffusion over time.

Other Punjabis/Haryanvis are getting almost 50% in Indus Valley too and even I got 41% (HRP0370 Afghan Pashtun also got 41%). It's like FTDNA myOrigins' Central Asian component based on Pashtun. That one even took most of my dad's admixture too.

I got 44 % Indus Valley. No Indo-Iranian.

jesus
04-09-2016, 03:13 AM
I also got Central IndoEuropean ~9.1% and some Balkan 3.3.
Ancestryfan got 20% Central IE; I was expecting much higher, since the base population for that includes Irani. He got 28% for Arab/Egypt. That didn't make much sense to me. I was expecting the Afghans to score it in the 20s and the Iranis to score it in the 40s, or something like that.

Central IndoEuropean has the Iranian sample in it. I get 11% only :biggrin1: I get higher Mediterranean Islander(21%) for example. Extremely inaccurate update.

surbakhunWeesste
04-09-2016, 03:15 AM
I think central IndoEuropean is more Caucasus based. I got 79% central IndoEuropean the highest in the thread so far. I would like to see other West Asian results like Xoor's scores. He would probably score 90% central IndoEuropean?

Iranians should be scoring quite a chunk of CIE as well like Khana said.

surbakhunWeesste
04-09-2016, 03:22 AM
Central IndoEuropean has the Iranian sample in it. I get 11% only :biggrin1: I get higher Mediterranean Islander(21%) for example. Extremely inaccurate update.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPRuL9ACZeM

bored
04-09-2016, 03:25 AM
Central IndoEuropean has the Iranian sample in it. I get 11% only :biggrin1: I get higher Mediterranean Islander(21%) for example. Extremely inaccurate update.

And why do I score high Gujarati? I don't have Gujarati ancestry. My parents are not Gujaratis as far as I know.

vettor
04-09-2016, 03:26 AM
mine below

European 58% Italian 39%
Balkan 19%

North/central European 27%

Sardinian 8.4%

Ambiguous 3.5%

North Slavic 3%

XooR
04-09-2016, 03:33 AM
Me
8662

My wife
8663

jesus
04-09-2016, 03:33 AM
And why do I score high Gujarati? I don't have Gujarati ancestry. My parents are not Gujaratis as far as I know.

Yeah and their Gujurati samples includes all castes. Lumping all castes in one component would produce inaccurate results, since they vary a lot. I don't even know why did they inlcude Druze into the Indo central European component, but Syrians in the Arab/Egyptian component. Syrians have more than double the amount of Baloch on Harappa for example.

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 03:35 AM
And why do I score high Gujarati? I don't have Gujarati ancestry. My parents are not Gujaratis as far as I know.

I scored both Dravidian and Gujurati, as did most McNinja and co.; Rukha and Velvetnono, scored some as well, though minute. Even swampthing got ~2.5% Gujurati. That Houston dweller is in all of us LOL.

Kurd
04-09-2016, 03:51 AM
A nice rainbow of colors more than anything.... This one is from an earlier upload. This one shows less C Asian than my later upload which I had deleted. I re-uploaded, but it looks like it takes maybe a day or two to process.

Looking over the W/SC/S Asian results posted, I am surprised to see that almost everyone has been assigned 100% W Eurasian. Also surprising to see that most S Asians did not show E Asian. Will post Kurd C2 or Kurd C3 when the results become available.

http://i.imgur.com/gRYo1ID.jpg

Anabasis
04-09-2016, 04:40 AM
İnterestingly we have some difference between xoor and me

8664

MonkeyDLuffy
04-09-2016, 04:41 AM
Mine:

http://i.imgur.com/swYytP7.png

bol_nat
04-09-2016, 04:51 AM
punjabi gujjar HRP0353

http://i.imgur.com/GPVm1WZ.jpg

PureEvil
04-09-2016, 04:51 AM
My results(Interesting):
http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/PureEvil91/DNA.Land_zpszdpxn0kr.png (http://s1154.photobucket.com/user/PureEvil91/media/DNA.Land_zpszdpxn0kr.png.html)
http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/PureEvil91/DNA.Land.map_zpsofn3rkrk.png (http://s1154.photobucket.com/user/PureEvil91/media/DNA.Land.map_zpsofn3rkrk.png.html)

Passa
04-09-2016, 04:52 AM
Here are my results (which make much more sense now)
8665

Shaikorth
04-09-2016, 04:56 AM
I think central IndoEuropean is more Caucasus based. I got 79% central IndoEuropean the highest in the thread so far. I would like to see other West Asian results like Xoor's scores. He would probably score 90% central IndoEuropean?

Central Indoeuropean is definitely Caucasus-based and the most likely peak is in Georgians (why they call it "Indoeuropean" is a mystery).

Shaikorth
04-09-2016, 05:08 AM
Yeah and their Gujurati samples includes all castes. Lumping all castes in one component would produce inaccurate results, since they vary a lot. I don't even know why did they inlcude Druze into the Indo central European component, but Syrians in the Arab/Egyptian component. Syrians have more than double the amount of Baloch on Harappa for example.

Even if they label a component with several samples, due to the nature of these programs it can only peak in one or two of them. Since the 1000genomes Gujaratis are so different from each other, only some of them will get close to 100%. I'm sure Druze won't get nearly the same amount of Central IE as, say, Trabzon Turks.

estevard
04-09-2016, 05:14 AM
8666

The Balkan is a mystery but everything else is consistent with other estimates.

Vllhrms
04-09-2016, 05:24 AM
My results: http://i.imgur.com/h6ak3qf.png

One of the weirdest results I've ever received, but interesting anyway, they were able to correctly separate amerindian dna, which is the first time I've seen it (and probably correct, since my amerindian is likely brazilian). Overall, I like it.

Dr_McNinja
04-09-2016, 05:31 AM
punjabi gujjar HRP0353

http://i.imgur.com/GPVm1WZ.jpg

Wow, definitely has a higher Baloch affinity than the rest of us so far.

Also, Dravidian includes Bengalis so that's probably why we're not getting East Asian. It's tied up in there. WeGene did the same thing.

Shaikorth
04-09-2016, 05:34 AM
Wow, definitely has a higher Baloch affinity than the rest of us so far.

Also, Dravidian includes Bengalis so that's probably why we're not getting East Asian. It's tied up in there. WeGene did the same thing.

Actual Bengalis should get it though, if there are Tamils and Telugus in that Dravidian it will peak in them and the Bengali extra should go to SE Asian.

bored
04-09-2016, 06:01 AM
Mine:

http://i.imgur.com/swYytP7.png

Interesting. You also don't get any Indo-Iranian. We both have low Baloch on other calculators so it makes sense.

Sea Warrior
04-09-2016, 06:24 AM
My results:
8667
My wife's results:
8668

yeux
04-09-2016, 07:23 AM
My results:
8669

kenji.aryan
04-09-2016, 07:46 AM
Mine and Don't quote.


8670


Mid-Turkic

Includes: Tajik in (Pomiri) Tajikistan; Turkmen and Uzbek in Uzbekistan; Uygur in China and Hazara in Pakistan
Does not include: Altaian, Kalmyk, Tubalar, Lezgin and Mordovian in Russia; Xibo in China; Brahui, Burusho, Kalash and Pathan in Pakistan and Iranian in Iran


Ambiguous West Eurasian

West Eurasian is a very general category containing Arab/Egyptian, Ashkenazi/Levantine, Central Asian, Northeast European, South Asian, South European, North/central European, Southwestern European and Central Indoeuropean

thrax
04-09-2016, 07:48 AM
http://i66.tinypic.com/alndhi.jpg

Coldmountains
04-09-2016, 07:58 AM
Mid-Turkic

Includes: Tajik in (Pomiri) Tajikistan; Turkmen and Uzbek in Uzbekistan; Uygur in China and Hazara in Pakistan
Does not include: Altaian, Kalmyk, Tubalar, Lezgin and Mordovian in Russia; Xibo in China; Brahui, Burusho, Kalash and Pathan in Pakistan and Iranian in Iran


Ambiguous West Eurasian

West Eurasian is a very general category containing Arab/Egyptian, Ashkenazi/Levantine, Central Asian, Northeast European, South Asian, South European, North/central European, Southwestern European and Central Indoeuropean

Lol. Pamiri are closer to NW Indians (Jatts,..) or Persians than to Hazara

nee4speed111
04-09-2016, 08:00 AM
http://i.imgur.com/0HGYonG.jpg?1

ffoucart
04-09-2016, 08:06 AM
me
North/central European 58%
Southwestern European 39%
Italian 2%
Ambiguous 1.3%

my father
North/central European 67%
Mediterranean Islander 9.9%
Italian 7.4%
Southwestern European 7.2%
North Slavic 4.8%
Ambiguous 3.5%

It rises questions, as my father is French (North of France: Nord and Pas de Calais) with some ancestry in Belgium (near the border, around Ieper and Tournai, and in the Vlaams Brabant (Scherpenheuvel Zichem).

Hanna
04-09-2016, 08:32 AM
Me
8662

My wife
8663

We have almost identical results. I thought you would score higher Central IndoEuropean.

Hanna
04-09-2016, 08:35 AM
Iranians should be scoring quite a chunk of CIE as well like Khana said.

I would expect Iranians to score 40-50% Central IndoEuropean. I would like to see what DMXX and NK19191 scores.

Hanna
04-09-2016, 08:44 AM
Looking over the W/SC/S Asian results posted, I am surprised to see that almost everyone has been assigned 100% W Eurasian. Also surprising to see that most S Asians did not show E Asian. My East Asian is also reduced by 3% but I think it went into Central IndoEuropean since Turks and other Caucasus population who score various degrees of East Asian are used as reference populations for CIE.

kerbal
04-09-2016, 08:45 AM
mine are:
8672

Shaikorth
04-09-2016, 09:01 AM
Lol. Pamiri are closer to NW Indians (Jatts,..) or Persians than to Hazara

Those populations prolly have very different levels of "Mid-Turkic" even though all are included.

erwangery
04-09-2016, 09:02 AM
My mother's results (NW Brittany):

North/central European 88%
South European 8.3%: Balkan 7.3%; Ambiguous 1%
Ambiguous 3.5%

Mine (3/4 NW Brittany; 1/4 unknown):

North/central European 85% ( Scottish Argyll_Bute_GBR and British in England; Icelandic in Iceland; Norwegian in Norway and Orcadian in Orkney Islands)

Southwestern European 7% (Basque/French and French in (South and 1 other site) France and Basque/Spanish and Iberian Population in Spain)

Mediterranean Islander 4.9% (Cypriot in Cyprus; Italian/EastSicilian and Italian/WestSicilian in Italy and Maltese in Malta)

Ambiguous 3%

Lugus
04-09-2016, 09:11 AM
My results:

8674

I find autosomal results a bit like fortune-telling and after playing with lots of different tools, including Gedmatch oracles (apt name) I think I’ve been associated with virtually every population on the planet, including Polynesians and Koreans (WeGene).

On the other hand, I do see some kind of pattern appearing, which shows up also here:

• A mediterranean component – probably prehistoric (EEF).
• An eastern mediterranean component – possibly less old, that could be associated with Phoenician and other eastern mediterranean colonization.
• A north and sub-saharan African component – Prehistoric migrations, Carthaginians, Moors.
• A north European component – Pre Celtic and Celtic migrations, perhaps also some Migration Period contribution.

Dimanto
04-09-2016, 11:34 AM
They definitely improved their settings, but I think the South Western Euro is off in my case.

evon
04-09-2016, 11:37 AM
8649

The 98% North/Central European is similar to my 95% Northwestern European on 23andMe, but that Kalash is something new.....

EDIT: I used two emails to make 2 accounts along time ago and I just checked the other one. It has me at 92% North/Central European, 4.5% Ambiguous (West Eurasian), and 2% Kalash.

I have seen a Norwegian Romani cousin of mine get Kalash also, but most like my grandmother get ambiguous.


I got that too, it means "we don't even know what continent."

It is better than nothing, but hopefully they will fine tune it some more in the coming months..


Me and my grandmother, 23andme (v3 still), FTDNA and dna.land:
http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp207/vulcanphoto/duo.png

evon
04-09-2016, 11:39 AM
They definitely improved their settings, but I think the South Western Euro is off in my case.

It is likely ancient ancestry, my guess is you will see SW Euro ancestry all along the Atlantic fringe from the North sea to Portugal..

Dimanto
04-09-2016, 11:42 AM
http://i68.tinypic.com/2q9ctqq.png

http://i63.tinypic.com/nwdgg5.png

Mom:

http://i68.tinypic.com/21kvxtz.png

Dimanto
04-09-2016, 11:50 AM
It is likely ancient ancestry, my guess is you will see SW Euro ancestry all along the Atlantic fringe from the North sea to Portugal..

I wonder what a full Southern Italian/Sicilian would get. My guess is something like 50 % Italian, 40 % Med Islander and the rest Southwestern Euro and some minor NOrth/Central Euro, looking at my own results.

Dimanto
04-09-2016, 12:01 PM
It is likely ancient ancestry, my guess is you will see SW Euro ancestry all along the Atlantic fringe from the North sea to Portugal..

My mom got nothing so.. They're not as good as 23andme in splitting southern Euro from Northwestern Euro ancestry, but then again 23andme needs the splitview for that to work properly; something that DNAland lacks

kujira692
04-09-2016, 12:10 PM
Hi there, here are my father's new results:
8677

tchekitchek
04-09-2016, 12:21 PM
West Eurasian 100%
North/central European 51%
Italian 25%
Southwestern European 18%
Northeast European 3.8% Ambiguous 3.8%
Ambiguous 2.2%

Weird results, I've got a lot of Italian there.

psaglav
04-09-2016, 12:26 PM
My father:

8678

And my maternal grandmother:

8679

How do you guys embed the images instead of attaching them as thumbnails? I can't seem to manage it.

P.S. Gujarati in my dad. That'd be cool! (wasn't Mahatma Gandhi one?)

Little bit
04-09-2016, 12:29 PM
Here is mine and my mother-in-law.

Me: American Colonial 87.5% UK/Irish and 12.5% PA Dutch

8680

Mother-in-law: 100% Kashubian Polish

8681

icebreaker
04-09-2016, 12:37 PM
Mother

Kaido
04-09-2016, 12:55 PM
Me
https://i.gyazo.com/3586040e8a221a9b3bf301cf48f6c475.png

Mother
https://i.gyazo.com/95cc78817c526fbf54d1ca76e87a188e.png

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 01:05 PM
Sister
https://i.gyazo.com/ba2c7c4eabba01f5ed15a2e2483d91ac.png

Grandmother | Balq
https://i.gyazo.com/675a1a5ce41ddf3ca86ea0bfdc3cf0d8.png

Grandmother's Brother
https://i.gyazo.com/9f8556cdb96b557dae407d94660dc52f.png



Uncle (P) | .Jam
https://i.gyazo.com/319bd27883cc3d704e093e031f9b7a8c.png

Aunt (M) | Balq's Daughter
https://i.gyazo.com/b5b33ab4b2f83508bcd7b4996bd74fd3.png

Grandfather (M) Sister
https://i.gyazo.com/671e8af95606e8462e9b8c59a7413a53.png
She beat Punjabi Gujjar in Indo-Iranian



Leghari | 2nd Cousin
https://i.gyazo.com/af759e5566100d41dd50b313e57fca1a.png
So did he. I think he won "Indo-Iranian".

Mohmand Pashtunhttps://i.gyazo.com/052a957c1256b890d09c8925d75f396c.png
I think he wins "Indus Valley".

Multani | Syed/Durrani

https://i.gyazo.com/1a38dc3930d86f0bf72f9d83836df4ad.png



Lahori | Rajput/Kashmirihttps://i.gyazo.com/05c80c5b72fb08f8cd46a5ffed754c30.png

Tolan
04-09-2016, 01:31 PM
My mother's results (NW Brittany):

North/central European 88%
South European 8.3%: Balkan 7.3%; Ambiguous 1%
Ambiguous 3.5%

Mine (3/4 NW Brittany; 1/4 unknown):

North/central European 85% ( Scottish Argyll_Bute_GBR and British in England; Icelandic in Iceland; Norwegian in Norway and Orcadian in Orkney Islands)

Southwestern European 7% (Basque/French and French in (South and 1 other site) France and Basque/Spanish and Iberian Population in Spain)

Mediterranean Islander 4.9% (Cypriot in Cyprus; Italian/EastSicilian and Italian/WestSicilian in Italy and Maltese in Malta)

Ambiguous 3%

I am also 100% Breton, but 100% East Brittany.

Probably very few britons from the GB island have come in my area.
We can clearly see the difference:
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/DNAland.png

SwampThing27
04-09-2016, 02:47 PM
I scored both Dravidian and Gujurati, as did most McNinja and co.; Rukha and Velvetnono, scored some as well, though minute. Even swampthing got ~2.5% Gujurati. That Houston dweller is in all of us LOL.
My buddy is gonna have to stop calling me gora when he gets pissed at me from now on.

Also, I've noticed they seem to dish out a lot more Sardinian than 23andme, not just to myself, but also in general from others sharing results on 23andme.

Helgenes50
04-09-2016, 03:03 PM
West Eurasian 100%
North/central European 51%
Italian 25%
Southwestern European 18%
Northeast European 3.8% Ambiguous 3.8%
Ambiguous 2.2%

Weird results, I've got a lot of Italian there.

For two Celtogerman, we've got a lot of italian
Our results for the two first populations are close.

8684

kingjohn
04-09-2016, 03:19 PM
dear helgenes ,
remember that the italian samples used as refrence are not from south italy
or sicily but from toscany in central and bergamo in the north this could be roman genes in you ...

Includes: Italian/Bergamo, Italian/Tuscan and Toscani in (Bergamo, Tuscany and 1 other site) Italy

best regards
adam

AJL
04-09-2016, 03:23 PM
Central IndoEuropean has the Iranian sample in it. I get 11% only :biggrin1: I get higher Mediterranean Islander(21%) for example. Extremely inaccurate update.

There seems to me to be slight balance issues with all the populations between Balkans and CIE, and maybe beyond. The question is what criterion are they using to describe areas, pure geography, Fst of markers, something else?

NK19191
04-09-2016, 03:36 PM
Here is mine:


West Eurasian 100%

1) Central Indoeuropean 53%

2)Central Asian 25%
a) Indo-Iranian 14%
b) Indus Valley 8.8%
c)Ambiguous 1.3%

2) Arab/Egyptian 11%

3) Ashkenazi/Levantine 6.7%
a)Ashkenazi 5.5%
b)Ambiguous 1.2%

4) Ambiguous 4.4%

8686

Deftextra
04-09-2016, 04:02 PM
My results:

8641

Details
Arab/Egyptian
Includes: Egyptian in (2 sites) Egypt; Palestinian, BedouinA and BedouinB in (Central, Negev and 1 other site) Israel; Jordanian in Jordan; Saudi in Saudi Arabia; Syrian in Syrian and Yemen and Yemenite Jew in Yemen
Does not include: Bantu, Kikuyu and Luhya in (Webuye and 2 other sites) Kenya; Armenian in Armenia; Cypriot in Cyprus; Greek in Greece; Iranian in Iran; Turkish in (Adana, Aydin, Kayseri and Trabzon) Turkey; Luhya in (Kenya) Webuye and Esan in Nigeria

Dravidian
Includes: Bengali in Bangladesh; Sri Lankan Tamil from Sri Lanka (expat in the UK) and Indian Telugu from Southern India (expat in the UK)
Does not include: Bantu in Kenya; Ju hoan_North in Namibia; Cambodian in Cambodia; Dai, Lahu, Naxi, Tu and Xibo in China; Australian in Australia; Burusho in Pakistan and Gujarati Indian from Gujarat (expat in Houston TX)

Indo-Iranian
Includes: Balochi, Brahui and Makrani in Pakistan
Does not include: Turkmen and Uzbek in Uzbekistan; Hazara, Pathan and Sindhi in Pakistan; Iranian in Iran and Gujarati Indian from Gujarat (expat in Houston TX)

Southwestern European
Includes: Basque/French and French in (South and 1 other site) France and Basque/Spanish and Iberian Population in Spain
Does not include: Algerian and Mozabite in Algeria; Saharawi in (Morocco) Western Sahara; Scottish Argyll_Bute_GBR and British in England; Icelandic in Iceland and Italian/Bergamo and Sardinian in (Bergamo and Sardinia) Italy

South European
Includes: Albanian in Albania; Bulgarian in Bulgaria; Greek in (2 sites) Greece and Italian/Bergamo, Italian/Tuscan and Toscani in (Bergamo, Tuscany and 1 other site) Italy
Does not include: Egyptian in (2 sites) Egypt; Belarusian in Belarus; Basque/French in France; Italian/EastSicilian, Italian/WestSicilian and Sardinian in (Sardinia and 2 other sites) Italy; Lithuanian in Lithuania; Ashkenazi Jew in Poland; Turkish in (Aydin, Balikesir and Istanbul) Turkey; Ukrainian in (East) Ukraine and Ashkenazi Jew from East Europe especially Lithuania (expat in Baltimore MD)

East African
Includes: Bantu, Kikuyu, Luhya, Luo and Masai in (Webuye, Kinyawa and 4 other sites) Kenya; Datog in Tanzania and Luhya in (Kenya) Webuye
Does not include: Mbuti (Pygmy) in Congo; Egyptian in Egypt; Ju hoan_North in Namibia; Hadza in Tanzania; Saudi in Saudi Arabia; Yemen and Yemenite Jew in Yemen; Esan in Nigeria and Sri Lankan Tamil from Sri Lanka (expat in the UK)

North African
Includes: Algerian and Mozabite in Algeria; Tunisian in Tunisia and Saharawi in (Morocco) Western Sahara
Does not include: Yoruba and Esan in Nigeria; Mandenka in Senegal; Basque/French in France; Icelandic in Iceland; Italian/WestSicilian and Sardinian in (Sardinia and 1 other site) Italy; Maltese in Malta; Iberian Population in Spain and Gambian in Western Gambia

Southeast Asian
Includes: Dai and Lahu in China; Chinese Dai in (China) Xishuangbanna and Kinh in (Vietnam) Ho Chi Minh City
Does not include: Cambodian in Cambodia; Miao, Naxi, Yi and Southern Han in China; Bengali in Bangladesh and Indian Telugu from Southern India (expat in the UK)

Almost all of you have some ambiguous percentage. I'm surprised I have none. And also anyone know maybe why I get those small southern European perentage? I guess its likely coming from my Arabian\west-Asian ancestry. I recently got a very close match with someone on Ancestry-DNA (closer than all my horn African matches and first match after people from the same community as me) who clearly is Iberian\Italian maybe. Perhaps there is more going on? or just coincidence? I'm not sure what to make of this.

Dr_McNinja
04-09-2016, 04:03 PM
My friend, Uttar Pradesh Muslim (UP Muslim in my spreadsheets):

http://i.imgur.com/RCA3dHY.png

Surprised at the high Balkan, it seems it definitely is related to Caucasian admixture. Maybe Caucasus/Med which he usually gets some of.

Helgenes50
04-09-2016, 04:06 PM
dear helgenes ,
remember that the italian samples used as refrence are not from south italy
or sicily but from toscany in central and bergamo in the north this could be roman genes in you ...

Includes: Italian/Bergamo, Italian/Tuscan and Toscani in (Bergamo, Tuscany and 1 other site) Italy

best regards
adam
Dear Kingjohn,

A few Italian genes via one or two lost Legionaries, I am not against...but 23 % !!!!
This Italian is certainly linked to our part of EEF and probably related to ancestors similar to Stuttgart or ötzi and not to the old Jules.

XooR
04-09-2016, 04:06 PM
We have almost identical results. I thought you would score higher Central IndoEuropean.

Which side of your family has U3b mtdna, my paternal mtdna is U3 as well.

Táltos
04-09-2016, 04:09 PM
There seems to me to be slight balance issues with all the populations between Balkans and CIE, and maybe beyond. The question is what criterion are they using to describe areas, pure geography, Fst of markers, something else?

Yeah I would like to understand what is going on, though this is an improvement from what they did the first time. Both of my results are showing way too much Balkan. I think my Wegene's report is more realistic. :)

I was able to get into my other account that is my 23andme result.
West Eurasian 100%
Balkan 51%
Northeast European 31%
North Slavic 26%
Finnish 4.3%
North/central European 19%

So my FTDNA data shows me to have 47% Balkan, 23andme is 51%! These numbers at FTDNA and 23andme usually correlate with Eastern European being 46% and 41.9%. I have no Balkan at FTDNA, there I have 11% Asia Minor. At 23andme I have 6.2% Balkan in speculative view.

I guess for some people this update works okay. My mom's wasn't too bad, it seemed to fit her FTDNA results.
DNA Land:
South European 51%
Italian 41%
Balkan 9.3%
North/central European 26%
Ambiguous 15%
Central Indoeuropean 8.7%

Mom FTDNA:
Southern Europe 50%
Scandinavia 13%
Western/Central Europe 4%
Finland/Siberia 4%

Asia Minor 23%

Her 23andme result, I'm leaving out the trace ancestries.
Southern European 48.6
Balkan 17.9%
Italian 12.5%
Broadly Southern European 18.2%

Northwestern European
British & Irish 19.8%
French & German 3.3%

Broadly Northwestern European 21.9%
Broadly European 5.2%

Hanna
04-09-2016, 04:10 PM
Here is mine:


West Eurasian 100%

1) Central Indoeuropean 53%

2)Central Asian 25%
a) Indo-Iranian 14%
b) Indus Valley 8.8%
c)Ambiguous 1.3%

2) Arab/Egyptian 11%

3) Ashkenazi/Levantine 6.7%
a)Ashkenazi 5.5%
b)Ambiguous 1.2%

4) Ambiguous 4.4%

8686
Your CIE is what I expected. What do you think of your results?

Hanna
04-09-2016, 04:18 PM
Which side of your family has U3b mtdna, my paternal mtdna is U3 as well.

My maternal grandfather (From Ispir) is mtDNA U3b. My grandmother is H, 23andme identified me as H with no subclade. Who did you test from your paternal side? Did you do the autosomal test?

Cascio
04-09-2016, 04:23 PM
I prefer this update to the new Wegene calculator.

DNA.Land now gives me:

South European 67pc (Italian 35pc; Balkan 31pc)

Southwestern Europe 16pc (includes 1.1pc Ambiguous)

North/central Europe 13pc

Ambiguous 4.6pc

100pc West Eurasian

Sikeliot
04-09-2016, 04:23 PM
Here is mine. It is obvious which ones come from my maternal versus paternal side.

http://i65.tinypic.com/sgrb0y.jpg


Here is my mother's. The nearly half North Slavic corresponds with her being half Polish. She also scores some African. The fact it is listed as "Ambiguous" means that it must be difficult to distinguish whether it's West or Central African, or if there is Khoisan affinity (which comes up for us sometimes). Interesting nonetheless.


http://i65.tinypic.com/n5szkz.jpg

jortita
04-09-2016, 04:35 PM
West Eurasian 85%:

1. South Asian 64%: Dravidian 59%, Gujarati 5.1%
2. Central Asian 12%:Indus Valley 9.4%, Indo-Iranian 2.2%
3. Northeast European 5.3%: Finnish 4.1%, North Slavic 1.2%
4. Ashkenazi 2.7%
5. Southwestern European 1.1%

East Asian 15%
1. Southeast Asian 6.3%
2. Central Chinese 4.6%
3. East-Turkic 4.5%

Not sure how accurate the above is even though it is interesting as Eurogenes J Test gives me 0.03 result for Ashkenazi

XooR
04-09-2016, 04:41 PM
My maternal grandfather (From Ispir) is mtDNA U3b. My grandmother is H, 23andme identified me as H with no subclade. Who did you test from your paternal side? Did you do the autosomal test?

I did with ftdna, in a week or two I will receive my fathers autosomal results as well. I will also have my moms autosomal results in about a month.

jortita
04-09-2016, 04:51 PM
My DNALand graphic

8695

AJL
04-09-2016, 04:54 PM
he above is even though it is interesting as Eurogenes J Test gives me 0.03 result for Ashkenazi

Well, you do come from near the area of the Bnai Menashe, so it could be real.

Lank
04-09-2016, 04:58 PM
My results:

http://i64.tinypic.com/19tqfq.png

Dimanto
04-09-2016, 05:06 PM
Here is mine. It is obvious which ones come from my maternal versus paternal side.

http://i65.tinypic.com/sgrb0y.jpg


Here is my mother's. The nearly half North Slavic corresponds with her being half Polish. She also scores some African. The fact it is listed as "Ambiguous" means that it must be difficult to distinguish whether it's West or Central African, or if there is Khoisan affinity (which comes up for us sometimes). Interesting nonetheless.


http://i65.tinypic.com/n5szkz.jpg

Your ''Med Islander'' score is half that of mine; in your case it's exchanged with ''Sardinian''.

Sikeliot
04-09-2016, 05:40 PM
Your ''Med Islander'' score is half that of mine; in your case it's exchanged with ''Sardinian''.

Well also keep in mind my father is 1/4 Sardinian and Sicilian side is mixed with small amounts of other things (Greek, Albanian, etc.).

kingjohn
04-09-2016, 05:45 PM
do any one have idea what Ambiguous 2.5%
under southwestern european mean if it not sardinian ?
regards
adam

Asimakidis
04-09-2016, 06:09 PM
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8696&stc=1
So this one above is from 23andme (uploaded yesterday)
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8697&stc=1
And this one is build37 FTDNA, also uploaded yesterday.. what do you make of it?? since they differ...

Sikeliot
04-09-2016, 06:14 PM
do any one have idea what Ambiguous 2.5%
under southwestern european mean if it not sardinian ?
regards
adam

Means it cannot be distinguished well if it is Sardinian or Iberian.

Asimakidis
04-09-2016, 06:15 PM
Father's results (ftdna)
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8698&stc=1

crossover
04-09-2016, 06:16 PM
Yeah I would like to understand what is going on, though this is an improvement from what they did the first time. Both of my results are showing way too much Balkan. I think my Wegene's report is more realistic. :)

I was able to get into my other account that is my 23andme result.
West Eurasian 100%
Balkan 51%
Northeast European 31%
North Slavic 26%
Finnish 4.3%
North/central European 19%

So my FTDNA data shows me to have 47% Balkan, 23andme is 51%! These numbers at FTDNA and 23andme usually correlate with Eastern European being 46% and 41.9%. I have no Balkan at FTDNA, there I have 11% Asia Minor. At 23andme I have 6.2% Balkan in speculative view.

I guess for some people this update works okay. My mom's wasn't too bad, it seemed to fit her FTDNA results.
DNA Land:
South European 51%
Italian 41%
Balkan 9.3%
North/central European 26%
Ambiguous 15%
Central Indoeuropean 8.7%

Mom FTDNA:
Southern Europe 50%
Scandinavia 13%
Western/Central Europe 4%
Finland/Siberia 4%

Asia Minor 23%

Her 23andme result, I'm leaving out the trace ancestries.
Southern European 48.6
Balkan 17.9%
Italian 12.5%
Broadly Southern European 18.2%

Northwestern European
British & Irish 19.8%
French & German 3.3%

Broadly Northwestern European 21.9%
Broadly European 5.2%

for some odd reason they overestimate balkan %'s, like they did with my mom and grandpa(mom's dad), who are both mexican.

surbakhunWeesste
04-09-2016, 06:19 PM
colorful

http://i.imgur.com/66V6nOX.jpg

AJL
04-09-2016, 06:27 PM
what do you make of it?? since they differ...

It's going to become very important for companies offering ancestry analysis to use phasing, if they have parents' kits available.

Sikeliot
04-09-2016, 06:27 PM
Father's results (ftdna)
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8698&stc=1

He is part Pontic, right? That is the Central Indo-European, probably Caucasian.

Asimakidis
04-09-2016, 06:28 PM
He is part Pontic, right? That is the Central Indo-European, probably Caucasian.

Yes, he is half Pontic.

Sikeliot
04-09-2016, 06:34 PM
My question is, are we now not considering Sicilians and Ashkenazi Jews "European" genetically? Both DNA Tribes and now DNA.Land do not.

AJL
04-09-2016, 06:43 PM
My question is, are we now not considering Sicilians and Ashkenazi Jews "European" genetically? Both DNA Tribes and now DNA.Land do not.

It's a thorny question because this grouping is a rather distinct category to mainland Europe but cannot satisfactorily be placed completely in the Near East nor completely in Europe. Many of the labels used in autosomal analysis take on political ramifications whether people want them to or not, but obviously if people in Armenia and Egypt and as far as the Caspian Sea are steadily getting 5-10% of this component, it's not wholly European.

Just to the north, the Balkans component seems to have precisely the same problem.

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 06:49 PM
Cool! Now I might upload everyone else I have; maybe I'll re-upload myself and see if my results change under this new setup, like how others had happen.

EDIT: To save you guys the trouble, I've uploaded my data again to see if I get the same results. I've also uploaded the rest of my relatives.

https://i.gyazo.com/a282ad0848ef917b899d76c6ab650983.png

I re-uploaded my results as promised and they changed. Now I don't know if its because my original data was from an earlier build or if the changing results phenomenon is still occuring.

https://i.gyazo.com/a2327c120f78525a0df39ddab275595a.png

Sikeliot
04-09-2016, 07:01 PM
It's a thorny question because this grouping is a rather distinct category to mainland Europe but cannot satisfactorily be placed completely in the Near East nor completely in Europe. Many of the labels used in autosomal analysis take on political ramifications whether people want them to or not, but obviously if people in Armenia and Egypt and as far as the Caspian Sea are steadily getting 5-10% of this component, it's not wholly European.

Just to the north, the Balkans component seems to have precisely the same problem.

It is the same with "Italian" on 23andme. A lot of people in the Caucasus, and even some Levantines score it.

I think we should regard Sicilians, Ashkenazis, Maltese as genetically intermediate and not let culture and politics dictate it.

kingjohn
04-09-2016, 07:06 PM
maybe aschenazi is similar genetically to sicilians ?
but aschenazi gone through bottlneck in mediveal time to 350 founders extreme one \
thanks to the black death or the crusades .
so maybe thats why all genetic componies know how to notice aschenazi ancestery .
best regards
adam

Táltos
04-09-2016, 07:06 PM
I re-uploaded my results as promised and they changed. Now I don't know if its because my original data was from an earlier build or if the changing results phenomenon is still occuring.

https://i.gyazo.com/a2327c120f78525a0df39ddab275595a.png

Hmm, the Balkan is gone.

surbakhunWeesste
04-09-2016, 07:19 PM
I re-uploaded my results as promised and they changed. Now I don't know if its because my original data was from an earlier build or if the changing results phenomenon is still occuring.

https://i.gyazo.com/a2327c120f78525a0df39ddab275595a.png

I should do that as well.

AJL
04-09-2016, 07:20 PM
It is the same with "Italian" on 23andme. A lot of people in the Caucasus, and even some Levantines score it.

I think we should regard Sicilians, Ashkenazis, Maltese as genetically intermediate and not let culture and politics dictate it.

Cypriots should also be high in it. Something like "East-Central Mediterranean Coastal" might be the most neutral term.

NK19191
04-09-2016, 07:20 PM
Your CIE is what I expected. What do you think of your results?

I think it is consistent with others and much better than 23andme.

Sikeliot
04-09-2016, 07:21 PM
Cypriots should also be high in it. Something like "East-Central Mediterranean Coastal" might be the most neutral term.

Yes. I just think whatever it is, we should not consider them to be European nor Near Eastern genetically but something intermediate.

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 07:24 PM
Hmm, the Balkan is gone.

Yeah, and now replaced with other kinds of European; but more in line with my sister and other relatives. The Mohmand Pashtun guy I posted had ~14% Balkan!

vettor
04-09-2016, 07:26 PM
mine below

European 58% Italian 39%
Balkan 19%

North/central European 27%

Sardinian 8.4%

Ambiguous 3.5%

North Slavic 3%

mine stayed the same after 24 hours

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/dnanewland_zps5d0ag03b.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/dnanewland_zps5d0ag03b.jpg.html)

but my wife;s Balkan increased , decreasing Italian
her Finnish, is odd.......maybe it has some of her 1% Mongolian that other admixtures find for her

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/mpdnaland_zpsyt2xrmcj.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/mpdnaland_zpsyt2xrmcj.jpg.html)

Asimakidis
04-09-2016, 07:27 PM
It is the same with "Italian" on 23andme. A lot of people in the Caucasus, and even some Levantines score it.

I think we should regard Sicilians, Ashkenazis, Maltese as genetically intermediate and not let culture and politics dictate it.

I know that it has been mentioned before , but could it not be a remnant from past times? Turcic dna seems to be consistent in Anatolian people, why couldn't a small percentage have survived in the Hellenized population of Pontus? They were after all pretty endogamous. And it would actually fit with the fact that the italian component was not mixed with any south slavic element from the middle ages. Is this a theory that makes sense or not? Again, I agree totally with the fact that it should be regarded without any connection to politics or cultural, it is merely a curiosity of the mind that pops up. What do my Anatolian dna-brothers and sisters say? :)

bol_nat
04-09-2016, 07:30 PM
Sister
https://i.gyazo.com/ba2c7c4eabba01f5ed15a2e2483d91ac.png

Grandmother | Balq
https://i.gyazo.com/675a1a5ce41ddf3ca86ea0bfdc3cf0d8.png

Grandmother's Brother
https://i.gyazo.com/9f8556cdb96b557dae407d94660dc52f.png



Uncle (P) | .Jam
https://i.gyazo.com/319bd27883cc3d704e093e031f9b7a8c.png

Aunt (M) | Balq's Daughter
https://i.gyazo.com/b5b33ab4b2f83508bcd7b4996bd74fd3.png

Grandfather (M) Sister
https://i.gyazo.com/671e8af95606e8462e9b8c59a7413a53.png
She beat Punjabi Gujjar in Indo-Iranian



Leghari | 2nd Cousin
https://i.gyazo.com/af759e5566100d41dd50b313e57fca1a.png
So did he. I think he won "Indo-Iranian".

Mohmand Pashtunhttps://i.gyazo.com/052a957c1256b890d09c8925d75f396c.png
I think he wins "Indus Valley".

Multani | Syed/Durrani

https://i.gyazo.com/1a38dc3930d86f0bf72f9d83836df4ad.png



Lahori | Rajput/Kashmirihttps://i.gyazo.com/05c80c5b72fb08f8cd46a5ffed754c30.png



















Multani is new sample right? He showed up in punjabi gujjar/gujrat gedmatch, one of his top south asian matches.

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 07:40 PM
Multani is new sample right? He showed up in punjabi gujjar/gujrat gedmatch, one of his top south asian matches.

Yes, him and Lahori are new. Multani is Syed on his Father's side and Durrani on Mother's. He is from a fairly old, deeply-rooted family in Multan.

BTW Chitrali #2 is from Drosh! Same place as my great-grandmother. They contacted me.

bol_nat
04-09-2016, 08:16 PM
Yes, him and Lahori are new. Multani is Syed on his Father's side and Durrani on Mother's. He is from a fairly old, deeply-rooted family in Multan.

BTW Chitrali #2 is from Drosh! Same place as my great-grandmother. They contacted me.

Did you ask him if 3rd sample from Chitral/Bumburet was Kalash?

SwampThing27
04-09-2016, 08:37 PM
I got:

North/Central Europe: 86%
Sardinian: 4.2%
Southwest Europe: 3.6%
Ambiguous: 3.7%

Gujarati: 2.6%

Fiancé:
North/Central: 90%
Ashkenazi: 3%
Med Islander: 1.1%
Finnish: 2.3%
South Europe: 2%
Southwest Europe: 1.6%

She doesn't get Ashkenazi on any other calculator.

Mellifluous
04-09-2016, 08:39 PM
Yeah, and now replaced with other kinds of European; but more in line with my sister and other relatives. The Mohmand Pashtun guy I posted had ~14% Balkan!

Cool! I find it interesting that the Mohmand pashtun got Balkan as well, although the rest of our results are different.

Mellifluous
04-09-2016, 08:48 PM
colorful

http://i.imgur.com/66V6nOX.jpg

I think you've scored the highest Central IE so far amongst Afghans! Cool. Makes sense since you have elevated CHG.

Táltos
04-09-2016, 08:49 PM
New blog from DNA Land https://medium.com/@dl1dl1/the-new-ancestry-report-f2844384259b#.icha7phn0

From Yaniv Erlich on ISOGG Facebook.

Yaniv Erlich Dear all - great discussion. Check out our new blog post on the improved ancestry report with explanations on the reference panel, naming of populations, and using the report.
We highly appreciate your feedback! If you have comments or questions please email to info@dna.land. This way we can immediately see your email address, raw information, and results. Richard, our helpdesk person, will start answering emails on Monday morning. https://medium.com/.../the-new-ancestry-report...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/isogg/permalink/10154157242242922/

Mellifluous
04-09-2016, 08:53 PM
It's a thorny question because this grouping is a rather distinct category to mainland Europe but cannot satisfactorily be placed completely in the Near East nor completely in Europe. Many of the labels used in autosomal analysis take on political ramifications whether people want them to or not, but obviously if people in Armenia and Egypt and as far as the Caspian Sea are steadily getting 5-10% of this component, it's not wholly European.

Just to the north, the Balkans component seems to have precisely the same problem.

Sorry. I just found this argument sort of illogical.

South asians get NE European. Does that mean NE European components like Finnish and North Slavic shouldn't be considered European? Continents have been arbitrarily drawn anyway. By the end of the day, how you'd like to regard a component is up to you, but continents have never stopped humans from intermingling.

Táltos
04-09-2016, 08:58 PM
Sorry. I just found this argument sort of illogical.

South asians get NE European. Does that mean NE European components like Finnish and North Slavic shouldn't be considered European? Continents have been arbitrarily drawn anyway. By the end of the day, how you'd like to regard a component is up to you, but continents have never stopped humans from intermingling.

Actually I don't think he is saying anything much different than what you are here.

Mellifluous
04-09-2016, 09:00 PM
Actually I don't think he is saying anything much different than what you are here.

Ah, okay. I've just woken up, so I suppose my processing abilities are sub-par at the moment. :P

BalkanKiwi
04-09-2016, 09:02 PM
Mine and my sisters. My Balkan is pretty much spot on.

Mine

http://i.imgur.com/d0p8rri.png

Sisters

http://i.imgur.com/sJ7BsHh.png

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 09:05 PM
Did you ask him if 3rd sample from Chitral/Bumburet was Kalash?

Can you give me the gedmatch kit#? I will message and ask them. It was actually Mr. S (yeah that guy!) who contacted me. Chitrali #2 is his first wife, and the other sample that is related to us, is their daughter.

AJL
04-09-2016, 09:07 PM
Sorry. I just found this argument sort of illogical.

South asians get NE European. Does that mean NE European components like Finnish and North Slavic shouldn't be considered European?

Ask yourself rather if it is logical to think that South Asians have Finnish ancestry, or whether this doesn't mean something else.

bol_nat
04-09-2016, 09:14 PM
Can you give me the gedmatch kit#? I will message and ask them. It was actually Mr. S (yeah that guy!) who contacted me. Chitrali #2 is his first wife, and the other sample that is related to us, is their daughter.

pm sent

MitchellSince1893
04-09-2016, 09:15 PM
Mine (Top), Father (Bottom)

Shaikorth
04-09-2016, 09:19 PM
Hmm, the Balkan is gone.

Looks like all of Balkan and ambiguous West Eurasian broke down into South European and Northwest/Northeast European.

crossover
04-09-2016, 09:23 PM
New blog from DNA Land https://medium.com/@dl1dl1/the-new-ancestry-report-f2844384259b#.icha7phn0

From Yaniv Erlich on ISOGG Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/isogg/permalink/10154157242242922/

i'm gonna see about contacting them since this is kinda making me question my grandpa's ancestry dna results

Dimanto
04-09-2016, 09:24 PM
Yes. I just think whatever it is, we should not consider them to be European nor Near Eastern genetically but something intermediate.

No, just on the far end of it's southern spectrum. The component is found in all of the Italian south, in almost equal proportions btw -not only in Maltese & Sicilians.

bored
04-09-2016, 09:30 PM
Lahori | Rajput/Kashmirihttps://i.gyazo.com/05c80c5b72fb08f8cd46a5ffed754c30.png



Can you post his Harappa results for comparison?

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 09:35 PM
Can you post his Harappa results for comparison?

With pleasure.

Lahori | Rajput/Kashmiri



Population



S-Indian
33.55


Baloch
36.11


Caucasian
10.90


NE-Euro
10.55


SE-Asian
-


Siberian
2.20


NE-Asian
2.41


Papuan
0.18


American
0.52


Beringian
0.22


Mediterranean
1.10


SW-Asian
2.02


San
-


E-African
0.23


Pygmy
-


W-African
-



Oracle



Single Population Sharing:



#
Population (source)
Distance


1
punjabi (harappa)
4.03


2
up-muslim (harappa)
4.09


3
kashmiri-pandit (reich)
4.4


4
punjabi-brahmin (harappa)
4.82


5
singapore-indian-c (sgvp)
5.08


6
kashmiri (harappa)
5.27


7
punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa)
5.6


8
kashmiri-pahari (harappa)
5.88


9
nepalese-a (xing)
5.94


10
punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa)
6.14


11
gujarati-muslim (harappa)
6.61


12
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
6.75


13
punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa)
7.07


14
up-brahmin (harappa)
7.89


15
sindhi (harappa)
8.49


16
punjabi-arain (xing)
8.84


17
haryana-jatt (harappa)
10.03


18
brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu)
10.13


19
bengali-brahmin (harappa)
10.24


20
bihari-muslim (harappa)
10.86



Mixed Mode Population Sharing:



#

Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance


1

64.7%
iyengar-brahmin (harappa)
+
35.3%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
1.84


2

68%
meghawal (reich)
+
32%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
1.88


3

64.9%
iyer-brahmin (harappa)
+
35.1%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.08


4

69.5%
gujarati-b (hapmap)
+
30.5%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.15


5

66.5%
brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu)
+
33.5%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.23


6

51.7%
bihari-muslim (harappa)
+
48.3%
pathan (hgdp)
@
2.28


7

66.9%
gujarati (harappa)
+
33.1%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.3


8

67.6%
kashmiri (harappa)
+
32.4%
brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu)
@
2.33


9

65.9%
tn-brahmin (xing)
+
34.1%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.34


10

81.4%
up-brahmin (harappa)
+
18.6%
turkmen (yunusbayev)
@
2.35


11

75.7%
nepalese-a (xing)
+
24.3%
bene-israel-jew (behar)
@
2.39


12

55.6%
up-kshatriya (metspalu)
+
44.4%
pashtun (harappa)
@
2.42


13

61.6%
kashmiri (harappa)
+
38.4%
up-brahmin (harappa)
@
2.42


14

71.6%
kashmiri (harappa)
+
28.4%
vaish (reich)
@
2.47


15

67.6%
maharashtrian (harappa)
+
32.4%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.49


16

68.2%
kashmiri (harappa)
+
31.8%
bengali-brahmin (harappa)
@
2.53


17

63.4%
ap-brahmin (xing)
+
36.6%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.55


18

57.1%
vaish (reich)
+
42.9%
pashtun (harappa)
@
2.57


19

68.7%
up-kshatriya (metspalu)
+
31.3%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.59


20

53.2%
bengali-brahmin (harappa)
+
46.8%
pathan (hgdp)
@
2.61






4-Oracle



Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 punjabi @ 4.318586
2 up-muslim @ 4.345256
3 pushtikar-brahmin @ 4.745977
4 kashmiri-pandit @ 4.767620
5 punjabi-brahmin @ 5.192125
6 singapore-indian-c @ 5.528988
7 kashmiri @ 5.759641
8 rajasthani-brahmin @ 5.851104
9 punjabi-jatt-muslim @ 5.854557
10 nepali @ 5.873316
11 kashmiri-pahari @ 6.430741
12 nepalese-a @ 6.588254
13 punjabi-ramgarhia @ 6.737407
14 gujarati-muslim @ 7.158540
15 punjabi-khatri @ 7.335445
16 punjabi-jatt-sikh @ 7.708049
17 up-brahmin @ 8.671376
18 bihari-brahmin @ 9.101906
19 sindhi @ 9.346022
20 punjabi-arain @ 9.694581

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% bihari-muslim +50% pathan @ 2.433536


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% iyengar-brahmin +25% punjabi-khatri +25% tajik @ 1.565597


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 iyengar-brahmin + sindhi + srivastava + tajik @ 1.281085
2 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + naidu + pathan + tajik @ 1.354555
3 bhatia + naidu + tajik + up-brahmin @ 1.403303
4 bhatia + brahmin-uttar-pradesh + naidu + tajik @ 1.409900
5 iyer-brahmin + sindhi + srivastava + tajik @ 1.434418
6 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + sindhi + tajik + velama @ 1.481767
7 naidu + punjabi-brahmin + rajasthani-brahmin + tajik @ 1.486348
8 naidu + punjabi-ramgarhia + rajasthani-brahmin + tajik @ 1.491602
9 iyengar-brahmin + kanjar + pathan + tajik @ 1.502081
10 pathan + tajik + up-brahmin + vysya @ 1.506724
11 bhatia + piramalai-kallar + tajik + up-brahmin @ 1.510167
12 kashmiri-pahari + naidu + rajasthani-brahmin + tajik @ 1.514302
13 naidu + rajasthani-brahmin + singapore-indian-c + tajik @ 1.518678
14 naidu + pathan + tajik + up-brahmin @ 1.519050
15 ap-brahmin + sindhi + srivastava + tajik @ 1.524945
16 naidu + sindhi + tajik + up-brahmin @ 1.531212
17 naidu + punjabi-brahmin + punjabi-brahmin + tajik @ 1.533108
18 gujarati + sindhi + srivastava + tajik @ 1.537998
19 brahmin-tamil-nadu + sindhi + srivastava + tajik @ 1.543708
20 bhatia + brahmin-uttar-pradesh + kurumba + tajik @ 1.562670

Done.

Elapsed time 7.2004 seconds.




Figured I'd post the Multani as well:



Population



S-Indian
30.22


Baloch
36.94


Caucasian
13.04


NE-Euro
11.37


SE-Asian
-


Siberian
0.15


NE-Asian
1.94


Papuan
0.12


American
0.51


Beringian
2.02


Mediterranean
-


SW-Asian
3.27


San
0.23


E-African
-


Pygmy
0.17


W-African
-



Oracle


Single Population Sharing:



#
Population (source)
Distance


1
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
3.52


2
kashmiri (harappa)
4.17


3
punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa)
4.44


4
kashmiri-pandit (reich)
5.02


5
punjabi (harappa)
5.05


6
punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa)
5.65


7
sindhi (harappa)
5.67


8
punjabi-brahmin (harappa)
5.97


9
singapore-indian-c (sgvp)
6.56


10
up-muslim (harappa)
6.97


11
gujarati-muslim (harappa)
7


12
kashmiri-pahari (harappa)
7.41


13
punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa)
8.3


14
pathan (hgdp)
8.44


15
haryana-jatt (harappa)
8.8


16
punjabi-arain (xing)
8.85


17
nepalese-a (xing)
8.96


18
bhatia (harappa)
9.94


19
burusho (hgdp)
10.01


20
sindhi (hgdp)
10.61



Mixed Mode Population Sharing:



#

Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance


1

91%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
9%
nepalese-c (xing)
@
2.49


2

96%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
4%
nepalese-b (xing)
@
2.68


3

90.9%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
9.1%
bengali (harappa)
@
2.73


4

74.8%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
25.2%
up-muslim (harappa)
@
2.79


5

86.5%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
13.5%
bengali-brahmin (harappa)
@
2.8


6

95.1%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
4.9%
great-andamanese (reich)
@
2.81


7

80.2%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
19.8%
nepalese-a (xing)
@
2.83


8

87.6%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
12.4%
bihari-muslim (harappa)
@
2.86


9

95.9%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
4.1%
onge (reich)
@
2.88


10

92.1%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
7.9%
sri-lankan (harappa)
@
2.89


11

96.8%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
3.2%
paniya (chaubey)
@
2.89


12

96%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
4%
nihali (metspalu)
@
2.92


13

94.6%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
5.4%
chenchu (metspalu)
@
2.92


14

95.4%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
4.6%
ap-madiga (xing)
@
2.92


15

95.5%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
4.5%
hakkipikki (metspalu)
@
2.92


16

95.4%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
4.6%
gond (metspalu)
@
2.92


17

96.9%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
3.1%
garo (chaubey)
@
2.93


18

95.7%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
4.3%
sahariya (reich)
@
2.93


19

94.9%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
5.1%
satnami (reich)
@
2.93


20

92%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
8%
caribbean-indian (harappa)
@
2.93





4-Oracle


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 punjabi-khatri @ 3.751675
2 kashmiri @ 4.412785
3 punjabi-jatt-muslim @ 4.648123
4 kashmiri-pandit @ 5.427153
5 punjabi @ 5.508748
6 pushtikar-brahmin @ 5.661816
7 punjabi-jatt-sikh @ 6.132775
8 sindhi @ 6.171604
9 punjabi-brahmin @ 6.529666
10 rajasthani-brahmin @ 6.754813
11 singapore-indian-c @ 7.195989
12 up-muslim @ 7.587230
13 gujarati-muslim @ 7.597478
14 kashmiri-pahari @ 8.127356
15 nepali @ 8.334551
16 punjabi-ramgarhia @ 9.101073
17 pathan @ 9.260007
18 haryana-jatt @ 9.595505
19 punjabi-arain @ 9.684348
20 nepalese-a @ 9.867036

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% pashtun +50% up-brahmin @ 3.130665


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% kerala-brahmin +25% nepalese-a +25% urkarah @ 2.546676


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 kerala-brahmin + pashtun + punjabi-khatri + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.480627
2 kerala-brahmin + kerala-brahmin + nepalese-a + urkarah @ 2.546676
3 pashtun + punjabi-khatri + punjabi-khatri + vaish @ 2.583451
4 kerala + pashtun + pathan + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.607134
5 pashtun + punjabi-khatri + sindhi + vaish @ 2.626581
6 pashtun + punjabi + punjabi-khatri + up-brahmin @ 2.640524
7 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + pashtun + punjabi-khatri + punjabi-khatri @ 2.646813
8 bihari-brahmin + kerala-brahmin + kerala-brahmin + urkarah @ 2.663394
9 pashtun + punjabi + punjabi + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.689375
10 bihari-muslim + pashtun + rajasthani-brahmin + sindhi @ 2.691935
11 gujarati-muslim + pashtun + punjabi-brahmin + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.693796
12 iyengar-brahmin + pashtun + pashtun + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.694191
13 pashtun + rajasthani-brahmin + sindhi + up-brahmin @ 2.699627
14 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + pashtun + punjabi-khatri + sindhi @ 2.708527
15 gujarati-muslim + pashtun + rajasthani-brahmin + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.714433
16 maharashtrian + pashtun + pathan + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.719115
17 brahmin-tamil-nadu + pashtun + pathan + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.735163
18 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + pashtun + rajasthani-brahmin + sindhi @ 2.739417
19 gujarati-muslim + punjabi-khatri + punjabi-khatri + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.745880
20 kerala-brahmin + kerala-brahmin + singapore-indian-c + urkarah @ 2.746392

Done.

Elapsed time 9.4364 seconds.

Táltos
04-09-2016, 09:38 PM
i'm gonna see about contacting them since this is kinda making me question my grandpa's ancestry dna results

I'm going to write to them as well. The Balkan I get is overboard. The samples they have for Eastern Europe have some but not all of the populations that the commercial companies use. They do mention this in their blog.

In the near future, we hope to get your feedback to our ancestry report. While Facebook is great to compare results with other people, we would like to encourage you to send us emails to info@dna.land, because then we have your username and can take a deeper look at your results. We are aware that the reference panel is not complete. We need more reference populations such as Cree, Ojibwa, Algonquins in North America, the Afar and Oromo in East Africa, and the Czech in Europe.
Maybe if they have Czech or Slovak, and Polish added it would help for me. 23andme also has those added to their Eastern Europe category, FTDNA has Slovak and Polish included in Eastern European.

bored
04-09-2016, 09:38 PM
With pleasure.



Population



S-Indian
33.55


Baloch
36.11


Caucasian
10.90


NE-Euro
10.55


SE-Asian
-


Siberian
2.20


NE-Asian
2.41


Papuan
0.18


American
0.52


Beringian
0.22


Mediterranean
1.10


SW-Asian
2.02


San
-


E-African
0.23


Pygmy
-


W-African
-



Oracle



Single Population Sharing:



#
Population (source)
Distance


1
punjabi (harappa)
4.03


2
up-muslim (harappa)
4.09


3
kashmiri-pandit (reich)
4.4


4
punjabi-brahmin (harappa)
4.82


5
singapore-indian-c (sgvp)
5.08


6
kashmiri (harappa)
5.27


7
punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa)
5.6


8
kashmiri-pahari (harappa)
5.88


9
nepalese-a (xing)
5.94


10
punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa)
6.14


11
gujarati-muslim (harappa)
6.61


12
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
6.75


13
punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa)
7.07


14
up-brahmin (harappa)
7.89


15
sindhi (harappa)
8.49


16
punjabi-arain (xing)
8.84


17
haryana-jatt (harappa)
10.03


18
brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu)
10.13


19
bengali-brahmin (harappa)
10.24


20
bihari-muslim (harappa)
10.86



Mixed Mode Population Sharing:



#

Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance


1

64.7%
iyengar-brahmin (harappa)
+
35.3%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
1.84


2

68%
meghawal (reich)
+
32%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
1.88


3

64.9%
iyer-brahmin (harappa)
+
35.1%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.08


4

69.5%
gujarati-b (hapmap)
+
30.5%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.15


5

66.5%
brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu)
+
33.5%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.23


6

51.7%
bihari-muslim (harappa)
+
48.3%
pathan (hgdp)
@
2.28


7

66.9%
gujarati (harappa)
+
33.1%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.3


8

67.6%
kashmiri (harappa)
+
32.4%
brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu)
@
2.33


9

65.9%
tn-brahmin (xing)
+
34.1%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.34


10

81.4%
up-brahmin (harappa)
+
18.6%
turkmen (yunusbayev)
@
2.35


11

75.7%
nepalese-a (xing)
+
24.3%
bene-israel-jew (behar)
@
2.39


12

55.6%
up-kshatriya (metspalu)
+
44.4%
pashtun (harappa)
@
2.42


13

61.6%
kashmiri (harappa)
+
38.4%
up-brahmin (harappa)
@
2.42


14

71.6%
kashmiri (harappa)
+
28.4%
vaish (reich)
@
2.47


15

67.6%
maharashtrian (harappa)
+
32.4%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.49


16

68.2%
kashmiri (harappa)
+
31.8%
bengali-brahmin (harappa)
@
2.53


17

63.4%
ap-brahmin (xing)
+
36.6%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.55


18

57.1%
vaish (reich)
+
42.9%
pashtun (harappa)
@
2.57


19

68.7%
up-kshatriya (metspalu)
+
31.3%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.59


20

53.2%
bengali-brahmin (harappa)
+
46.8%
pathan (hgdp)
@
2.61






4-Oracle



Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 punjabi @ 4.318586
2 up-muslim @ 4.345256
3 pushtikar-brahmin @ 4.745977
4 kashmiri-pandit @ 4.767620
5 punjabi-brahmin @ 5.192125
6 singapore-indian-c @ 5.528988
7 kashmiri @ 5.759641
8 rajasthani-brahmin @ 5.851104
9 punjabi-jatt-muslim @ 5.854557
10 nepali @ 5.873316
11 kashmiri-pahari @ 6.430741
12 nepalese-a @ 6.588254
13 punjabi-ramgarhia @ 6.737407
14 gujarati-muslim @ 7.158540
15 punjabi-khatri @ 7.335445
16 punjabi-jatt-sikh @ 7.708049
17 up-brahmin @ 8.671376
18 bihari-brahmin @ 9.101906
19 sindhi @ 9.346022
20 punjabi-arain @ 9.694581

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% bihari-muslim +50% pathan @ 2.433536


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% iyengar-brahmin +25% punjabi-khatri +25% tajik @ 1.565597


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 iyengar-brahmin + sindhi + srivastava + tajik @ 1.281085
2 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + naidu + pathan + tajik @ 1.354555
3 bhatia + naidu + tajik + up-brahmin @ 1.403303
4 bhatia + brahmin-uttar-pradesh + naidu + tajik @ 1.409900
5 iyer-brahmin + sindhi + srivastava + tajik @ 1.434418
6 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + sindhi + tajik + velama @ 1.481767
7 naidu + punjabi-brahmin + rajasthani-brahmin + tajik @ 1.486348
8 naidu + punjabi-ramgarhia + rajasthani-brahmin + tajik @ 1.491602
9 iyengar-brahmin + kanjar + pathan + tajik @ 1.502081
10 pathan + tajik + up-brahmin + vysya @ 1.506724
11 bhatia + piramalai-kallar + tajik + up-brahmin @ 1.510167
12 kashmiri-pahari + naidu + rajasthani-brahmin + tajik @ 1.514302
13 naidu + rajasthani-brahmin + singapore-indian-c + tajik @ 1.518678
14 naidu + pathan + tajik + up-brahmin @ 1.519050
15 ap-brahmin + sindhi + srivastava + tajik @ 1.524945
16 naidu + sindhi + tajik + up-brahmin @ 1.531212
17 naidu + punjabi-brahmin + punjabi-brahmin + tajik @ 1.533108
18 gujarati + sindhi + srivastava + tajik @ 1.537998
19 brahmin-tamil-nadu + sindhi + srivastava + tajik @ 1.543708
20 bhatia + brahmin-uttar-pradesh + kurumba + tajik @ 1.562670

Done.

Elapsed time 7.2004 seconds.



Very interesting. Why do you call him Kashmiri? Where's his ancestry from, if you don't mind?

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 09:47 PM
Very interesting. Why do you call him Kashmiri? Where's his ancestry from, if you don't mind?

His mother is "Kashmiri", evidently. Entirely likely, that they are Potohari, Punjabi, or something else. I am not sure of the family name, I'll have to ask. His father is Rajput, again don't know the family name. Both sides of the family are settled in Lahore. He could be representative of middle-class Lahori I suppose? I'm labeling people as they self-identify, but the city they have resided in is probably more informative, which is why I named them Lahori/Multani, respectively.

Edit: I just remembered, his mother's family name is Butt/Bhatt.

bored
04-09-2016, 09:53 PM
His mother is "Kashmiri", evidently. Entirely likely, that they are Potohari, Punjabi, or something else. I am not sure of the family name, I'll have to ask. His father is Rajput, again don't know the family name. Both sides of the family are settled in Lahore. He could be representative of middle-class Lahori I suppose? I'm labeling people as they self-identify, but the city they have resided in is probably more informative, which is why I named them Lahori/Multani, respectively.

I take interest in him because I'm expecting Rajputs from my area to have similar results. Note the elevated East Eurasian and low Baloch. The Caucasus and NE Euro are in line too.

So, I would appreciate it if you could find out more about his ancestry like where his father and mother are originally from. Also, his Rajput clan and other relevant info if it's possible.

Mellifluous
04-09-2016, 09:55 PM
Ask yourself rather if it is logical to think that South Asians have Finnish ancestry, or whether this doesn't mean something else.

That's what I was saying. I had misread your post. Check my previous post to Táltos.

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 09:55 PM
I take interest in him because I'm expecting Rajputs from my area to have similar results. Note the elevated East Eurasian and low Baloch. The Caucasus and NE Euro are in line too.

So, I would appreciate it if you could find out more about his ancestry like where his father and mother are originally from. Also, his Rajput clan and other relevant info if it's possible.

I will get in touch with him soon, and ask him to delve into it. I asked him before, but he wasn't sure. He needs to go ask the "elders". I am fairly certain his Father's side moved to Lahore from the Indian side of Punjab.

bol_nat
04-09-2016, 09:58 PM
mine
http://i.imgur.com/CWzkDnS.jpg

khanabadoshi
04-09-2016, 10:02 PM
If any of you contact DNA.land, could you get the list of the 40 populations they used? If you do, I'll actually go through the insane task of making a dendrogram out of all this. I could go through one by one and add populations as I see them in your results, but that is WAY too time-consuming -- even for me! :D

BalkanKiwi
04-09-2016, 10:03 PM
Mine (Top), Father (Bottom)

A good amount of North Slavic.

Darko
04-09-2016, 10:16 PM
http://nsa38.casimages.com/img/2016/04/10/mini_160410122036218465.png (http://www.casimages.com/i/160410122036218465.png.html)

AJL
04-09-2016, 10:18 PM
That's what I was saying. I had misread your post. Check my previous post to Táltos.

Ah okay, we're all on the same page then.

AJL
04-09-2016, 10:20 PM
No, just on the far end of it's southern spectrum. The component is found in all of the Italian south, in almost equal proportions btw -not only in Maltese & Sicilians.

But you find it in Egypt, Lebanon, etc., too.

bored
04-09-2016, 10:31 PM
Edit: I just remembered, his mother's family name is Butt/Bhatt.

That means she's an ethnic Kashmiri. That explains his high East Eurasian and low Baloch.

MitchellSince1893
04-09-2016, 10:43 PM
A good amount of North Slavic.

Neither my father nor I have any known Slavic ancestors. My guess is it's either Scandinavian or German

evon
04-09-2016, 10:56 PM
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8696&stc=1
So this one above is from 23andme (uploaded yesterday)
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8697&stc=1
And this one is build37 FTDNA, also uploaded yesterday.. what do you make of it?? since they differ...

One has to keep in mind that these are not written in stone, they are centric interpretations of DNA profiles, so one has to take it with a grain of salt always...But it is much better than the previous version, so it is going in the right direction, maybe this is as good as they can make it?

I have two profiles from 23andme v3 uploads and they are nearly the same, but they do differ in a few %, will try to upload a build 37 file from FTDNA,although it is from a 23andme V3 transfer file and post all three of them to see if they differ much...

Amerijoe
04-09-2016, 10:58 PM
Based on probabilities, this one played it safe


West Eurasian 100% North/central European 95%
Italian 2.7%
Ambiguous 2.2%

PureEvil
04-09-2016, 11:12 PM
Interesting that my North African is almost as high as my Southwestern European, you'd think that it could possibly be linked to the Southwestern Europe score but then you'd think that my Southwestern Europe score would be higher. I actually get around .3% North African and score some Iberian on 23andMe. The North African was interesting because I haven't seen it a lot and it appears on my speculative ancestry composition on 23andMe.

Not looking too much into it but I think that it's a step forward and I'd be interested in future updates to the Ancestry Report. That's just my two cents...

crossover
04-10-2016, 01:21 AM
I'm going to write to them as well. The Balkan I get is overboard. The samples they have for Eastern Europe have some but not all of the populations that the commercial companies use. They do mention this in their blog.

Maybe if they have Czech or Slovak, and Polish added it would help for me. 23andme also has those added to their Eastern Europe category, FTDNA has Slovak and Polish included in Eastern European.

i think some of the dna they assigned as being balkan from my grandpa is actually middle eastern or something like that.

MonkeyDLuffy
04-10-2016, 01:22 AM
That means she's an ethnic Kashmiri. That explains his high East Eurasian and low Baloch.

Does our lower baloch means some dardic connection as well? (It's obvious in your case)

Dr_McNinja
04-10-2016, 01:40 AM
Does our lower baloch means some dardic connection as well? (It's obvious in your case)

There just seems to be lower Baloch in general towards the Himalayas.

crossover
04-10-2016, 01:42 AM
here's my grandma's dna.land results(i uploaded her yesterday and haven't got find relatives results yet):
Southwestern European 29%
Sardinian 1.6%
Italian 4.8%
Balkan 3.4%
Mediterranean Islander 5.3%
Central Indoeuropean 4.2%
Finnish 1.6%
ambiguous west eurasian 1.3%
Native American 45%
West African 1.2%
East African 1.1%
Ambiguous 1.6%

bored
04-10-2016, 01:48 AM
There just seems to be lower Baloch in general towards the Himalayas.

Why do you think this is?

surbakhunWeesste
04-10-2016, 01:53 AM
There just seems to be lower Baloch in general towards the Himalayas.


Does our lower baloch means some dardic connection as well? (It's obvious in your case)

Doesn't make any sense! Mellifluous and VelvetNono both have some major dardic ancestry.

bored
04-10-2016, 02:00 AM
Doesn't make any sense! Mellifluous and VelvetNono both have some major dardic ancestry.

How so? Do they score high Baloch?

jesus
04-10-2016, 02:20 AM
Kalash and Burusho get +40% Baloch. doubt that lower Baloch ancestry = more dardic

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l87nGSIYTP-h7m-VKjB-BZcuEoWdz765nU4f_krOdd4/edit#gid=0

bol_nat
04-10-2016, 02:20 AM
With pleasure.

Lahori | Rajput/Kashmiri



Population



S-Indian
33.55


Baloch
36.11


Caucasian
10.90


NE-Euro
10.55


SE-Asian
-


Siberian
2.20


NE-Asian
2.41


Papuan
0.18


American
0.52


Beringian
0.22


Mediterranean
1.10


SW-Asian
2.02


San
-


E-African
0.23


Pygmy
-


W-African
-



Oracle



Single Population Sharing:



#
Population (source)
Distance


1
punjabi (harappa)
4.03


2
up-muslim (harappa)
4.09


3
kashmiri-pandit (reich)
4.4


4
punjabi-brahmin (harappa)
4.82


5
singapore-indian-c (sgvp)
5.08


6
kashmiri (harappa)
5.27


7
punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa)
5.6


8
kashmiri-pahari (harappa)
5.88


9
nepalese-a (xing)
5.94


10
punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa)
6.14


11
gujarati-muslim (harappa)
6.61


12
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
6.75


13
punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa)
7.07


14
up-brahmin (harappa)
7.89


15
sindhi (harappa)
8.49


16
punjabi-arain (xing)
8.84


17
haryana-jatt (harappa)
10.03


18
brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu)
10.13


19
bengali-brahmin (harappa)
10.24


20
bihari-muslim (harappa)
10.86



Mixed Mode Population Sharing:



#

Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance


1

64.7%
iyengar-brahmin (harappa)
+
35.3%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
1.84


2

68%
meghawal (reich)
+
32%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
1.88


3

64.9%
iyer-brahmin (harappa)
+
35.1%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.08


4

69.5%
gujarati-b (hapmap)
+
30.5%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.15


5

66.5%
brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu)
+
33.5%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.23


6

51.7%
bihari-muslim (harappa)
+
48.3%
pathan (hgdp)
@
2.28


7

66.9%
gujarati (harappa)
+
33.1%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.3


8

67.6%
kashmiri (harappa)
+
32.4%
brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu)
@
2.33


9

65.9%
tn-brahmin (xing)
+
34.1%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.34


10

81.4%
up-brahmin (harappa)
+
18.6%
turkmen (yunusbayev)
@
2.35


11

75.7%
nepalese-a (xing)
+
24.3%
bene-israel-jew (behar)
@
2.39


12

55.6%
up-kshatriya (metspalu)
+
44.4%
pashtun (harappa)
@
2.42


13

61.6%
kashmiri (harappa)
+
38.4%
up-brahmin (harappa)
@
2.42


14

71.6%
kashmiri (harappa)
+
28.4%
vaish (reich)
@
2.47


15

67.6%
maharashtrian (harappa)
+
32.4%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.49


16

68.2%
kashmiri (harappa)
+
31.8%
bengali-brahmin (harappa)
@
2.53


17

63.4%
ap-brahmin (xing)
+
36.6%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.55


18

57.1%
vaish (reich)
+
42.9%
pashtun (harappa)
@
2.57


19

68.7%
up-kshatriya (metspalu)
+
31.3%
tajik (yunusbayev)
@
2.59


20

53.2%
bengali-brahmin (harappa)
+
46.8%
pathan (hgdp)
@
2.61






4-Oracle



Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 punjabi @ 4.318586
2 up-muslim @ 4.345256
3 pushtikar-brahmin @ 4.745977
4 kashmiri-pandit @ 4.767620
5 punjabi-brahmin @ 5.192125
6 singapore-indian-c @ 5.528988
7 kashmiri @ 5.759641
8 rajasthani-brahmin @ 5.851104
9 punjabi-jatt-muslim @ 5.854557
10 nepali @ 5.873316
11 kashmiri-pahari @ 6.430741
12 nepalese-a @ 6.588254
13 punjabi-ramgarhia @ 6.737407
14 gujarati-muslim @ 7.158540
15 punjabi-khatri @ 7.335445
16 punjabi-jatt-sikh @ 7.708049
17 up-brahmin @ 8.671376
18 bihari-brahmin @ 9.101906
19 sindhi @ 9.346022
20 punjabi-arain @ 9.694581

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% bihari-muslim +50% pathan @ 2.433536


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% iyengar-brahmin +25% punjabi-khatri +25% tajik @ 1.565597


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 iyengar-brahmin + sindhi + srivastava + tajik @ 1.281085
2 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + naidu + pathan + tajik @ 1.354555
3 bhatia + naidu + tajik + up-brahmin @ 1.403303
4 bhatia + brahmin-uttar-pradesh + naidu + tajik @ 1.409900
5 iyer-brahmin + sindhi + srivastava + tajik @ 1.434418
6 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + sindhi + tajik + velama @ 1.481767
7 naidu + punjabi-brahmin + rajasthani-brahmin + tajik @ 1.486348
8 naidu + punjabi-ramgarhia + rajasthani-brahmin + tajik @ 1.491602
9 iyengar-brahmin + kanjar + pathan + tajik @ 1.502081
10 pathan + tajik + up-brahmin + vysya @ 1.506724
11 bhatia + piramalai-kallar + tajik + up-brahmin @ 1.510167
12 kashmiri-pahari + naidu + rajasthani-brahmin + tajik @ 1.514302
13 naidu + rajasthani-brahmin + singapore-indian-c + tajik @ 1.518678
14 naidu + pathan + tajik + up-brahmin @ 1.519050
15 ap-brahmin + sindhi + srivastava + tajik @ 1.524945
16 naidu + sindhi + tajik + up-brahmin @ 1.531212
17 naidu + punjabi-brahmin + punjabi-brahmin + tajik @ 1.533108
18 gujarati + sindhi + srivastava + tajik @ 1.537998
19 brahmin-tamil-nadu + sindhi + srivastava + tajik @ 1.543708
20 bhatia + brahmin-uttar-pradesh + kurumba + tajik @ 1.562670

Done.

Elapsed time 7.2004 seconds.




Figured I'd post the Multani as well:



Population



S-Indian
30.22


Baloch
36.94


Caucasian
13.04


NE-Euro
11.37


SE-Asian
-


Siberian
0.15


NE-Asian
1.94


Papuan
0.12


American
0.51


Beringian
2.02


Mediterranean
-


SW-Asian
3.27


San
0.23


E-African
-


Pygmy
0.17


W-African
-



Oracle


Single Population Sharing:



#
Population (source)
Distance


1
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
3.52


2
kashmiri (harappa)
4.17


3
punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa)
4.44


4
kashmiri-pandit (reich)
5.02


5
punjabi (harappa)
5.05


6
punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa)
5.65


7
sindhi (harappa)
5.67


8
punjabi-brahmin (harappa)
5.97


9
singapore-indian-c (sgvp)
6.56


10
up-muslim (harappa)
6.97


11
gujarati-muslim (harappa)
7


12
kashmiri-pahari (harappa)
7.41


13
punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa)
8.3


14
pathan (hgdp)
8.44


15
haryana-jatt (harappa)
8.8


16
punjabi-arain (xing)
8.85


17
nepalese-a (xing)
8.96


18
bhatia (harappa)
9.94


19
burusho (hgdp)
10.01


20
sindhi (hgdp)
10.61



Mixed Mode Population Sharing:



#

Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance


1

91%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
9%
nepalese-c (xing)
@
2.49


2

96%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
4%
nepalese-b (xing)
@
2.68


3

90.9%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
9.1%
bengali (harappa)
@
2.73


4

74.8%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
25.2%
up-muslim (harappa)
@
2.79


5

86.5%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
13.5%
bengali-brahmin (harappa)
@
2.8


6

95.1%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
4.9%
great-andamanese (reich)
@
2.81


7

80.2%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
19.8%
nepalese-a (xing)
@
2.83


8

87.6%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
12.4%
bihari-muslim (harappa)
@
2.86


9

95.9%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
4.1%
onge (reich)
@
2.88


10

92.1%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
7.9%
sri-lankan (harappa)
@
2.89


11

96.8%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
3.2%
paniya (chaubey)
@
2.89


12

96%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
4%
nihali (metspalu)
@
2.92


13

94.6%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
5.4%
chenchu (metspalu)
@
2.92


14

95.4%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
4.6%
ap-madiga (xing)
@
2.92


15

95.5%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
4.5%
hakkipikki (metspalu)
@
2.92


16

95.4%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
4.6%
gond (metspalu)
@
2.92


17

96.9%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
3.1%
garo (chaubey)
@
2.93


18

95.7%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
4.3%
sahariya (reich)
@
2.93


19

94.9%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
5.1%
satnami (reich)
@
2.93


20

92%
punjabi-khatri (harappa)
+
8%
caribbean-indian (harappa)
@
2.93





4-Oracle


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 punjabi-khatri @ 3.751675
2 kashmiri @ 4.412785
3 punjabi-jatt-muslim @ 4.648123
4 kashmiri-pandit @ 5.427153
5 punjabi @ 5.508748
6 pushtikar-brahmin @ 5.661816
7 punjabi-jatt-sikh @ 6.132775
8 sindhi @ 6.171604
9 punjabi-brahmin @ 6.529666
10 rajasthani-brahmin @ 6.754813
11 singapore-indian-c @ 7.195989
12 up-muslim @ 7.587230
13 gujarati-muslim @ 7.597478
14 kashmiri-pahari @ 8.127356
15 nepali @ 8.334551
16 punjabi-ramgarhia @ 9.101073
17 pathan @ 9.260007
18 haryana-jatt @ 9.595505
19 punjabi-arain @ 9.684348
20 nepalese-a @ 9.867036

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% pashtun +50% up-brahmin @ 3.130665


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% kerala-brahmin +25% nepalese-a +25% urkarah @ 2.546676


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 kerala-brahmin + pashtun + punjabi-khatri + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.480627
2 kerala-brahmin + kerala-brahmin + nepalese-a + urkarah @ 2.546676
3 pashtun + punjabi-khatri + punjabi-khatri + vaish @ 2.583451
4 kerala + pashtun + pathan + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.607134
5 pashtun + punjabi-khatri + sindhi + vaish @ 2.626581
6 pashtun + punjabi + punjabi-khatri + up-brahmin @ 2.640524
7 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + pashtun + punjabi-khatri + punjabi-khatri @ 2.646813
8 bihari-brahmin + kerala-brahmin + kerala-brahmin + urkarah @ 2.663394
9 pashtun + punjabi + punjabi + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.689375
10 bihari-muslim + pashtun + rajasthani-brahmin + sindhi @ 2.691935
11 gujarati-muslim + pashtun + punjabi-brahmin + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.693796
12 iyengar-brahmin + pashtun + pashtun + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.694191
13 pashtun + rajasthani-brahmin + sindhi + up-brahmin @ 2.699627
14 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + pashtun + punjabi-khatri + sindhi @ 2.708527
15 gujarati-muslim + pashtun + rajasthani-brahmin + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.714433
16 maharashtrian + pashtun + pathan + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.719115
17 brahmin-tamil-nadu + pashtun + pathan + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.735163
18 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + pashtun + rajasthani-brahmin + sindhi @ 2.739417
19 gujarati-muslim + punjabi-khatri + punjabi-khatri + rajasthani-brahmin @ 2.745880
20 kerala-brahmin + kerala-brahmin + singapore-indian-c + urkarah @ 2.746392

Done.

Elapsed time 9.4364 seconds.


result of half kashmiri and half punjabi awan with UP ancestry

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 38.68
2 S-Indian 35.23
3 Caucasian 10.16
4 NE-Euro 9.23
5 Siberian 2.32
6 American 1.37
7 SE-Asian 0.96
8 Papuan 0.85
9 Mediterranean 0.82
10 NE-Asian 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 3.38
2 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 3.59
3 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 3.69
4 punjabi (harappa) 3.7
5 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 3.82
6 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 4.33
7 up-muslim (harappa) 5.41
8 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 5.97
9 up-brahmin (harappa) 6.5
10 nepalese-a (xing) 6.51
11 kashmiri (harappa) 6.94
12 punjabi-arain (xing) 7.18
13 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 7.36
14 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 7.74
15 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 7.82
16 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 8.83
17 sindhi (harappa) 9.49
18 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 9.6
19 gujarati-b (hapmap) 9.87
20 bihari-muslim (harappa) 10.05

surbakhunWeesste
04-10-2016, 02:25 AM
How so? Do they score high Baloch?
This

Kalash and Burusho get +40% Baloch. doubt that lower Baloch ancestry = more dardic

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l87nGSIYTP-h7m-VKjB-BZcuEoWdz765nU4f_krOdd4/edit#gid=0
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VelvetNono and Barnacle get higher Baloch than the average afghan pashtun, Mellifluous gets similar baloch. The Eastern Afghanistan region has pashtunfied dardics.

bored
04-10-2016, 02:35 AM
Kalash and Burusho get +40% Baloch. doubt that lower Baloch ancestry = more dardic

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l87nGSIYTP-h7m-VKjB-BZcuEoWdz765nU4f_krOdd4/edit#gid=0

Well when you have higher East Eurasian, it's gotta come from somewhere. The component scores have to add up to 100 %. Apparently it comes from the Baloch component thereby lowering it slightly.

Dr_McNinja
04-10-2016, 02:43 AM
Why do you think this is?
One possibility is that the East Asian admixture in the region came from a source that had little to no Gedrosian. That could explain a swing of a few percentage points.

What's interesting is that the European HG (WHG/EHG) doesn't drop as sharply (compared to how Gedrosian goes up sharply as WHG/EHG sharply drops)... or if it already did, then that means those levels were at one time as high as Haryana.

Hard to know what came when.

Biloo
04-10-2016, 02:46 AM
My results
8706

Rukha
04-10-2016, 03:07 AM
http://i.imgur.com/713nw0s.png


Re-uploaded and got slightly different results. Higher Mid-Turkic this time, mine is probably related to Pamiris:

http://i.imgur.com/0gt5qCU.png

gruder
04-10-2016, 03:28 AM
Reuploaded mine again, the North Central Euro stays at around 92%-98%, Kalash stays at 1%-2%, and the rest differ from Ambiguous West Eurasian, Finnish, and Ambiguous (unknown). Has any other British Islander scored some Kalash? I read something last night about them being related to Macedonian people.

Kurd
04-10-2016, 03:32 AM
Results for Kurd C2 (Turkey-Iraq area). Interesting that none of the Turk members who posted show any Central Asia, whereas Kurd C2 from the same general area as the Turk members shows both Indo-Iranian and Kalash. Glancing over all the results posted it is quite clear to me that whatever methodology DNA land employs, the groupings are based on relatively recent genetic drift. Thus the question that comes up is why Kurd C2 is showing 13% Indo-Iranian and 4% Kalash, whereas the Turkish members from his general area show 0 for both.

Possible scenarios are geneflow specifically from Kurd ancestors to Baloch (Indo-European), and Kalash, or the reverse, namely from Baloch and Kalash into Kurd. Considering that any Kalash input from W Asia is likely a few thousand years old, and Kalash are extremely drifted, the former scenario of geneflow from Kurd into Kalash becomes less likely, since the groupings shown are likey based on much more recent genetic drift. Therefore, I find the latter scenario more plausible, namely a Kalash related splinter migrating west and conveying geneflow into Kurd ancestors. Kurd C2's Kalash affinity compared to others from his area is also apparent with other test such as dstats and IBS




Member
Ethnicity
CENTRAL ASIA
TOTAL






Indo-Iranian
Kalash
Indus Valley


Kurd C2
Kurd
13%
4%
0%
17%


Hanna
Turk
0%
0%
0%
0%


Xoor
Turk
0%
0%
0%
0%


Anabasis
Turk
0%
0%
0%
0%




KURD C2

http://i.imgur.com/DpCukQA.png

Helgenes50
04-10-2016, 03:41 AM
My mother's results
As Norman, I focus on the Finnish, 11% for her and 12% for me.

8707

jesus
04-10-2016, 03:41 AM
Results for Kurd C2 (Turkey-Iraq area). Interesting that none of the Turk members who posted show any Central Asia, whereas Kurd C2 from the same general area as the Turk members shows both Indo-Iranian and Kalash. Glancing over all the results posted it is quite clear to me that whatever methodology DNA land employs, the groupings are based on relatively recent genetic drift. Thus the question that comes up is why Kurd C2 is showing 13% Indo-Iranian and 4% Kalash, whereas the Turkish members from his general area show 0 for both.

Possible scenarios are geneflow specifically from Kurd ancestors to Baloch (Indo-European), and Kalash, or the reverse, namely from Baloch and Kalash into Kurd. Considering that any Kalash input from W Asia is likely a few thousand years old, and Kalash are extremely drifted, the former scenario of geneflow from Kurd into Kalash becomes less likely, since the groupings shown are likey based on much more recent genetic drift. Therefore, I find the latter scenario more plausible, namely a Kalash related splinter migrating west and conveying geneflow into Kurd ancestors. Kurd C2's Kalash affinity compared to others from his area is also apparent with other test such as dstats and IBS




Member
Ethnicity
CENTRAL ASIA
TOTAL


Indo-Iranian
Kalash
Indus Valley


Kurd C2
Kurd
13%
4%
0%
17%


Hanna
Turk
0%
0%
0%
0%


Xoor
Turk
0%
0%
0%
0%


Anabasis
Turk
0%
0%
0%
0%



KURD C2

http://i.imgur.com/DpCukQA.png

My sister gets some Indus valley too, we both get around 4% kalash.


Her results(south Euro is almost as similar to central IndoEuropean lol)

http://i.imgur.com/9WL5D5O.png


My results. Higher Indo Iranian, Med Islander, Arab/Egyptian than central Indo European


http://i.imgur.com/W3THzAo.png


Ancestryfan scored 9.3% Indus valley, he's usually very similar to the Iranian samples on GEDmatch. He also scored high Indo Iranian.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6860-DNA-land-update&p=149692&viewfull=1#post149692

MonkeyDLuffy
04-10-2016, 03:41 AM
There just seems to be lower Baloch in general towards the Himalayas.

The other tarkhans from that area score highest baloch among punjabis. That's why I'm confused.

jesus
04-10-2016, 03:53 AM
Other results from the same region just for comparison:

Kurd from Iraq
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/single/?p=1774835&t=5976706

Feyli(Ilam, Iran):

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/single/?p=1775169&t=5976706

Star93
04-10-2016, 04:43 AM
Boring :P

http://i64.tinypic.com/jzurkz.png

http://i63.tinypic.com/r6z3th.png

SwampThing27
04-10-2016, 05:00 AM
Another interesting note on mine is that I get no African at all, which I do get on every other calculator.

Helgenes50
04-10-2016, 05:24 AM
You inspired me to look at my DNA Land stuff.

8652

That "ambiguous" thing is "Ambiguous West Eurasian". Got more Finnish than I expected, but that explains my love of cold weather and big fir trees. ;)
Your Finnish is not surprising, this one is linked to those who have a Nordic ancestry.
One third of the British is supposed to be Anglo-Saxon, in this case german would be better. Your ancestry is Welsh, Scottish and Irish, your portion of german is probably more Scandinavian, i.e. here Finnish.

My Finnish is of 12% and my love is the same for big fir trees

Shaikorth
04-10-2016, 06:18 AM
Your Finnish is not surprising, this one is linked to those who have a Nordic ancestry.
One third of the British is supposed to be Anglo-Saxon, in this case german would be better. Your ancestry is Welsh, Scottish and Irish, your portion of german is probably more Scandinavian, i.e. here Finnish.

My Finnish is of 12% and my love is the same for big fir trees

North/Central Euro peaks in Irish and probably Welsh too. Scandinavians tend to be majority N/C Euro with NE-Euro of the Finnish type, if this is also seen in Normans it would be in concordance with history.

Afshar
04-10-2016, 06:44 AM
Was there no trick to upload multiple kits with a single emailmadress, cant find it.

icebreaker
04-10-2016, 07:35 AM
Father

MfA
04-10-2016, 07:39 AM
http://abload.de/img/themovementofgeneswegwjuvu.png

Reza
04-10-2016, 07:40 AM
8710

Seems fairly accurate in my case I'd say. Except the tiny percentage African...